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And if that didn't help, we are going to send about 4 billion packets onto the Internet. I have a new toy. It has 170 gigabits and permission to use it. I've never actually cackled before. You know, giggled a little, laughed, but... We're going to make some pretty pictures, because I like pretty pictures. You know why I like pretty pictures? Because I can show them to non-geeks, and they're like, holy crap, that is cool. I have no idea what it is, but it is cool. Usually it's just I have no idea what it is. It just ends there. And finally, you know, watch some TV. Attacking MD5. Instead of going through all the background, here is the web page for Lockheed Martin. Fun company. Some of you might have heard of it. Here is the web page for Boeing. Another fun company. You might have heard of it. Let's see what the hashes of these two pages... Let's see what the hashes of those two pages happen to be. C0F3AD. C0F3AD. These two web pages have the exact same hash. How could that have happened? Oh, I know you like the hash. I was wondering how you came up with that shit, man. Holy crap. Okay, I have to actually turn off my email client this time. I had people using their Blackberry on me the last time I did this talk. That was really annoying. So what is MD5 supposed to do? MD5 is supposed to be basically a data fingerprint. You know, you got some file, however big it happens to be. The end result is supposed to come down to 128-bit signature. The magic word is computationally infeasible to find two files with the same hash. Now, we've known since about, what was it, 96, 97? Bullshit. And, you know, about 2004, Zhang Yun Wang over in China said, Hell yeah, that's bullshit. Here's two files with the same hash. And you know what the response was from a lot of people? Yeah, there you have two hashes. But you could never use that for actual production data that had any kind of real-life meaning. Absolutely not. Okay, hype aside, I do actually try to have some technical data. So here's what the story is. MD5, it's pretty simple. You start out with some initial state. And they use magic numbers like pi and 6, 7, 8, 9, 1. You know, numbers decreasing, whatever. I'm too drunk to go 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. I've got a problem. More than that, I gotta drink. Oh, the way this works at my talks, I like questions. Ask a good one, and you get to drink. And if I can't answer, I have to drink. And, you know, if I'm not done drinking, well, that's the drinking game. So, MD5 basically is really simple. Start with some state. You loop over all your data, 512 bits at a time. And it shuffles that state. And at the end, you end up with some value. You mix in, like, the amount of data that you did, some metadata. And you end up with what's called the MD5 hash. Now, the idea is, anything's different in the input data. A single bit should cause half the output bits in the hash to change. Half. It's a big number. What we have here is a visualization of the internals of MD5. You know, we've got 64 sub-rounds and 3 rounds. Half of those things are supposed to be flickering. Now maybe you can't see the flicker. You see those little dots? There's supposed to be a hell of a lot more. But, you know, we've got the Chinese girl, so, you know, guess what? Almost none of them are different. You know, first round, second round. By the third round, nothing is different. That's this big advance of this, you know, this new MD5 attack. And what's interesting is, once you have two files with the same hash, because it operates 512 bits at a time, once you do end up at an alignment, you can add new stuff. And it's not like you can go back in time, back to earlier in the file and say, hey, wait, it was different earlier in the file. Because you're never supposed to have a collision, because that's what the whole point of a hash is. So in mathematical terms, if MD5 of X equals MD5 of Y, MD5 of X plus Q, that's going to equal MD5 of Y plus Q. So that means if we have two files with the same hash, we can append anything we want to it, including webpages. Funny thing about web browsers, who here has written a crappy webpage? Thank you! All of you who haven't raised your hands are fucking liars. Web browsers accept everything. That was one of the big advances. You can put a turd in your fucking webpage that's going to render something. And it turns out we can even put these two files that have the same hash. But not only do they render anything, oh, there's a programming environment, we got JavaScript. Speaking of turds... The browsers accept everything and they are programmable. So this is what we're going to do. By the way, GraphViz is the code to use all this. It's freaking cool. So what we do is we take some file. This is X, this is Y. These are our two files with the same hash. We are going to prepend our file with one of these. And we're going to put some extra crap on. Remember, we can put anything on and it will have the same hash. Where did my mouse go? Here we are. Here's the first webpage, Lockheed Martin. Here's the second page, Boeing. And now we have some JavaScript. Now the idea is that MD5 is blind because all this crap is Q. X, Y, all this crap is Q. MD5 is blind but we can put a program in that isn't. So the program goes back and goes, Ah, fuck, I was put on X. Okay, Lockheed. Hey, look, I was put on Y. Shows Boeing. And that's your output. And so that, in a nutshell, is how Lockheed Martin and Boeing can have the same MD5 hash. That was a lot of stuff that had nothing to do with packets. Okay, I better get back to this shit. I need to have my little segue that's all smooth and elite and whatnot. You know, we're talking about interpretation. Speaking of other things that have to do with fucked up interpretation, God damn, I really should not be doing this drunk. You bastards, you moved my talk up. Alright, yes, you put my talk at the same time it said in the schedule. IP fragmentation, and I quote, Fragmentation, an interesting early architectural error that shows how much experimentation was going on while