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6490	15070	Good morning. Again, my name is Patty Walsh. I am a journalist and I have been going to
15070	21750	DEF CON since DC10. And the topic for discussion this morning is hackers in the media,
21750	33330	misconceptions and critical tools to combat them. Who am I? Am I a, your worst enemy, a
33330	39270	demonic creature from the underworld, something as evil as a cross between Kim Jong-il
39270	46350	and the Department of Homeland Security. It's quite frightening. The big, bad, atrocious media,
46350	56630	or E, all of the above. Oh, yeah, okay. None of the above. I'm based in Vegas, born and raised
56630	63330	here, and you can certainly choose E. However, there is a difference between the media and
63330	68250	journalists, believe it or not, and we are going to examine this further. But kudos if you
68250	77530	chose F. Background on the media. According to the dictionary.com site, which is so
77530	83970	prestigious, media is a means of mass communication, such as newspapers, magazines, radio,
83970	88430	internet or television, and or the group of journalists and others who constitute the
88430	95510	communications industry and profession. Okay, who cares? What does that mean? So, in other
95510	102350	words, we have a collection of all these different avenues of media, but really, what has it
102350	116700	become? And to many, this is what it is, even those within the profession. And so, I would
116700	122900	like to talk about background on the media, rights and privileges, theirs as well as yours.
122900	132280	So, we're going to examine that with the role of media then versus now, kind of preview,
132280	138860	update you on what's going on. Let's talk about some Supreme Court cases real quick,
138860	148040	just to jot down. We got the New York Times versus Sullivan, which was 1964, and basically
148040	156340	what that was is that the New York Times printed a one-page ad in their newspaper discussing
156340	163760	how Dr. Martin Luther King was wrong for, or no, rather that he was right, I'm sorry,
163760	172980	I'm nervous right now, that he was right for actually going through the civil rights
172980	181400	and whatnot during that time. And so, they were against Alabama because of Alabama jailing
181400	197900	him, and so they ran a one-page ad. And essentially what happened then was that Sullivan, who
197900	201540	was one of the police guys down there, said, hey, wait a minute, how come you're running
201540	209180	this one-page ad on us? How come you're talking about, how come you are siding with us and
209180	217880	you are saying things to us which are libel? Libel, to brief you, is written defamation
217880	230050	of character. Slander is oral defamation of character. What does that mean? In other words,
230050	235990	if someone writes something about you and they misquote you, you could sue them for
235990	248090	libel, but there are factors to that. Say, I want to know, say I interview you and we're
248090	255530	talking about some networking issue and I misquote you to the point where it makes you
255530	260390	look bad, where your name is on there, where people are going to read it, and where it's
260390	271110	going to negatively affect you. What could happen is that that is something called malicious
271110	287170	intent. Now, if I do that, I could be in a lot of trouble. You know what, guys? I'm going
287170	292650	to stop here and you've heard about what's been going on with Cisco and everything, I'm
292650	302530	sure, right? Vaguely? Okay. Tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to talk about that
302530	306870	because all this stuff can wait because I think that this is much more important. So
306870	311190	I'm not going to waste my time with this. This is boring me, this is boring you, so
311930	315990	let's get on that and then we'll have some candy and some water and then we'll pass out
315990	322910	some of those books or whatever. Okay, let's talk about what happened to Black Cat. You
322910	331710	guys want to be briefed on it, right? Okay, basically what occurred is that apparently,
331710	335930	and I was not there, I was not in the room when it happened, just to let you know, so
335930	343610	this is what I've heard and what I've discussed with several different sources. I guess there
343610	349270	is this man named Michael Lynn. I'm sure you've heard about him. He is with the ISS
349810	361430	and he was doing research for a group called Cisco. I'm sorry? Formally. Oh, see? There
361430	365930	you go. You just caught me in the act. See, you've got to be careful with the media and
365930	371370	you've got to clue them in because if you don't clue them in, then someone writes something
371370	376210	about it. So you just caught me. Good for you. Always be on your toes. That was a test.
