1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,480 First, I'd like to thank you all for coming. 2 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,220 I'm Greg Conti. 3 00:00:13,220 --> 00:00:17,840 And I'd like to talk to you about the idea of denial of information attacks. 4 00:00:17,860 --> 00:00:23,080 And in one sentence, the idea is attacking humans through the computer system. 5 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:28,860 Not attacking the computer system, but attacking humans through their computer system, and how we can counteract that. 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,080 And here's one example. 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,860 Large shark. 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,860 Currently I'm at Georgia Tech, but I'm also in the Army. 9 00:00:36,860 --> 00:00:41,280 And I'm here as a free citizen, and not as a representative of the government. 10 00:00:47,780 --> 00:00:57,540 So, more specifically, denial of information attacks attack you, the human, and try and consume the limited resources that you have. 11 00:00:57,540 --> 00:01:07,280 If you contrast what you can handle versus what your computer can handle, in certain categories, you'll fall over far faster than your box will. 12 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:15,760 So, if it slows you down or alters your decision making, then that's a denial of information attack occurring. 13 00:01:16,420 --> 00:01:19,220 So, I think the best example is spam. 14 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:26,800 And I won't ask you, but just consider how many of you have deleted email based on, say, a subject line that you shouldn't have. 15 00:01:26,860 --> 00:01:30,360 Or you've opened email that you shouldn't have. 16 00:01:30,860 --> 00:01:36,320 And I know, when I talked to my wife about this, we thought it was probably... you guys are at the leading edge. 17 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:42,160 So, when spam first started coming out, you probably figured that out pretty quickly. 18 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:50,840 But who's received, and I'll ask for a show of hands, who has received a frantic email from a family member about some virus email that they received? 19 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:57,320 Or some, you know, if your local tech support for you or your family or friends, who's received emails like that? 20 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,500 Pretty much, you know, almost the whole room. 21 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,100 So, I think spam is an example. 22 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:05,540 I mean, consider how much time have you wasted on spam? 23 00:02:05,540 --> 00:02:08,220 And these are just examples. 24 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:13,200 So, what I'm trying to do to this problem is look at the bigger picture and look at the structure around it. 25 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:20,040 And then, how people are defending it and defenses to just add some structure to the domain. 26 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,780 I'll take one step back. 27 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,920 And there's some interesting statistics that just recently came out of the University of Indiana. 28 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:29,660 I'm sorry, Indiana University. 29 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,120 About phishing. 30 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:41,040 And what they did is they went to social networking sites like Orkut and found out who was friends with who. 31 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:48,700 Then they used that information to send out a phishing email to college students and they sent them out to 500 people. 32 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,720 But with the return address of a friend. 33 00:02:52,260 --> 00:02:55,140 The emails were just like, hey, check this site out. 34 00:02:55,140 --> 00:02:57,920 It gave a generic link off campus. 35 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:04,600 That link prompted them for their credentials or user ID and password from college. 36 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,900 And they were 72% successful. 37 00:03:08,860 --> 00:03:10,940 And the students were very mad. 38 00:03:10,940 --> 00:03:14,960 But there's some interesting statistics if you take a look at the gender. 39 00:03:15,420 --> 00:03:21,200 If a male sent an email to another male, only 53% of them fell for it. 40 00:03:22,340 --> 00:03:24,520 You can see where we're going here. 41 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:32,280 If a female sent an email to a male, it went up from 53% to 68%. 42 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,080 Female to female, 76%. 43 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,720 And then they live in a different world than I do. 44 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,640 But male to female, 78% of them fell for it. 45 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,620 So on average it was 72%. 46 00:03:47,620 --> 00:03:49,980 So male to female was the worst category. 47 00:03:49,980 --> 00:03:53,580 But I thought the real insight there was using that social networking information. 48 00:03:54,980 --> 00:03:58,560 So I don't want you to confuse this with denial of service attacks. 49 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:04,940 This is a recent innovation from a major operating system manufacturer. 50 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,440 They've evolved from the blue screen of death to the red screen of death. 51 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,160 This is from Longhorn. 52 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,960 I guess it's Vista these days. 53 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,960 Anyway, back to the... 54 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:24,460 It's not what you consider denial of service where you're consuming system resources, RAM, hard drive space, processing power. 55 00:04:24,460 --> 00:04:28,220 You're consuming the human's resources is the key difference. 56 00:04:29,340 --> 00:04:32,620 And it's compounded by the idea of information growth. 57 00:04:32,620 --> 00:04:37,220 If you look, information is being generated at a prodigious rate. 58 00:04:37,740 --> 00:04:40,000 This study is very, very good. 59 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,020 And I'd also like to mention I personally hate bullet slides, so I have very, very few in here. 60 00:04:45,020 --> 00:04:53,360 But on the slides on your disk, on the Con CD, I've included an extended version that has more information with links and things. 61 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,660 Anyway, I just wanted to highlight one of these. 62 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:02,280 This is a study coming out of Berkeley from 2003 entitled How Much Information? 63 00:05:02,460 --> 00:05:07,800 It's a very good study, except it's like 150 pages, which again is information overload. 64 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:14,160 But the surface web at that time, they estimated, was about 170 terabytes. 65 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,680 Or 17 times the U.S. 66 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,400 Library of Congress print collection. 67 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,120 So a tremendous amount of information in 2003. 