IP was being designed. Quote by Paul Vixie, someone who I truly expected to kick my ass when I first met him, but it turns out he's about as fucked up as I am. Sweet. So, what is fragmentation all about? Well, IP packets can be like 65 kilobytes long. Okay, there is no physical network that can send a 65 kilobyte packet. Well, okay, none that's actually used in common usage. So, the idea behind IP fragmentation is we can take these ginormous packets and shrink them down into little chunks. Fragments. It's fairly straightforward. Why is this a problem? The whole idea with IP is that it's supposed to be stateless. You got a packet, you send it, you move the fuck on. With fragments, hey, you know, you can send fragments and not have to worry about it, but when you receive them, you have to store these things, because you get one fragment and later on you might get another and another and maybe you will and maybe you won't, but the point is you got to keep this stuff around in RAM. That's annoying. Not just as annoying, it's about 98. Tim Newsham and Tom Pacek actually showed, look, we can get around like every IDS out there by just doing strange games with our fragmentation. We have overlapping fragments. You know, this fragment says it has the same data as that one. Which one is going to be, you know, what is the correct interpretation? The RFCs are just like, fuck if I know. And then FragRouter comes out and is just like, no, really, we can kick your ass. Here, watch. And so this is like 98, 99. This is old shit, right? Look, IP has been picked clean. There's a reason I moved on to DNS. Because, like, layer 3 and 4 are done. So I thought. In the crypto realm, you know, I did all this stuff with OpenSSH, you know, we've been dealing with timing attacks lately. All this crypto is all vulnerable to, like, how long things take. And I'm thinking about this. I'm going, I wonder if I can apply timing stuff to IP. And it turns out, oh, yes. It turns out there's an IP fragment reassembly timer. It turns out that there's only a certain amount of time. Are you pointing at me? What are you pointing at me? Oh, now you're the middle finger. What is this shit? Oh, I'll take this opportunity. So speaking of pointing, there's all these shirts that have me pointing that say scanran motherfucker. And it's done by the TorCon sluts. Hey, you've got a new title. Would you rather be a goon? Should have had a better t-shirt. TorCon is absolutely rad. I've loved that con for years. And, you know, they have these shirts for me. So speaking of good questions, good questions get a shirt. And trashed off your ass. What? I can't be the only one. So, okay, look. IP fragment reassembly timer. Basically, these fragments come in. And we can't reassemble the packet because we don't have all of them. Eventually, the system gives up, right? Well, how long is it going to wait before it gives up? Well, it turns out we can fingerprint operating systems with that value. You know, some things will wait 30 seconds. Some things will wait two minutes. You know, boom, OS fingerprint. Ooh. But that's easy. That's cheap. Let's go ahead and do some more hardcore stuff. All right. What if you have an IDS? An IDS may very well have a different idea of how long a fragment can live before it just gives up on trying to reassemble it. In fact, this is actually true. Linux and FreeBSD have a 30-second timer. Snort's frag2 timer will wait 60 seconds. Now, if the timer was less, if the IDS was going to keep fragments around for less time, well, hell, you know, we just send fragments too slow for the IDS but fast enough for the host. But what if it's the other way around? What if the IDS, because it's all hardcore and, you know, it's going to keep things around for as long as it possibly can, what if the IDS keeps fragments around longer? Ooh. We can do some stuff. The problem is, it's keeping stuff around longer. How are we supposed to make the host see one thing and the IDS see another? Well, our problem is the IDS is keeping fragments around for too long. Our solution? Make the IDS drop our fragments. Well, that sounds really easy. How are we going to do that? Well, there are two ways a fragment leaves the reassembly queue. Either A, it times out, or B, it's reassembled against something. Hmm. I like that B. I like the idea that it's just going to work, but not the way it plans to. Watch this. Here's what we're going to do, right? Look. Take our payload. Up to 65 kilobytes. We are going to split it into a whole bunch of fragments. We're going to take the even-numbered fragments. We're going to make a copy of them. And we're going to fill those fragments' payload with noise. Absolute crap. And we're going to send this absolute crap. And you know what we're going to do? We're going to wait. So we send the crap. And the host has some crap. And the IDS has some crap. But you know what happens after 30 seconds? The host drops the crap. But the IDS, it likes the crap. It keeps it around. It thinks it might be useful. Oh, and indeed, it is useful. Because we go ahead and we send the odd-numbered fragments. And the odd-numbered fragments go to the host, and the host has nothing. So the host holds on to these odd-numbered fragments and says, Well, you know, gotta wait for some stuff in the future. IDS, no. IDS has been holding on to some crap. So the IDS has crappy even and good odd. It reassembles. It's like, what the hell is this? And it drops it on the floor. Ah, but now we send the legitimate even-numbered fragments. And the IDS, well, it already dropped all that stuff from before on the floor, so the IDS now has to keep it in its cache. But the host? Host has legitimate even. Host has legitimate odd. Host reassembles just fine. And then you win. And now my favorite line. It gets worse. Right now, we're giving the IDS crap. Well, IDSs are meant to look for crap. They might alarm. They might be worried. Is there a way we can, instead of giving it crap, can we make the IDS see something completely different? You know, like, the IDS sees a get slash, and the host sees a SQL injection attack? Ooh. Here's what we're