[00:09.590 --> 00:19.580]  about to be. First and foremost, who left their cell phone here? Free phone calls for me.
[00:21.180 --> 00:25.300]  Okay, I'm going to do a quick introduction. I'm Agent X, aka Jesse Krems. I'm the president
[00:25.300 --> 00:29.760]  and co-founder of the Hacker Foundation. And let me talk to you about some of the people
[00:29.760 --> 00:38.580]  that are here. This is Jim Schuyler. He's from, he's our operative in Uganda right now. This is
[00:38.580 --> 00:45.840]  Nick Farr. He's our accountant and registered CPA. Or he's working on it very hard. That's
[00:45.840 --> 00:49.720]  uh, Fraser Cunningham. You've probably seen him around, aka Null Tone. He's our secretary
[00:49.720 --> 00:56.140]  and I think I just outed him. Uh, that's Locke. Can I use a real name? Okay, that's Stephen
[00:56.140 --> 01:06.600]  Kirk. He runs all the networks here at DEF CON. You got Wi-Fi? It's because you got Locke.
[01:07.080 --> 01:19.440]  This man right here, he works for, uh, I, no, that's not Louise. That's Christian. I'm just
[01:19.440 --> 01:24.160]  going to give this cell phone to some guy. So, uh, and then that's Jennifer at the end and that
[01:24.160 --> 01:28.020]  man in between who I haven't talked to a lot. Uh, he's going to be talking about one of our
[01:28.020 --> 01:34.660]  projects in Chicago. And this man bringing me water here is Code24, who's a stalwart friend.
[01:34.660 --> 01:41.920]  Thank you very much. So here's our quick history of the Hacker Foundation, um, and where we've
[01:41.920 --> 01:51.660]  been and where we're going kind of thing. In a, in 1996, Major Malfunction, one of the head
[01:51.660 --> 01:55.680]  speaker goons, or one of the head goons, and who's currently speaking another track and can't
[01:55.680 --> 02:00.800]  be here, went to Sarajevo to set up a BBS, uh, to help the people that were trapped in their
[02:00.800 --> 02:06.120]  apartments by snipers. A BBS in a war-torn area is a pretty useful tool because, you know,
[02:06.120 --> 02:09.720]  you need to know where you can get water, where you can get, you know, it's safe to travel and
[02:09.720 --> 02:14.400]  so on and so forth. He's the one in the middle. Uh, and so he, he told me about this, uh, prior
[02:14.400 --> 02:19.760]  to DEFCON 9. It's been rattling around in my head. I'm like, whoa, that's so cool. Flying to
[02:19.760 --> 02:25.960]  war-torn areas. Set up network equipment. Yeah! So the, um, so that rattled around in my head
[02:25.960 --> 02:30.140]  and I thought about that for a while. And then Nick and I were attending bar over at Caesar's
[02:30.140 --> 02:34.820]  one night and I, this is how I met Nick and he was, he was helping me out and I was like, wow,
[02:34.820 --> 02:39.420]  Nick's a really cool guy. He's really on it and he's way more organized than me. And the next
[02:39.420 --> 02:46.720]  day we were up on top of the, uh, Alexis Park playing with one of Uncle Iris' sat phones. The,
[02:46.720 --> 02:54.240]  um, and, uh, so the, uh, and we were talking about that and we thought this was a great tool.
[02:54.240 --> 03:04.100]  It's really awesome. The, um, the, uh, wait a second. Cue it for me. So we were playing with
[03:04.100 --> 03:06.700]  the satellite equipment. We thought this was really awesome. We were like, what could we do
[03:06.700 --> 03:10.200]  with this? And we were thinking about something called Medici Sans Frontier at the time. Doctors
[03:10.200 --> 03:17.160]  without borders. And Nick was like, yeah, hackers without borders. That won't scare anyone. Um,
[03:17.160 --> 03:20.600]  and so we kind of toned it down a little at that time and we decided to call it Hackers for
[03:20.600 --> 03:24.520]  Humanity. And we talked about it a little and that was about where we left it. And then at
[03:24.520 --> 03:31.920]  Defcon 10, uh, I sent out a mailing to DC forums and we got a bunch of people together. He's one
[03:31.920 --> 03:36.580]  of them. To, uh, talk about what Hackers for Humanity is going to be. What it, you know, what
[03:36.580 --> 03:41.560]  this means. Um, and we went over to Metro Pizza which has these huge white paper tablecloths
[03:41.560 --> 03:46.300]  and ideas were flying just fast and furious about what Hackers for Humanity should be.
[03:46.300 --> 03:50.800]  Should be this, should be that. We really came out of this meeting with two things. Or three
[03:50.800 --> 03:57.100]  things. A long possible list of activities. A lot of energy. And Priest said something that
[03:57.100 --> 04:02.240]  was really important. Which was, if you want to make it real, you got to make it formal. So,
[04:02.240 --> 04:08.700]  uh, we started to do that. Uh, Nick and I, before Defcon 11, exchanged boatloads of email
[04:08.700 --> 04:13.100]  talking about what Hackers for Humanity should be and how we could help all these people.
