00:00:00.042-->00:00:05.000 >> My name is David Latimer, I'm uh security sul- consultant at Bishop Fox. Um this is our part 00:00:05.000-->00:00:10.000 managing partner Fran Brown. Um we are talk is obviously on drone defense. Um, we uh, want 00:00:15.458-->00:00:20.458 to take it? [inaudible] We just had a little technical difficulty difficulties setting 00:00:27.083-->00:00:32.083 up everything. Yeah, you know how dumb a God's, they're not nice. Uh this is my first Def 00:00:39.000-->00:00:44.000 Con presentation, this is his fifth. [applause] Alright. I think they'll come in a minute 00:00:50.000-->00:00:55.000 here. [applause] >> Really want to mess with the guy with the microphone? 'Cause I'll win. 00:00:57.667-->00:01:02.667 Goons. Drunks. [laughter] Ok, yeah, is this one. Yeah, ok, cool. Welcome everybody to Game 00:01:14.417-->00:01:20.167 of Drones. Uh, my name is Fran Brown I'm a partner at uh Bishop Fox. It's a cyber security 00:01:20.167-->00:01:24.750 consulting firm. Helps companies secure their uh, networks and applications. Sorry for the 00:01:24.750-->00:01:29.000 delayed start. It's a good thing I had every install I ever downloaded ever and couldn’t 00:01:29.000-->00:01:34.333 install uh VLC player real quick and few things on the system to get it running. Um, we'll go 00:01:34.333-->00:01:39.333 ahead and get started then. It's an interesting setup, I have to kind of manage this extended 00:01:42.375-->00:01:49.125 mode with the monitor all the way down there. Look behind me. Ok, uh got a lot I want to cover 00:01:49.125-->00:01:53.000 today. I know we're running a little late already. Um, but basically I want to get started 00:01:53.000-->00:01:57.417 with uh a quick overview of the Danger Drone. One, because it's cool, two because we're gonna 00:01:57.417-->00:02:02.417 give one away to somebody in here. Yeah, Whoo. [applause] Yeah, you can handle it. Uh and 00:02:04.958-->00:02:08.958 then uh I I very quickly want to move beyond that and get into some of the drone defense 00:02:08.958-->00:02:13.333 products. And the whole industry of drone defense products and some of the stuff we're going to 00:02:13.333-->00:02:18.583 do in terms of uh testing out these uh fun products. And then uh I'll do a little bit of 00:02:18.583-->00:02:23.208 overview of uh some of the legal landscape and things that are happening, wrap up with uh, what 00:02:23.208-->00:02:28.208 the future looks like. Which is scary and kind of crazy. So before I even get into the 00:02:31.458-->00:02:36.625 danger drone, I want to talk a little bit about motivations. Uh why do we do this talk? Uh why 00:02:36.625-->00:02:41.375 is this important? What are we going for here? Uh, the there's basically a couple angles that 00:02:41.375-->00:02:46.417 this put, for the most part um, when our uh customers come to us and they say, hey Fran, what do 00:02:46.417-->00:02:50.625 I need to know about drones? Or, do I need, what do I need to be looking into for drone services 00:02:50.625-->00:02:55.125 or drone defenses or products or is this something I need to do? I want to have good answers for 00:02:55.125-->00:03:00.250 them. And not only that, but I want to provide a resource uh with this talk and the research 00:03:00.250-->00:03:04.917 could be a uh, to- have answers for people as they ask that. 'Cause if you google for drone 00:03:04.917-->00:03:09.583 defenses right now, you're going to get eight kajillion hits oh and uh which is just basically 00:03:09.583-->00:03:16.083 all marketing material. Um, uh and a lot of it is a complete sham. Um, so I actually put out 00:03:16.083-->00:03:20.083 a real resource that you can look at and actually get some real answers when it comes to 00:03:20.083-->00:03:23.833 drone defenses. How many people here have paid for drone defenses or going to pay for 00:03:23.833-->00:03:30.292 drone defenses in the next year with their company or their organization? No? Alright. Like 00:03:30.292-->00:03:33.750 three people. What are you guys doing in this talk then? I don't know. [laughter] >> If it's not 00:03:33.750-->00:03:38.000 a problem now, it will be soon. Promise. >> Yeah, yeah. Who's worried about for your house or 00:03:38.000-->00:03:43.000 your kids or something like that or? A few more. Alright. Cool. Um, so yeah so uh I I basically 00:03:45.042-->00:03:50.542 started seeing uh, a lot of crazy articles uh and I I had to kind of like peek at them after 00:03:50.542-->00:03:54.792 awhile. You see you know popping or mashable or you see these eagles that are plucking drones 00:03:54.792-->00:04:01.042 out of the sky and these guys with these huge like bazookas. Uh and uh jammer devices and uh 00:04:01.042-->00:04:04.958 and I'm not just finding myself asking, I saw the eagles and I was like, I bet I bet I could 00:04:04.958-->00:04:10.000 beat those Eagles. Like, [laughter] How hard would it be to beat an eagle? Like with a 00:04:10.000-->00:04:14.792 drone and technology? And bring you know nature to a science? Um, has anyone really tested 00:04:14.792-->00:04:19.708 them to see if they work? Um. So that's kind of how it started and I started looking into it a 00:04:19.708-->00:04:24.958 little bit more and the more I kept pealing back the onion, the more I realized that this uh 00:04:24.958-->00:04:30.542 this industry for the most part is, to say its in its infancy is an understatement. Uh and to say 00:04:30.542-->00:04:34.667 most of it is a complete sham in terms of what's out there is probably a little more accurate. 