WEBVTT 00:09.590 --> 00:10.810 about to be. 00:11.650 --> 00:15.090 First and foremost, who left their cell phone here? 00:17.740 --> 00:19.580 Free phone calls for me. 00:21.180 --> 00:22.920 Okay, I'm going to do a quick introduction. 00:22.920 --> 00:24.820 I'm Agent X, aka Jesse Krems. 00:24.820 --> 00:27.280 I'm the president and co-founder of the Hacker Foundation. 00:27.900 --> 00:30.580 And let me talk to you about some of the people that are here. 00:30.620 --> 00:32.460 This is Jim Schuyler. 00:33.080 --> 00:37.480 He's from, he's our operative in Uganda right now. 00:38.220 --> 00:39.700 This is Nick Farr. 00:40.640 --> 00:43.180 He's our accountant and registered CPA. 00:43.300 --> 00:45.140 Or he's working on it very hard. 00:45.460 --> 00:46.940 That's uh, Fraser Cunningham. 00:46.940 --> 00:49.000 You've probably seen him around, aka Null Tone. 00:49.000 --> 00:51.460 He's our secretary and I think I just outed him. 00:52.080 --> 00:53.880 Uh, that's Locke. 00:53.880 --> 00:55.220 Can I use a real name? 00:55.320 --> 00:56.680 Okay, that's Stephen Kirk. 00:56.680 --> 00:58.760 He runs all the networks here at DEF CON. 01:04.040 --> 01:05.420 You got Wi-Fi? 01:05.420 --> 01:06.600 It's because you got Locke. 01:07.080 --> 01:12.080 This man right here, he works for, uh, I, no, that's not Louise. 01:14.400 --> 01:15.300 That's Christian. 01:18.940 --> 01:20.940 I'm just going to give this cell phone to some guy. 01:21.240 --> 01:26.060 So, uh, and then that's Jennifer at the end and that man in between who I haven't talked to a lot. 01:26.480 --> 01:29.180 Uh, he's going to be talking about one of our projects in Chicago. 01:29.560 --> 01:34.660 And this man bringing me water here is Code24, who's a stalwart friend. 01:34.660 --> 01:35.920 Thank you very much. 01:37.560 --> 01:43.660 So here's our quick history of the Hacker Foundation, um, and where we've been and where we're going kind of thing. 01:47.560 --> 02:02.660 In a, in 1996, Major Malfunction, one of the head speaker goons, or one of the head goons, and who's currently speaking another track and can't be here, went to Sarajevo to set up a BBS, uh, to help the people that were trapped in their apartments by snipers. 02:02.660 --> 02:10.300 A BBS in a war-torn area is a pretty useful tool because, you know, you need to know where you can get water, where you can get, you know, it's safe to travel and so on and so forth. 02:10.300 --> 02:11.340 He's the one in the middle. 02:11.800 --> 02:16.020 Uh, and so he, he told me about this, uh, prior to DEFCON 9. 02:16.080 --> 02:17.240 It's been rattling around in my head. 02:17.240 --> 02:19.260 I'm like, whoa, that's so cool. 02:19.280 --> 02:20.680 Flying to war-torn areas. 02:20.680 --> 02:21.880 Set up network equipment. 02:21.880 --> 02:22.460 Yeah! 02:23.340 --> 02:27.280 So the, um, so that rattled around in my head and I thought about that for a while. 02:27.740 --> 02:35.720 And then Nick and I were attending bar over at Caesar's one night and I, this is how I met Nick and he was, he was helping me out and I was like, wow, Nick's a really cool guy. 02:35.720 --> 02:38.520 He's really on it and he's way more organized than me. 02:38.820 --> 02:46.040 And the next day we were up on top of the, uh, Alexis Park playing with one of Uncle Iris' sat phones. 02:46.440 --> 02:54.240 The, um, and, uh, so the, uh, and we were talking about that and we thought this was a great tool. 02:54.240 --> 02:55.340 It's really awesome. 02:55.480 --> 03:00.580 The, um, the, uh, wait a second. 03:00.700 --> 03:02.920 Cue it for me. 03:03.240 --> 03:04.860 So we were playing with the satellite equipment. 03:04.860 --> 03:05.980 We thought this was really awesome. 03:05.980 --> 03:07.020 We were like, what could we do with this? 03:07.020 --> 03:09.860 And we were thinking about something called Medici Sans Frontier at the time. 03:09.880 --> 03:11.300 Doctors without borders. 03:11.600 --> 03:14.100 And Nick was like, yeah, hackers without borders. 03:14.360 --> 03:15.760 That won't scare anyone. 03:16.360 --> 03:21.380 Um, and so we kind of toned it down a little at that time and we decided to call it Hackers for Humanity. 03:21.700 --> 03:24.160 And we talked about it a little and that was about where we left it. 03:24.160 --> 03:31.100 And then at Defcon 10, uh, I sent out a mailing to DC forums and we got a bunch of people together. 03:31.540 --> 03:32.220 He's one of them. 03:32.440 --> 03:35.340 To, uh, talk about what Hackers for Humanity is going to be. 03:35.340 --> 03:37.560 What it, you know, what this means. 03:37.560 --> 03:46.300 Um, and we went over to Metro Pizza which has these huge white paper tablecloths and ideas were flying just fast and furious about what Hackers for Humanity should be. 03:46.300 --> 03:47.640 Should be this, should be that. 03:47.640 --> 03:50.220 We really came out of this meeting with two things. 03:50.460 --> 03:51.140 Or three things. 03:51.140 --> 03:53.240 A long possible list of activities. 03:54.160 --> 03:55.580 A lot of energy. 03:55.680 --> 03:58.100 And Priest said something that was really important. 03:58.100 --> 04:01.280 Which was, if you want to make it real, you got to make it formal. 04:01.680 --> 04:04.780 So, uh, we started to do that. 04:04.820 --> 04:13.100 Uh, Nick and I, before Defcon 11, exchanged boatloads of email talking about what Hackers for Humanity should be and how we could help all these people. 04:14.380 --> 04:14.980 Yeah. 04:15.040 --> 04:17.300 And it was like, oh, this is really confusing. 04:17.300 --> 04:18.240 Totally nuts. 04:18.240 --> 04:23.020 So what we did was we, um, we kind of came up with this idea of a Hacker Foundation. 04:23.180 --> 04:25.180 And that's a overarching organization. 04:25.420 --> 04:29.980 It's an umbrella for all other activities that you want to do. 04:29.980 --> 04:31.920 And we call these activities projects. 04:32.080 --> 04:33.920 Yeah, so we're that kind of umbrella. 04:34.560 --> 04:47.040 Um, and then, so we get together, Defcon 11, we talk, and then immediately afterward, uh, Nick goes back to California and files the paperwork to make us a California benefit corporation. 04:47.040 --> 04:48.920 Uh, public benefit corporation in California. 04:48.920 --> 04:49.820 This is really important. 04:49.820 --> 04:52.200 This is the state level exempt status. 04:52.500 --> 04:55.540 And then we go, okay, this is great. 04:55.540 --> 04:57.540 We get that, we file that in August. 04:57.780 --> 05:00.940 We get that on Christmas of 2003. 05:01.260 --> 05:02.680 Christmas Eve to be specific. 05:02.680 --> 05:04.360 A nice little gift from the government. 05:05.100 --> 05:06.700 Well, that's a long time. 05:06.700 --> 05:10.080 That's just an idea about how slow this bureaucracy moves. 05:10.120 --> 05:13.640 And then we decide, okay, we're going to go for the big kahuna. 