going to do. Now, get slash has some headers, and the SQL injection attack has some headers, and it turns out a fair amount of these headers can be exactly the same. So what we're going to do is we're going to split our stuff into three packets. A common header, good stuff, and you're going to die. And what we do is the first thing we send is, you're going to die. No, no, excuse me. No, no. That's later. We're going to send the good stuff first. Good stuff goes first. You know why? Because I want the IDS to see some good stuff. I want to give it some happy, nice feelings. No problem. I would never attack you. So here's what we're going to do. So we send the good stuff, and we wait. And we wait long enough so the host goes, fuck this good stuff. It drops it. But the IDS still has it around, and we send the shared common header, and the IDS goes, I got the header, and it's nice, and I got the good stuff, and it's nice. So it assembles and says, hey, this guy just asked for a git slash. He's cool. But the host still has, at this point in time, where's the host at? The stuff in its header. Just the header packet, because it already dropped the good stuff. But it has the header, and now we give it the evil packet. And what happens when the header meets the evil packet? Reassembles a SQL injection exploit. You win. What's up? Quite a few. So, what about checksums? There's a problem. Our hosts may actually go ahead and, you know, SQL injections should not have the same checksum as git slash, right? I mean, there's 65,000 possibilities. Why would the things match up? Well, it turns out, there's this great book. It's called TCPIP Lean, by this guy, Jeremy Bentham. It's hardcore. I ain't saying it's hardcore. Like, the guy debugs Ethernet with an oscilloscope. That kind of hardcore. So, look. He's got this thing. He's dealing with hardware that doesn't have enough RAM to have an entire packet in RAM at the same time. Holy crap! So, he talks about how you do this stuff. He says, well, you know, your checksum. You don't want to have to go and go over all your data. How do we go ahead and stream out a packet and not have to worry about the checksums? Well, the idea is you put in the wrong checksum. But there's a funny thing about IP checksums. They're crap. They are. They really suck. They're just a one's compliment. They're just like adding numbers, right? So, there's a really funny thing you can do. At the end of your payload, you can be like, wow, I'm like 32,000 off from what my checksum should be. And so, you like, you know, add a little bit of a comment. Fix by 32,000. And it works. So, you just do that, and now you're going to have a constant checksum for different payloads. We can actually backport this attack to all the original mechanisms used by PatchEck and Nooshum and Song. And it turns out what we can do, and I haven't built this one yet because I really fucked up my arm. Be happy I'm here at all. But it turns out you could actually send a series of packets such that on Linux, they assemble into a Linux exploit. And on Windows, they assemble into a Windows exploit. And all because there's a whole bunch of different ways that IP stacks can reorganize data. And you could actually, and I haven't built this yet, and I'm fully honest, you could actually create a sequence of packets such that when they arrive on the host, the particular host being used will reassemble it into a way that is relevant for that host. And you don't even need to get any kind of feedback back. It's kind of cool. Now, hitting the brakes. There's a couple IPS vendors out there who are like, dude, you're full of crap. Because our stuff is going to see you, it's going to see these overlapping fragments, we're going to deal with you, and we're going to shut your session down. Shut my session down, that's not nice. And not only is it not nice, there's not a lot of people who are going to be able to do that. That's really unique. And... Some jackasses, actually. Complete and utter fucking jackasses. Alright, no, I'm kidding. Anyway. Look, there's a funny little thing that happens when you block a session. You send a bit of information. I blocked you, I stopped you, I got in your way, I'm telling you I'm here and I'm getting in your way. Yo, that's a fingerprint. It turns out that anytime an intrusion detection system or a firewall gets in your way, it has actually identified itself. Because there's about a million different ways that these things can go ahead. Do they block invalid checksums? Do they block invalid options? Do they block invalid ICMP types? How about HTTP? How about SQL injection? How about SQL injection of this type? How about invalid DNS packets? How about tipping point? Oh, you sent a TCP fragment out of order. We're going to drop you on the floor because we don't like RFCs. They're overrated. Or checkpoint. Oh, you're using DNSSEC. That's never going to be feasible. Point is, you can go ahead and identify pretty much every firewall and every intrusion protection system based on whether, in a given session, if you do something it doesn't like, if it kills your session. And it turns out you can find out the precise hop that the IDS and IPS is at by using Mike Schiffman's firewalk method. Which is basically, you go ahead and you send your nastiest off one hop before the firewall and then you send it one hop after. If your session dies one hop after, you know the hop where the firewall lives at. Hi, how you doing? Not that this is anything wildly new. This is a slide from like 2003. And it basically shows you how you detect a PIX firewall. And I'm not giving any details, but if anyone ever tells you it's ever impossible to remotely detect a firewall, dude, I've been doing it for like two years. So I can't say what that's in reference to, but you can always detect a firewall remotely. There's just too many different variations on how the protocol can be broken. So... IP shunning. Turns out, a bunch of intrusion protection systems, they are, they're acting all hardcore. You mess with them a little too much, they're going to block your IP entirely because they're like, well