379350	397950	Alright, so he was formally with Cisco and he was doing research. Actually, I was just
397950	401870	briefed on this this morning, too, because I had to do a lot of work the last couple
401870	417480	of nights. And I'm very intimidated of you guys. Yeah. Well, I'm a nerd, too, but not
417480	428700	with computers. So, he was doing work on the routers, the reverse engineering, from
428700	434720	what I hear. And from what I hear, he was doing work on what was sort of like a hardware
434720	441580	box. And there were security flaws and exploits in there. And apparently, from what I heard,
441580	452120	he was working with Cisco for six months on this particular patch that was vulnerable.
452440	462700	From what I've read and from what my sources say is that there is like 80% of all the network
462700	473780	traffic in the world goes through Cisco. And apparently, several different sources
473780	490840	have said that three days before Black Hat, Lynn was going to discuss a serious exploit.
519190	523370	What happened was that it was very sensitive information. And so, because it was sensitive
523370	530390	information, Cisco wanted them to reprint the CD and they wanted to rip out certain
530390	541470	pages within his speech. And so, that was a form of censorship. Apparently, Lynn said
541470	574350	that he would comply originally and go along with this. But Cisco threatened legal action
574350	581310	to stop the conference's organizers from allowing this researcher for a rival tech firm to discuss
581310	590190	how he says hackers could seize control of Cisco's internet routers. Cisco instructed
590190	596410	these workers to tear up 20 pages outlining the presentation from this conference that
596410	604550	Lynn was going to speak at and ordered the 2,000 CDs containing the presentation to be
604550	610990	destroyed. That's like 2,000 CDs. So, they wanted to change that and everything else.
612710	620570	Lynn initially went ahead... he actually did go ahead with the presentation. He talked
620570	716940	about flaws, exploits within Cisco. What that means... excuse me for a moment. Okay, I appreciate
716940	721800	you guys staying with me. Obviously, I've just been briefed on all this this morning.
721900	728180	There have been a lot of changes going on. I was prepared and I just found out about
728180	735740	this Cisco thing. I do know what I'm talking about. I do know what I'm talking about, but
735740	742300	not on this topic. So, I'm not going to pretend like I know what I'm talking about. So, what
742300	747620	my dear sweetheart has suggested is that we just do Q&A, flat out. You ask me questions,
747620	752080	I answer them, instead of me going through all this. And if you want to get up and leave,
752080	757960	go for it, take some candy, do what you got to do, get some water, and we'll be fine.
757960	766740	So, being in light of all these circumstances and because I just found out about all of
766740	772940	this and I haven't done my research on this topic. Well, some of this I have, but about
772940	776900	the Cisco thing, I haven't. And I'm not even going to, you know, front like I know what
776900	782620	I'm doing. So, eat candy, do what you got to do, start asking me questions. I don't
782620	785320	care. You can talk about whatever you want to talk about. If you have comments about
785320	789900	the media, I will handle them and we will take it from there. I apologize if this seems
789900	795600	unprofessional and whatnot. I certainly do. And if you're disgusted, have more candy.
795600	819400	Okay? Alright. Yes? You know what, darling? Can I trouble you to come up to the mic so
819400	822540	that way I can hear it and everyone else and then you can grab some candy, get some water,
822540	825920	whatever. Okay? Thank you.
828580	833660	So, did he release the flaws? And you as a person in the media, do you believe that he
833660	838160	should release the flaws because if he knows about it, everybody else or the bad people
838160	842960	would also know about it. And do you think if he did release the flaws and come out publicly
842960	846780	and say this is out there, should he be prosecuted for doing so?
847180	847880	Lynn?
848040	848840	Yes?