[04:14.380 --> 04:19.860]  Yeah. And it was like, oh, this is really confusing. Totally nuts. So what we did was we,
[04:19.860 --> 04:24.520]  um, we kind of came up with this idea of a Hacker Foundation. And that's a overarching
[04:24.520 --> 04:30.280]  organization. It's an umbrella for all other activities that you want to do. And we call
[04:30.280 --> 04:37.580]  these activities projects. Yeah, so we're that kind of umbrella. Um, and then, so we get
[04:37.580 --> 04:41.640]  together, Defcon 11, we talk, and then immediately afterward, uh, Nick goes back to
[04:41.640 --> 04:47.760]  California and files the paperwork to make us a California benefit corporation. Uh, public
[04:47.760 --> 04:51.320]  benefit corporation in California. This is really important. This is the state level exempt
[04:51.320 --> 04:58.400]  status. And then we go, okay, this is great. We get that, we file that in August. We get
[04:58.400 --> 05:03.620]  that on Christmas of 2003. Christmas Eve to be specific. A nice little gift from the
[05:03.620 --> 05:09.040]  government. Well, that's a long time. That's just an idea about how slow this bureaucracy
[05:09.040 --> 05:15.420]  moves. And then we decide, okay, we're going to go for the big kahuna. 501c3 status, tax
[05:15.420 --> 05:21.760]  exempt, federal government, our friends, the IRS. Yeah, they're actually really great. Um,
[05:21.760 --> 05:25.900]  because they're like, yeah, we can do that for you. So we file our paperwork with them
[05:25.900 --> 05:31.500]  shortly before our first presentation at Defcon 12. And at Defcon 12, we kind of gave a
[05:31.500 --> 05:35.600]  lot of people a little 20 minute TurboTalk hint about what we were going to be doing and
[05:35.600 --> 05:43.100]  where we were at, which was in waiting mode. Shortly thereafter, we, uh, we got our
[05:43.100 --> 05:49.100]  paperwork. It's in process. In April, we get a call back from the IRS. Yeah, that's a fair
[05:49.100 --> 05:53.860]  ways off. It's like 10 months roughly after we filed our paperwork before we heard from
[05:53.860 --> 05:57.860]  them. And they had some questions about us and they talked to us about, you know, we had
[05:57.860 --> 06:01.540]  some very idealistic ideas about what our goals should be. And, you know, we thought it
[06:01.540 --> 06:06.520]  would be really easy. You know, we'd, we'd get all this money from Cisco. Um, we'd get all
[06:06.520 --> 06:10.140]  this money from everybody and we'd get networking equipment. We'd load it on a plane. We'd
[06:10.140 --> 06:15.700]  fly to some godforsaken place that needs help. We'd help them and then we'd be back by, you
[06:15.700 --> 06:20.520]  know, Friday afternoon for beer. I mean, come on, that's what every NGO and non-profit
[06:20.520 --> 06:25.120]  agency does, right? Well, it's not that sexy. And Nick's going to talk about not that sexy
[06:25.560 --> 06:42.980]  for me. Um. Thanks Jesse. Um, one of the things the IRS asked us to do when they sent a
[06:42.980 --> 06:48.400]  letter back in response to our initial application was outline, uh, some of the things
[06:48.400 --> 06:52.880]  we're going to do. There, the tax law here is very specific. Um, there are very certain
[06:52.880 --> 06:57.260]  things that you can do. There's structures for churches, structures for schools. Um, and
[06:57.260 --> 07:01.860]  what we want to do is we want to be the non-profit organization for the community. Uh,
[07:01.860 --> 07:05.740]  coming up in the speech a little bit later, you're going to hear a lot about, um, some
[07:05.740 --> 07:10.000]  really exciting projects, things going on in Uganda, things going on in Chicago. And
[07:10.000 --> 07:14.940]  Fraser's going to do a little brief about how we want to get you involved, um, and how we'd
[07:14.940 --> 07:19.820]  like to give your projects, um, a little bit of legitimacy in terms of federal tax law to
[07:19.820 --> 07:25.360]  be able to offer, uh, tax deductible status for donations that people give to your products,
[07:25.360 --> 07:30.980]  projects. Uh, the first goal that we have, of course, to get the ball rolling, and we've
[07:30.980 --> 07:34.500]  started doing it at StepCon, is to raise money. Over the past year, the Hacker Foundation
[07:35.020 --> 07:39.340]  has been running largely through the generosity of the people on our board, the directors,
[07:39.340 --> 07:44.800]  the people who are here from day one. Um, and raising money is hard. You know, when we
[07:44.800 --> 07:48.680]  thought, oh, it's going to be gloriful, it's going to be great, just like Jesse was saying,
[07:48.680 --> 07:54.420]  um, the first step to any project that you want to do is raising the funds to be able to go
[07:54.420 --> 07:58.640]  do it. And that's hard. It's hard to ask people for money. Uh, they're wondering what are
[07:58.640 --> 08:05.860]  they getting in exchange. Um, in exchange, what we'd like to be able to do is involve the
[08:05.860 --> 08:10.280]  community more. We have an application on our website, hackerfoundation.org. Basically
[08:10.280 --> 08:15.860]  any, almost any open source coding project, almost any robotics project, almost anything
[08:15.860 --> 08:21.300]  that has some kind of charitable aspect or some kind of, uh, charitable bent to it, can get
[08:21.300 --> 08:25.040]  tax-exempt status through the Hacker Foundation. And one of our goals is to be able to
[08:25.040 --> 08:29.360]  envelop and to take anybody in the community who's interested in that, interested in raising
[08:29.360 --> 08:33.100]  more money, interested in building capacity, uh, and get them involved and get people
[08:33.100 --> 08:37.180]  networking. And that's, that leads into the third goal of what we're doing, uh, building
[08:37.180 --> 08:41.380]  infrastructure for the future. Getting everybody networked, getting everybody together,
[08:41.380 --> 08:45.460]  Hacker Foundation handling the paperwork to free you guys up, uh, to do the intellectual
[08:45.460 --> 08:51.300]  things. But, uh, I'd like to get, uh, right now to Jim's project, uh, the Ugandan Computer
[08:51.300 --> 09:03.090]  Initiative. It's a really exciting talk. Uh, hi. Um, good afternoon. Uh, I'm Jim Skyler
[09:03.090 --> 09:09.890]  and I'm the East Africa Regional Coordinator for the, uh, Hacker Foundation. And my project
[09:09.890 --> 09:17.590]  is UCI, uh, or the Ugandan Computer Initiative. Uh, this is the prototype project of Hackers
[09:17.590 --> 09:24.650]  for Humanity, which is the humanitarian arm of the Hacker Foundation. Uh, just about a
[09:24.650 --> 09:31.150]  month ago, I returned from a three month long stay in, uh, Hoima, Uganda, uh, where I was
[09:31.150 --> 09:35.390]  working as an open volunteer with local and international aid organizations, providing
[09:35.390 --> 09:41.010]  technical support and, uh, training at health clinics, community based organizations, and
[09:41.010 --> 09:50.710]  internally displaced people's camps. Uganda is, in a word, paradise. In seven words,
[09:50.710 --> 09:59.330]  paradise with a bomb strapped to it. When I first traveled to Uganda in 1999, I was
[09:59.330 --> 10:08.850]  captivated. Uh, the landscape was lush, green, perfect. Um, the people were warm, generous,
[10:08.850 --> 10:13.690]  hospitable kinds. With what little they had, they would give me food and welcome me into
[10:13.690 --> 10:22.000]  their homes. You know, the British actually have called Uganda the Pearl of Africa, uh, which
[10:22.000 --> 10:28.040]  is ironic because you won't find a single damn oyster in the entire country. Um, and
[10:28.040 --> 10:34.680]  Tanzania's got diamonds, but they didn't get a sweet nickname. My godparents are Ugandan, and
[10:34.680 --> 10:39.320]  they met my father and mother, uh, while they were studying in Pennsylvania in the late 80s.