68 00:05:25,420 --> 00:05:28,960 And that's just the surface web, not the dynamically generated web. 69 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:41,060 So we just talked about spam attacking primarily your cognitive decision making. 70 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,520 Well, there's other attacks that attack your perception. 71 00:05:44,940 --> 00:05:46,840 I had this on a web page. 72 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,780 How much work can you get done with that sitting on the web page blinking? 73 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:53,940 So that was on a real estate web page. 74 00:05:53,940 --> 00:05:57,720 I had to slide it off to the side to be able to get any work done. 75 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,200 And it just makes me mad. 76 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,960 What were they thinking? 77 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,200 Who's going to go out and buy coffee based on that? 78 00:06:04,820 --> 00:06:09,340 So we talked about cognitive resources and perceptual resources. 79 00:06:09,340 --> 00:06:10,960 Then we have motor resources. 80 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:18,400 And the idea then, if you go back to the denial of information attack, if you're slowing the human down, you're beginning to win. 81 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,500 If you're sending them in the wrong direction, you're beginning to win. 82 00:06:21,580 --> 00:06:23,880 Motor resource attacks often slow you down. 83 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:29,180 You have to stop what you're doing, grab the mouse, click the pop-up, get back to what you were doing. 84 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:42,100 And I thought this example from hack-proofing your network, again, gives an insight into the idea of the decision making by the human versus the decision making by the computer. 85 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:43,940 And I'll read it for those in the back. 86 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:52,740 In the end, all the power of the intrusion detection system is ultimately controlled by a single judgment call on whether or not to take action. 87 00:06:52,740 --> 00:06:58,140 So if you can get into that decision making cycle, you can affect major outcomes. 88 00:07:00,670 --> 00:07:04,110 I thought it was also relevant to look at information flows. 89 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:12,330 So if you consider signal being what you're looking for, if you're out on the web, for example, or in any information space, you're looking for certain information. 90 00:07:12,470 --> 00:07:13,930 That would be the signal. 91 00:07:14,270 --> 00:07:17,310 Noise would be everything but what you're looking for. 92 00:07:17,550 --> 00:07:23,870 So the best case would be signal is very high, and noise would be very low, so that's the best situation. 93 00:07:23,870 --> 00:07:27,130 So what you're trying to do is increase your signal-to-noise ratio. 94 00:07:28,270 --> 00:07:34,410 If you consider a small amount of signal and a small amount of noise, it's still manageable for a human. 95 00:07:34,410 --> 00:07:40,070 So you can look at this list of 10 things, and even if it's 50-50, you can still pick out what you're looking for. 96 00:07:40,110 --> 00:07:42,430 Some Google results are like that. 97 00:07:44,990 --> 00:07:48,210 But it starts getting worse when you have low signal-to-noise. 98 00:07:48,210 --> 00:07:56,210 And particularly, you have a lot of noise, a little bit of signal, what you're looking for, that's the domain of the denial-of-information attack. 99 00:07:57,910 --> 00:08:00,250 And then you start getting into denial-of-service. 100 00:08:00,250 --> 00:08:05,950 If you have lots and lots of information, then you start overcoming your computer's resources. 101 00:08:05,950 --> 00:08:08,250 So that's more the denial-of-service attack. 102 00:08:09,530 --> 00:08:12,970 So if you consider this webpage, and this is weather.com. 103 00:08:12,970 --> 00:08:17,310 I started going to specific news sites, and then I thought I'd get in trouble for whatever one I chose. 104 00:08:17,310 --> 00:08:18,990 So I thought weather would be safe. 105 00:08:19,150 --> 00:08:25,610 So if you went to this website to get something done, and I actually tried to do this to find out Las Vegas weather. 106 00:08:27,370 --> 00:08:29,670 Yeah, I mean hot and dry, what was I thinking? 107 00:08:31,570 --> 00:08:42,570 Anyway, say you came to this site, and putting your signal-to-noise ratio goggles on, and all you wanted was the United States weather and some basic weather information. 108 00:08:44,030 --> 00:08:46,030 All of that is noise. 109 00:08:46,030 --> 00:08:48,370 So just a tremendous amount. 110 00:08:48,370 --> 00:08:51,390 And I know there's some plug-ins for various browsers that help. 111 00:08:51,470 --> 00:08:56,170 But the idea, if you can just get down to the signal, it's a tremendously better experience. 112 00:08:57,630 --> 00:09:06,850 So besides the idea of the signal-to-noise ratio, and the keynote speaker at Black Hat was Gilman Louie, who also mentioned this. 113 00:09:07,170 --> 00:09:15,250 He is the CEO of In-Q-Tel, which I think is a CIA startup funding venture capital company. 114 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:16,250 I think it's pretty interesting. 115 00:09:17,850 --> 00:09:19,850 But anyway, he mentioned the OODA loop. 116 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:24,610 And the OODA loop was Observe, Orient, Decide, and Act. 117 00:09:24,610 --> 00:09:28,150 And it was developed by Colonel John Boyd, who was in the Air Force. 118 00:09:28,150 --> 00:09:33,030 And this came out in the 60s, about how fighter pilots make decisions. 119 00:09:33,170 --> 00:09:38,390 And if you could make your decisions faster than the other person, you could go through this cycle, then you win. 120 00:09:38,390 --> 00:09:49,330 So consider, if you're in a certain situation, you're even looking at a webpage or any, looking at logs, you have to observe the data, or even your email is probably the best example. 121 00:09:49,450 --> 00:09:57,930 You have to observe your email, and after you observe it and orient yourself to it, then you have to decide, what do I do? 122 00:09:58,330 --> 00:10:03,990 And if it's a puzzling subject line, you spend time, you're wasting time, you're slowing down this loop. 123 00:10:04,690 --> 00:10:11,910 And then after you do it, you have to act, and typically action requires some physical response, which is a motor response, which will slow it down. 124 00:10:11,910 --> 00:10:20,490 So if you're slowing your opponent's OODA loop down, again, you're conducting a successful attack. 125 00:10:20,490 --> 00:10:25,050 So you can have people go through cycles unnecessarily, or you can slow it down. 126 00:10:27,470 --> 00:10:33,310 So, with that in mind, Observe, Orient, Decide, and Act, let's look at the webpage again. 127 00:10:34,470 --> 00:10:51,390 And this time, if your task was to just find out your local weather, which isn't available, and it took me a while, so you observe this, and orient yourself to it, and find out where do you type it in, where do you get your local weather. 128 00:10:52,370 --> 00:10:54,950 So think how long it would take. 129 00:10:55,310 --> 00:10:57,850 Well, it turns out, it's there. 130 00:10:57,850 --> 00:11:00,030 Everything else is noise for the task at hand. 131 00:11:00,030 --> 00:11:02,510 So you've slowed the person down as they go through that. 132 00:11:02,510 --> 00:11:06,810 And granted, they've got business reasons for doing so, they want to show you ads. 133 00:11:08,650 --> 00:11:12,110 Some of the news websites are the worst offenders of all. 134 00:11:13,730 --> 00:11:22,050 Okay, so moving forward, let's look at then, you've seen some of these examples, big examples, let's look at how people are defending against these type of attacks. 