obviously your IP is evil. And, you know, it's not like anyone ever spoofs IP addresses. Lies about who they are. Oh, nobody ever does that. Let me tell you why it's a really bad idea to block traffic that comes from random IP addresses on the internet. Anyone ever type dig? You know, that whole like domain internet grouper DNS thing? Here's a couple hosts, you might have heard of them, they're called the root servers. If you can't talk to them, you're fucked. So like anyone who's running these IPS's is like, hello internet, here is my firewall rule set, would you like to submit new rules? By any chance, would you like to knock my stuff down? We'll talk after. It's like, seriously? Now, you know, I'm showing this stuff and yeah, you can knock out any of these networks by just like, you know, hi, I'm 128 810 90. I'm trying to slammer you. But oh, I can't stop here. I can't stop here, because it is too large scale, and more importantly, I thought it was all cool, but it's been whispered about for years. And you know, I can't go ahead and take full credit for something people have been talking about, so let's do a little bit more elegant attack. Again, it gets worse. I've been investigating DNS poisoning. I've been investigating a lot. Does anyone here know, oh, hang on, we'll deal with that later. But I've been investigating DNS poisoning quite a bit. Four billion packets, quite a bit. Is it possible, given these networks that implement automatic network shunning, to not just like, knock them off the network, but to poison their name servers, to go ahead and redirect traffic from their network arbitrarily? Oh, yeah. Well, there's a funny thing. I showed you before, we will block you from the name servers. And that's nice. But let's do worse. Let's block them from individual name servers. Not the root, but say, hey, large ISP, see that big bank all your customers go to? Yeah, we don't want them to do that. And how can you do that? Well, block the communication between the name server at the ISP and the name server at the bank. And there are two sides you can do the blocking. You can cause the ISP... God damn! Humberdink, I believe I am out. Hey, I drank everything that was there. I think you need a drink. So, there are, you can block at the ISP side, you can block at the bank side. Both ways. Humberdink, no. So, only if I really screw up. In which case, you are having a shot with me up here. So, general theme is to block communication between any two name servers. You can block at either the server or the client side. All right, let's say you spoof malicious traffic from the client network to the server network. So, say, the big bank no longer likes podunk ISP. All right? That means podunk ISP sending out requests and nothing's coming back. All right? You know, let's think about that for a second. We got about, assuming a fixed port, we'll talk about that in a second. We got about 65,000 possibilities for what the transaction ID is going to be. The transaction ID, of course, controls whether or not when I spoof a packet, it actually is going to get blindly accepted. Well, kind of funny, is usually it's called a race condition. I would have to get my fake reply back before the real reply comes back. But you know what happens when the intrusion protection systems are in place? Well, it's a race, but I took a bat and knocked out the other guy's kneecap, so he's not running anymore. So, I got about an average of 32,000 packets to do and instead of about 100 milliseconds, I can do it, like, about as long as I freaking want. Moral of the story, do not automatically shun IPs. But, you know, I can do the other side. I can also spoof malicious traffic from the server network to the client network. So, you know, use some podunk ISP and it's like, holy crap, the bank is trying to kill me! I paid my loan, man! Well, so, there's a little difference here, because you'd think if the ISP is no longer talking to the bank, well, you know, the ISP sends out the request and the reply comes back and the reply is blocked. But, if the reply, you know, you think, well, when I spoof stuff, it also has to be blocked, right? Funny thing about IP, there's no affinity. And by that I mean, IP addresses, you know, you can actually return a DNS, when you send out a DNS request, about 15% of the time some other guy replies. And it works. So that means, the legitimate host can't send you back replies, but the entire internet can be spoofing replies back. And they'll all work if their transaction ID is correct. Oops. Again, do not implement automated network shunning. But there are people who like it, and I'll go ahead and I'll say, okay, make sure you can talk to name servers, see if you can make it so your outbound communications override any automatic shunning. And, you know, again, do not touch name servers. But seriously, don't do this stuff. There's just 80 million ways that automatic shunning, you're giving, they're giving you guys access to their firewall table. What is wrong with these people? So don't do that. Go to the next slide. But what about complaint emails? You know, funny thing, you know, often they get assigned complaint emails and they negotiate and find out this stuff's going on. Well, funny thing happens when you block someone's name server. You can't send mail to that domain anymore. Oops. Now, what would I know about complaints? Well, when you send 4 billion IP packets, people can tend to notice. I've been working with these guys called Prolexic. And... God damn it. All right, look. So, basically, you know how you have these third-party spam filters? They get your mail and they send you the good stuff? These guys do that for IP. They announce your route and they take all the crap that you guys send and be like, that's a very nice 10 gig UDP flood. I'm going to filter that. These guys have just ridiculous amounts of extra bandwidth and they gave it to me. I've never actually been able to, like, I can't send packets faster than this network can route them. I feel like less of a man. I've been working with all sorts of cool people and, you know, I've been doing