849800	858900	That's an excellent point and thank you for that. I cannot say whether or not I think
858900	863760	he should be prosecuted because, again, I just found out about this, but I'll be honest
863760	869420	with you. There are two sides, even three, four, five to every story. Now, him talking
869420	875000	about this, just clearing it two hours, you know, just putting two hours before from what
875000	881340	I heard and then talking about all these exploits where someone, people have told me that there
881340	891300	was a patch already in place but that administrators weren't aware of this patch or if they were
891300	896040	aware, they weren't told to start installing it, which is a problem. Now, what you bring
896040	900660	up is a very valid point because that goes towards cyber terrorism. As we mentioned earlier,
900660	906820	over 80% of the world's network trafficking and whatnot is from Cisco. And for someone
906820	917740	to stand up here or, you know, at a Black Hat conference and discuss these exploits
917740	926880	and discuss these terrible, like, gaping holes, that can swing both ways. It's kind
926880	931400	of like a pendulum, okay? On the one side, one could see this guy and say, okay, Lynn
931400	937160	is a martyr, he's a White Hat type of guy or whatever, you know, he's really doing his
937160	943000	thing, but at the same time, we have to worry about cyber terrorism, right? Because even
943000	950840	though he had been working on this patch for six months with Cisco, at the same time,
950840	954940	him just discussing it flat out there and telling people and then making it a public
954940	960780	forum, one could say that that even makes more people vulnerable. Okay, well now we
960780	965020	know for a fact that there is this hole, that there is this problem, that there are these
965020	969760	vulnerabilities, well, what are we going to do? Also, you've got to look at it from a
969760	975180	legal perspective of breach of contract. I'm not aware of what contracts he signed,
975180	982200	I'm not even going to pretend that I am, but from what I heard, he had agreed, either
982200	990760	verbally or written, I'm not sure which one, that he would comply and not necessarily give
990760	995300	this speech. Or if he were to give this speech, he wouldn't go into so much detail. And then
995300	1001560	what? Only moments, hours before he gives a speech, yes, he resigned, but that's also
1001560	1009380	an issue of breach of contract. And Cisco is claiming that it was premature and that
1009380	1014560	there were, you know, that this patch was undeveloped. So, you're looking at an issue
1014560	1021720	with now, from what I hear, the FBI may be involved, may or may not be involved. This
1021720	1027040	is also, like I said, I would argue that this is an issue of cyber-terrorism because
1027040	1033620	of identity theft, what not, you never know what's going on. However, could he be prosecuted?
1033620	1040300	That is quite possible. Because not only on a breach of contract issue, but also for
1040300	1045060	exposing this, even though one could say that he is a martyr, and again, I'm not familiar
1045060	1051300	with all the information, at the same time, it's a very sensitive issue. So it really
1051300	1057580	depends on how you look at it. I think it's possible that they could. Does that answer
1057580	1104460	your question? Okay, do you want me to elaborate on anything else? And you know what, you make
1104560	1109520	a very valid point because you go to the issue of freedom of the press and what not, 14th
1109520	1114200	Amendment, we can get into that all day, but no, you're absolutely right. What is the media's
1114200	1119640	job in this kind of a situation? Now, I have read the front story on the Wall Street Journal
1120280	1125900	and, you know, it seemed to be fair, but I don't know, but at the same time, you know,
1125900	1131960	you have all this information coming out and yes, he did release this information, but
1131960	1136700	it's critical information. You know, and people need to know about it. So what's the media's
1136700	1140580	responsibility here? Is the media supposed to just sit on their hands and say, oh, well,
1140580	1146160	okay, you have another hacker screwing around, whatever, or you have, you know, someone who
1146160	1150920	is legitimately concerned for the national interest and the national security of this
1150920	1155800	country, especially in this time, in this type of climate, you know, so what are we
1155800	1161400	going to do about it? How far can the media go to get this information out? From what
1161400	1168980	I read, I guess apparently there were 347 articles that just came out yesterday on this
1168980	1175740	topic of Michael Lynn. And it goes to a stronger point. You know, what is the media's role
1175740	1181760	in this? To give the facts, right? Well, what are the facts? You want to go deeper
1181760	1185840	than that, don't you? You want to get to the core of the issue. Now, I could spout out
1185980	1192760	a bunch of statistics to you, but what's the underlying issue at hand? The fact that
1193480	1199680	we have someone that was willing to go up and talk about this despite the repercussions
1200120	1206120	and, you know, here is the press's chance. AP Wire, a bunch of the wires picked it up
1206120	1209620	and everything, here is their chance to report about this and say, you know what, here is
1209720	1215400	a guy that stood his ground and talked about it and was not afraid to do it. Instead of
1215400	1219920	just the usual, well, let me write about the hacker scene, let me write about how bad hackers
1219920	1224720	are, how evil they are, let me write about how, you know, they take your credit cards
1224720	1230020	and this and that and the other, that's not what it's about. And so hopefully the media
1230020	1237280	will take this, what happened, this event, and they will report it accurately, which
1237280	1241880	probably will never happen. But at the very least, you may get different perspectives
1241880	1247040	on it, and that is the good thing. But you're right. Whether or not he does get prosecuted,
1247040	1252280	which he could, is it a matter of legality or is it something deeper? And that is to
1252280	1257400	be determined by the readers. But it is the media's responsibility to write about it
1257400	1264700	and at least show the different side. Thank you, thank you dear. I'm sorry, sweetheart,
1264700	1265600	what's your name?