00:04:34.667-->00:04:38.917 Um, but to say it's also very necessary right now uh would also be true. So it's going to 00:04:38.917-->00:04:45.750 be important to be able to cut through that stuff. >> Alright introduction of the danger 00:04:45.750-->00:04:52.458 drone. So, welcome to the danger drone. Uh you see at the bottom there, there's a URL, that that 00:04:52.458-->00:04:57.542 the tiny URL, uh, if you go to that, you can submit to enter into to be the person that wins 00:04:57.542-->00:05:02.458 the raffle. And we will wrap it up and ship it to you. A few people brought up uh, you know 00:05:02.458-->00:05:06.792 uh, you know I I might want to be, have to carry this back through uh the airport and stuff 00:05:06.792-->00:05:10.958 like that, so we figured this would be uh an easier way to do it. Was anyone uh go to my talk 00:05:10.958-->00:05:17.167 a few years ago with uh RF detas-, RFID circuit boards? I gave those out live? That was 00:05:17.167-->00:05:21.125 that was uh a pretty crazy experience. I think, I think like five people got killed in 00:05:21.125-->00:05:25.917 the crowd trying to get one of those circuit boards. Somebody gave birth it was like people 00:05:25.917-->00:05:30.292 were knocking each other over. It was like insanity, so to make it a little more reasonable, uh 00:05:30.292-->00:05:35.292 go to that URL and we'll uh we'll ship it to whoever wins. Uh so quick with the danger 00:05:37.667-->00:05:42.667 drone. Basically uh the the long short of the danger drone is we created that to be able to test 00:05:46.500-->00:05:50.042 out these drone defensive products. We wanted to be able to do penetration tests or 00:05:50.042-->00:05:55.625 product evaluations of people who are selling uh drone defense products. Uh and there wasn't 00:05:55.625-->00:06:00.667 anything to do that. I always kind of looked at it as um, you know would buy a smoke detector 00:06:00.667-->00:06:04.083 if you had no way of knowing that it would ever detect a fire? You need the ability to 00:06:04.083-->00:06:08.500 test these things out. So that was kind of the uh the origin of the uh danger drone. And 00:06:08.500-->00:06:13.708 essentially it's just a pe- pentesting quadcopterIt's base- a a hacker laptop that can fly. 00:06:13.708-->00:06:18.500 It's uh it's a Raspberry pi-based quadcopter. So anything you can install on Raspberry pi, 00:06:18.500-->00:06:23.417 which you can run full Kali Linux on Raspberry pi and it will also fly. Um, for doing 00:06:23.417-->00:06:28.208 penetration test. Uh and uh it has the ability to extend it to do whatever you want to do in 00:06:28.208-->00:06:33.333 terms of wireless, bluetooth, Zigby hacking. Um >> We have custom shelving so you can put 00:06:33.333-->00:06:37.792 your different.. >> Yeah, created a custom shelf mo- most quadcopters have, you know, for 00:06:37.792-->00:06:41.667 the two shelves, one for the battery and one for the flag controller. We added a third one 00:06:41.667-->00:06:45.250 for your your wi-fi Pineapple or your you know whatever you want to add in there to your 00:06:45.250-->00:06:52.167 quadcopter. Um and here is another one you could plug in. Plenty open USB ports on it, so 00:06:52.167-->00:06:57.750 Raspberry Pi default for defined radios. Wifi pineapple, stuff like that. If the payloads stick 00:06:57.750-->00:07:03.875 on it there. So we'll see it. Alright, we were having problems with the audio earlier, so 00:07:03.875-->00:07:08.875 hopefully we have proper sound here. [inaudible video] >> Oh, you can kind of hear it. It's, 00:07:30.500-->00:07:36.500 it's, yeah. Ok, restart this. Hit pause. Hold on. What the-, We're not on, have to go back. 00:07:36.500-->00:07:41.000 Guys you ready for this. Especially on audio. Will hit pause. Alright. Ok so what we're 00:07:41.000-->00:07:45.167 about to see here is uh just a quick demonstration of what you would use the danger drone for 00:07:45.167-->00:07:49.083 basically to simulate any kind of pen test especially over the air. Uh and in this case we're 00:07:49.083-->00:07:55.542 going to use it to hack a vulnerable by uh wireless mouse to uh oh- you know do a drive by 00:07:55.542-->00:08:01.375 at a window and highjack somebody's computer. Ready. We nailed this like in two takes. 00:08:01.375-->00:08:05.375 >> [video demo] oh man my logitech wireless mouse is awesome. All I need now is 00:08:05.375-->00:08:10.375 another cup of coffee. >> We did a submission for the Oscar for uh. [laughter] [applause] >> 00:08:27.167-->00:08:32.125 TLDR, throw away all your wireless mouse and keyboards when you get home. Um, yeah so 00:08:32.125-->00:08:36.667 it's a b- it's a pretty uh pretty easy demonstration of what's possible. Um you can 00:08:36.667-->00:08:40.625 basically hook up anything you want to do with, it was a crazy radio hooked up to that, but you 00:08:40.625-->00:08:45.208 can hook up a wifi panel or anything like that and just derive bys and uh highjack 00:08:45.208-->00:08:50.208 people's networks and systems. With the Danger drone. Um, so got it at uh URL again. Uh if 00:08:54.000-->00:08:59.000 you want to try to get one for free. >> This is like parts and pieces uh uh most of the 00:09:05.833-->00:09:09.583 airframe can be 3D printed we have all that up on our thingiverse if you google tes- 00:09:09.583-->00:09:13.167 penetration testors, that was our project last year, but. >> Yep, the bulk of it could be 3D 00:09:13.167-->00:09:18.292 printed including the custom shelf. Uh