05:14.100 --> 05:18.600 501c3 status, tax exempt, federal government, our friends, the IRS. 05:19.480 --> 05:21.180 Yeah, they're actually really great. 05:21.420 --> 05:24.300 Um, because they're like, yeah, we can do that for you. 05:24.300 --> 05:29.100 So we file our paperwork with them shortly before our first presentation at Defcon 12. 05:29.380 --> 05:37.600 And at Defcon 12, we kind of gave a lot of people a little 20 minute TurboTalk hint about what we were going to be doing and where we were at, which was in waiting mode. 05:37.940 --> 05:43.640 Shortly thereafter, we, uh, we got our paperwork. 05:43.640 --> 05:44.640 It's in process. 05:44.640 --> 05:47.540 In April, we get a call back from the IRS. 05:48.160 --> 05:49.720 Yeah, that's a fair ways off. 05:49.720 --> 05:54.300 It's like 10 months roughly after we filed our paperwork before we heard from them. 05:54.300 --> 06:00.660 And they had some questions about us and they talked to us about, you know, we had some very idealistic ideas about what our goals should be. 06:00.660 --> 06:02.320 And, you know, we thought it would be really easy. 06:02.320 --> 06:04.760 You know, we'd, we'd get all this money from Cisco. 06:05.720 --> 06:08.780 Um, we'd get all this money from everybody and we'd get networking equipment. 06:08.780 --> 06:09.900 We'd load it on a plane. 06:09.900 --> 06:13.800 We'd fly to some godforsaken place that needs help. 06:13.820 --> 06:17.760 We'd help them and then we'd be back by, you know, Friday afternoon for beer. 06:18.060 --> 06:21.780 I mean, come on, that's what every NGO and non-profit agency does, right? 06:22.120 --> 06:23.440 Well, it's not that sexy. 06:23.440 --> 06:26.640 And Nick's going to talk about not that sexy for me. 06:27.320 --> 06:27.720 Um. 06:37.280 --> 06:38.300 Thanks Jesse. 06:38.380 --> 06:48.980 Um, one of the things the IRS asked us to do when they sent a letter back in response to our initial application was outline, uh, some of the things we're going to do. 06:48.980 --> 06:51.640 There, the tax law here is very specific. 06:51.900 --> 06:53.820 Um, there are very certain things that you can do. 06:53.820 --> 06:56.520 There's structures for churches, structures for schools. 06:56.760 --> 07:01.140 Um, and what we want to do is we want to be the non-profit organization for the community. 07:01.460 --> 07:09.500 Uh, coming up in the speech a little bit later, you're going to hear a lot about, um, some really exciting projects, things going on in Uganda, things going on in Chicago. 07:09.640 --> 07:25.360 And Fraser's going to do a little brief about how we want to get you involved, um, and how we'd like to give your projects, um, a little bit of legitimacy in terms of federal tax law to be able to offer, uh, tax deductible status for donations that people give to your products, 07:25.360 --> 07:26.100 projects. 07:27.280 --> 07:32.900 Uh, the first goal that we have, of course, to get the ball rolling, and we've started doing it at StepCon, is to raise money. 07:32.900 --> 07:41.120 Over the past year, the Hacker Foundation has been running largely through the generosity of the people on our board, the directors, the people who are here from day one. 07:41.540 --> 07:44.160 Um, and raising money is hard. 07:44.160 --> 07:54.820 You know, when we thought, oh, it's going to be gloriful, it's going to be great, just like Jesse was saying, um, the first step to any project that you want to do is raising the funds to be able to go do it. 07:54.820 --> 07:55.400 And that's hard. 07:55.400 --> 07:57.560 It's hard to ask people for money. 07:57.640 --> 07:59.940 Uh, they're wondering what are they getting in exchange. 08:00.460 --> 08:06.420 Um, in exchange, what we'd like to be able to do is involve the community more. 08:06.420 --> 08:09.460 We have an application on our website, hackerfoundation.org. 08:09.920 --> 08:23.720 Basically any, almost any open source coding project, almost any robotics project, almost anything that has some kind of charitable aspect or some kind of, uh, charitable bent to it, can get tax-exempt status through the Hacker Foundation. 08:23.880 --> 08:33.640 And one of our goals is to be able to envelop and to take anybody in the community who's interested in that, interested in raising more money, interested in building capacity, uh, and get them involved and get people networking. 08:33.640 --> 08:39.100 And that's, that leads into the third goal of what we're doing, uh, building infrastructure for the future. 08:39.100 --> 08:46.240 Getting everybody networked, getting everybody together, Hacker Foundation handling the paperwork to free you guys up, uh, to do the intellectual things. 08:46.240 --> 08:51.620 But, uh, I'd like to get, uh, right now to Jim's project, uh, the Ugandan Computer Initiative. 08:51.620 --> 08:53.200 It's a really exciting talk. 08:57.730 --> 08:59.710 Uh, hi. 08:59.710 --> 09:01.950 Um, good afternoon. 09:01.950 --> 09:08.730 Uh, I'm Jim Skyler and I'm the East Africa Regional Coordinator for the, uh, Hacker Foundation. 09:09.030 --> 09:13.850 And my project is UCI, uh, or the Ugandan Computer Initiative. 09:14.850 --> 09:21.570 Uh, this is the prototype project of Hackers for Humanity, which is the humanitarian arm of the Hacker Foundation. 09:23.190 --> 09:40.490 Uh, just about a month ago, I returned from a three month long stay in, uh, Hoima, Uganda, uh, where I was working as an open volunteer with local and international aid organizations, providing technical support and, uh, training at health clinics, community based organizations, 09:40.490 --> 09:43.310 and internally displaced people's camps. 09:44.090 --> 09:48.490 Uganda is, in a word, paradise. 09:48.490 --> 09:54.010 In seven words, paradise with a bomb strapped to it. 09:54.790 --> 10:00.410 When I first traveled to Uganda in 1999, I was captivated. 10:00.410 --> 10:05.690 Uh, the landscape was lush, green, perfect. 10:05.710 --> 10:10.470 Um, the people were warm, generous, hospitable kinds. 10:10.470 --> 10:14.830 With what little they had, they would give me food and welcome me into their homes. 10:16.960 --> 10:26.540 You know, the British actually have called Uganda the Pearl of Africa, uh, which is ironic because you won't find a single damn oyster in the entire country. 10:26.780 --> 10:31.200 Um, and Tanzania's got diamonds, but they didn't get a sweet nickname. 10:32.200 --> 10:39.320 My godparents are Ugandan, and they met my father and mother, uh, while they were studying in Pennsylvania in the late 80s. 10:39.320 --> 10:44.820 And when I turned 16, my father told me that it was time for me to go visit them. 10:45.840 --> 10:52.500 So, uh, 30 or so hours of planes, trains, and automobiles, and we were in Africa. 10:53.040 --> 11:02.340 Uh, now, as will happen with idealistic, wide-eyed young men, um, who see true beauty for the first time in their lives, I fell in love. 11:02.340 --> 11:04.460 I was completely set. 11:04.480 --> 11:14.840 I had spent most of my youth in suburban America, uh, playing video games, skateboarding, and, uh, heck, I never got caught. 