all sorts of stuff to be all legitimate. You know, don't do this at home. Your colo will die. I tried. It was out in an hour. You will get complaints and very scary people will be calling you personally and be like, what the hell are you doing? So seriously, I can't emphasize this enough. I'm doing this because there's a little problem with, you know, large scale network attackers having better intelligence on the network than I do. That's not cool. But yeah, don't do this at home. I've set up, you know, reverse lookups. I'm in Aaron. There's Dan Kaminski security research. How rad is that? Like abuse mails. Someone has hacked in your box. Dude, that's me. So yeah, you know, oh, best email is like, you know, thank you for your information. We will see you in Vegas. Like, oh, crap. Handcuffs. So, what do I want to do? I wanted to go ahead and find, you know, Google's taken out by some DNS poisoning attack. You know, who is actually hit by this thing? So, you know, we scan the world, the entire world, and we find somewhere between, we find actually 9 million name servers, but after the scan, only about 2.5 million of them would actually talk to me. Shit. Um, I needed to find, because it turns out you had to have a Microsoft server talking to a Windows server. No, excuse me, Microsoft server talking God damn it. Okay, the problem with this plan is, like, the more I drink, the more mistakes I'll make. Okay, so, I'm totally getting that ever clear. So, look, you have to have Windows servers who are linking to bind date servers. Fairly obscure situation, right? Um, okay. Well, how do we find that one server is linking to another? By linking, I mean, instead of going out and resolving it itself, it asks its buddy. How do we find these links? And, um, the way that I ended up using is basically to just ask everyone, hey, you know, hey you, go ahead, you know, what's your name? Your name's Bob? Go ahead and look up bob.madness.net and madness is a domain I own. If some guy named Charlie walks up to me, okay, I know Bob asked Charlie to look something up. So I know there's a link between those two domains and those name servers. That's how I did it. What were the end results? Um, well, we got about two and a half million verified name servers, meaning, um, they would still talk to me. And, uh, of those two and a half million, we used a tool called fpDNS, fingerprint DNS, and we fingerprinted every single one of them. Ooh, I got some emails out of that one. Ooh, crap. There are a lot of IDSs that are like, you tried to check version. How could you possibly do that? You know, your attack is detected by 100%. You know it without fail. Like, seriously, people did not like it. But you know what? We're dealing with security and, um, you know, we found about 230,000 hosts that are possibly broken, 13,000 that are definitely broken, and you know what? I'm going to be sending some emails. And we're going to get this problem dealt with. And incidentally, uh, scan was done in under a day. It's good to be the author of scanrand. I send packets fast. Fuck yeah. Oh, oh, who said that? Who said that? Oh. Hell yeah. Well, maybe not. Hey, someone get him that shirt. Um, I'm not replying. So look, kind of, uh, reversing the thing. Normally with an exploit, you're like, I've got this box. I wonder what it's vulnerable to. Reverse. Um, I wonder if someone fucked this up. Let's ask everyone. So I'm like, you know, I wonder, you know, there's these transaction IDs and if there's a known transaction ID, you can DNS spoof on demand. I wonder, is anyone using the same transaction ID when I make a request, when they go out to the outside world, does anyone use the same thing? Because that'd be really insecure. That'd be dumb. You'd have to be like, you know, one in a hundred thousand to be this dumb. But there's a funny thing that happens when you ask two and a half million people a question. You find the dumb ones. So there's like, uh, so we asked everyone with a fixed, you know, transaction ID. I had the data anyway. And we found about 110 hosts that are dumb. And of these 110 hosts, it's major vendors ADSL modem, so wow, look at all these networks I can completely own on demand. And the name server that I was using to host my own data. God dammit. In my defense, it was an old version, but oh yeah. So... Oh, fuck that. God dammit. Speaking of... You fucking assholes, I need to do the drinking game. Alright. I'm liking this. I may do all my talks smashed. Hello, sir. I'm drunk. I don't know how we never noticed this before. You know on TCP you can scan for servers? Well, UDP is a little different. There really is no difference between a client and a server. How did we not realize until 2005 that you can scan for client ports as well? Name servers very often have fixed ports that they send all their requests from. They use a single socket. And it turns out, you can scan for this client socket. You can find out who they're sending requests out to. And I'm like, well, what are these ports? I bet there's lots of servers that send out questions from a source port of 53. But you see, that's, I think, the nice thing about having ASLO to data is you can know. Let's look at the data. Oh, look at that. 823,000 times the source port was 32,768 on an outgoing request. And 195,000 times it was 32,769. And 54,000 times, oh, you're telling me on a large portion of the internet infrastructure I can monitor load levels on remote name servers? Sweet. So, um, yeah, you should be running a name server that actually buries its local port. Other stuff, there's like a 15 minute chunk of DNS poisoning things I can't tell you about. But holy crap, someone's up to some nasty shit. Wow. And I wasn't even looking for it. It just accidentally came back. Hey, by the way, we're spoofing these guys. You're what? And it turns out there's all these systems that automatically investigate what the hell you're doing when you are sending 4 billion packets, but when they investigate they have no idea that the investigation comes back to you. So I've got traffic from really, really dark networks where it's just like, hi, there's