ADs, basically a modified Erle Brain three. Uh 00:09:18.292-->00:09:21.500 which is uh those guys are great, they're from Spain. They built the qua-, they basically 00:09:21.500-->00:09:24.917 built our Raspberry pi, basically quadcopter that could fly and we just added the 00:09:24.917-->00:09:30.500 ability to hack to it. Um you could build it yourself or uh, it's even a little bit cheaper 00:09:30.500-->00:09:33.667 now but under five hundred bucks total for all the major components that you would need. 00:09:33.667-->00:09:38.042 About three seventy last time I checked. Um we'll be updating the website with that new image 00:09:38.042-->00:09:42.083 and things like that later today, but already up there is uh the parts list and links to 00:09:42.083-->00:09:46.500 Amazon, stuff that you can do to get it and um it's all up on our website right now. If you go to 00:09:46.500-->00:09:51.500 danger drone dot IO or Bishop Fox dot com, you should be able to find it. And uh lastly, just 00:09:53.708-->00:09:57.792 been great uh, this has been good for testing drone defensive uh products and evaluating them 00:09:57.792-->00:10:01.250 but it's also in general if you're doing penetration tests kind of the advent of the 00:10:01.250-->00:10:06.000 internet of things is that everything is talking over the air now and having a drone that 00:10:06.000-->00:10:10.542 can hack is kind of the ideal platform for hacking stuff over the air, without consequence, uh 00:10:10.542-->00:10:15.958 so it's uh been kind of nice uh to have this capability and now and uh with there being more 00:10:15.958-->00:10:21.417 targets than every. Uh in terms of uh you know hackings you'd be having. Wifi or Bluetooth or you 00:10:21.417-->00:10:26.417 name it. Cool. Ah so that's the danger drone. Ah the thing in the news. Yeah, so. So, uh 00:10:30.417-->00:10:33.833 leaving after this talk, everyone I've ever met has sent me every article about drone 00:10:33.833-->00:10:37.458 stuff that they've every seen and it's been awesome. So thank you everyone for sending me d- 00:10:37.458-->00:10:41.125 di- did you see this, the article? Did you see the it's been crazy. Eh. The news has 00:10:41.125-->00:10:46.875 been great. For this talk in the last couple weeks alone. Um in terms of uh illustrating what 00:10:46.875-->00:10:51.542 we're going for here. Um so three that I just want to point out and particular kind of 00:10:51.542-->00:10:56.542 illustrate where things are at uh in in the industry. Do you get-, do do you guys see this? 00:10:59.375-->00:11:03.875 [laughter] >> We call that overkill. >> Yeah. Can you can you just picture those guys 00:11:03.875-->00:11:07.833 doing it like, go ahead do it man. Go ahead, use use the three three million dollar uh predator 00:11:07.833-->00:11:11.667 missile, uh patriot missile to take out the two hundred dollar quadcopter. I wander if it was a 00:11:11.667-->00:11:17.667 danger drone. I don't know for sure. Uh that they took out. But yeah it kind of illustrates that 00:11:17.667-->00:11:23.083 um and wha wha I I kind of an assurance that this is du- this is a problem that isn't new it's 00:11:23.083-->00:11:27.458 just new to most people trying to deal with air based threats. There are people in the military 00:11:27.458-->00:11:30.167 that are like, oh yeah, defending yourself against threats from the air. Yeah, like 00:11:30.167-->00:11:34.083 we've been doing that for awhile man. Maybe you've seen Top Gun, or yeah know an anything before 00:11:34.083-->00:11:39.000 that like, so but it's a very ya ya know, it's just new problem for a lot of people. A for 00:11:39.000-->00:11:42.333 corporations, for people in their homes. Uh having the ability to fly and need to 00:11:42.333-->00:11:47.333 defend against it now. But it shows that um, uh the military also kind of needs to a they can 00:11:49.500-->00:11:55.125 they can take out I I think most quadcopters go at about forty to fifty miles an hour and I think 00:11:55.125-->00:12:00.583 uh, uh patriot missile goes at like mock three. Um, so they can handle these problems, but 00:12:00.583-->00:12:03.708 they're going to need, it's not really scaleable and they're going to need to adapt as well. 00:12:03.708-->00:12:08.875 Um as this as the threat continues to adapt. You see on the right there as well, it's a 00:12:08.875-->00:12:12.708 one of the pictures, what they call like a flying IED. People are distracting grenades to 00:12:12.708-->00:12:19.083 quadcopters um for to drop them off for suicide missions. Um so as the threats continue to 00:12:19.083-->00:12:24.750 evolve from a military standpoint uh so will the defenses need to as well. This 00:12:24.750-->00:12:27.500 is awesome by the way. I don't know if any of you guys have seen this, but a couple weeks 00:12:27.500-->00:12:33.667 ago, some guy escaped from prison, uh with a drone drop off some wire cutters over the 00:12:33.667-->00:12:38.208 prison yard to him and they they ended up catching him a couple states over. Uh but he was able 00:12:38.208-->00:12:42.958 to break out of prison because a drone dropped off some wire snippers to him. Uh in terms of 00:12:42.958-->00:12:46.250 you know, illustrating the threat, prisons have been one of people leading the way in terms 00:12:46.250-->00:12:50.292 of needing to adopt drone based based defenses, but thus far it's been primarily people 00:12:50.292-->00:12:55.125 dropping in weapons or you know drugs or things like that. I think this is the first actual 