[10:39.320 --> 10:46.980]  And when I turned 16, my father told me that it was time for me to go visit them. So, uh,
[10:46.980 --> 10:54.160]  30 or so hours of planes, trains, and automobiles, and we were in Africa. Uh, now, as will
[10:54.160 --> 11:00.700]  happen with idealistic, wide-eyed young men, um, who see true beauty for the first time in their
[11:00.700 --> 11:09.000]  lives, I fell in love. I was completely set. I had spent most of my youth in suburban America, uh,
[11:09.000 --> 11:18.780]  playing video games, skateboarding, and, uh, heck, I never got caught. Um, and being in Africa
[11:18.780 --> 11:23.580]  really changed me. It was, uh, it was sort of one of those times where you just know you're
[11:23.580 --> 11:27.800]  going to wind up somewhere for the rest of your life, and as fate would have it, it looks like
[11:27.800 --> 11:38.340]  I'll be able to. Um, you know, I, oh, yeah, well, it's under his shirt. I don't have a slide for
[11:38.340 --> 11:47.520]  this one, sorry. Yeah. I'm bad at this. Um, yeah, actually, this is the largest group of
[11:47.520 --> 11:53.560]  white people I have seen in about a year. I'm a little creeped out right now. I apologize. Um,
[11:57.060 --> 12:03.860]  no, I mean, sure, uh, even when I went there at 16, there's been a civil war raging in the north
[12:03.860 --> 12:10.780]  of the country for about 20 years. It's still going. Um, there were tanks upended in ditches,
[12:10.780 --> 12:18.520]  uh, you know, kids running around with dirty shirts and bare feet, and, uh, somehow, you know,
[12:18.520 --> 12:23.560]  even though you couldn't drink the water, it was perfect. It was just absolutely perfect. Um,
[12:24.040 --> 12:31.720]  and, uh, you know, really, Uganda is a country in a state of flux. Uh, corruption, civil war,
[12:31.720 --> 12:38.220]  hunger, and disease are realities in Uganda. During my first week of my recent stay, I got
[12:38.220 --> 12:43.600]  malaria. Uh, and for those of you who have not had malaria yet, you are not missing out on
[12:43.600 --> 12:48.860]  much. Just, uh, delete that from your list of priorities and move on to the next one, like
[12:48.860 --> 12:57.620]  typhoid. Um, you know, and even most of the roads are still unpaved in Uganda. Uh, transport
[12:57.620 --> 13:05.860]  is long, arduous, uh, power is intermittent, hardline data connections are unreliable, and,
[13:05.860 --> 13:13.480]  uh, few and far between. But still, um, you know, it's kind of needless to say that my, uh,
[13:13.480 --> 13:17.800]  blog missed an update for a week or two, uh, and I think I might have missed a couple of
[13:17.800 --> 13:25.340]  MySpace invites. But, where those limitations might seem to create closed doors, uh,
[13:25.340 --> 13:30.060]  wireless mesh networks are starting to pop up all across even the remote regions of the
[13:30.060 --> 13:38.160]  country. Uh, expansive GSM coverage, uh, really is incredible. You see, because hardline
[13:38.160 --> 13:47.780]  data connections are nearly impossible to keep active and running, what the Ugandans in,
[13:47.780 --> 13:53.740]  uh, set up wireless towers all across the country. I mean, I could literally get a clear, I
[13:53.740 --> 13:59.860]  could get a clearer signal in the middle of nowhere, in Hoima. I, I could get a clearer
[13:59.860 --> 14:07.300]  signal than I could in downtown Chicago. It was incredible. And, so instead of just sort of
[14:08.100 --> 14:14.260]  going with traditional methods of connectivity, they're really branching out into new and
[14:14.260 --> 14:21.360]  incredibly, just exciting, uh, means of creating communication. Um, you'll even see
[14:21.360 --> 14:27.040]  internet cafes in little one room storefronts. Uh, they're, you know, on satellite phones,
[14:27.040 --> 14:31.940]  they're irregularly connected, poor administration, doesn't matter, they're there. And
[14:31.940 --> 14:37.480]  Ugandans are going through their very own electronic revolution. Uh, you'd be amazed by how
[14:37.480 --> 14:42.080]  many are taught to type in their primary school education system, and they are now using
[14:42.080 --> 14:47.960]  email. I, I don't think many of them have picked up on Friendster, but they definitely are,
[14:47.960 --> 14:56.620]  uh, are communicating with each other within country. Um, now, as well as regular citizens,
[14:56.620 --> 15:01.100]  non-government organizations like the Danish, uh, the Danish Cooperative for International
[15:01.100 --> 15:06.920]  Development, MS, uh, the United Nations Humanitarian and Children's Relief Fund, and the
[15:06.920 --> 15:11.240]  International Medical Corps, all, all three of whom I've worked with, are starting to take
[15:11.240 --> 15:18.140]  advantage of these incredible new technologies, and, uh, to improve their communication and
[15:18.140 --> 15:27.480]  really streamline their methods of just connectivity and, uh, productivity. Um, they're
[15:27.480 --> 15:31.180]  also using them to preserve client records, which is a problem they've been really
[15:31.180 --> 15:38.320]  struggling with for years. Um, the big problem that I discovered while I was working in
[15:38.320 --> 15:44.860]  country was that, that the organizations are relying, the people on the ground, you know, in
[15:44.860 --> 15:51.240]  the remote districts are relying on outdated hardware and software. I, I mean, woefully
[15:51.240 --> 15:55.840]  outdated hardware and software. Uh, for example, I've been working with a community-based
[15:55.840 --> 16:01.420]  organization, the Hoyma Nursery School, Nursery School Development Association, or HNSDA,
[16:01.420 --> 16:07.220]  uh, extensively for the past two months or so. And HNSDA relies on its computers to create
[16:07.220 --> 16:12.660]  teaching materials and keep both its financial and client records for hundreds of nursery
[16:12.660 --> 16:19.260]  school teachers in western Uganda. Uh, that's two of them actually. And, um, when I first
[16:19.260 --> 16:26.600]  started with HNSDA, only one of their three office machines was up and running. And what was
[16:26.600 --> 16:33.400]  it running, you might ask? Uh, Windows 95 on a Pentium II with 48 megs of memory, a
[16:33.400 --> 16:38.940]  completely shot hard drive, and no CD-ROM. And this was the best that they could get out to
[16:38.940 --> 16:44.540]  them. I'm, I'm not kidding, this was the best. Uh, another example is HADFA, the Hoyma
[16:44.540 --> 16:51.980]  District Farmers Association. Now, HADFA uses its computers to create databases of
[16:51.980 --> 16:56.360]  clients, very remote clients. These people have no other means of connectivity except for
[16:56.360 --> 17:03.380]  the sort of general addresses that are used. Um, I got a little click happy there, sorry.
[17:03.400 --> 17:10.360]  Uh, and when I went to work with them, all four of their donated office computers were
[17:10.360 --> 17:17.940]  completely shot. All four of them, completely shot by, does anyone remember the hurry virus?