135 00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:31,230 And I spent about, oh jeez, three years of my life reading Slashdot every day, looking for denial of information attacks in the news. 136 00:11:31,230 --> 00:11:33,610 And certain trends came out of it. 137 00:11:33,610 --> 00:11:36,250 And clearly, there were legal responses. 138 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:41,150 And you can consider the anti-telemarketer legislation, for example. 139 00:11:41,450 --> 00:11:43,150 As well as regulatory. 140 00:11:43,310 --> 00:11:54,500 There were moral responses, public relation campaigns, from the Motion Picture Association of America, for example, like you'll put our employees out of their jobs if you pirate movies. 141 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,580 And I was particularly intrigued by the use of violence. 142 00:12:01,580 --> 00:12:08,340 Violence is, if people are receiving information they don't want, violence has been a proven countermeasure in certain instances. 143 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:20,520 And I was particularly intrigued by the, let's see, Charles Bauer, Charles Bauer case, where he received one spam too many, and snapped, and started sending death threats back to the spammers. 144 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:22,840 And he was arrested for his troubles. 145 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:32,440 So, I want to take a harder look at, alright, you've got these limited resources, how do they all interplay? 146 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,120 So, this is you. 147 00:12:35,220 --> 00:12:44,840 And I've modeled it, and it's hard, many of you may not be able to see it, but those boxes represent your cognitive capability, short-term memory, long-term memory. 148 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,260 And that's you in the red square, talking to your computer. 149 00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:56,740 So, the arrows you see between that, actually, along this boundary, that's your vision, your hearing, your speech, and your motor. 150 00:12:56,740 --> 00:13:05,680 So, the input-output through your computer, which also has a limited amount of resources, CPU, RAM, hard drive space, and IO. 151 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:13,180 And it communicates, so you're the information consumer, you're consuming information from information producers. 152 00:13:13,180 --> 00:13:18,240 And you need to pull that information in, say from websites, over some sort of communication channel. 153 00:13:19,980 --> 00:13:23,020 Those are servers out there providing you the information. 154 00:13:23,060 --> 00:13:26,600 They too have limited resources. 155 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,380 And often there's a human sitting there, you know, the spammer hits the send button. 156 00:13:31,380 --> 00:13:34,440 But they could be things like unattended machines, like sensors. 157 00:13:36,300 --> 00:13:40,760 So, if you take a closer look, then, you can see where these attacks take place. 158 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:51,160 For example, if you use very small text, like in legal agreements, in EULAs, you will... that's attack against the vision of the recipient. 159 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,740 Spoofing the browser, you know, some of the phishing attacks that have taken place occur along that HCI boundary. 160 00:13:57,740 --> 00:14:01,060 And I just found this useful to get a feel for where these things are occurring. 161 00:14:01,380 --> 00:14:04,640 To look at where attacks are taking place. 162 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,900 Maybe where new attacks could take place. 163 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:10,180 As well as where some defenses could be put up. 164 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,880 So, if you look at defenses, there's a... 165 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,900 the HCI boundary between you and your computer. 166 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:19,480 There's been a move forward in the notion of usable security. 167 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:24,260 Like security actually people can... it gives them the information they need. 168 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:32,080 TCP damping on the communication channel will slow down even if a certain number of email exceed a given threshold. 169 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,800 They'll slow down the network pace. 170 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,680 And I believe that's actually... there's some penalties in capture the flag on that front. 171 00:14:40,660 --> 00:14:44,640 Or pushing... most of these push the problem back to the attacker. 172 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,260 So you see computational puzzle solving. 173 00:14:47,260 --> 00:14:54,280 Attack requires... if you want to send this email, for example, requires a small amount of CPU space on the attacker. 174 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:00,680 And I'm particularly intrigued by Paul Graham's idea of the Eliza spam responder. 175 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,640 And who's heard of that idea for spam in Eliza? 176 00:15:04,740 --> 00:15:05,800 Okay, good. 177 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:14,000 The idea is Eliza's early straightforward artificial intelligence program that was designed to be like a psychologist. 178 00:15:14,940 --> 00:15:17,200 So the idea then is you have a... 179 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,800 listening on a given port or email address. 180 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:21,540 The email comes in. 181 00:15:21,540 --> 00:15:29,300 If they can craft it in such a way that the spammer buys the response and people all across the internet do that, we win. 182 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:31,100 So it's a pretty intriguing idea. 183 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:34,160 And it shows you, again, denial of information, how little resources... 184 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:42,920 the spammer is relying on economies of scale, 10 million email to press of a button. 185 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,020 If you can, you know, 1% of those people eat up a little bit of time, you've won. 186 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,980 So I thought this was Slashdot. 187 00:15:51,980 --> 00:15:53,000 I love Slashdot. 188 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,640 It's like this high of mind and there's always interesting insights. 189 00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:05,400 So from Slashdot on this subject, I have a little PHP script that I use whenever I get a phishing email. 190 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:12,400 The script generates fake credit card numbers and expiration dates and repeatedly hits the sites... 191 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,620 the phishing sites form dumping in random information. 192 00:16:16,780 --> 00:16:24,140 Any halfway intelligent phisher would record the IP address and just dump all of mine when he saw they were bogus. 193 00:16:24,380 --> 00:16:28,000 But it makes me feel good that I at least wasted some of his time. 194 00:16:28,340 --> 00:16:30,080 So again, you know, you push that back. 195 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,900 If a lot of people did... and I'm not encouraging... 