00:12:55.125-->00:12:59.083 prison escape based on things that were dropped in by a drone, um but it kind of shows the 00:12:59.083-->00:13:04.542 escalating nature of the threat. >> Big problem for anyone who runs a prison. >> Yeah, yeah, 00:13:04.542-->00:13:09.667 this is a nightmare. >> Alright, so I don't know if you guys heard about this. You all know 00:13:09.667-->00:13:14.042 the wil- wildfires going on in California? There are some raging in Arizona. This guy got 00:13:14.042-->00:13:19.917 arrested for flying a drone near a fire to uh video tape and document it but he was impeding 00:13:19.917-->00:13:23.000 seventeen different aircrafts from fire- firefighting aircrafts that were trying to 00:13:23.000-->00:13:28.083 drop flame retardant and uh got arr- got himself arrested and he's going to be one of the 00:13:28.083-->00:13:33.500 first uh ones charged under the uh well >> Yeah, look at this guys face, this guy is the face 00:13:33.500-->00:13:37.792 of the new threat. [laughter] Look at, look at that mug shot. There is this is a fifty-four 00:13:37.792-->00:13:41.917 year old guy, thought it would make for cool YouTube videos, he was circling his quadcopter 00:13:41.917-->00:13:45.667 around helicopters of firefighters and Emergency responders putting their lives 00:13:45.667-->00:13:51.375 in immediate danger um and he was posting it up on YouTube as he was doing it. Uh and it 00:13:51.375-->00:13:55.750 essentially showed the lack of ability to defend against these things. What they had to do was 00:13:55.750-->00:13:59.208 they were like all of our lives are in danger, we have no way of dealing with this guy, with this 00:13:59.208-->00:14:03.500 quadcopter. We just got to let the fire burn and go home. Like that was their response to the 00:14:03.500-->00:14:09.000 situation. Let it burn. Let's go home. So he goes home. Um which is obviously isn't going to last 00:14:09.000-->00:14:14.833 going forward. They'll need the ability to to defend against uh you know things like that. >> So 00:14:14.833-->00:14:20.042 since we've clearly demonstrated the need for uh this market obviously people, there's all 00:14:20.042-->00:14:24.750 different types of industries that are going to need defenses. Let's go onto the drone defense 00:14:24.750-->00:14:30.458 part. >> Endangering fourteen different aircraft. Fourteen. Substantial risk of imminent 00:14:30.458-->00:14:35.833 death and injury to firefighters because he thought it would be a cool YouTube video this this new 00:14:35.833-->00:14:40.833 quadcopter. Alright. Cool. So that kind of leading the way to the drone defense mar-. This is 00:14:45.708-->00:14:50.542 I gotta tell I I I've had the pleasure some pretty exciting research in my time, pretty fun 00:14:50.542-->00:14:55.167 stuff, this is probably been one of the funnest and probably also one of the most ridiculous. At 00:14:55.167-->00:14:58.500 one point somebody in our company was like what can we do with this, let's be realistic 00:14:58.500-->00:15:01.958 here. And I was like, realistic went out the window a long time ago man. [laugher] Like, we're 00:15:01.958-->00:15:07.167 getting falcons that ger- go after eagl- eagles going after drones, you know, air to air 00:15:07.167-->00:15:12.333 hea- combat going on, like I don't know where realistic fits in. Um just to give you kind of 00:15:12.333-->00:15:15.125 a break down of what the different products are that people are pushing out there 00:15:15.125-->00:15:19.917 right now. Is uh you have basically air to air and ground to air for the most part. Most 00:15:19.917-->00:15:26.042 are net based. You have people who are shooting nets up at drones from the ground, or um, 00:15:26.042-->00:15:31.208 you know drones themselves either with big nets or shooting nets out of other drones. You 00:15:31.208-->00:15:36.917 have predator birds plucking drones out of the sky. Um, as well as uh lasers which are 00:15:36.917-->00:15:43.250 pretty fun. Uh they run about eleven million dollars a pop though so we didn't get access 00:15:43.250-->00:15:49.042 to one of those. Um. [laughter] Yeah. But a so ho- he- this this is what I was seeing in the 00:15:49.042-->00:15:53.333 news, one article and then I was like, hey I gotta look into this. This is this is crazy. Um 00:15:53.333-->00:15:57.875 a couple popular examples that you might see, you got a little first person view of the eagle 00:15:57.875-->00:16:04.208 coming in with a vengeance. Uh in the middle top there, I sent that to every single person I 00:16:04.208-->00:16:10.292 know saying for Christmas this year, I want one of these guys. [laughter] Um, yeah, nobody, 00:16:10.292-->00:16:13.625 huh, we found out they cost about eighty grand a pop and everyone was like we don't love 00:16:13.625-->00:16:17.625 you that much, you're not going to get one of these for Christmas. Uh you see some dog 00:16:17.625-->00:16:21.625 fighting going on there. Looks like Top Gun, you know they're getting good missile tone and 00:16:21.625-->00:16:26.542 shooting a net at another drone. Uh, we'll see here we did uh, we actually got the test out in the 00:16:26.542-->00:16:30.875 dessert. Kind of one of these guys in the bottom left which is a a faster bigger drone. This 00:16:30.875-->00:16:37.833 has a big net dangling from it that it comes and sweeps up your drone in the sky. Um, pretty 00:16:37.833-->00:16:42.833 simple solution right. Uh and uh you got some one of the bazooka jammers there. As well as 00:16:44.917-->00:16:50.167 