11:15.160 --> 11:19.940 Um, and being in Africa really changed me. 11:19.940 --> 11:28.920 It was, uh, it was sort of one of those times where you just know you're going to wind up somewhere for the rest of your life, and as fate would have it, it looks like I'll be able to. 11:29.980 --> 11:36.280 Um, you know, I, oh, yeah, well, it's under his shirt. 11:37.040 --> 11:39.580 I don't have a slide for this one, sorry. 11:40.120 --> 11:40.920 Yeah. 11:42.360 --> 11:44.080 I'm bad at this. 11:44.380 --> 11:50.320 Um, yeah, actually, this is the largest group of white people I have seen in about a year. 11:50.320 --> 11:52.120 I'm a little creeped out right now. 11:52.120 --> 11:53.180 I apologize. 11:53.560 --> 11:53.560 Um, 11:57.060 --> 12:05.620 no, I mean, sure, uh, even when I went there at 16, there's been a civil war raging in the north of the country for about 20 years. 12:05.620 --> 12:06.800 It's still going. 12:07.020 --> 12:20.780 Um, there were tanks upended in ditches, uh, you know, kids running around with dirty shirts and bare feet, and, uh, somehow, you know, even though you couldn't drink the water, it was perfect. 12:20.780 --> 12:23.020 It was just absolutely perfect. 12:23.040 --> 12:29.800 Um, and, uh, you know, really, Uganda is a country in a state of flux. 12:29.800 --> 12:34.860 Uh, corruption, civil war, hunger, and disease are realities in Uganda. 12:34.860 --> 12:39.120 During my first week of my recent stay, I got malaria. 12:39.240 --> 12:44.360 Uh, and for those of you who have not had malaria yet, you are not missing out on much. 12:44.480 --> 12:50.220 Just, uh, delete that from your list of priorities and move on to the next one, like typhoid. 12:51.500 --> 12:56.780 Um, you know, and even most of the roads are still unpaved in Uganda. 12:56.920 --> 13:07.380 Uh, transport is long, arduous, uh, power is intermittent, hardline data connections are unreliable, and, uh, few and far between. 13:07.700 --> 13:19.300 But still, um, you know, it's kind of needless to say that my, uh, blog missed an update for a week or two, uh, and I think I might have missed a couple of MySpace invites. 13:19.720 --> 13:30.800 But, where those limitations might seem to create closed doors, uh, wireless mesh networks are starting to pop up all across even the remote regions of the country. 13:30.800 --> 13:36.180 Uh, expansive GSM coverage, uh, really is incredible. 13:36.180 --> 13:51.260 You see, because hardline data connections are nearly impossible to keep active and running, what the Ugandans in, uh, set up wireless towers all across the country. 13:51.260 --> 13:58.700 I mean, I could literally get a clear, I could get a clearer signal in the middle of nowhere, in Hoima. 13:58.960 --> 14:02.040 I, I could get a clearer signal than I could in downtown Chicago. 14:02.040 --> 14:03.540 It was incredible. 14:03.560 --> 14:19.340 And, so instead of just sort of going with traditional methods of connectivity, they're really branching out into new and incredibly, just exciting, uh, means of creating communication. 14:19.660 --> 14:24.500 Um, you'll even see internet cafes in little one room storefronts. 14:24.500 --> 14:31.840 Uh, they're, you know, on satellite phones, they're irregularly connected, poor administration, doesn't matter, they're there. 14:31.840 --> 14:35.780 And Ugandans are going through their very own electronic revolution. 14:35.780 --> 14:42.820 Uh, you'd be amazed by how many are taught to type in their primary school education system, and they are now using email. 14:42.820 --> 14:50.780 I, I don't think many of them have picked up on Friendster, but they definitely are, uh, are communicating with each other within country. 14:51.000 --> 15:08.400 Um, now, as well as regular citizens, non-government organizations like the Danish, uh, the Danish Cooperative for International Development, MS, uh, the United Nations Humanitarian and Children's Relief Fund, and the International Medical Corps, all, 15:08.400 --> 15:26.420 all three of whom I've worked with, are starting to take advantage of these incredible new technologies, and, uh, to improve their communication and really streamline their methods of just connectivity and, uh, productivity. 15:26.420 --> 15:33.020 Um, they're also using them to preserve client records, which is a problem they've been really struggling with for years. 15:33.260 --> 15:49.800 Um, the big problem that I discovered while I was working in country was that, that the organizations are relying, the people on the ground, you know, in the remote districts are relying on outdated hardware and software. 15:49.800 --> 15:53.340 I, I mean, woefully outdated hardware and software. 15:53.340 --> 16:04.600 Uh, for example, I've been working with a community-based organization, the Hoyma Nursery School, Nursery School Development Association, or HNSDA, uh, extensively for the past two months or so. 16:04.600 --> 16:14.780 And HNSDA relies on its computers to create teaching materials and keep both its financial and client records for hundreds of nursery school teachers in western Uganda. 16:14.780 --> 16:16.780 Uh, that's two of them actually. 16:16.920 --> 16:25.060 And, um, when I first started with HNSDA, only one of their three office machines was up and running. 16:25.060 --> 16:27.980 And what was it running, you might ask? 16:27.980 --> 16:36.500 Uh, Windows 95 on a Pentium II with 48 megs of memory, a completely shot hard drive, and no CD-ROM. 16:36.800 --> 16:39.520 And this was the best that they could get out to them. 16:39.520 --> 16:41.640 I'm, I'm not kidding, this was the best. 16:42.040 --> 16:46.540 Uh, another example is HADFA, the Hoyma District Farmers Association. 16:46.960 --> 16:54.000 Now, HADFA uses its computers to create databases of clients, very remote clients. 16:54.000 --> 17:00.540 These people have no other means of connectivity except for the sort of general addresses that are used. 17:01.100 --> 17:03.380 Um, I got a little click happy there, sorry. 17:03.400 --> 17:12.120 Uh, and when I went to work with them, all four of their donated office computers were completely shot. 17:12.420 --> 17:17.940 All four of them, completely shot by, does anyone remember the hurry virus? 17:18.280 --> 17:23.240 I, I think McAfee 98 successfully took care of it for most of us? 17:24.100 --> 17:25.260 Two days. 17:26.100 --> 17:37.500 What happens is that because so few Ugandans own computers, they take flash drives and floppy disks and can keep all of their own records, all of their correspondence, all of their email logs, everything. 17:37.700 --> 17:41.680 And they just carry them around with them in pockets on chain drives. 17:41.960 --> 17:46.120 And then they go anywhere that they know there's a printer and plug it in. 17:46.120 --> 17:51.180 And so viruses are passed around like crazy because they don't know how viruses are transmitted. 