196 00:16:31,900 --> 00:16:33,760 I don't want to get drug off in shackles. 197 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,880 But it is intriguing, the idea of pushing the problem back to the spammer. 198 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,200 So I've looked at this... 199 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,400 well, honestly, entirely too much, this problem. 200 00:16:45,420 --> 00:16:51,100 But I have... there are several papers on it that are on my website that I'll give you the link at the end and it's on the CD. 201 00:16:51,360 --> 00:17:02,400 But if you're interested, you know, on any of the papers, on the website that are like pre-publication, you can send me an email and I'll send you a private copy for review or something like that. 202 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,700 And most of the others are available if you're interested in more. 203 00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:07,660 I just tried to hit some highlights I thought you'd find entertaining. 204 00:17:08,980 --> 00:17:14,300 So given that big problem, I wanted to look at a specific domain. 205 00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:16,480 And there are a lot of people working in spam. 206 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,120 So I've looked specifically at network security. 207 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:28,980 And in particular, the idea of using information visualization as a way to deal with that problem of denial of information attacks. 208 00:17:28,980 --> 00:17:40,380 Because there's this battle and you see it during Capture the Flag of hiding your activities from the human who's monitoring the system or the intrusion detection systems or the defenders. 209 00:17:40,380 --> 00:17:43,320 So I was looking at information visualization to do that. 210 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:57,160 So I came up with a tool that's a PVR and it monitors network traffic and will load historical data sets and provides different specially crafted windows to hopefully provide you insight. 211 00:17:58,060 --> 00:18:08,300 At Interzone, I had a friend who said they thought they might have to change the rules of Capture the Flag if all of a sudden you could see network activity in useful ways. 212 00:18:08,300 --> 00:18:09,180 So that's the idea. 213 00:18:09,180 --> 00:18:11,900 I mean, the space we're in, everything's one-upmanship. 214 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:16,080 So I thought, okay, we have these windows and that's useful. 215 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,580 Well, how can we attack them? 216 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:32,000 Kind of take it one step forward and look at how can we look at the traffic in ways that are useful, then take it another step and say, okay, knowing how we all think, okay, this is in place, this is cool, how can we attack it? 217 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:41,600 So this is what the tool looked like and this is just a quick snapshot and it's using the Microsoft Virtual Desktop to show a few different panes at the same time. 218 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,120 I'll demo this at the end. 219 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:53,040 Okay, so last year at DEF CON, I gave a talk on a related subject and the first question was, how do we attack it? 220 00:18:53,220 --> 00:18:58,940 So combined with my interest and your interest, I thought it would be an interesting space to look at. 221 00:18:59,140 --> 00:19:02,400 And you'll find in academia, not many... 222 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,640 I mean, if you're not in the security field, generally you're not in the security field. 223 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:12,020 So you can make a lot of progress just by looking at their stuff and breaking it for them. 224 00:19:12,420 --> 00:19:13,400 It's pretty fun. 225 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,080 So that led to the work on malicious visualizations. 226 00:19:18,580 --> 00:19:26,180 And then the idea was attacking the human through their computer, through their system that presents information to them in some way. 227 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:33,260 So ideally, you can understand how these attacks occur, then you can design better ways to protect yourself. 228 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,700 Ah, I was motivated by Pokemon. 229 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,580 Now I know at a normal academic conference, people wouldn't know the answer to this. 230 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:48,740 But why was I motivated about Pokemon as far as attacking people through information technology? 231 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,280 Seizures. 232 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,940 Okay, very good. 233 00:19:52,940 --> 00:20:05,460 In the late 1990s, there was a specific Pokemon episode that had rapid flashing red lights in 20 to 30 hertz. 234 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:12,740 Well, it turns out that people who have photosensitive epilepsy, that's just the right frequency to trigger a seizure. 235 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:23,120 And reports vary, but thousands of people went to the hospital with nausea, and several hundred went to the hospital because of seizures. 236 00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:26,140 So it got me thinking about reaching... 237 00:20:26,140 --> 00:20:33,660 I know that's a very specific case, but I think the prevalence in the US population is about 2% through the lifetime for epilepsy. 238 00:20:34,020 --> 00:20:36,060 So it's non-zero. 239 00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:40,360 But it got me thinking about attacking people through computers. 240 00:20:41,660 --> 00:20:43,640 But then I wanted to be realistic. 241 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,620 So, yeah, I mean, you just want theoretic attacks that never occur. 242 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:58,960 I wanted to look at, well, where can you really insert information into what people see, and how can that little bit of information impact a lot of information, or the display of the information. 243 00:20:59,580 --> 00:21:01,380 So I made some assumptions. 244 00:21:01,580 --> 00:21:08,200 I'm not dossing the system, I'm just adding a little bit of information, trying to skew the results as much as possible and trick people. 245 00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:20,120 As well as, in some cases, I think it's reasonable to assume you could alter the timing of the data, particularly if you had access to the sensor or something, or the network, somewhere in between, you might be able to slow it down. 246 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,140 But I really focused on adding a little bit of information. 247 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:29,140 And I did not assume that you'd compromise their computer and you'd have full access to the database to do whatever you want with it. 248 00:21:29,140 --> 00:21:31,540 I wanted some places where you could really do it. 249 00:21:33,180 --> 00:21:37,720 So, you know, network traffic is where I spent most of my time. 250 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:39,700 Particularly in this area. 251 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,800 Because, I mean, clearly you can spoof packets, you can inject things. 