no one within the rest of my class A, but who are you? No, no, no, no, no. Who are you? So, um, as long as we're sending assloads of traffic, can we make some pretty pictures? Because, you know, people like that. And so I've actually generated a methodology that goes ahead and create maps all internet routes in about a couple hours. It's really, really fast. And, um, you know, rather than just like hype, I'll show you the raw data as it's collected. And before anyone from DEF CON has a heart attack, this scan is happening from the 170 gigabit pipe. So we go ahead, we go into it. Boom! Hi, internet, how are you doing? We're sending out about 20,000 packets a second right now. And, um, we're tracerouting in this massive, uncontrolled manner. And lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of hosts are talking to us. That's a mess, right? How are we going to filter it? Well, welcome to SQL. Fun little language, lets us organize things. Once we run this stupid little query, you know, show me what, you know, reorder this until it makes sense. Oh, look! On the way to 12.10.41.178, here's all of our hops. And here's hop one, hop two, hop three, hop four. What you were seeing before was wildly disordered, and now we have it in order. And how do we define that two things are linked? Well, if that number's three and that number's four, then 67, you know, this host is probably connected to this host. Mind you, we're scanning the internet over a range of like two hours, so this is actually kind of cool to see it in some degree of order. And, um, what does this crap look, well, hang on, what does this look like when we actually get it said and done? Finally, I get to show some pretty pictures. I know. I'm well aware. So this data's been around for a while, but, uh, being able to zoom in on it is kind of new. And, uh, being able to, like, tilt it down and, you know, raise it up and, like, fly around. Everyone, you know, Hollywood really wants someone to do this, so fine, here, I'm flying around the internet, ain't that rad? Now the eventual goal, and this will happen sometime in the next couple of months, yeah, I really broke my arm, um, but the goal is that we can go ahead and we can take live data and we can go ahead and plot it so this is all black and white and as you actually use the net, it goes, you're going over this path, you're going over this path, here's all the constraints and all that kind of stuff. And that's the kind of data I want to be able to, you know, collect. It turns out when you do this kind of large mapping, there's a couple things you can do extra, um, whenever, you know, we have to scan up to a certain range, if we actually find someone, you know, at the, you know, the farthest away possible, we can go back, fill in the gaps, um, we can actually go ahead and, you know, put out senders all over the internet and have all the reception happen at the same point, so we can say, here's how the net looks from China, here's how the net looks from Japan, here's how the net looks from Abu Dhabi, and all of it will come back to the same collector, and we can go ahead and we can integrate the data. Um, and the results look pretty cool, but there is, there is a weakness. Yeah, how are we going to make this useful? And beyond that, I don't want to have to do this big preprocessing phase, I would like to graph live data. How could I do that? Well, there's these guys, they wrote some code in C++, it makes my nose bleed, but it's really, really cool. It's really, really cool to the level of, like, it will handle, like, 2 million node networks and be like, huh, sweet, got more? It's really cool. It's called the Boost Graph Library. It's rad. And not only is it rad, but their developers are like, okay, we're going to support Dan. Like, sweet. They're getting, like, updates, like, here is your code, here are the answers to the test. Like, struggle with this stuff for, like, four days, send them a mail, here you go. Rad. So, what kind of stuff can we do now that we have, like, you know, real graph logical stuff? Let's see here. This is a router trace on a small network. That's a little dark, isn't it? We'll set the next one to be a little lighter. This is a fairly large-scale network. And, actually, this is a router trace. We're watching traffic. And it's actually animating out in front of us in real time. And we're watching, basically, nodes that aren't talking to anyone else. Here's a cluster right here that's just one server talking to lots of hosts. Here are servers that have a multi-tier relationship. This is all very early code written in the last week or two. But, ooh, it's pretty. And, um, the idea is you can actually, like, stream random data in. If I had any faith in the networks of these things, I could actually do live TCP dump with all interrelationships shown on that kind of map. And is this useful? Well, I haven't made a discovery on it. I took all my DNS interrelationship data and put it into that graph. And what did we find? Interestingly enough, oh, crap, there's a whole bunch of hosts that are all coming back to one that I expected. What I did not expect, and it'll take, actually, a few seconds for it to show up on this, but you'll just have to believe me. My expectation was that you would have, you know, lots and lots of hosts that actually went to one backend that talked to me. What you actually see is a pretty complex multi-tier relationship. One name server will talk to another name server, will talk to another name server, and will talk to another name server. This was something that I would not have expected. I actually don't know the layouts that create this, but having seen the data, having seen it visually, I could now build my systems around that assumption. The goal of all of this is that when I do mass internet scale scans, every time I send a packet, I can know the route that packet is going to probably take. I can know the routers it's probably going to go over. I can know what the bandwidth implications are. I can look at my pipe as a water hose. Not a hose, as a pipe of just high pressure water. And I can go