17:51.980 --> 17:59.980 Um, and because there are so few IT professionals available in Uganda, these NGOs and CBOs suffer. 18:00.020 --> 18:07.140 This is not to say that there are no IT professionals in Uganda, it's just that they're even more expensive than they are here. 18:07.900 --> 18:21.200 And the more I worked with these organizations, I mean, they're dedicated, incredible people who are doing good work, the more I realized that they needed a durable, sustainable solution, uh, to their IT problems. 18:21.200 --> 18:23.820 And this is how the Uganda Computer Initiative was born. 18:24.400 --> 18:34.540 The primary objective of UCI is to provide an open source solution to the technological challenges NGOs and their subsidiary CBOs face on a daily basis. 18:34.900 --> 18:40.080 We want to also simultaneously provide training and resource materials to these staffers. 18:40.080 --> 18:48.840 We are talking about the Ugandans themselves so that they can become self -reliant so they no longer have to rely on these IT professionals who are overcharging them . 18:49.020 --> 18:53.240 You know, the cost just for transport from the major city of Kampala is ridiculous. 18:53.240 --> 18:54.860 They cannot afford this. 18:55.500 --> 19:08.620 And furthermore, to empower all of the counterparts so that they can network together and everyone can support each other in sort of a nationwide CBO and NGO network. 19:09.400 --> 19:12.000 Now, UCI has five primary goals. 19:12.000 --> 19:25.280 First, to develop and deliver the stable and workable open source option package for NGOs and CBOs, including an alternative and continually customized Linux distro to replace whichever Windows system they are currently using. 19:25.620 --> 19:32.020 Because these computers are donated and they are preloaded before they come to them, they all have Windows in one form or another. 19:32.180 --> 19:38.340 Ugandans do not use Windows because their corporate, you know, head honchos tell them they have to. 19:38.340 --> 19:40.400 This is not about market share. 19:40.660 --> 19:43.220 Ugandans just don't have a choice. 19:43.220 --> 19:55.200 When the NGOs and CBOs receive these in bulk, in-kind donations, they don't have the resources or the IT staff available to fix them, change them, or provide a stable solution. 19:56.580 --> 20:00.040 Our next goal is to provide comprehensive training and support. 20:00.040 --> 20:01.140 I mentioned this earlier. 20:01.140 --> 20:07.680 This is the training curricula package where we will bring them into our classrooms and train them on a pro bono basis. 20:07.960 --> 20:22.800 The next is to provide donated computer and networking hardware to these organizations on a proven need basis, as determined by an application and approval process to be administered by the Hacker Foundation, Hackers for Humanity, and UCI. 20:23.340 --> 20:33.120 Also to develop and follow a monitoring and self-evaluation program to create quantifiable long-term and short-term goals. 20:34.820 --> 20:48.700 So that the Hacker Foundation and its subsidiaries, the donors, anyone who chooses to donate to this project, will know exactly what we are doing, what our goals are, and how we plan to achieve them, if we achieve them and if we are being successful. 20:49.800 --> 21:02.680 And finally, to implement a long-term sustainability program in which Ugandan nationals will train along UCI staffers to one day replace them, being me, and become the directors of the organization. 21:02.680 --> 21:07.280 This is, if at any point, I decide to come back to a country where I can still get a cheeseburger. 21:08.220 --> 21:19.180 And I have to admit there really is a sixth goal, and that's to promote hacker ideals and open-source evangelism in Uganda and East Africa. 21:19.560 --> 21:23.560 There is no counterculture in Uganda. 21:23.560 --> 21:28.940 There is no culture of closed source or proprietary source activism. 21:29.380 --> 21:37.520 You would be amazed by how open to the idea of free software, an NGO or a CBO, will be, even a regular user. 21:37.560 --> 21:41.540 The idea of not having to pay for a Linux distro is revolutionary. 21:41.540 --> 21:51.180 The savings to international aid organizations and to common individual users across the country who have connectivity will be immense. 21:52.200 --> 22:01.800 I'm also proud to announce another project tied in with UCI and Hackers for Humanity, which is Laptops for East Africa. 22:01.920 --> 22:08.740 This is not, of course, to be confused with the great program being run by the good folks over at computersforafrica.org. 22:08.740 --> 22:11.320 They are doing good work. 22:11.360 --> 22:18.080 What we're looking to do is target specifically Uganda and then Tanzania, Kenya and Burundi and Rwanda. 22:20.040 --> 22:21.760 The deal is this. 22:21.760 --> 22:24.220 We need newer equipment. 22:24.780 --> 22:37.260 And just walking around this con for the past three days, I see a lot of really nice laptops, and I got to tell you, I want them and I want to give them to organizations who can use them. 22:38.000 --> 22:39.960 Actually, are we going to be doing Q&A afterwards? 22:39.960 --> 22:41.780 We'll be doing Q&A afterwards. 22:43.400 --> 22:45.640 Laptops come with built-in UPS systems. 22:45.640 --> 22:52.280 When the power goes out, instead of having to fire up a diesel generator, a laptop just keeps running long enough to do what you need to do. 22:53.020 --> 22:53.940 They're small. 22:53.940 --> 22:54.640 They're portable. 22:54.640 --> 22:56.600 We can transport them easily. 22:56.800 --> 23:01.520 It is easy to ship a number of laptops instead of one or two desktops. 23:02.560 --> 23:05.280 And so what you do is you sign up with us. 23:05.280 --> 23:07.400 We give you a sticker to put on your laptop. 23:08.320 --> 23:20.040 When you're ready to upgrade to that shiny new box that you've been saving up for for the past few years, you donate the computer to us for a tax write-off, and we send it where it needs to go and where it will be used. 23:21.260 --> 23:25.640 Now, again, I'd like to thank you for your time and your patience. 23:25.640 --> 23:30.420 I'm really not very good at this, but remember, please, geeks do come in all colors. 23:30.800 --> 23:34.360 And I'd really like to see some of my Ugandan friends here in a couple of years. 23:34.460 --> 23:35.240 Thank you. 23:46.830 --> 23:50.130 And please, definitely get some of those stickers, because I know I'm getting one. 23:50.130 --> 23:58.190 I would love to see one of those Ugandans with, you know, talk nerdy to me and root me, and I would love to see that. 23:58.190 --> 23:59.710 So send me some pictures, please. 24:00.190 --> 24:01.290 My name is Louis Sorows. 24:01.290 --> 24:04.310 I wasn't announced in the beginning because I was taking care of something personal. 