[17:18.280 --> 17:27.300]  I, I think McAfee 98 successfully took care of it for most of us? Two days. What happens is
[17:27.300 --> 17:32.540]  that because so few Ugandans own computers, they take flash drives and floppy disks and can
[17:32.540 --> 17:36.600]  keep all of their own records, all of their correspondence, all of their email logs,
[17:36.600 --> 17:42.300]  everything. And they just carry them around with them in pockets on chain drives. And then
[17:42.300 --> 17:47.420]  they go anywhere that they know there's a printer and plug it in. And so viruses are passed
[17:47.420 --> 17:54.800]  around like crazy because they don't know how viruses are transmitted. Um, and because there
[17:54.800 --> 18:00.500]  are so few IT professionals available in Uganda, these NGOs and CBOs suffer. This is not
[18:00.500 --> 18:05.200]  to say that there are no IT professionals in Uganda, it's just that they're even more
[18:05.200 --> 18:11.580]  expensive than they are here. And the more I worked with these organizations, I mean,
[18:11.580 --> 18:16.180]  they're dedicated, incredible people who are doing good work, the more I realized that they
[18:16.180 --> 18:21.920]  needed a durable, sustainable solution, uh, to their IT problems. And this is how the
[18:21.920 --> 18:27.700]  Uganda Computer Initiative was born. The primary objective of UCI is to provide an open
[18:27.700 --> 18:33.500]  source solution to the technological challenges NGOs and their subsidiary CBOs face on a
[18:33.500 --> 18:39.400]  daily basis. We want to also simultaneously provide training and resource materials to
[18:39.400 --> 18:42.780]  these staffers. We are talking about the Ugandans themselves so that they can become
[18:42.780 --> 18:48.300]  self-reliant so they no longer have to rely on these IT professionals who are overcharging
[18:48.300 --> 18:53.240]  them. You know, the cost just for transport from the major city of Kampala is ridiculous.
[18:53.240 --> 19:00.200]  They cannot afford this. And furthermore, to empower all of the counterparts so that they can
[19:00.200 --> 19:07.460]  network together and everyone can support each other in sort of a nationwide CBO and NGO
[19:07.460 --> 19:14.060]  network. Now, UCI has five primary goals. First, to develop and deliver the stable and
[19:14.060 --> 19:19.360]  workable open source option package for NGOs and CBOs, including an alternative and
[19:19.360 --> 19:24.360]  continually customized Linux distro to replace whichever Windows system they are currently
[19:24.360 --> 19:29.240]  using. Because these computers are donated and they are preloaded before they come to them,
[19:29.240 --> 19:34.680]  they all have Windows in one form or another. Ugandans do not use Windows because their
[19:34.680 --> 19:40.400]  corporate, you know, head honchos tell them they have to. This is not about market share.
[19:40.660 --> 19:46.340]  Ugandans just don't have a choice. When the NGOs and CBOs receive these in bulk, in-kind
[19:46.340 --> 19:53.260]  donations, they don't have the resources or the IT staff available to fix them, change them,
[19:53.260 --> 20:00.040]  or provide a stable solution. Our next goal is to provide comprehensive training and support.
[20:00.040 --> 20:03.780]  I mentioned this earlier. This is the training curricula package where we will bring them
[20:03.780 --> 20:09.600]  into our classrooms and train them on a pro bono basis. The next is to provide donated
[20:09.600 --> 20:15.160]  computer and networking hardware to these organizations on a proven need basis, as
[20:15.160 --> 20:19.240]  determined by an application and approval process to be administered by the Hacker
[20:19.240 --> 20:26.020]  Foundation, Hackers for Humanity, and UCI. Also to develop and follow a monitoring and
[20:26.020 --> 20:36.080]  self-evaluation program to create quantifiable long-term and short-term goals. So that the
[20:36.080 --> 20:41.020]  Hacker Foundation and its subsidiaries, the donors, anyone who chooses to donate to this
[20:41.020 --> 20:45.400]  project, will know exactly what we are doing, what our goals are, and how we plan to achieve
[20:45.400 --> 20:52.340]  them, if we achieve them and if we are being successful. And finally, to implement a long-term
[20:52.340 --> 20:58.220]  sustainability program in which Ugandan nationals will train along UCI staffers to one day replace
[20:58.220 --> 21:04.160]  them, being me, and become the directors of the organization. This is, if at any point, I
[21:04.160 --> 21:09.340]  decide to come back to a country where I can still get a cheeseburger. And I have to admit
[21:09.340 --> 21:17.520]  there really is a sixth goal, and that's to promote hacker ideals and open-source evangelism in
[21:17.520 --> 21:25.140]  Uganda and East Africa. There is no counterculture in Uganda. There is no culture of closed
[21:25.140 --> 21:32.620]  source or proprietary source activism. You would be amazed by how open to the idea of free
[21:32.620 --> 21:39.320]  software, an NGO or a CBO, will be, even a regular user. The idea of not having to pay for
[21:39.440 --> 21:45.620]  a Linux distro is revolutionary. The savings to international aid organizations and to
[21:46.320 --> 21:52.920]  common individual users across the country who have connectivity will be immense. I'm
[21:52.920 --> 21:59.260]  also proud to announce another project tied in with UCI and Hackers for Humanity, which
[21:59.260 --> 22:04.980]  is Laptops for East Africa. This is not, of course, to be confused with the great program
[22:04.980 --> 22:11.740]  being run by the good folks over at computersforafrica.org. They are doing good work. What we're
[22:11.740 --> 22:18.080]  looking to do is target specifically Uganda and then Tanzania, Kenya and Burundi and Rwanda.
[22:20.040 --> 22:26.640]  The deal is this. We need newer equipment. And just walking around this con for the past
[22:26.640 --> 22:34.960]  three days, I see a lot of really nice laptops, and I got to tell you, I want them and I want
[22:34.960 --> 22:39.380]  to give them to organizations who can use them. Actually, are we going to be doing Q&A
[22:39.380 --> 22:45.720]  afterwards? We'll be doing Q&A afterwards. Laptops come with built-in UPS systems. When
[22:45.720 --> 22:49.780]  the power goes out, instead of having to fire up a diesel generator, a laptop just keeps
[22:49.780 --> 22:54.880]  running long enough to do what you need to do. They're small. They're portable. We can
[22:54.880 --> 23:00.460]  transport them easily. It is easy to ship a number of laptops instead of one or two
[23:00.460 --> 23:06.640]  desktops. And so what you do is you sign up with us. We give you a sticker to put on your
[23:06.640 --> 23:12.280]  laptop. When you're ready to upgrade to that shiny new box that you've been saving up for
[23:12.280 --> 23:18.020]  for the past few years, you donate the computer to us for a tax write-off, and we send it
[23:18.020 --> 23:24.760]  where it needs to go and where it will be used. Now, again, I'd like to thank you for your
[23:24.760 --> 23:29.300]  time and your patience. I'm really not very good at this, but remember, please, geeks do
[23:29.300 --> 23:33.700]  come in all colors. And I'd really like to see some of my Ugandan friends here in a couple
[23:33.700 --> 23:35.240]  of years. Thank you.