ahead and build taps on that based on what the implications are on the underlying network. So I can say, here's a T1. Packets through there can only go at this rate. Here's an OC48. Packets on here can only go on this rate. And most interestingly, I can put monitors on every single router that I'm sending traffic through. And the moment those monitors, I call it canaries, you send five or ten packets a second to each router you expect to go through, as soon as these canaries stop responding, you know you killed them. So... I'm going to start killing canaries. Ain't that fun? And now the last thing. I have no idea if I've gone over, but I hope you guys have had fun. Who here was at my ATalk here last year? Hey, I haven't screwed up yet. So... You're wearing a power glove! How can I resist? Anyone got shot glasses? Can I get some shot glasses up here? What's your name? Patrick! Patrick, this is why I fucking come to DEF CON. Because people will get me really fucked up. Mind you, I've never had Everclear before. Hey, am I shying away from this? No, because I'm trashed. I am so fucked. Hey, I am drinking. Alright, we're here. You know what we're drinking to? We're drinking to TourCon. Probably my favorite small con in the world. It is just the shit. DEF CON is rad. TourCon is just... Hikari is awesome. Is Hikari even here? Dude! Fucking Hikari. Dude! Hey, wait, wait, wait. Do we have a third shot glass by any chance? Hikari, get the fuck up here. Here, you're drinking this shit. I'm drinking Everclear. You can drink the fucking Morgans. Just drink. Alright. To a great fucking con. You guys all rule. Thank you so much for coming here. It's actually working. Holy hell, I didn't think it would actually work. Alright, I'm putting audio out through the PC interface. This better work, guys. I'm warning you. Audio's coming any minute now. Oh, so I had to put on a huge cache on this thing because the Black Hat network was broken beyond all description. It was like wireless from like 20 feet away. Michael Flackley is the Lord of the Dance. Darth Vader is the Lord of the Sith. Okay, Robot Chicken is the best fucking show in the world. Robot Chicken rocks. And that's all about all I have for you fucking guys. Wow. So, just fucking come up here. I want people to hear your shit. Seriously, I really want people to come up and ask questions. Can I fucking have your babies? Dude, you're a guy. Seriously, someone came up with some auto-shunning question? Come on, come here. Alright, what you got, man? Do the IPSs that you're aware of, will they auto-shun their loopback interface? I had totally not thought of that. That would... I seem to have nothing to drink. You guys are falling down on the job. I bring you here for... What, you want me to drink? Okay. That's a really interesting question. Okay, so here's the idea, and this is fucked. This is really, really impressively fucked up. The idea is that you spoof a whole bunch of traffic to some network from the address 127.0.0.1, which is, of course, the loopback address on a host. Will the IPS actually block local host? Because if it does, all sorts of shit's going down. IPS vendors in this room, test. Like, now. Because there's, like, a thousand people who have the idea of testing it. Hey, you have your hand up. Get the fuck up here. No, no, come up. Come up. Seriously, come on up. There's, like, booze and books and, like, good shit and, like... God damn it. No, it's just a rebuttal to the earlier question is if you've got your router set up right, your edge router 127 shouldn't get in? If your edge router's automatic, already blocking 127.0.0.1, then, uh, of course, yeah, you're not going to go ahead and get nasty traffic. But, um, a lot of people have the attitude, well, I got an IPS. What do I need to put custom firewalls rules in for? The internet will be giving me firewall rules! Actually, honestly, probably a lot of IPSs already have blocks against 127 and have blocks against RFC 1918 space, but I'm sure there's one that doesn't because there's some really crappy IPSs out there. What's up? Hang on, hang on, hang on. You're trying to kick my ass, and so, of course, I have to give you the mic. What happens to overlapping segments, Dan? What do you mean, what happens to overlapping segments? What happens to the segments, uh, the timeout values if the segments are overlapping, Dan? Ah, yes, yes, yes, that's one of the things I pointed out. There are some very good... Okay. There are some relatively good IPSs because they're all shit, but there are some relatively good IPSs that will notice hey, look, this... They basically will go ahead and have their timing value for how long the fragment can live, but fragments have a particular IP ID associated with them, and there will be a separate timer, a much longer timer that notes, hey, I may have flushed this from my queue, but this is a fragment on a session from an old... This is an old... This is a fragment that could be applied to an old session. In other words, someone could be trying to mess with me. Hmm. Why would I try to be messing with anyone? Yeah, I guess they can bust me. Um, those... Those IPSs are really easy to fingerprint, and there is a problem in this industry. There are vulnerabilities in security code itself. I don't want to share that. I just want you to take a drink. Get ready to drink. Really, I am so screwed in TC Baby Drinking Game. Hey, come up here. Can I have your baby? Well, you definitely are a girl. New comment. Later. Come here. All the fragmenting stuff, does that work if they're filtering fragmented packets? No, it doesn't. But that's a problem because fragments are a legitimate part of the IP spec. They're actually... No, there's quite a few networks that are tunneled inside of tunnels, and they end up with much smaller... You know, in the multi-tunneling, end up with packets larger than the MTU because there's a lot of packets that will be sent with an MTU of 1500. So, fragmentation happens. It's supposed to be limited by TCP's MSS value, but sometimes it really does happen, and it does happen entirely legitimately. Now, small fragments, and