24:04.310 --> 24:10.170 But anyway, I'm the systems administrator for the Chicago Neighborhood Boys and Girls Club. 24:11.190 --> 24:13.690 And the Chicago, it's exactly what the name suggests. 24:13.690 --> 24:19.950 Kids come there, and they hang out with their friends, they play sports, and they just chill out after school. 24:19.950 --> 24:22.470 But we wanted something more for them. 24:22.470 --> 24:27.050 And in 2004, in March 2004, we set up for them a computer lab. 24:27.230 --> 24:28.730 And next slide, please. 24:28.870 --> 24:32.110 And that computer lab consisted of these things. 24:32.110 --> 24:38.110 Five Dell computers, three Emacs, a Clark Connect router, and some wireless access points and bridges. 24:38.110 --> 24:45.110 We were able to do all this with a small donation of about $10,000 from a large financial institution. 24:45.110 --> 24:57.330 We also have some office equipment as well for them, for the general staff, of five standalone PCs, a Linux terminal server project, which is really cool if any of you have ever worked with that. 24:57.330 --> 24:59.690 And Jim already spoke something about that. 25:00.050 --> 25:01.510 And another router. 25:01.510 --> 25:07.210 And we also built for them a Athlon Debian file server and mail server. 25:07.210 --> 25:09.050 But I don't think that's too safe. 25:09.050 --> 25:11.870 But when you're a non-profit, you do with what you got. 25:12.030 --> 25:13.290 Next slide, please. 25:15.950 --> 25:19.110 This is what our lab looks like when we were first building it. 25:19.430 --> 25:22.890 It's pretty sparse, but it works for what the kids need. 25:22.890 --> 25:26.250 Basically, IM, chat with their friends, that's about it. 25:26.250 --> 25:27.670 You know, blogs every once in a while. 25:27.670 --> 25:31.350 They don't do much because they don't know much what's out there with what they got. 25:31.350 --> 25:32.530 Next slide. 25:34.190 --> 25:37.550 Some of them having fun, opening day. 25:37.550 --> 25:38.310 Next. 25:40.390 --> 25:41.510 Next. 25:43.470 --> 25:45.810 And this is our current state of funding. 25:45.810 --> 25:50.250 That $10,000 that we got from that financial institution, it's all gone. 25:50.750 --> 25:59.450 The various hardware donations that we get from the community, pretty much useless because they're Lexmark's printers that they get for free anyway when they buy that other computer. 25:59.490 --> 26:02.630 Then they realize it's crap and then they give it to us. 26:03.310 --> 26:05.570 And Packard Bell, they are still out there. 26:05.570 --> 26:06.870 I cannot believe it. 26:07.350 --> 26:10.610 And then the other one, we do get some private financial funding. 26:10.610 --> 26:12.670 These are some of the people who fund. 26:13.410 --> 26:16.210 This woman is the program director for the club. 26:16.790 --> 26:17.830 Next one. 26:19.010 --> 26:19.950 And that's me. 26:19.950 --> 26:25.290 And obviously you can tell we need a lot of help if we're duct taping switches to the wall. 26:25.290 --> 26:26.650 So you know we need some help. 26:26.650 --> 26:27.630 Next. 26:29.370 --> 26:33.690 So how are we going to use this really cool hardware that we can probably get from the Hacker Foundation? 26:34.010 --> 26:41.810 Some of the things that we want to do, I mean because these guys, they're getting together with some really big corporations and giving you that hardware that they're not going to be using anyway. 26:41.810 --> 26:43.850 So you guys can have some fun with it. 26:44.370 --> 26:46.370 We want to build a local database. 26:46.490 --> 26:47.350 What does that mean? 26:47.350 --> 26:51.570 There are so many community businesses that support the club in many different ways. 26:51.750 --> 27:05.750 We want the kids to be able, once it's all set up, to go to these different community businesses, get some interesting stories from them, get some contact information, photos, and create a nice database that's online for the parents to go research. 27:05.750 --> 27:10.730 Kind of like a good guy's yellow books where they say, hey, these people donate to the club. 27:10.730 --> 27:12.750 I'm going to go support them first. 27:12.750 --> 27:15.390 That way, hey, some of that money will then come back to the club. 27:15.390 --> 27:16.430 All is good. 27:16.710 --> 27:17.810 Maintaining the website. 27:17.810 --> 27:19.410 Some of these kids are pretty good. 27:19.410 --> 27:27.730 They want to learn about website building, but right now our current webpage is a static ask website that was donated to us for free from an alum. 27:27.870 --> 27:30.110 It's nice and all, but it's not what we want. 27:30.110 --> 27:33.410 We want something that's live, maintainable, easy for them to use. 27:33.630 --> 27:43.850 We have over 70 years of historical newsletters that these people have created on mimeographed paper that are still in hard copy. 27:43.850 --> 27:50.130 We finally started digitizing some of them, but we want to be able to create a database of them in PDF with OCR. 27:50.130 --> 27:50.750 Very nice. 27:50.750 --> 27:52.870 And I'll tell you why that's important in a second. 27:53.170 --> 27:55.390 And also we want to create a photo archive. 27:55.390 --> 27:58.050 We have 70 years of photos as well. 27:58.310 --> 28:05.890 The reason is this, because next year we have the 75th anniversary coming up. 28:05.890 --> 28:08.290 We have people coming from all over the country. 28:08.290 --> 28:17.770 Some of these people are 80 years old, 90 years old, and they want to be able to see all the things that they remember in the past, but everybody believes that they're lying about. 28:17.890 --> 28:25.530 So they want to be able to come in, see all the photos up on a big LCD, and say, hey, that's me. 28:25.530 --> 28:30.270 Then they can take a little card, write down that number, go over to another computer, and print it out. 28:30.270 --> 28:32.430 So that way they've got a copy for themselves. 28:32.690 --> 28:38.730 And then what about for their little grandkid that they told, remember I scored that goal during that game and you didn't believe me? 28:38.730 --> 28:40.050 Here, check this out. 28:40.050 --> 28:44.870 They type in their name in the PDF archive and up comes every single PDF that they were in. 28:44.990 --> 28:45.450 Boom. 28:45.450 --> 28:45.850 There you go. 28:45.850 --> 28:47.430 Print it out and go eat it, bitch. 28:47.430 --> 28:48.230 All right, anyway. 28:50.310 --> 28:55.970 Next, we've got a digital jukebox of legal MP3s and Burns CD backups. 28:56.090 --> 29:00.390 There's this really cool software called Tunes that, because I don't know if any of you have kids. 29:00.390 --> 29:03.550 Yeah, they all agree on the same music all at the same time, definitely. 29:03.890 --> 29:18.130 But what this is, Tunes is a democratically designed email, excuse me, email, MP3 server where they log on to the website for it as long as they've got an account and they get to vote which song they want to hear. 29:18.190 --> 29:21.690 And whichever song has the highest amount of votes, that's the one that gets played. 