another one that's shooting uh a net at a and then actually capturing it on the bottom right 00:16:50.167-->00:16:55.167 there. Um so where this is right now. Eh uh basically uh 2017 was the year of the drone, both 00:17:00.333-->00:17:05.917 consumer wise and business wise. People are adopting drones. It went from that weird RFC toy 00:17:05.917-->00:17:11.083 store on the bottom uh corner of the mall to you can get them at the grab aisle in CVS and 00:17:11.083-->00:17:16.125 Walgreens now. That's kind of like the the transition of things going mainstream. And uh 00:17:16.125-->00:17:21.125 uh with that as well people are predicting that by 2022 that the drone defense product industry 00:17:23.833-->00:17:28.125 is going to be a billion dollar industry as well. So everyone is trying to get in on this right 00:17:28.125-->00:17:33.708 now. Ah, we did a research, you're not meant to see this, but just give you a 00:17:33.708-->00:17:37.292 overwhelming, both slides will be available for download as well, but there was eighty-six 00:17:37.292-->00:17:43.667 different products uh that we looked at um that were drone defensive products in some way. 00:17:43.667-->00:17:48.667 Uh from the patriot missile to lasers to the net bazookas to the big flying swooping nets um 00:17:51.000-->00:17:54.875 and it depending on, one of the interesting things is if you read a top ten drone defense 00:17:54.875-->00:17:59.833 products, uh uh report that you could buy out there or somebody you know somebody put together a 00:17:59.833-->00:18:04.958 top five, they're all different. You might get a different ten depending on which report you 00:18:04.958-->00:18:09.042 read. Which is weird, right? Like if you read a top ten life hackers top ten you know 00:18:09.042-->00:18:14.833 whatever uh you know, software for doing your taxes, most of them will be the same depending 00:18:14.833-->00:18:19.375 on where you're looking at right? This was all over the board. Uh there is no fancier 00:18:19.375-->00:18:23.250 code when it comes to drone defensive products right now. And you have a whole crowd set 00:18:23.250-->00:18:28.708 of people that want access to that billion dollars coming up. It really just depends on your 00:18:28.708-->00:18:35.292 situation. Uh, what this has led to is uh making an extremely hard for security professions to 00:18:35.292-->00:18:39.667 get any straight answers uh whatsoever. So this is just, anybody here from department 00:18:39.667-->00:18:46.375 thirteen? Is there, no? I see part of this you're not going to like. Just slides right? Maybe 00:18:46.375-->00:18:52.083 not put your hand up. But this is this is kind of a perfect illustrative example of what is 00:18:52.083-->00:18:57.208 occurred due to all this money coming up. Everyone wanting to get in on this. Uh this .pdf 00:18:57.208-->00:19:01.917 isn't up anymore but its on the way back machine you get access to it. Ha. They put themselves, 00:19:01.917-->00:19:05.625 they did a little matrix of some of the different drone defensive products up there. You can see 00:19:05.625-->00:19:10.833 they put themself in the top right quadrant above like Lockheed Martin and Boeing and 00:19:10.833-->00:19:15.875 uh who have million dollar lasers to shoot down like mags and. So the- they're all the way 00:19:15.875-->00:19:20.958 up in the top right. This was on the fourth of July 2016. They didn't even have a b dot one oh 00:19:20.958-->00:19:26.875 product to sell until six months later. They had nothing except marketing material. And they had 00:19:26.875-->00:19:31.125 a lot of really slick marketing material. I mean I'm reading like New York Times articles and 00:19:31.125-->00:19:35.208 I'm reading Reuter’s articles. You would think all these things are real. Oh hey I've read about 00:19:35.208-->00:19:38.542 that and I saw here and gives it the appearance of legitimacy. Most people learning have a 00:19:38.542-->00:19:42.542 product to sale. But based on the amount of money they've already funneled into marketing 00:19:42.542-->00:19:47.042 you'd think they'd be on version eight of a product version nine's coming out next month. Uh 00:19:47.042-->00:19:52.625 and they de- de- they don't have anything to sale you. And uh, I I had money, I wanted to buys 00:19:52.625-->00:19:56.458 some of these products and it was difficult to do it. Uh I always get e-mails back from 00:19:56.458-->00:20:03.000 their CEO. Uh saying we can't sell it to you, I think its running in like a house. But um. 00:20:03.000-->00:20:06.583 >> Here's a perfect example of great marketing material that doesn't really make sense. Um. 00:20:06.583-->00:20:11.500 >> Sa- Same company this one that wasn't even out yet. It was uh how do they take down drones. 00:20:11.500-->00:20:17.333 Um they mesmerize them. [laughter] With that th- and the product is Mesmer. And it's 00:20:17.333-->00:20:23.083 magic. Uh, what it actually did, what it actually does tot ake a drone out of the sky. I have no 00:20:23.083-->00:20:28.083 idea. No idea whatsoever. Other that it mesmerizes it. So you know I strongly suspect that uh 00:20:30.458-->00:20:34.833 that maybe we can only, I can only imagine uh what it's actually doing. Maybe they 00:20:34.833-->00:20:39.583 didn't even decide what it's going to do yet, so they just put some ones and zeros. Um, uh 00:20:39.583-->00:20:43.917 we're going to go on some of these now, but if you guys uh haven't had a chance to check it 00:20:43.917-->00:20:48.542 out yet, we did uh, we went out to the desert with a lot of these products. Um got a lot of 00:20:48.542-->00:20:52.792 sunburn. Like a hundred and ten degrees out in Arizona. A lot of really cool drone defensive 00:20:52.792-->00:20:58.083 products with uh and wired did an exclusive uh there's some video up on there. Uh where you 00:20:58.083-->00:21:02.958 can check out some of the exclusive video of us testing out a lot of these products. I 00:21:02.958-->00:21:07.958 don't want to spend too much time time on de- detection mechanisms because the drone 00:21:10.875-->00:21:14.625 defensive products kind of break down the detection and then the more interesting response. 