252 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,400 I mean, you're constrained in some ways by protocols or upstream network devices. 253 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,080 But still, the network, you can insert information pretty much at random. 254 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,580 As well as some of these other domains. 255 00:21:53,580 --> 00:21:58,580 Any place where you can insert some amount of information, then there can be a problem. 256 00:22:01,340 --> 00:22:11,100 So, going back to the model, I assumed that anywhere in that space, along the communication channel, or the information producer, could insert a little bit of information. 257 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,560 And then the timing attack would occur. 258 00:22:14,580 --> 00:22:20,040 Even on the sensor itself, but I was looking more at the network in between. 259 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,440 So how do these things manifest themselves? 260 00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:32,940 I looked at all the different places where they could manifest themselves, but I've chosen some highlights here I think would be best just to show you the idea. 261 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,340 So I focused on your computer. 262 00:22:35,340 --> 00:22:45,060 How people can send a little bit of malicious information to your computer so that it will present you a lot of malicious information in a visual display. 263 00:22:47,060 --> 00:22:52,500 So what really got me thinking is just some tools, and this is a $10,000 visualization tool. 264 00:22:52,500 --> 00:22:56,120 It labels things, only puts 20 labels on the display. 265 00:22:56,120 --> 00:23:01,800 So if you hit a threshold above 20 labels, labels start disappearing. 266 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:15,040 So I thought, if you can exceed limits of the program, then you're gaining ground, you're slowing people down, they may miss what you want them to miss, or see what you want them to see. 267 00:23:15,580 --> 00:23:27,600 And even better in displaying information, oftentimes labeling algorithms are used, and you can see here that it doesn't take much to start filling up a display with labels. 268 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,500 And, you know, it dropped out here, and they're not even sorted in this one. 269 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:34,720 So perhaps just a little bit, you can start hitting the threshold. 270 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:52,300 And even better, I think, is you see auto-scaling algorithms, where this graphic, the left-hand side, shows ports on external computers that are talking, and on the right-hand side are ports on your computer. 271 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:56,840 So it connects the dots between one to the other, what port to what port. 272 00:23:57,420 --> 00:24:08,400 And if you look at the little detail, you have a great deal, that was the initial display, it was like 1 to 135, but this tool auto-scaled. 273 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,820 So initially, I saw exactly what I wanted to see. 274 00:24:11,820 --> 00:24:19,460 I winged one packet to a high port, it auto-scaled it, reduced all that relevant information down to one pixel. 275 00:24:19,580 --> 00:24:25,840 So then you have to waste time, grab the mouse, zoom in, zoom out, just by winging one packet high. 276 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:30,120 Now you may think this is just arbitrary, but you see this in real life. 277 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:36,720 This is a very common web log analysis program. 278 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:46,240 So here, and this is from the Netty at Home project, you see a spike of activity, and actually this was a site being slashed out. 279 00:24:46,240 --> 00:25:05,780 So yes, it's more akin to the Nile service attack, but it does illustrate that you can impact, I mean, web logs, you can enter information in, I mean, you probably send ASCII art into web logs, if you are so inclined, but that input in the logs, and then you can alter how the information is displayed. 280 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:11,300 So you see that on the day of the slash dotting, it flat-lined everything else. 281 00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:12,980 So, you know, everything else is gone. 282 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:20,080 Also, this is the spinning cube of potential doom, which you may have heard about. 283 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:27,220 And the idea is it shows network flows in 3D space. 284 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:43,600 And in the foreground, though, if you look at how information is rounded down, then this is a whole class B network mapped to the 2 to the 16th bits, mapped along about 500 or 800 pixels. 285 00:25:43,860 --> 00:25:55,740 And the entire internet is on the green line, so you are mapping 2 to the 32nd, more or less, along the vertical axis, so you are losing a great deal of information. 286 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,580 And then the Z axis, blue, they are mapping the target port. 287 00:26:00,660 --> 00:26:17,680 And it turns out that an attacker, if you are using this to watch your network, the attacker would be able to operate with tens of thousands of degrees of freedom as far as destination port, destination IP, and source IP, and illuminate only a single pixel. 288 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,800 So again, looking at the scaling in place is significant. 289 00:26:22,780 --> 00:26:29,320 And of course, just using a little bit, you put something on the screen, it is easy often to put something on top of it. 290 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,600 Some types are more susceptible than others. 291 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,600 As well as just inserting some random noise or carefully crafted noise. 292 00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:49,240 So how do you protect people, how do you protect your users from small amounts of information having a major impact on what they see? 293 00:26:49,240 --> 00:27:02,720 Well, the first thing, and there is no cure-all, in systems where there is some degree of authentication, then that is better than no authentication, or limited where you just basically have to click on an email to verify your identity or something. 294 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:10,800 And I think it is not appropriate, for you, I am just telling you, for entertainment purposes, this next one. 295 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,940 I am telling the other people this line because they need to do it. 296 00:27:16,180 --> 00:27:20,020 That you need to design systems with malicious data in mind. 297 00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:26,080 Often times they live in a utopian world in design systems where they just think only happy data will arrive. 298 00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:44,640 But to design systems with malicious data, as well as to train users to be alert for them, and you train people not to give away their passwords over the phone or whatever, that you train users to be aware of the weaknesses, as well as to allow them to customize the system. 299 00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:47,980 So again, there is more on this. 300 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,900 This paper is on your CD, if you are interested in some more detail. 