1265780	1271700	Yes, my name is Sasha, and my question is, you know, politicians and the public at large
1271700	1279700	have a very negative view of hackers and the hacker community, and that, you know, resulting
1279700	1285840	in laws such as USA Patriot, which, you know, sort of equates hacking with terrorism, cyberterrorism
1285840	1291640	and whatnot. And I'm curious if you think that, you know, that negative opinion is the
1291640	1296960	result more of the media and the desire for headlines and publicity, or is that more because
1296960	1299300	of the hacker community itself? Thank you.
1299300	1312200	Thank you. Excellent question. Here we go. The question is, does the media mold society
1312200	1316020	or does it mirror it? And what does that mean to you guys? You're right, politicians are
1316020	1319220	always spinning everything, media is always spinning everything, who pays whose bills,
1319220	1327500	it's one big giant pain in the rear end, right? However, when the media reports on something,
1327500	1332700	are they sensationalizing it because they want people to listen, or are they reporting
1332700	1337460	it accurately? And most of the time they're sensationalizing it. Why? Is that the fault
1337460	1345820	of the media, or is that the fault of the people? You would say both? Okay, let me ask
1345820	1350600	you guys a question, this is probably the wrong type of audience to point this out,
1350600	1356140	but would you be more interested in hearing about Paris Hilton and who she's marrying
1356140	1362480	and what her dress is for today and how much she spent on this bag, or would you rather
1362480	1368340	know about international issues, would you rather know about where your taxpayer dollars
1368340	1373920	are going, or would you rather know about political implications? And that's where it
1373920	1378540	comes to the forefront. Well, let me just say that you never hear in the media as far
1378540	1385100	as all the good things that hackers are doing as far as raising security awareness, working
1385100	1389780	with corporations, going into the middle of Africa and setting up wireless networks,
1389780	1396140	going to South America, helping a human rights group, fighting dictators and what not, you
1396140	1400960	never hear about that. Now you have the HOPE conference in New York, which happens once
1400960	1405800	every two years I believe, but that is a big problem. And is that because the media can't
1405800	1409160	sell the story if they write about the good things that the hackers are doing, or is that
1409160	1416060	because hackers and other people aren't approaching them on it? So it swings both ways again,
1416060	1423000	but you make a valid point. There's a lot of things going on with the Global South,
1423000	1429200	third world countries, what not, and hackers have done an amazing job in China I believe,
1429200	1434620	they have tried to help take down, annihilate firewalls that the Chinese government has
1434620	1439680	put up to block certain information from coming back and forth, you know, they have
1439680	1446460	done work in the Middle East, they have done work in Africa, and they really, and that
1446460	1450500	goes back to the white hat, black hat thing that maybe you guys refer to, but I don't
1450500	1457200	like, you know, it just depends upon what one's agenda is. And how are we going to educate
1457200	1463700	the media and tell them, you know, hey, why are you trying to get a story just about our
1463700	1467740	negative perspective and how we're these bad, dark creatures lurking in the shadows,
1467740	1473320	you know, and we're exploiting everybody. That's mostly not the case. And what do you
1473320	1477960	do then? It's all about, you know, how you approach them. But you've got to be careful
1477960	1483940	because, like I said, they have their own agenda too. Do most of the population in the
1483940	1488080	United States, are they more interested in hearing about the good things that hackers
1488080	1495480	do? Or are they more interested in the bad things? Or what is good and bad? That really
1495480	1502380	is. What sells? Public opinion polls, okay? How are they going to make their money? How
1502380	1508640	are they going to continue to go for the economy and whatnot? You know, that is the main issue.