this is very obscure, but small fragments at the beginning of a packet should not happen. And those things are legitimately dropped, and that's good. Go ahead. Because I've seen networks that do that. They filter out the fragmented packets. What are they missing out on? Is there anything interesting about them? Well, there's an interesting thing. A lot of people say, hey, I can drop 1% of traffic. No problem. It's just, you know, 1%. But you get, you know, this 1%, and this 1%, and this 1%, and suddenly, the internet doesn't work very well anymore. And that happens. And that's ultimately, you know, we have this thing called, like, congestion collapse, when there are too much, there's too much traffic that doesn't back off. There's another kind of collapse. It's firewall collapse, when there's too many overlapping rules from people who think, well, our one little variation on the IP spec is okay, and, you know, we're just going to do it, and, you know, who cares if we drop 1% of traffic, and then the internet no longer works. And, tipping point, I'm talking to you. I can't remember what the denial of service attack is. It's either New Dawn or Teardrop, where it's based on fragmented TCP packets. How would that work against an IPS? The fragmented packet, I dream about Ping of Death, maybe, where you have a packet that reassembles larger than the maximum IP size? Where the TCP packet reassembles and it's broken, and it causes various problems. At this point, you know, it's really sad. It's 2005, right? When the hell did Teardrop come out? Wasn't it, like, 97 or 98? Okay, so very well-known vendor, Netscreen, actually goes ahead and has, like, on their thing, we blocked this many Teardrop attacks. Dude, it's the 21st century. We aren't worried about that shit anymore. It doesn't work, even if it's unblocked. We're not running Windows 95. So, I don't know. I mean, Teardrop, I mean, it's a great brand. Oh, incidentally, you guys know how names are done in the virus industry? It's like, you know, they're all, like, named by the guys who find them. So, just like, you know, we're gonna call this attack Teardrop. We're gonna call this attack CodeRed, because, you know, hey, you know, they didn't, like, put a big brand copyright on it when they attacked our network, so we're gonna name it whatever gets us the most attention possible. And that's why they all have sexy names. Of course, there was a real problem when one of them named their thing Doxpar, because I do Doxpar research, and Doxpar caused me all sorts of problems, especially when the variant happened, Doxpar.A. You bastards. All right, other questions? What, hey, uh-oh. What do you think of the recent ICMP-based attacks? There's so much overh... So, it's really funny. Yes, you can kill ICMP sessions if you can figure out the four tuple of source IP, desk IP, source port, you totally can. But I went on Deja News, and I found a post from 1993 calling this shit old. Dear God. No, I mean, okay, the actual attacks are real, but old. To his credit, he's right, they still work, and they shouldn't. His stuff about slow... There's this guy, he has this stuff about slowing down networks. Why am I drinking? I was right. Okay, his stuff... Fuck. Funny guy. He should test his shit. He has this whole thing, well, I can slow down communication of BGP sessions. I can reduce a session down to one packet sent per round trip time. So, BGP sessions, I don't know if you guys know, they're about three kilobytes a second. Three kilobytes a second, okay. So, you reduce a session down to one packet per round trip time on a session that has somewhere between one millisecond and a tenth of a millisecond latency. Oh, no! I can only send a thousand to ten thousand packets a second on my three kilobyte a second link. No! It's ridiculous. Any other questions? Seriously, you don't even have to come up if I can somehow hear you. Says the guy from Prolexic. That took some balls. Here, have a book. Prolexic's been rad, by the way. I mean, seriously. They've been giving me shit tons of bandwidth and taking calls from DoD. Rad. Oh, shit, it's George. It's ScanRan motherfucker George. I hate you. So, I'm going to the T2 con out in Finland. Who here is from Europe? Dude, Euro guys, I'm coming out to you guys mostly. That's the plan. So, T2, I didn't intend to give them props, because TorCon is the shit, but yeah, T2 should be good. What? I didn't screw up! You drink! Hey, someone get these fuckers drinks. They need to be drunk so they'll shut up. I'm not drinking. No, stop. All right, do we have anything else? Because I should probably give this shit up to Hacker Jeopardy. OK, go ahead. You have a good question? No dude, hang on. I want this guy to ask a question. You said that one of your attacks is based on a difference between IDS timing and host timing. Well, in Linux and FreeBSD, isn't it possible, even in extreme situations, just to rebuild the stack so if you know your vendor in advance just to match Man gets a book. Man gets both books. That is an excellent point. Those of you who are very smart admins can go ahead, adapt your host to your shit ass IDS and make things align perfectly. Absolutely correct. Fantastic point. Are you advocating we break our host and match our IDS? Hey, I'm advocating we adapt our host to agree with our IDS's fucked up view of the universe. Thank you very much. Absolutely. What's up? And I think, unless there's any more questions, I think I am done here. You guys are fantastic! I love you guys! As a note, I talk at Black Hat as practice for you guys. You guys are awesome. I cannot even say thank you so much for all. Oh, there's one last thing that is really important that you all know. I have an insane network pipe and I'm taking proposals for how to use it. If you have an idea for what will help secure the internet, I will take the shit of spreading it everywhere. Talk to me! Don't do it yourself! No, not porn! You sick fuck! Especially for the kind of porn you want! Alright, I'm off to the drinking game where I will puke my guts out. Thank you."
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