[23:46.830 --> 23:50.290]  And please, definitely get some of those stickers, because I know I'm getting one. I would
[23:50.290 --> 23:57.230]  love to see one of those Ugandans with, you know, talk nerdy to me and root me, and I would
[23:57.230 --> 24:01.630]  love to see that. So send me some pictures, please. My name is Louis Sorows. I wasn't
[24:01.630 --> 24:06.290]  announced in the beginning because I was taking care of something personal. But anyway, I'm
[24:06.290 --> 24:11.970]  the systems administrator for the Chicago Neighborhood Boys and Girls Club. And the Chicago,
[24:11.970 --> 24:16.350]  it's exactly what the name suggests. Kids come there, and they hang out with their friends,
[24:16.350 --> 24:21.850]  they play sports, and they just chill out after school. But we wanted something more for
[24:21.850 --> 24:28.050]  them. And in 2004, in March 2004, we set up for them a computer lab. And next slide,
[24:28.050 --> 24:33.810]  please. And that computer lab consisted of these things. Five Dell computers, three
[24:33.810 --> 24:38.930]  Emacs, a Clark Connect router, and some wireless access points and bridges. We were able to
[24:38.930 --> 24:45.650]  do all this with a small donation of about $10,000 from a large financial institution. We
[24:45.650 --> 24:52.190]  also have some office equipment as well for them, for the general staff, of five standalone
[24:52.190 --> 24:56.810]  PCs, a Linux terminal server project, which is really cool if any of you have ever worked
[24:56.810 --> 25:01.970]  with that. And Jim already spoke something about that. And another router. And we also
[25:01.970 --> 25:08.310]  built for them a Athlon Debian file server and mail server. But I don't think that's too
[25:08.310 --> 25:16.430]  safe. But when you're a non-profit, you do with what you got. Next slide, please. This is
[25:16.430 --> 25:21.650]  what our lab looks like when we were first building it. It's pretty sparse, but it works
[25:21.650 --> 25:26.510]  for what the kids need. Basically, IM, chat with their friends, that's about it. You know,
[25:26.510 --> 25:29.850]  blogs every once in a while. They don't do much because they don't know much what's out
[25:29.850 --> 25:41.510]  there with what they got. Next slide. Some of them having fun, opening day. Next. Next.
[25:43.470 --> 25:47.890]  And this is our current state of funding. That $10,000 that we got from that financial
[25:47.890 --> 25:54.330]  institution, it's all gone. The various hardware donations that we get from the community,
[25:54.330 --> 25:58.070]  pretty much useless because they're Lexmark's printers that they get for free anyway when
[25:58.070 --> 26:03.710]  they buy that other computer. Then they realize it's crap and then they give it to us. And
[26:03.710 --> 26:08.570]  Packard Bell, they are still out there. I cannot believe it. And then the other one, we do
[26:08.570 --> 26:14.230]  get some private financial funding. These are some of the people who fund. This woman is
[26:14.230 --> 26:20.930]  the program director for the club. Next one. And that's me. And obviously you can tell we
[26:20.930 --> 26:26.650]  need a lot of help if we're duct taping switches to the wall. So you know we need some help.
[26:26.650 --> 26:32.570]  Next. So how are we going to use this really cool hardware that we can probably get from the
[26:32.570 --> 26:36.050]  Hacker Foundation? Some of the things that we want to do, I mean because these guys, they're
[26:36.050 --> 26:40.770]  getting together with some really big corporations and giving you that hardware that they're
[26:40.770 --> 26:45.410]  not going to be using anyway. So you guys can have some fun with it. We want to build a
[26:45.410 --> 26:50.130]  local database. What does that mean? There are so many community businesses that support
[26:50.130 --> 26:55.610]  the club in many different ways. We want the kids to be able, once it's all set up, to go to
[26:55.610 --> 26:59.890]  these different community businesses, get some interesting stories from them, get some
[26:59.890 --> 27:05.030]  contact information, photos, and create a nice database that's online for the parents to go
[27:05.030 --> 27:09.850]  research. Kind of like a good guy's yellow books where they say, hey, these people donate to
[27:09.850 --> 27:14.370]  the club. I'm going to go support them first. That way, hey, some of that money will then
[27:14.370 --> 27:19.090]  come back to the club. All is good. Maintaining the website. Some of these kids are pretty
[27:19.090 --> 27:23.230]  good. They want to learn about website building, but right now our current webpage is a
[27:23.230 --> 27:29.370]  static ask website that was donated to us for free from an alum. It's nice and all, but it's
[27:29.370 --> 27:34.110]  not what we want. We want something that's live, maintainable, easy for them to use. We have
[27:34.110 --> 27:41.210]  over 70 years of historical newsletters that these people have created on mimeographed paper
[27:41.650 --> 27:46.490]  that are still in hard copy. We finally started digitizing some of them, but we want to be
[27:46.490 --> 27:51.650]  able to create a database of them in PDF with OCR. Very nice. And I'll tell you why that's
[27:51.650 --> 27:56.810]  important in a second. And also we want to create a photo archive. We have 70 years of photos
[27:56.810 --> 28:05.890]  as well. The reason is this, because next year we have the 75th anniversary coming up.