1508640	1517080	And if there is, that's what disgusts me. That's why I'm a journalist, because I don't
1517080	1524520	trust what I read. I don't trust what others report on. But, you know, it's not just the
1524520	1529640	media's job to educate the masses. How are they going to do it? Somebody's got to help
1529640	1533160	them. Somebody's got to sit there and say to them, hey, you know what? What the hell
1533160	1538900	are you doing? This is messed up. This is what's going on. But then again, if that journalist
1538900	1545840	is not willing to do the research and to talk to you about it, you probably want to stay
1545840	1553170	away from them. So, that didn't answer your question, but yes?
1553790	1558330	Well, a comment on what you previously said. I think one of the main problems we have is
1558330	1561750	that for every one person we have that will step forward that has valid information, we
1561750	1565570	have ten seen horrors that will step forward and say otherwise. There's just one little
1565570	1569210	bit of a limelight that will get bad information out. There's just nothing but the purpose
1569210	1575370	seen. My question is, you know, it seems like there's a really big double standard. Not
1575370	1579150	only in the media, but the general consensus now of people that, you know, we can have
1579150	1584470	freedom of information, you know, free speech, things like the Anarchist Cookbook. You know,
1584470	1588710	these are things how to make explosives to hurt people in general, but yet if someone
1588710	1592530	releases an exploit that does something just simply with software, we're viewed as complete
1592530	1596950	criminals. It's still information, but we're being prosecuted for it, whereas you can go
1596950	1600650	into some libraries and pick up an Anarchist Cookbook. And, you know, what's your view
1600650	1602510	on that? Do you think it's going to go away anytime soon?
1602510	1616280	Thank you. He brings up a good point, and that is the scene whores, and the newbies,
1616280	1622140	and the script kiddies, and all that. Are they really the people in charge, or are they
1622140	1637020	just basically coming in for the party? And I think that's what the problem is, because
1637680	1645340	usually, I would assume, those that are so willing to talk to the media are not necessarily
1645340	1652720	what they say they are. Maybe they just want the attention. And if they were really interested
1653500	1659300	in talking about the important issues, why would they put their name on the front and
1659300	1667580	everything like that? But he makes a very valid point, because you have this huge contradiction
1667580	1679100	going on. And the question is, how are you going to deal with it? Well, number one, before
1679100	1683400	you start spouting your mouth off and saying a bunch of things that you're going to regret,
1683400	1690920	think before you talk, obviously. Number two, know your rights. Well, what are your rights?
1690920	1698860	Do you have any at all? Anytime that someone from the media says to you, you know, well,
1698860	1705120	can I interview you? Fine. If they take out a tape recorder, and they start interviewing
1705120	1711600	you, and they haven't asked your permission first, beware of what you say. If you say
1711600	1717020	something that is off the record, if you say something but you don't want them to know
1717020	1724080	about it, say that it is off the record. Because otherwise, it may be printed. And for you
1724080	1731600	to protect yourself, you've got to make sure you know what you're doing. Number three,
1734260	1738060	try to do background on the person that wants to interview you. Why do they want to interview
1738060	1742460	you? What's their agenda? What's your agenda? Try to find a way to negotiate it.
1748340	1753200	Uh... yeah. Hi. Thank you.