301 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,040 And as well on the CD, I have got some other links you can go to for more information. 302 00:28:02,220 --> 00:28:03,100 One moment... 303 00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:27,430 So this is a tool I released at Black Hat. 304 00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:29,790 And the idea is it is a network PVR. 305 00:28:29,910 --> 00:28:35,550 And each of these windows, each of these black squares is a thumbnail that shows you your network traffic. 306 00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:47,660 So let me go ahead and load a packet capture data set. 307 00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:51,760 And this data set is a packet capture from HoneyNet Scan of the Month. 308 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,760 And you can see it is loading the packets. 309 00:28:54,420 --> 00:28:56,240 And there is 3,300 packets. 310 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,620 So this is what I was working on. 311 00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:59,200 Remember, I am going back to what I said before. 312 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:06,000 I wanted to build tools that would raise the bar on how visible attacks are to the people watching the networks. 313 00:29:06,140 --> 00:29:09,640 Then I wanted to take a further step and look at, well, how could that be subverted? 314 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,300 So I will point you toward my Black Hat slides. 315 00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:16,720 And I will be posting those in a little while where it goes into more detail on how this works. 316 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,920 But I will give you a quick tour. 317 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,560 And this is also on your CD. 318 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,100 The idea is there are different views that show you your data. 319 00:29:29,620 --> 00:29:30,720 Most straightforward. 320 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,260 And they all operate in tandem. 321 00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:35,360 So what you see in one occurs in another. 322 00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:41,540 So if we play it, you start seeing the data, different views are all operating in lockstep. 323 00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:44,620 So the most straightforward one is showing you the text in the packets. 324 00:29:44,620 --> 00:29:46,100 This is a text view. 325 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:54,180 It will go and show you the hex view as well as a decimal view. 326 00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:59,360 But anyway, things like it has the strings command built in. 327 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:06,420 So you can filter just for the text, strings of a given length in the packets. 328 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,500 This view shows one packet per line. 329 00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:22,460 And you can see it illuminates the pixel on that line if that hex value exists. 330 00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:27,280 So for example, in this region here, that's the printable ASCII range. 331 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:34,720 So if I hover over it, you can see that that's a B, a J, and so on. 332 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,580 So you can see the characteristics of it. 333 00:30:38,660 --> 00:30:41,560 It will also do the frequency of the bytes per packet. 334 00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:44,020 And you can set a threshold 335 00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:48,770 for that. 336 00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:55,290 Anything above a certain threshold will be hot, so we can move the threshold down until we start finding the tipping point. 337 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,560 It looks relative to each packet in that case. 338 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:04,700 I don't pad anything. 339 00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:10,510 Yeah, this is very straightforward. 340 00:31:10,510 --> 00:31:11,690 It's kind of like an initial step. 341 00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:17,730 I mean, there's all sorts of entropy algorithms I could use to do all sorts of cool things with this type of view. 342 00:31:20,430 --> 00:31:26,850 You can see the bytes occurring in each packet, but changing with a regular consistency so you can look at the slope. 343 00:31:28,290 --> 00:31:31,150 So that's the byte frequency view. 344 00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:34,250 I think you'll find this one particularly entertaining. 345 00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:39,930 This is called a parallel coordinate plot, and essentially you're connecting the dots on these axes. 346 00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:48,070 Where I'm going with it is it's connecting the dots between every header field that's possible. 347 00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:48,830 That's my goal. 348 00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:50,770 I've got 17 fields in it now. 349 00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:59,690 So if I go like this, it shows the fields. 350 00:31:59,950 --> 00:32:00,610 Keep going. 351 00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:08,790 The idea, then, is you can go through one at a time and see each packet and see its values for every header field. 352 00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:11,850 Or you can play it. 353 00:32:13,270 --> 00:32:17,410 And what you see growing on the right, that's the IP identification field. 354 00:32:17,410 --> 00:32:20,130 You can see the distribution of packets . 355 00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:28,930 And the idea, then, is you can take 5,000 packets, roll them through this, and at least watch them unfold and get a feel for what happens. 356 00:32:28,930 --> 00:32:31,970 So you can see random activity for a given field. 357 00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:33,990 You can see sequential activity. 358 00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:38,490 You can see things that don't change, things that change a lot, and so on. 359 00:32:40,150 --> 00:32:43,150 I'm going for a whole model of interaction here, like a mixing board 360 00:32:52,060 --> 00:32:52,760 Let me open this tool. 361 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,000 Let me show you one or two more windows and then I'll show you how to attack it. 362 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,600 They're using it for capture the flag, too, to show the network, on occasion. 363 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,260 So you can have some fun. 364 00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:06,360 This is more of a matrix view. 365 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:16,080 It does have some uses other than just looking cool, but we're kind of tight for time and I don't want to blather on about it. 366 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:25,420 But this is one packet per line and it's showing you the bits if the pixel is on, if there's a one on the wire. 367 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:27,380 So you can see different types of packets. 368 00:33:27,660 --> 00:33:35,860 And you can see at a glance the length of the packet, as well as I've played around with such things as, well, show me the printable ASCII values in there. 