00:21:14.625-->00:21:18.583 There's a lot of people in the detection game, whether it's just you know radar or acoustic 00:21:18.583-->00:21:22.917 or you know all kinds of fun stuff coming out, just to, just to be able to tell you that hey 00:21:22.917-->00:21:28.250 there is a drone in your sky outside your building. You know or near you. Um one of the more 00:21:28.250-->00:21:32.958 popular ones is uh Dedrone. And a lot of, you're seeing a, you're starting to see a lot of 00:21:32.958-->00:21:38.042 collapsing of people who are implementing uh response products are starting to partner 00:21:38.042-->00:21:42.542 up with companies like Dedrone too. You you spot that there's a drone there first and then our 00:21:42.542-->00:21:47.292 eagle will come in you know and and swoop it out of the sky. You know so its joint partnership. 00:21:47.292-->00:21:52.292 Um. Yeah. So co- hey. Couple those. Interesting use case with this uh, the drone shield is um, 00:21:56.833-->00:22:00.542 we're seeing a a one of the earlier adopters of these drone defensive products is when they 00:22:00.542-->00:22:05.375 were filming the new star wars movies, th- the first one of the new batch. And people were 00:22:05.375-->00:22:10.083 releasing footage of scene before the movie came out because they were flying over uh 00:22:10.083-->00:22:15.208 the sets. And uh getting uh video footage of it. So um people ask them like how do we 00:22:15.208-->00:22:20.917 prevent these drones from form uh you know getting any spoiler alerts on what's going on with 00:22:20.917-->00:22:26.333 Hans Solo or cause you haven't seen it yet, I won't say. Uh but um yeah so it's a real it's a 00:22:26.333-->00:22:33.167 real problem. And a real threat. And a few more. Airports are adopting them. Although I talked 00:22:33.167-->00:22:37.833 to somebody at the Denver airport. And nobody seemed to know what I was talking about. 00:22:37.833-->00:22:42.500 With this uh at Denver airport implementing Air-fence. To be able to track uh you know 00:22:42.500-->00:22:46.917 they're piloting this, nobody, nobody there seemed to know what the heck I was talking about. So 00:22:46.917-->00:22:52.000 I don't know if its real or not. Predator birds. Ok. So now we're getting into the fun stuff. So 00:22:52.000-->00:22:57.708 that was just detection mechanisms. So drone defensive products for a response. You've 00:22:57.708-->00:23:04.042 a you've detected a rogue drone in your vicinity. What are you going to do now? So if you read 00:23:04.042-->00:23:08.917 any uh, if you read any articles about, you know, Dutch police have implemented eagles to to 00:23:08.917-->00:23:12.958 defend about drones or the French military has done this. This is all one company. This is 00:23:12.958-->00:23:16.708 all one company that does all this. Every article that you've read. It's all one company. Uh 00:23:16.708-->00:23:22.250 guards from above. How much do you think uh one eagle costs? Guesses? [audience guesses] 00:23:22.250-->00:23:27.250 Right there, how much, how much do you think one eagle costs. >> 15K. >> 15K. >> 100K. >> 100K. 00:23:31.542-->00:23:37.417 >> Two million. [audience] >> Three million. What is the price is right. Yeah. >> Too low. >> 00:23:37.417-->00:23:42.458 One dollar, one dollar. [laughter] >> Ok. Ok. Anymore? [audience] >> Seventy-five 00:23:42.458-->00:23:46.625 thousand. Ten mil- ten million. What kind of eagles do you think they got man? [laughter] >> They 00:23:46.625-->00:23:53.250 don't crap gold or anything. Yeah. So uh I was able to get access to and just getting 00:23:53.250-->00:23:57.500 access to prices on this stuff, this is all kept close to the vest. Um we put an app that kind 00:23:57.500-->00:24:02.042 of researched but I was digging to get prices on these kind of products and one of the things I 00:24:02.042-->00:24:06.375 took away from this research is these people have no idea what to charge for drone defensive 00:24:06.375-->00:24:11.750 products. They are just throwing it out there. Ah, it's going to be four- te- -ty thousand 00:24:11.750-->00:24:17.417 dollars? Uh no, a gah I'll see if you flinch or not. Um it is well, oh. See competing products 00:24:17.417-->00:24:22.333 might be five grand and one might be ninety-five grand uh that do the same exact thing. Um 00:24:22.333-->00:24:28.208 but in this particular case uh the initial cost for one eagle is a hundred and fifty-six 00:24:28.208-->00:24:33.000 thousand dollars. For one eagle. They live eighty years, but they're only mission capable for 00:24:33.000-->00:24:38.000 forty years. Um, what do you do with the other forty years? Let it be your best friend. Uh. 00:24:40.875-->00:24:44.750 [laughter] Um and it's another seven grand a year on top of that for maintenance and food 00:24:44.750-->00:24:49.542 and stuff like that. Yeah, so quite an investment. So I don't know who they are selling to. If 00:24:49.542-->00:24:52.167 they're selling to the crowd that are wasting a three million dollar a missile on a 00:24:52.167-->00:24:56.667 quadcopter, maybe they are like this is a bargain, you should go for this. [laughter] I don't 00:24:56.667-->00:25:02.458 know. Um, yeah. That's what we didn't get access to one. Needless to say. Um, we did uh 00:25:02.458-->00:25:06.542 do you want to tell them about going up with the falcon? >> Yeah, uh so we tried we actually 00:25:06.542-->00:25:11.708 tried this uh to try to try to do this in Arizona. Uh we tried to get, there's only one um 00:25:11.708-->00:25:17.000 group that does like falconry. Um Arizona Falconers. There's only fourteen in the entire... 