[28:05.890 --> 28:10.070]  We have people coming from all over the country. Some of these people are 80 years old, 90
[28:10.070 --> 28:15.670]  years old, and they want to be able to see all the things that they remember in the past,
[28:15.670 --> 28:20.810]  but everybody believes that they're lying about. So they want to be able to come in, see all
[28:20.810 --> 28:26.910]  the photos up on a big LCD, and say, hey, that's me. Then they can take a little card,
[28:26.910 --> 28:30.950]  write down that number, go over to another computer, and print it out. So that way they've
[28:30.950 --> 28:35.090]  got a copy for themselves. And then what about for their little grandkid that they told,
[28:35.090 --> 28:39.510]  remember I scored that goal during that game and you didn't believe me? Here, check this
[28:39.510 --> 28:44.270]  out. They type in their name in the PDF archive and up comes every single PDF that they were
[28:44.270 --> 28:51.130]  in. Boom. There you go. Print it out and go eat it, bitch. All right, anyway. Next, we've
[28:51.130 --> 28:57.390]  got a digital jukebox of legal MP3s and Burns CD backups. There's this really cool software
[28:57.390 --> 29:01.470]  called Tunes that, because I don't know if any of you have kids. Yeah, they all agree on the
[29:01.470 --> 29:06.990]  same music all at the same time, definitely. But what this is, Tunes is a democratically
[29:09.010 --> 29:14.250]  designed email, excuse me, email, MP3 server where they log on to the website for it as
[29:14.250 --> 29:18.270]  long as they've got an account and they get to vote which song they want to hear. And
[29:18.270 --> 29:22.410]  whichever song has the highest amount of votes, that's the one that gets played. So it's very,
[29:22.410 --> 29:26.730]  very cool. That's what I want. Computer repair and donation. These kids, I mean, they see
[29:26.730 --> 29:31.210]  something shiny and they're like, ooh, I want to touch. And they want to learn how to build
[29:31.210 --> 29:35.230]  computers, they want to repair them. We want more computers that are either broken that
[29:35.230 --> 29:40.510]  we can then, or people that send them in, repair them and give them back, or even better,
[29:40.510 --> 29:46.490]  have donations of those dead computers, the kids can repair them. And one project we want
[29:46.490 --> 29:53.570]  is that every sixth computer they build, they get to keep that seventh one. And then after
[29:53.730 --> 29:56.210]  a while, you're going to be like, well, these kids are going to be stacking up with computers.
[29:56.210 --> 29:59.430]  Are they going to have a cluster and stuff? Yeah, that's one option if they want to do
[29:59.430 --> 30:03.930]  that. But the cool thing is, though, they get to then choose if they want to, who they
[30:03.930 --> 30:08.090]  actually donate that computer to, which is even more fun, I think, because then they get
[30:08.090 --> 30:15.350]  to see and actually affect somebody else's life. Next. These sound like some good ideas
[30:15.350 --> 30:21.210]  you guys might use also in your community? Okay, cool. Linux terminal server project.
[30:21.210 --> 30:25.470]  You saw that lab, okay? It was pretty sparse. It was about eight total computers in there
[30:25.470 --> 30:31.370]  plus the router. Well, we've got it right now where if you connect two Playstations in the
[30:31.370 --> 30:36.430]  room next to us, it blows out half the computers. Not too much fun. So what we want to do is
[30:36.430 --> 30:41.270]  set up a terminal server project where we can have lightweight, like Jim spoke about,
[30:41.270 --> 30:47.310]  lightweight laptops which have their own power supply, so on and so forth, and be able to
[30:47.310 --> 30:51.750]  run at least 20, 25 computers for all these kids to then run those previous projects you
[30:51.750 --> 30:59.470]  saw. Also the web server to host all our online projects. Events registration. You guys probably
[30:59.470 --> 31:04.710]  have some kids, okay? You can't always make your time to go out and sign them up for all
[31:04.710 --> 31:11.630]  these different things. Go online, register them, and you're done. Timesheets. Timesheets
[31:11.630 --> 31:15.690]  for the staff so that way they can just sign in and the administration doesn't have to do
[31:15.690 --> 31:23.690]  all this stuff by hand. It's really sad. Next, please. Wi-Fi for the park. We've got a really
[31:23.690 --> 31:28.710]  nice park out there and we want to be able to broadcast Wi-Fi out there and just for the
[31:28.710 --> 31:33.110]  people to come in and use, have the laptops, have a good time. If we can, which would be
[31:33.110 --> 31:37.990]  really great, is to be able to track the scores online, live. Once again, you guys can't
[31:37.990 --> 31:42.290]  always get to your kids' games. You can at least check the scores online and RSS feed would
[31:42.290 --> 31:47.710]  be great. But anyway, you can check the scores online and then say, hey, when the kid comes
[31:47.710 --> 31:51.390]  home, I saw your game, you had a great time, I saw what you scored, that's excellent, and
[31:51.390 --> 31:56.410]  talk about it. Wireless video cams to watch the games online. Secured and password protected
[31:56.410 --> 32:02.030]  so that only the parents, well, and you guys, can watch the kids play, alright? Same thing.
[32:02.030 --> 32:07.170]  You want to be able to see your kids play, score that one home run. And finally, be able
[32:07.170 --> 32:11.810]  to provide the classes that the community and these kids have been looking for. I repair
[32:11.810 --> 32:20.730]  computers all day. Generally, all spam, viruses, pop-up blockers, all that stuff. And it's
[32:20.730 --> 32:24.430]  the same thing every time, asking the exact same questions every single time, and I feel
[32:24.430 --> 32:28.790]  like I should just have a tape recorder of myself right there and just play it. So I
[32:28.790 --> 32:32.070]  want to be able to provide those classes for them so they can actually learn. And on
[32:32.070 --> 32:35.830]  those eight computers, it's not going to happen, but with what we want to do and with the help
[32:35.830 --> 32:42.230]  of the Hacker Foundation, I think it's pretty possible. Next slide. And finally, just, you
[32:42.230 --> 32:45.530]  know, thanks to the Hacker Foundation because hopefully together we can show the community
[32:45.530 --> 32:50.550]  and these kids that there's a lot more to tech and computers than just IMs and blogs.
[32:50.670 --> 33:14.720]  And that's my speech. Thanks guys. So by now you can see that the Hacker Foundation is
[33:14.720 --> 33:20.580]  an official 501C non-profit with a definite presence here at DEF CON. So that brings up
[33:20.580 --> 33:27.320]  the next question. What does that mean for you guys? How can the Hacker Foundation help
[33:27.320 --> 33:34.520]  your projects? What can the Hacker Foundation do for the entire hacker community? Basically,
[33:34.520 --> 33:40.180]  as an umbrella non-profit, we can provide you with three things. Funding, advocacy,
[33:40.180 --> 33:46.480]  and non-profit status. Funding is often the largest obstacle for a non-profit initiative.
[33:46.940 --> 33:52.860]  In order to receive adequate funding, some projects will simply work under another organization.
[33:59.010 --> 34:04.670]  For instance, a great plan would become just another university project or government project,
[34:04.670 --> 34:09.050]  receiving nearly all of its funding from just one source. While that might seem like an
[34:09.050 --> 34:18.410]  okay idea, the project loses autonomy. Even though universities have great intentions,
[34:18.410 --> 34:23.570]  they're at the mercy of the school's budget, policy, and agenda. If a project chooses to
[34:23.570 --> 34:28.250]  work with the Hacker Foundation, funding can come from a wide variety of sources. And we
[34:28.250 --> 34:33.550]  can work with you to develop those. The Hacker Foundation will work to keep projects connected
[34:33.550 --> 34:40.370]  to organizations that provide funding. And also, having IRS 501C tax exempt status means
[34:40.370 --> 34:47.450]  that your project can receive donations just like any other. The next issue is advocacy.