1754380	1761400	Are you aware of whether Lynn's presentation at Black Hat was scheduled well in advance,
1761400	1770570	or whether this was brought last minute? Actually, thank you for that question. Um,
1770570	1777650	I have heard both from various different sources on all different sides. No, I've heard that
1777650	1784650	it was scheduled three weeks in advance for him to do the speech, and then moments in
1784650	1789730	advance that he said, no, not going to do the speech. Is that what you're talking about?
1789730	1798970	Well, what it would appear to me is that if he was working on a, if he was working
1798970	1810190	on a evidently fairly comprehensive patch for this, and he had scheduled, but he had
1810190	1819030	scheduled a talk on dropping a, that was basically for the sole purpose of dropping a bunch of
1819030	1826830	exploits well in advance, it sort of to me signifies that he never really intended to
1826830	1834570	implement the patch. Whereas on the other hand, if, if this was dropped absolute last
1834570	1844570	minute, it would to me mean that he tried to, but for some reason couldn't or wasn't
1844570	1851370	allowed to implement the patch and felt this was his own, that this was his only recourse.
1852690	1860550	Okay. I would actually be, if you come up with any more, more concrete information on
1860550	1868310	this, this would be a very valuable piece of information to me and I think to a lot
1868310	1874130	of other people. Okay. And I thank you for that. To be honest with you, I don't know.
1874950	1882990	People have told me that he knew about this in advance and people have told me that he
1882990	1889870	changed his mind at the last moment. Unfortunately, Lynn is not here right now to talk about it,
1889870	1899450	but you're right. And where does the media stand on this? Okay. Say they find out about it,
1899450	1906090	when it was supposed to come out, and you're right, that is a very, that is very significant.
1907150	1912030	Is it their job to report about it? Or would they get in trouble if they wrote about it?
1912030	1916430	You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, say someone were to do some investigative work
1916430	1921270	and find out, alright, did this cat know about what was going to be happening or did he change his mind
1921270	1927310	at the last moment? Say someone found out about that. Now, if they were to run with that and say it,
1927310	1932090	that's information, right? Okay. And people need to know about that because that is critical.
1932090	1943030	But at the same time, if they're running, you know, if they say something and it puts Lynn in jeopardy,
1943030	1951730	then you've got a problem. So, I mean, it's kind of like you're dancing around, if you will.
1951810	1956810	You know, you can't really say, okay, well we found out about this so we're going to run the story on it
1958090	1965090	because there may be consequences to that. So, yes.
1968670	1980330	Well, in my mind, I think that for someone to run either way with this, you know, it would be of the utmost importance
1980330	1989430	that they be able to back up whatever statement they made, have sources to back up whatever statement they made
1989430	2001230	on the subject. Because, you know, especially at this stage, the last, at least from my mind, the last thing we need
2001230	2011430	is unfounded speculation. But if somebody has sources that can back them up on this, then, you know,
2014750	2017010	that's central to the whole thing.
2021080	2029480	Because if the rumors keep going around and around and around and nobody knows what's going on, then that creates kind of like this upheaval
2029830	2036200	and then it just gets nasty, is what you're saying. Yeah. Now, I don't know whether or not they know for sure or not.
2036200	2044980	But, you know, yeah, they should come out and say it. But if that puts him in danger, then that's a different story.
2046320	2049040	Thank you for that. Yes.
2050040	2055000	How would you suggest combating the media's misconceptions once an article...
2067700	2073240	terrorist training camps, when there's a terrorist training camp in our own backyard at Hope.
2073560	2082740	Now, right after that article, about three to four months after their article, the author reprinted a response
2082740	2089120	because thousands of people were emailing him just angry at what he printed.
2089120	2094740	And that was a good example of the hacker community going back and saying,
2094740	2099560	what you printed is wrong and you should correct this. And he actually corrected it.
2099560	2110420	But then there's other things that are in most of the general public read while...
2130990	2138510	Thank you. Yeah, if something is messed up when it's printed, you know, say something about it.