369 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,280 So when I do that, it greys out everything that's not printable ASCII. 370 00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:41,660 And this is, the blue is printable ASCII. 371 00:33:41,660 --> 00:33:46,600 So you can see at a glance what packets, after you've filtered things, contain printable ASCII. 372 00:33:47,260 --> 00:33:50,560 I've also played around with the idea of no-ops. 373 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:56,040 I like the idea of disassembling code on the fly. 374 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:11,220 Looking at things as if they are executables and perhaps you as an analyst, if it's color-coded by common opcodes or something, will be able to look at the flow or the packets and say, that looks like an executable going across the wire and it's not supposed to be there. 375 00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:15,900 Perhaps you'll see something your intrusion detection systems or anomaly detection systems won't. 376 00:34:23,650 --> 00:34:28,290 And the final one, and this is the final zone for networks. 377 00:34:28,870 --> 00:34:30,890 It's connecting the dots between any fields. 378 00:34:30,890 --> 00:34:49,750 I don't know if you can quite see it in the back, but it's connecting the dots and then pixels fly off and slide off the screen based on what, and this is showing source IP to destination port, TCP port, but as it happens, they fly off the screen. 379 00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:52,610 So you can see a variety of activities. 380 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:55,390 And the way it's set up is you can compare anything to anything. 381 00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:58,670 You can look at combinations that might be of use to you. 382 00:34:59,250 --> 00:35:06,950 And if you have the different windows open, all at the same time, running lockstep, you might be able to find things you wouldn't be able to find using today's tools. 383 00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:08,810 So anyway, this is on your CD. 384 00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:14,270 I'd encourage you, and I'll give you the link to go to the website where you can download the latest version. 385 00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:16,110 I made a little bit of a fix. 386 00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:19,130 It crashes on a certain header condition. 387 00:35:20,290 --> 00:35:22,970 But I'll post that when I get back from DEF CON. 388 00:35:23,850 --> 00:35:25,230 Anyway, going back to the topic. 389 00:35:26,530 --> 00:35:28,290 And I thought, how can I attack it? 390 00:35:33,010 --> 00:35:34,930 So let's look at some basic attacks. 391 00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:40,890 It really doesn't take much to bring down a visualization system if you're so inclined. 392 00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:49,770 So I showed you what normal looked like. 393 00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:53,570 Something odd happened here. 394 00:35:59,010 --> 00:36:01,510 So let's go ahead and see what the attack looked like. 395 00:36:07,050 --> 00:36:09,030 Now this is only 203 packets. 396 00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:20,670 So if you were displaying information, looking at a data set, watching capture the flag, I'm using random IPs, and we're only at 30, and it's already becoming crowded. 397 00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:24,550 And look what's going on on the UDP. 398 00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:27,570 This is color-coded, so orange is UDP traffic. 399 00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:30,930 You can see that it's filling up the display pretty quickly. 400 00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:35,470 With only 180 packets, it's already a windshield wiper effect. 401 00:36:35,470 --> 00:36:38,290 Well, as it turns out, you don't need to hit every single port. 402 00:36:40,590 --> 00:36:41,790 You can see how it's scaled. 403 00:36:41,970 --> 00:36:49,370 So I only need to hit every 60th port with a packet to draw the line and create that solid effect. 404 00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:54,210 So let's look at another example that totally melts it down. 405 00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:28,660 So again, just a small amount of information can generate a lot of noise for the human. 406 00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:37,250 So this is 1,300 packets. 407 00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:39,990 This is pretty much a nuclear meltdown. 408 00:37:40,270 --> 00:37:43,490 Now you can change the speed as well, so I'll change the speed to max. 409 00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:47,250 And look what's happened on the IP address space. 410 00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:59,850 But you can also see what I haven't messed with, so perhaps something is constant and maybe they have a consistent time to live or something that you can grab ahold of and create a filter to counter this. 411 00:38:00,490 --> 00:38:07,690 So again, I tried to create the tool and then think about how it would be attacked and then how we can defend and it never ends, but I think this is worth looking at. 412 00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:09,430 So that's a meltdown. 413 00:38:10,510 --> 00:38:12,310 There are other interesting uses. 414 00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:14,830 Who saw the talk at Black Hat? 415 00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:18,130 Okay, if you saw the talk at Black Hat, don't give this away. 416 00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:19,670 But there are other interesting uses. 417 00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:29,840 So this is 600 packets. 418 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:38,780 And if you look at it, say, in the parallel coordinate plot display, you can get the 600 packets. 419 00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:41,280 You can look and see a quick overview of what happened. 420 00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:45,770 Okay. 421 00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:48,070 And again, you can run through them. 422 00:38:48,850 --> 00:38:55,730 Well, it really just looks like a lot of source ports were in use, but other than that, not the same IPs were used. 423 00:38:57,930 --> 00:39:00,310 So let's play it again, though, with a different view. 424 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:14,140 So if we look at the frequency of the packets, then, you notice odd clouds of packets, of groupings of bytes. 425 00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:21,960 Then if we look at it as a rainfall, remember, this is one packet per line. 426 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:28,600 And the way this is, it takes each byte on the wire, maps it to a pixel, is a grayscale. 427 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,540 So you can see the rainfall effect of the bytes on the wire is grayscale. 428 00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:50,810 It's have I or could you? 429 00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:57,230 Right now, the idea is that there's a degree of flexibility built in. 430 00:39:57,230 --> 00:40:00,790 The question was, how much can I change the mapping of colors? 