29:21.690 --> 29:22.770 So it's very, very cool. 29:22.770 --> 29:23.690 That's what I want. 29:24.150 --> 29:25.490 Computer repair and donation. 29:25.490 --> 29:29.150 These kids, I mean, they see something shiny and they're like, ooh, I want to touch. 29:29.410 --> 29:32.810 And they want to learn how to build computers, they want to repair them. 29:33.190 --> 29:44.990 We want more computers that are either broken that we can then, or people that send them in, repair them and give them back, or even better, have donations of those dead computers, the kids can repair them. 29:45.290 --> 29:52.450 And one project we want is that every sixth computer they build, they get to keep that seventh one. 29:52.790 --> 29:56.210 And then after a while, you're going to be like, well, these kids are going to be stacking up with computers. 29:56.210 --> 29:58.070 Are they going to have a cluster and stuff? 29:58.170 --> 29:59.750 Yeah, that's one option if they want to do that. 29:59.750 --> 30:10.470 But the cool thing is, though, they get to then choose if they want to, who they actually donate that computer to, which is even more fun, I think, because then they get to see and actually affect somebody else's life. 30:11.210 --> 30:12.010 Next. 30:14.190 --> 30:17.210 These sound like some good ideas you guys might use also in your community? 30:17.910 --> 30:18.770 Okay, cool. 30:19.810 --> 30:21.210 Linux terminal server project. 30:21.210 --> 30:22.630 You saw that lab, okay? 30:22.630 --> 30:23.870 It was pretty sparse. 30:23.870 --> 30:26.830 It was about eight total computers in there plus the router. 30:27.090 --> 30:33.930 Well, we've got it right now where if you connect two Playstations in the room next to us, it blows out half the computers. 30:33.930 --> 30:35.130 Not too much fun. 30:35.130 --> 30:52.610 So what we want to do is set up a terminal server project where we can have lightweight, like Jim spoke about, lightweight laptops which have their own power supply, so on and so forth, and be able to run at least 20, 25 computers for all these kids to then run those previous projects you saw. 30:53.390 --> 30:57.250 Also the web server to host all our online projects. 30:57.290 --> 30:58.610 Events registration. 30:58.750 --> 31:00.810 You guys probably have some kids, okay? 31:00.810 --> 31:05.770 You can't always make your time to go out and sign them up for all these different things. 31:05.770 --> 31:08.250 Go online, register them, and you're done. 31:09.430 --> 31:10.230 Timesheets. 31:11.230 --> 31:16.670 Timesheets for the staff so that way they can just sign in and the administration doesn't have to do all this stuff by hand. 31:16.670 --> 31:17.770 It's really sad. 31:18.190 --> 31:19.390 Next, please. 31:21.910 --> 31:23.110 Wi-Fi for the park. 31:23.110 --> 31:31.650 We've got a really nice park out there and we want to be able to broadcast Wi-Fi out there and just for the people to come in and use, have the laptops, have a good time. 31:32.070 --> 31:36.950 If we can, which would be really great, is to be able to track the scores online, live. 31:36.950 --> 31:39.590 Once again, you guys can't always get to your kids' games. 31:39.590 --> 31:43.090 You can at least check the scores online and RSS feed would be great. 31:43.090 --> 31:52.390 But anyway, you can check the scores online and then say, hey, when the kid comes home, I saw your game, you had a great time, I saw what you scored, that's excellent, and talk about it. 31:53.030 --> 31:55.330 Wireless video cams to watch the games online. 31:55.350 --> 32:01.450 Secured and password protected so that only the parents, well, and you guys, can watch the kids play, alright? 32:01.450 --> 32:02.030 Same thing. 32:02.030 --> 32:05.250 You want to be able to see your kids play, score that one home run. 32:05.910 --> 32:11.130 And finally, be able to provide the classes that the community and these kids have been looking for. 32:11.130 --> 32:13.750 I repair computers all day. 32:13.850 --> 32:19.210 Generally, all spam, viruses, pop-up blockers, all that stuff. 32:19.470 --> 32:28.130 And it's the same thing every time, asking the exact same questions every single time, and I feel like I should just have a tape recorder of myself right there and just play it. 32:28.150 --> 32:31.910 So I want to be able to provide those classes for them so they can actually learn. 32:31.910 --> 32:38.410 And on those eight computers, it's not going to happen, but with what we want to do and with the help of the Hacker Foundation, I think it's pretty possible. 32:38.790 --> 32:39.750 Next slide. 32:41.210 --> 32:50.550 And finally, just, you know, thanks to the Hacker Foundation because hopefully together we can show the community and these kids that there's a lot more to tech and computers than just IMs and blogs. 32:50.670 --> 32:51.870 And that's my speech. 32:51.870 --> 32:52.710 Thanks guys. 33:12.520 --> 33:19.660 So by now you can see that the Hacker Foundation is an official 501C non-profit with a definite presence here at DEF CON. 33:19.660 --> 33:21.900 So that brings up the next question. 33:22.040 --> 33:24.320 What does that mean for you guys? 33:24.400 --> 33:28.840 How can the Hacker Foundation help your projects? 33:29.240 --> 33:33.100 What can the Hacker Foundation do for the entire hacker community? 33:33.560 --> 33:38.200 Basically, as an umbrella non-profit, we can provide you with three things. 33:38.200 --> 33:41.820 Funding, advocacy, and non-profit status. 33:42.340 --> 33:46.480 Funding is often the largest obstacle for a non-profit initiative. 33:46.940 --> 33:52.860 In order to receive adequate funding, some projects will simply work under another organization. 33:59.010 --> 34:07.890 For instance, a great plan would become just another university project or government project, receiving nearly all of its funding from just one source. 34:07.930 --> 34:12.250 While that might seem like an okay idea, the project loses autonomy. 34:15.790 --> 34:22.170 Even though universities have great intentions, they're at the mercy of the school's budget, policy, and agenda. 34:22.390 --> 34:27.910 If a project chooses to work with the Hacker Foundation, funding can come from a wide variety of sources. 34:27.910 --> 34:30.250 And we can work with you to develop those. 34:30.830 --> 34:35.910 The Hacker Foundation will work to keep projects connected to organizations that provide funding. 34:36.090 --> 34:44.890 And also, having IRS 501C tax exempt status means that your project can receive donations just like any other. 34:45.370 --> 34:47.450 The next issue is advocacy. 34:48.510 --> 34:54.390 The Hacker Foundation is all about security conscious individuals working together for positive action. 