00:25:17.000-->00:25:21.458 >> You want to know anything about falconry or eagles or the market. The two people over here 00:25:21.458-->00:25:24.875 can tell you anything and everything you ever wanted to know about falcons and falconry. 00:25:24.875-->00:25:30.250 >> TLDR it's not uh an effective drone solution for the U.S. because of the animal protection 00:25:30.250-->00:25:34.417 laws. In Britain and the U.K. and you know places in Europe, they don't really care if you 00:25:34.417-->00:25:37.833 want to own a falcon. But in America you can only... >> Yeah, this will never fly in the 00:25:37.833-->00:25:41.083 United States. >> You can only own one if you're rehabilitating it [laughter] >> No pun. For the 00:25:41.083-->00:25:46.458 whole family. >> Yeah, you can't use it for commercial purpose. So unfortunately it was a no go 00:25:46.458-->00:25:51.792 for the uh test video. But we tried. >> Yeah, uh we did we did get to see one falcon they were 00:25:51.792-->00:25:55.917 going to try to help us out and it just, it just stood there. It just sat there. >> It's like 00:25:55.917-->00:26:01.667 nah. >> Nah. So like yeah, if co- I don't feel like it today. [laughter] >> He. Yeah, so in 00:26:01.667-->00:26:05.625 terms of security I was like WSPOs was like I never want to work with animals or kids 00:26:05.625-->00:26:09.167 because you never know they're going to do. Um it'd be like having a firewall that like I'm 00:26:09.167-->00:26:13.375 kind of tired today, I'm not going to block stuff. You know. Like, not exactly reliable. 00:26:13.375-->00:26:18.375 Reputable solution. Now with all this. This is hypothetical, this is hypothetical. It's highly 00:26:22.417-->00:26:27.417 hypothetical. All I'm saying is is that I think I can beat an eagle or a falcon. There are 00:26:29.542-->00:26:34.542 counter measures. Now if we had gotten access to one, I was going to do, so you'll see the 00:26:34.542-->00:26:38.250 kind of counter of these, uh, what are the weaknesses in these different approaches. And at 00:26:38.250-->00:26:42.458 least as I see them uh and how do we try to exploit them. So I would have went for the carrot 00:26:42.458-->00:26:46.833 instead of the stick. I would have went for bacon wrapped mice counter measures. I'm almost 00:26:46.833-->00:26:52.583 positive that it would have went for the food instead of my drone. If I dropped it off. But 00:26:52.583-->00:26:57.750 you know. If it did want to play rough. You know I- I I don't know. Yeah, automatic 00:26:57.750-->00:27:02.750 identification and in response, uh should not be that difficult giving what's out there right 00:27:06.208-->00:27:12.042 now. Hypothetical. Ok, drones shooting. Um, again uh next Christmas if anyone wants to get 00:27:12.042-->00:27:16.708 me one uh these things look awesome. I don't know if they work as well as they do, but 00:27:16.708-->00:27:22.208 these things run about seventy to eighty grand. Uh they are one of the more popular uh can- like 00:27:22.208-->00:27:27.375 cannon launch nets. With the heat seeking and do it even deploys a parachute with it so 00:27:27.375-->00:27:33.417 it doesn't uh ha- it doesn't actually break the drone. Um, so you're going to see different 00:27:33.417-->00:27:39.042 models right? You're going to see the slow motion flashlike kind of form factor to shoot 00:27:39.042-->00:27:44.042 down drones. Which at maybe a little more realistic for um, one thing I want to point out, 00:27:44.042-->00:27:48.167 there is no best drone solution. Right? And in doing this you're gonna have to look at your 00:27:48.167-->00:27:53.917 scenario. Uh what uh interms of a drone defensive solution for a warden who's trying to guard a 00:27:53.917-->00:27:58.917 prison yard versus people who are trying to protect a movie studio or a set, uh versus a 00:28:01.125-->00:28:04.750 someone that's trying to protect a celebrity from paparazzi drones, they're going to have 00:28:04.750-->00:28:08.000 different needs and different use cases that will necessitate different uh solutions. You 00:28:08.000-->00:28:10.000 might not have access to different kinds of uh uh the prison warden might have access 00:28:10.000-->00:28:15.000 to more options then a normal person uh this flashlight is pretty handy for. If you look at 00:28:20.167-->00:28:23.042 the different kind of breakdowns, you have a prison yard is something that is a 00:28:23.042-->00:28:29.417 fixed location you want to defend permanent, right? The uh star ward film set is a fixed 00:28:29.417-->00:28:34.333 location that isn't permanent. It's not going to be there forever. Um if you are guarding 00:28:34.333-->00:28:38.667 Kendra and if you've ever seen that I won't bust it out you know Kendra the TV show. You 