2138510	2152460	But at the same time, is it worth it? Yeah, is it worth it? Well, there's only so much that you can do, right?
2154000	2161880	But the fact that you even make an attempt to say, you know, like the example that you just gave...
2163940	2171840	You know, it is... I would say it is worth it. Because if you feel that you gain nothing out of it, at least you made that attempt.
2171840	2175020	At least you stood your ground and said, hey, you know what? You're wrong.
2175240	2181560	Because if you don't make that attempt, then how is anyone else going to know?
2181940	2187860	It's just going to be out there. It's going to be information that's false and floating around and nobody will know.
2187860	2195100	So that's why you should take that stand. And if nothing happens, and if they print something that's false,
2195720	2202200	and there's no admission of error run, that is a form of libel, which again is written defamation of character,
2202200	2211120	which means that they could be sued. So, you're right. Yeah, you could stand your ground, you could write a letter to the editor,
2211120	2240550	whatever, whatever, whatever. Thank you.
2240550	2244310	If the whole community is at stake, that's something that you've got to clear up, yeah.
2244310	2250370	And I mean, we always hear about individual cases, but what is the overall impact?
2250370	2253590	And if that's bad on the community, then you've got to do something about that.
2253590	2260090	And is it worth it? Is it worth it or not? I don't know. You know, that depends on your point of view.
2260090	2262290	But I would say it's really worth it, yeah.
2262290	2269630	Because if they're writing something that's false and it has an impact on the entire community,
2269630	2272330	then something needs to be done. It's no longer an individual case.
2272330	2274530	It's no longer someone going against the media and saying,
2274530	2276570	OK, well, you know what, what you wrote about me is false.
2276570	2284490	They are actually committing libel on a mass level. You know what I'm saying?
2284490	2288030	What do you do with that? You get together with your friends and you clear it up.
2288030	2290610	And if something happens, it happens. Excuse me.
2306290	2307630	One more question.
2309850	2316370	Hi. I think you're doing a really great thing actually being here, you know, actually trying to get the story,
2316370	2319870	trying to get the truth, what's going on. My question is a very simple one.
2319870	2324270	And I assume as a journalist you always want to get the truth in every story and you would report the truth.
2324270	2330290	But my question is, am I correct in assuming that you would always want to report the truth if you can?
2330730	2332810	Then the question is, what is the truth?
2333190	2333750	OK, well...
2333750	2339650	No, but you're right. No, we try to... some people do try to say, you know, what's going on, what they see,
2339650	2344110	and everything like that, and go to different sources. You're right, because you should be objective.
2344110	2347990	But there's no such thing as objectivity because everybody has their own bias.
2348190	2355250	And if you were asked to keep a story quiet for public safety, you know, not create hysteria,
2355250	2357810	would you keep that story under wraps or would you actually report the story
2357810	2359850	because the people would want to know about it?
2359850	2364970	Like, hypothetically, in the last week there's been a bus bombing in Vegas,
2364970	2368410	would you report that story if local and state authorities told you not to?
2368490	2370330	Or would you not report it?
2372350	2375970	It's a tough decision, but I'm curious what you would do, as a member of the media.
2378830	2380210	Thank you for that.
2383610	2385170	I would report it.
2385170	2391830	If it's something that the community needs to know about, and if that's a risk that I have to take, I would do it.
2391970	2398110	Would I disclose my source if they said, I want to be anonymous? No.
2398110	2403310	And that's the same thing you have going on with Karl Rove and the New York Times and everything.
2403310	2407530	I would report it. Now, as a journalist, though, I have to go to an editor.
2407970	2411190	And that's up to the editor. That's what a lot of people don't realize.
2411190	2415630	Yeah, the media is bad, this, that, and the other, but we have people that we've got to answer to also.
2416650	2419990	That doesn't answer your question, I'm sorry. Thank you.
2419990	2424130	Thank you, I'm sorry about all this. And if you want candy, just take the whole bag out of there.
2435500	2444700	Alright, so next we have a presentation on using bioinformatic methods for network and information analysis.
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