431 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,020 Well, the extent as it stands, there's no technical reason you couldn't do that. 432 00:40:12,020 --> 00:40:15,400 As far as what it's coded, I have filters built in. 433 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,600 Right now, they're straightforward. 434 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:23,280 I want to go to greater complexity, but they'll filter certain streams of TCP, UDP, ICMP. 435 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,140 And you can change the colors by clicking on there, and that'll change it. 436 00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:29,940 But the degree of customizability isn't there yet. 437 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,200 But it's certain there's no technical reason that couldn't occur. 438 00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:44,580 So just to wrap up, again, on your CD, you've got the talk slides. 439 00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:47,780 The roommate tool itself is on the CD. 440 00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:51,800 The malicious visualization paper is on the CD. 441 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,060 And there's a hacker convention article I want to point you toward. 442 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:02,220 Because I know some of you have difficulty explaining why it's of value to come here. 443 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,820 Or is it just me? 444 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:05,460 Right? 445 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:16,740 So I was able to get into the communications of the ACM, which is like the Professional Computer Society's lead journal on why computer sciences should attend hacker conventions. 446 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,820 So hopefully, we can change some perceptions out there. 447 00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:25,680 And you can wave this around in front of your husband, wife, or boss. 448 00:41:25,940 --> 00:41:27,380 Or parent. 449 00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:31,760 And that's on the CD as well. 450 00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:39,640 I'm looking for anyone who could give me feedback on the tool. 451 00:41:40,580 --> 00:41:42,220 It's at roommate.org. 452 00:41:42,220 --> 00:41:43,720 Again, it's there. 453 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:45,200 It's on your CD as well. 454 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:47,640 I'm in school, and I'm trying to graduate. 455 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,640 So I need feedback to make it better. 456 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,900 And right now, I've got a two-page, five-minute survey. 457 00:41:52,940 --> 00:42:01,580 If anybody would be kind and see Julian, I'd be permanently indebted to you if you could take five minutes of your time and fill that out. 458 00:42:01,580 --> 00:42:02,320 It would help. 459 00:42:02,740 --> 00:42:10,660 And basically, if you're an Ethereal user I'd love to see some quick questions on how can people mess with your minds if you are using that tool. 460 00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:11,660 Or how they happen. 461 00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:16,840 Lots of people to thank. 462 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,500 I've been iterating through this in small groups. 463 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,720 And I've gotten a lot of feedback from a lot of people. 464 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,480 So too many to thank at one time. 465 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,760 Finally, I wanted to end with... 466 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,400 I've had a good experience at Georgia Tech. 467 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,880 A very positive experience. 468 00:42:31,060 --> 00:42:32,100 And I've enjoyed the... 469 00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:36,440 They've got an undergrad and grad or master's and PhD programs in InfoSec. 470 00:42:36,460 --> 00:42:42,020 So if you're interested in that you can send me an email and I'd be happy to answer your questions or point you to someone who could. 471 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,580 As well as they're looking to partner with industry. 472 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,320 Again, this is part of my business case for coming out here. 473 00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:50,760 They're looking to partner with industry and government. 474 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,920 So if you're looking to kind of like outsourced R&D, they're very much up for that. 475 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,100 And the website or I could point you to more information. 476 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,520 Yes. 477 00:43:10,030 --> 00:43:13,230 The website is outdated as of now. 478 00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:14,810 So I wanted to release it at Black Hat. 479 00:43:14,810 --> 00:43:18,550 So when I get back, the version on the CD is like 1.7 something. 480 00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:22,130 And I have 1.8 something that I will release as soon as I get back. 481 00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:23,250 It'll function. 482 00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:25,470 It's IP header length. 483 00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:28,330 If it's not 5, it'll crash. 484 00:43:29,350 --> 00:43:30,790 Which is 5 is the normal value. 485 00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:33,990 But if you get other things, then it'll crash. 486 00:43:35,490 --> 00:43:36,410 This is a sample file. 487 00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:38,670 And a key point is it doesn't load PCAP natively. 488 00:43:38,670 --> 00:43:41,970 So I have a little conversion tool that converts it to the file format. 489 00:43:41,970 --> 00:43:43,770 So the tool's on the CD. 490 00:43:43,770 --> 00:43:44,990 It runs on XP. 491 00:43:45,310 --> 00:43:49,690 And I have a sample data file on there for you to take a look at and play with. 492 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,080 Yes. 493 00:43:59,780 --> 00:44:00,800 I have not. 494 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,440 But I don't see any reason why not. 495 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:10,660 I mean, I want to show like the picture of what it looked like or whatever with the PCAP file and the file format for my tool. 496 00:44:11,580 --> 00:44:13,120 I mean, they're not sensitive or anything. 497 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,840 So yeah, absolutely, I want to share them. 498 00:44:15,260 --> 00:44:16,120 But I haven't. 499 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,920 It's one of those things like the week I get back, I'll be working that. 500 00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:26,550 Well, I'd like to thank you all for coming. 501 00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:27,930 Julian's in the yellow shirt. 502 00:44:28,210 --> 00:44:37,050 If any of you could fill out the survey, if you've worked with Ethereal and always wondered how you can mess with people through it or work with Snort, I would appreciate it. 503 00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:38,810 And if anybody's interested, I'll be outside. 504 00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:39,150 Thank you.