[34:48.510 --> 34:53.090]  The Hacker Foundation is all about security conscious individuals working together for
[34:53.090 --> 34:58.930]  positive action. And I'm sure we're all tired of stereotypes and misrepresentation, and
[34:58.930 --> 35:04.270]  this is our chance to fight that. Without a doubt, this will also provide more public
[35:04.270 --> 35:10.650]  awareness, positive exposure for the hacker community as a whole. Finally, as I mentioned
[35:10.650 --> 35:17.150]  before, the Hacker Foundation can provide 501C status for a project. The process to
[35:17.150 --> 35:22.470]  achieve this status typically takes at least two years and an incredible amount of paperwork.
[35:22.470 --> 35:28.370]  It's definitely a headache, and hackers aren't really good at paperwork. By eliminating the
[35:28.370 --> 35:34.250]  headache, dealing with the IRS, and incorporation, hopefully more people will be encouraged to
[35:34.250 --> 35:40.670]  turn their altruistic ideas into a reality. The bottom line is, the Hacker Foundation
[35:40.670 --> 35:48.110]  is ready. It is ready to receive your applications. It's ready to hear your ideas. We provide
[35:48.110 --> 35:54.730]  the networking for funding, 501C non-profit status, and we make it easy enough as just
[35:54.730 --> 36:09.860]  submitting an application to us. So hopefully you've learned a little bit more about what
[36:09.860 --> 36:18.140]  the Foundation is about, what we've been doing, if you haven't left. It's a long, hard
[36:18.140 --> 36:24.260]  road to get over what I call the hacker hump, which is, oh, you're a hacker? Oh, God, you're
[36:24.260 --> 36:32.420]  obviously a criminal. And that's not entirely undeserved, because you don't see a lot of
[36:32.420 --> 36:39.000]  things that are like, hackers fly to, you know, bang after, or bam, after an earthquake
[36:39.000 --> 36:45.180]  and do great works. You don't see that stuff a lot. So that's one of the things we're also
[36:45.180 --> 36:50.540]  trying to take care of, and Fraser hit on that. So, I'm going to open it up for questions.
[36:51.740 --> 36:52.580]  Yes, sir?
[37:24.160 --> 37:26.040]  That's actually a really good question.
[37:27.480 --> 37:31.080]  Yeah, yeah, let me touch it. So the main issue is, you're out in the bush somewhere, where
[37:31.080 --> 37:34.920]  do you get the juice from? It's not as bad as you think, actually.
[37:36.980 --> 37:42.020]  Well, there are a number of ways that we really tackle the power situation.
[37:44.440 --> 37:49.980]  Our biggest problem was not in the cities. It was not in the even sort of developed rural
[37:49.980 --> 37:55.400]  districts. It was in the internally displaced people's camps. In the IDP camps, there would
[37:55.400 --> 38:01.900]  be about one government power line into the entire camp, and chances were pretty good
[38:01.900 --> 38:07.260]  that it didn't have juice in it. And when it did, it would spike to about 350 and set
[38:07.260 --> 38:13.880]  everything on fire. Yeah. I lost too many fridges that way.
[38:14.760 --> 38:19.680]  What we do is, as you mentioned, the battery gang solution. The battery gang solution is
[38:19.680 --> 38:25.880]  an incredibly effective way. You'll see this in a lot of, I guess, infomercials. It'll
[38:25.880 --> 38:31.560]  be a group of car batteries ganged together and then inverted. I'm not really a tech geek,
[38:31.560 --> 38:36.500]  but I know we do use the battery gang. We also have a lot of solar cells that have been
[38:36.500 --> 38:42.680]  donated, but it's a very... solar technology is difficult. We are on the equator. We have
[38:42.780 --> 38:50.360]  a lot of sunlight, but we also have... Uganda has two seasons, rainy and sunny. You can
[38:50.360 --> 38:58.380]  guess which season is less effective for power from solar. Also, the weather gets pretty
[38:58.380 --> 39:04.040]  volatile, and we have had solar racks, panels, just demolished overnight while we've been
[39:04.040 --> 39:09.980]  sleeping, no matter how well we try to protect them. Right now, we are using primarily diesel
[39:09.980 --> 39:15.460]  backup generators that we're lugging around. Petrol's expensive, but when you need it,
[39:15.460 --> 39:21.520]  you need it. Especially when you've got IMC volunteers using their laptops, they really
[39:21.520 --> 39:30.100]  need that connectivity, so we'll just fire up a diesel. You want to donate the fuel cells?
[39:30.100 --> 39:35.060]  We want to use them. Yeah, we're not that well-funded yet. Yeah, that's one of the main
[39:35.060 --> 39:39.180]  issues that you see is that, you know, the next... everyone's like, oh, China's the next
[39:39.180 --> 39:44.960]  big market. Well, it is, but they're already really far ahead of the curve. Let's not worry
[39:44.960 --> 39:50.120]  about the next market. Let's worry the market about the next one, the next next market.
[39:50.920 --> 39:54.600]  And that's one of the reasons that you see a lot of talk about Africa in the NGO world,
[39:54.600 --> 40:00.440]  but we don't want to focus too much on just Jim's project, as awesome as it is, because
[40:00.440 --> 40:04.240]  that's not what the Hacker Foundation just does. If you've got something else in mind,
[40:04.240 --> 40:11.600]  say mine detection equipment, our nice robotics challenge, and for a lot of reasons, we're
[40:11.600 --> 40:16.620]  interested in that kind of stuff, too. Yes, you. No, no, it's actually the guy behind
[40:16.620 --> 40:33.040]  you. Nick? He has the funding question about how you, like, manage the money. Can you repeat
[40:33.040 --> 40:51.720]  the question real quickly? I still can't hear you. Could you stand up? Sorry, got a cold.
[40:51.840 --> 40:55.720]  My understanding is that, as an individual, I can't call up the Hacker Foundation and
[40:55.720 --> 41:00.920]  say, okay, I want to give organization to, say, the Apache organization, and then give
[41:00.920 --> 41:03.980]  you money and take a tax deduction, and then you give it to the Apache organization or
[41:03.980 --> 41:08.900]  to an individual. I have to give money to you, and then you, in theory, in a separate
[41:08.900 --> 41:12.480]  process, give it to another organization. Have you figured out how that works with the
[41:12.480 --> 41:16.860]  IRS tax deductions? What happens with organization open source projects, they go through an application
[41:16.860 --> 41:22.120]  process. It's a more interactive process than a bureaucratic process. What we're doing is
[41:22.120 --> 41:26.700]  determining and making sure that what the goals and aims of each project are, are charitable
[41:26.700 --> 41:33.600]  and fall under our section of the Internal Revenue Code. Once that happens, it's not a
[41:33.600 --> 41:38.000]  question of you're donating money and earmarking funds. You, as an organization, go out there,
[41:38.000 --> 41:43.220]  directly solicit funds. You're working with the Hacker Foundation. The Hacker Foundation
[41:43.220 --> 41:48.780]  cashes the checks and gives the money straight back to you. That's all we do. And, actually,
[41:48.780 --> 41:52.680]  if I can add to that, the other thing you guys do is also the hardware as well, correct?