34:54.490 --> 35:00.870 And I'm sure we're all tired of stereotypes and misrepresentation, and this is our chance to fight that. 35:01.350 --> 35:08.330 Without a doubt, this will also provide more public awareness, positive exposure for the hacker community as a whole. 35:09.150 --> 35:15.930 Finally, as I mentioned before, the Hacker Foundation can provide 501C status for a project. 35:16.270 --> 35:22.470 The process to achieve this status typically takes at least two years and an incredible amount of paperwork. 35:22.470 --> 35:26.890 It's definitely a headache, and hackers aren't really good at paperwork. 35:27.330 --> 35:37.730 By eliminating the headache, dealing with the IRS, and incorporation, hopefully more people will be encouraged to turn their altruistic ideas into a reality. 35:38.310 --> 35:41.950 The bottom line is, the Hacker Foundation is ready. 35:41.990 --> 35:44.930 It is ready to receive your applications. 35:45.010 --> 35:47.190 It's ready to hear your ideas. 35:47.210 --> 35:56.950 We provide the networking for funding, 501C non-profit status, and we make it easy enough as just submitting an application to us. 36:07.680 --> 36:13.100 So hopefully you've learned a little bit more about what the Foundation is about, what we've been doing, if you haven't left. 36:17.000 --> 36:23.600 It's a long, hard road to get over what I call the hacker hump, which is, oh, you're a hacker? 36:23.600 --> 36:25.540 Oh, God, you're obviously a criminal. 36:26.120 --> 36:40.640 And that's not entirely undeserved, because you don't see a lot of things that are like, hackers fly to, you know, bang after, or bam, after an earthquake and do great works. 36:41.000 --> 36:43.980 You don't see that stuff a lot. 36:43.980 --> 36:47.660 So that's one of the things we're also trying to take care of, and Fraser hit on that. 36:48.020 --> 36:50.540 So, I'm going to open it up for questions. 36:51.740 --> 36:52.580 Yes, sir? 37:24.160 --> 37:26.040 That's actually a really good question. 37:27.480 --> 37:28.600 Yeah, yeah, let me touch it. 37:28.600 --> 37:32.400 So the main issue is, you're out in the bush somewhere, where do you get the juice from? 37:32.780 --> 37:34.920 It's not as bad as you think, actually. 37:36.980 --> 37:42.020 Well, there are a number of ways that we really tackle the power situation. 37:44.440 --> 37:47.300 Our biggest problem was not in the cities. 37:47.300 --> 37:50.520 It was not in the even sort of developed rural districts. 37:50.520 --> 37:53.040 It was in the internally displaced people's camps. 37:53.420 --> 38:04.200 In the IDP camps, there would be about one government power line into the entire camp, and chances were pretty good that it didn't have juice in it. 38:04.420 --> 38:08.720 And when it did, it would spike to about 350 and set everything on fire. 38:09.420 --> 38:10.420 Yeah. 38:10.840 --> 38:13.880 I lost too many fridges that way. 38:14.760 --> 38:18.480 What we do is, as you mentioned, the battery gang solution. 38:18.480 --> 38:21.660 The battery gang solution is an incredibly effective way. 38:21.660 --> 38:25.760 You'll see this in a lot of, I guess, infomercials. 38:25.760 --> 38:29.780 It'll be a group of car batteries ganged together and then inverted. 38:29.780 --> 38:34.200 I'm not really a tech geek, but I know we do use the battery gang. 38:34.200 --> 38:41.420 We also have a lot of solar cells that have been donated, but it's a very... solar technology is difficult. 38:41.420 --> 38:42.460 We are on the equator. 38:42.460 --> 38:49.660 We have a lot of sunlight, but we also have... Uganda has two seasons, rainy and sunny. 38:50.000 --> 38:55.760 You can guess which season is less effective for power from solar. 38:56.100 --> 39:06.440 Also, the weather gets pretty volatile, and we have had solar racks, panels, just demolished overnight while we've been sleeping, no matter how well we try to protect them. 39:06.440 --> 39:12.620 Right now, we are using primarily diesel backup generators that we're lugging around. 39:12.620 --> 39:16.640 Petrol's expensive, but when you need it, you need it. 39:16.640 --> 39:24.260 Especially when you've got IMC volunteers using their laptops, they really need that connectivity, so we'll just fire up a diesel. 39:28.460 --> 39:30.100 You want to donate the fuel cells? 39:30.100 --> 39:30.920 We want to use them. 39:30.920 --> 39:33.080 Yeah, we're not that well-funded yet. 39:33.520 --> 39:40.260 Yeah, that's one of the main issues that you see is that, you know, the next... everyone's like, oh, China's the next big market. 39:40.760 --> 39:43.880 Well, it is, but they're already really far ahead of the curve. 39:44.340 --> 39:46.280 Let's not worry about the next market. 39:46.460 --> 39:50.120 Let's worry the market about the next one, the next next market. 39:50.920 --> 40:02.780 And that's one of the reasons that you see a lot of talk about Africa in the NGO world, but we don't want to focus too much on just Jim's project, as awesome as it is, because that's not what the Hacker Foundation just does. 40:02.780 --> 40:13.040 If you've got something else in mind, say mine detection equipment, our nice robotics challenge, and for a lot of reasons, we're interested in that kind of stuff, too. 40:13.220 --> 40:13.880 Yes, you. 40:15.100 --> 40:17.020 No, no, it's actually the guy behind you. 40:27.560 --> 40:28.440 Nick? 40:28.580 --> 40:32.380 He has the funding question about how you, like, manage the money. 40:32.380 --> 40:34.400 Can you repeat the question real quickly? 40:39.180 --> 40:40.200 I still can't hear you. 40:40.200 --> 40:41.540 Could you stand up? 40:48.880 --> 40:51.720 Sorry, got a cold. 40:51.840 --> 41:04.940 My understanding is that, as an individual, I can't call up the Hacker Foundation and say, okay, I want to give organization to, say, the Apache organization, and then give you money and take a tax deduction, and then you give it to the Apache organization or to an individual. 41:04.940 --> 41:10.980 I have to give money to you, and then you, in theory, in a separate process, give it to another organization. 41:10.980 --> 41:13.060 Have you figured out how that works with the IRS tax deductions? 41:13.060 --> 41:17.560 What happens with organization open source projects, they go through an application process. 41:17.560 --> 41:21.020 It's a more interactive process than a bureaucratic process. 41:21.220 --> 41:29.740 What we're doing is determining and making sure that what the goals and aims of each project are, are charitable and fall under our section of the Internal Revenue Code. 41:29.780 --> 41:36.180 Once that happens, it's not a question of you're donating money and earmarking funds. 41:36.180 --> 41:39.240 You, as an organization, go out there, directly solicit funds. 41:39.240 --> 41:41.260 You're working with the Hacker Foundation. 41:41.260 --> 41:45.820 The Hacker Foundation cashes the checks and gives the money straight back to you. 41:45.960 --> 41:47.240 That's all we do. 41:47.720 --> 41:52.360 And, actually, if I can add to that, the other thing you guys do is also the hardware as well, correct? 