[41:52.680 --> 41:56.420]  Right. And that's the other thing, is that the Hacker Foundation... I was just referring
[41:56.420 --> 42:02.280]  to projects that apply that are looking for ways to be sort of non-profit in a box. I
[42:02.280 --> 42:06.240]  hope there's nobody from the IRS here because... And in cases like mine, I'm actually hoping
[42:06.240 --> 42:11.420]  for the hardware versus getting money because I'd love to see the money guys, you know,
[42:11.420 --> 42:15.900]  give that out to the athletics department and have kids play basketball with the server.
[42:15.900 --> 42:20.160]  I'd love to see it. I mean, it could be fun, but I don't think so. There's two separate
[42:20.160 --> 42:24.120]  issues going on here. I think the issue that you were addressing is that if a group applies
[42:24.120 --> 42:27.720]  to the Hacker Foundation, will it be sort of a United Way thing? No. It's a much more
[42:27.720 --> 42:31.320]  streamlined, much more effective than that. But what the Hacker Foundation does as an
[42:31.320 --> 42:36.580]  organization on itself is go out there and actively raise funds for all of its projects.
[42:36.580 --> 42:41.220]  So we can make our own decisions about giving you money. And we'd love to do that. I mean,
[42:41.220 --> 42:48.980]  if everybody at DEF CON gave us 60 bucks or 80 bucks, we could, A, throw a really sweet
[42:48.980 --> 42:54.520]  gas party. And this might seem familiar. You're at that party. Or we could do a lot
[42:54.520 --> 43:16.930]  of really great projects. You, sir, in the shiny lame. At this time, we have three, we
[43:16.930 --> 43:21.730]  call these projects. We should have done a slide about this. If you think about the umbrella
[43:21.730 --> 43:25.850]  like this, the Hacker Foundation sits at the top and does the money, and then we have projects
[43:25.850 --> 43:30.450]  underneath it. Uganda, and in this case, the Chicago project. We also have another internal
[43:30.450 --> 43:36.130]  project, which is capacity building. You know, we need infrastructure and money, because
[43:36.130 --> 43:40.510]  that's how you make more money. And then we have, and then we're actively seeking more
[43:40.890 --> 44:04.210]  projects. So is that what your question was, Mike? Yeah, I'm familiar. Oh, are we out talking
[44:04.210 --> 44:10.250]  to other nerds about non-profit-y stuff? Yes. Yeah, we throw around words like capacity
[44:10.250 --> 44:16.610]  and IDP and, you know, UNHCR and all that kind of stuff all the time, and we kind of
[44:16.610 --> 44:20.570]  don't say it here, but we definitely, you know, we're definitely in on that world, or
[44:20.570 --> 44:27.090]  we're getting more in on that world. Most of us are amateur non-profit workers. But
[44:27.090 --> 44:37.230]  we're working up to pro. Yes, you. My personal biggest motivation behind the Hacker Foundation?
[44:37.230 --> 44:43.510]  Um, I think I talked about this a little earlier in someone else's speech. There's, uh, two
[44:43.510 --> 44:50.790]  ways you can solve really bad problems, like poverty, terrorism, and war. You can, uh, buy
[44:50.790 --> 44:58.090]  them out, buy them in, or you can fight them. If we go to Africa, and I mean hackers go to
[44:58.090 --> 45:03.110]  Africa, or hackers go to Chicago, and we're like, hey, we're really cool people, we want
[45:03.110 --> 45:10.210]  to help you, and we raise them in our mental sphere, and get them trained in our mental
[45:10.210 --> 45:14.470]  sphere, and say open source is a good thing, and they're used to using open source. When
[45:14.470 --> 45:21.130]  Microsoft goes to visit in ten years, who's got more feet on the ground? That's the kind
[45:21.130 --> 45:27.810]  of stuff, I mean, you want to see more hackers? Go where there aren't a lot already, and make
[45:27.810 --> 45:33.090]  them. It's not that hard. Personally, I'm in it for the money. He's in it for the money.
[45:33.090 --> 45:37.630]  Uh, but I can't speak to every, I, I've actually studiously avoided that. We don't try and
[45:37.630 --> 45:48.330]  tell you why you should help other people. Everyone has those reasons. And, uh, yeah, we're
[45:48.330 --> 45:52.830]  done. Let me take one more, because we're that good. Oh, he's giving me the, lookit, two
[45:52.830 --> 46:02.740]  minutes. Yes. Yes, this is what we want to hear. Yes, I do, we are interested in talking to
[46:02.740 --> 46:08.980]  you afterward about a political project, sir. Yeah. Any more questions? Yes.
[46:10.820 --> 46:18.700]  Well, you can get a shirt for $20 and it's tax deductible. No, we have one right here. And I
[46:18.700 --> 46:27.180]  also have an issue of frack. Now this I haven't figured out how to give away yet. How about
[46:27.180 --> 46:35.300]  the biggest donation? It's an option, I mean, who's willing to buy this issue of frack and
[46:35.300 --> 46:42.140]  write it off? 20 bucks? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can do better than 20 bucks. Oh, I have a bid
[46:42.140 --> 46:50.940]  back there. Yes, sir. Huh? 30. Okay, a little bit more money. Oh, somebody's checking their
[46:50.940 --> 46:58.900]  wallet. Excellent. I like ambition like that. And by the way, this is kind of our money
[46:58.900 --> 47:07.840]  making strategy. I call it beg or torture. Or make Nick Farr eat a really, really big goddamn
[47:07.840 --> 47:14.160]  hamburger. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. I'm also having some formal dinners with some rich people
[47:14.160 --> 47:20.480]  tonight. That'll help too, hopefully. Jesse, you just got one more question, right? Yeah, one
[47:20.480 --> 47:52.640]  more question? Well, actually, the idea is that we don't give them to individuals directly.
[47:52.660 --> 47:57.740]  They'll be used in the offices of the NGOs and CBOs themselves. I keep using the acronym,
[47:57.740 --> 48:02.820]  it's non-governmental organizations. They're international aid organizations. And the idea is
[48:02.820 --> 48:07.480]  we give them to the organizations because they can then use that hardware to affect the most
[48:07.480 --> 48:12.740]  people, or as many people as possible, more than a single individual could. Thank you.