41:52.360 --> 41:52.680 Right. 41:52.680 --> 42:02.140 And that's the other thing, is that the Hacker Foundation... I was just referring to projects that apply that are looking for ways to be sort of non-profit in a box. 42:02.140 --> 42:15.900 I hope there's nobody from the IRS here because... And in cases like mine, I'm actually hoping for the hardware versus getting money because I'd love to see the money guys, you know, give that out to the athletics department and have kids play basketball with the server. 42:15.900 --> 42:16.520 I'd love to see it. 42:16.520 --> 42:18.640 I mean, it could be fun, but I don't think so. 42:19.200 --> 42:21.300 There's two separate issues going on here. 42:21.300 --> 42:26.640 I think the issue that you were addressing is that if a group applies to the Hacker Foundation, will it be sort of a United Way thing? 42:26.640 --> 42:27.020 No. 42:27.020 --> 42:29.220 It's a much more streamlined, much more effective than that. 42:29.240 --> 42:36.580 But what the Hacker Foundation does as an organization on itself is go out there and actively raise funds for all of its projects. 42:36.580 --> 42:39.280 So we can make our own decisions about giving you money. 42:39.360 --> 42:40.760 And we'd love to do that. 42:40.840 --> 42:50.060 I mean, if everybody at DEF CON gave us 60 bucks or 80 bucks, we could, A, throw a really sweet gas party. 42:50.400 --> 42:52.000 And this might seem familiar. 42:52.000 --> 42:53.120 You're at that party. 42:53.340 --> 42:55.960 Or we could do a lot of really great projects. 42:56.580 --> 42:58.840 You, sir, in the shiny lame. 43:14.730 --> 43:18.210 At this time, we have three, we call these projects. 43:18.210 --> 43:20.270 We should have done a slide about this. 43:20.350 --> 43:26.890 If you think about the umbrella like this, the Hacker Foundation sits at the top and does the money, and then we have projects underneath it. 43:26.970 --> 43:29.410 Uganda, and in this case, the Chicago project. 43:29.410 --> 43:33.270 We also have another internal project, which is capacity building. 43:33.610 --> 43:37.470 You know, we need infrastructure and money, because that's how you make more money. 43:37.470 --> 43:41.610 And then we have, and then we're actively seeking more projects. 43:41.750 --> 43:43.110 So is that what your question was, Mike? 43:50.620 --> 43:52.440 Yeah, I'm familiar. 44:02.490 --> 44:06.830 Oh, are we out talking to other nerds about non-profit-y stuff? 44:06.830 --> 44:07.730 Yes. 44:07.730 --> 44:22.270 Yeah, we throw around words like capacity and IDP and, you know, UNHCR and all that kind of stuff all the time, and we kind of don't say it here, but we definitely, you know, we're definitely in on that world, or we're getting more in on that world. 44:23.030 --> 44:26.050 Most of us are amateur non-profit workers. 44:26.690 --> 44:28.430 But we're working up to pro. 44:28.590 --> 44:29.290 Yes, you. 44:33.750 --> 44:37.230 My personal biggest motivation behind the Hacker Foundation? 44:37.230 --> 44:42.530 Um, I think I talked about this a little earlier in someone else's speech. 44:42.710 --> 44:48.930 There's, uh, two ways you can solve really bad problems, like poverty, terrorism, and war. 44:49.410 --> 44:54.450 You can, uh, buy them out, buy them in, or you can fight them. 44:55.070 --> 45:12.250 If we go to Africa, and I mean hackers go to Africa, or hackers go to Chicago, and we're like, hey, we're really cool people, we want to help you, and we raise them in our mental sphere, and get them trained in our mental sphere, and say open source is a good thing, 45:12.250 --> 45:13.930 and they're used to using open source. 45:14.070 --> 45:20.030 When Microsoft goes to visit in ten years, who's got more feet on the ground? 45:20.450 --> 45:24.430 That's the kind of stuff, I mean, you want to see more hackers? 45:24.930 --> 45:28.330 Go where there aren't a lot already, and make them. 45:28.390 --> 45:29.590 It's not that hard. 45:29.670 --> 45:31.310 Personally, I'm in it for the money. 45:31.890 --> 45:33.090 He's in it for the money. 45:33.090 --> 45:37.130 Uh, but I can't speak to every, I, I've actually studiously avoided that. 45:37.130 --> 45:39.710 We don't try and tell you why you should help other people. 45:40.110 --> 45:41.710 Everyone has those reasons. 45:47.290 --> 45:48.510 And, uh, yeah, we're done. 45:48.510 --> 45:51.130 Let me take one more, because we're that good. 45:51.130 --> 45:53.550 Oh, he's giving me the, lookit, two minutes. 45:53.810 --> 45:54.510 Yes. 45:59.640 --> 46:00.960 Yes, this is what we want to hear. 46:00.960 --> 46:05.040 Yes, I do, we are interested in talking to you afterward about a political project, sir. 46:06.880 --> 46:07.520 Yeah. 46:07.520 --> 46:08.400 Any more questions? 46:08.400 --> 46:08.980 Yes. 46:10.820 --> 46:14.820 Well, you can get a shirt for $20 and it's tax deductible. 46:16.140 --> 46:17.720 No, we have one right here. 46:18.180 --> 46:21.040 And I also have an issue of frack. 46:21.980 --> 46:24.360 Now this I haven't figured out how to give away yet. 46:26.660 --> 46:28.420 How about the biggest donation? 46:31.240 --> 46:36.220 It's an option, I mean, who's willing to buy this issue of frack and write it off? 46:38.060 --> 46:39.140 20 bucks? 46:39.560 --> 46:41.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can do better than 20 bucks. 46:41.460 --> 46:42.680 Oh, I have a bid back there. 46:42.680 --> 46:43.580 Yes, sir. 46:44.060 --> 46:44.780 Huh? 46:45.700 --> 46:46.740 30. 46:47.000 --> 46:48.920 Okay, a little bit more money. 46:49.460 --> 46:51.860 Oh, somebody's checking their wallet. 46:52.800 --> 46:53.880 Excellent. 46:54.200 --> 46:56.420 I like ambition like that. 46:56.820 --> 47:00.380 And by the way, this is kind of our money making strategy. 47:00.560 --> 47:03.620 I call it beg or torture. 47:03.820 --> 47:08.860 Or make Nick Farr eat a really, really big goddamn hamburger. 47:08.860 --> 47:10.000 Yeah, oh yeah. 47:10.440 --> 47:11.200 Yeah. 47:11.760 --> 47:14.560 I'm also having some formal dinners with some rich people tonight. 47:14.560 --> 47:15.920 That'll help too, hopefully. 47:18.180 --> 47:19.920 Jesse, you just got one more question, right? 47:19.920 --> 47:21.380 Yeah, one more question? 47:48.120 --> 47:52.640 Well, actually, the idea is that we don't give them to individuals directly. 47:52.660 --> 47:56.460 They'll be used in the offices of the NGOs and CBOs themselves. 47:56.460 --> 47:59.620 I keep using the acronym, it's non-governmental organizations. 47:59.620 --> 48:01.520 They're international aid organizations. 48:01.840 --> 48:11.660 And the idea is we give them to the organizations because they can then use that hardware to affect the most people, or as many people as possible, more than a single individual could. 48:11.900 --> 48:12.740 Thank you.