00:28:38.667-->00:28:43.458 guys know, you guys know what I'm talking about. Um, and when she had drones in her yard, if 00:28:43.458-->00:28:47.583 you're defending a celebrity that's mobile uh and is in a fixed location, having a little 00:28:47.583-->00:28:53.375 flashlight that you can go around with you, you can shoot out, is an ideal solution. Yeah, 00:28:53.375-->00:28:58.208 so how can I beat these things, right? So I started looking at, you got these eighty thousand 00:28:58.208-->00:29:03.208 dollar net cannons. Um you have hundred thousand dollar uh, uh fighter drones that shoot nets 00:29:05.750-->00:29:10.333 out at you. Though most of these defense solutions are net based. And most of them are really 00:29:10.333-->00:29:14.500 light nets, because it's gotta carry themselves and it's gotta shoot them. So they rely not on 00:29:14.500-->00:29:18.667 the weight of net pulling you do, they rely on the net getting caught up in your motors. Mo- 00:29:18.667-->00:29:23.792 most of these defenses is tens of thousands dollar defenses, uh to be able to take down your 00:29:23.792-->00:29:28.333 drone. So I thought could I beat some of these uh the flashlight ones are like six seven hundred 00:29:28.333-->00:29:33.708 bucks. Uh uh some of the other ones are like you know twenty thirty grand. Um could I beat it 00:29:33.708-->00:29:38.708 with like fifteen dollars worth of chicken wire. Um and the answer is yes. We could. 00:29:41.042-->00:29:44.958 [laughter] >> So. Counter measures yeah can we get around or ten. Alright. We'll want to. 00:29:44.958-->00:29:51.333 We'll do some videos here. So this one I think we're testing out the net gun counter friend. 00:29:51.333-->00:29:54.750 Um counter measure. [video demo] >> This is Fran Brown from Bishop Fox and we're testing a 00:29:54.750-->00:30:01.292 net gun, but variety, which is a gun that we wired with chicken wire. >> So and take the time to 00:30:01.292-->00:30:08.083 appreciate how good of a shot this is. Oh. So that's the flashlight based model. that's 00:30:08.083-->00:30:14.042 about twenty feet. So products that go forty-five feet. I would think it would go forty-five 00:30:14.042-->00:30:21.542 feet. >> You would think. [video demo] >> See most net based projectile uh drone defense 00:30:21.542-->00:30:25.833 weapons uh need to be light to get further, so the the weight itself won't weigh down the 00:30:25.833-->00:30:30.792 drone. They rely on getting caught up in the motors to make a drone crash. Uh just some 00:30:30.792-->00:30:34.750 simple like twenty dollar chicken wire bubble around this was enough to prevent the the 00:30:34.750-->00:30:41.250 net from falling into the motors and allowed us to still be able to fly. Um, just. >> Ten dollar 00:30:41.250-->00:30:44.667 chicken wire and zip ties. Effective drone defense. >> That's just chicken wire and zip 00:30:44.667-->00:30:49.208 ties that I wrapped around and uh stop it. [applause] >> We defeated your eighty thousand 00:30:49.208-->00:30:53.917 dollar net gun. >> Uh, I know we're running uh, I know we're running short on time, so just 00:30:53.917-->00:30:59.042 in case I don't get to it, I was talking to one of the other air to airbased net uh uh people who 00:30:59.042-->00:31:02.750 sell products and I was explaining how I was going to use the chicken wire. They're 00:31:02.750-->00:31:05.583 like what kind of test you running? Uh we have a prototype, maybe we can send it t you and 00:31:05.583-->00:31:09.083 get it going? I explained what I was going to do. And they're like, uh no, maybe, I don't 00:31:09.083-->00:31:12.750 think we could sell you are product 'cause I don't think it's gonna work. Uh. [inaudible] 00:31:12.750-->00:31:27.333 This one. So yeah so there's plenty of uh net guards out there and people have do it 00:31:27.333-->00:31:31.125 yourself ones, but oh those flashlight ones go for like five six hundred uh seven hundred 00:31:31.125-->00:31:37.042 bucks in some cases. And now. I will say, we have one demo for this guy. Have any of you guys 00:31:37.042-->00:31:42.042 seen these like shotgun shells? With nets in them? Uh these these worked way better than I 00:31:42.042-->00:31:45.500 thought they were going to work and the cheapest out of anything we tested. It's about twenty 00:31:45.500-->00:31:49.708 bucks for three shells. And uh they were the only net based thing that we tested that 00:31:49.708-->00:31:54.458 actually beat my chickenwire cage. Uh because it's basically still shooting even as a net, 00:31:54.458-->00:31:58.625 it's basically shooting metal out of a shotgun. And stuff. >> Punched a hole right through the 00:31:58.625-->00:32:06.458 net. >> Punched a hole right uh. [laughter] [video demo] >> First uh, we're gonna go ahead and try 00:32:06.458-->00:32:12.250 a sky net shotgun shells. Uh which are twelve gauge shotgun shells that have deploy a net uh 00:32:12.250-->00:32:16.042 specifically to try to take down droves. >> This kind of shotgun shells are one of the simpler 00:32:16.042-->00:32:20.375 drone defense options available. Just twenty dollars for three and they can be fired from any 00:32:20.375-->00:32:23.625 traditional shotgun. The difference of course is the netting which wraps around the 00:32:23.625-->00:32:28.208 drones propellors and take it down. >> Sky nets are extremely effective and cheapest out of 00:32:28.208-->00:32:32.417 all solutions by far. From seventy feet out it took them three to five shots per drone. 00:32:32.417-->00:32:38.625 >> That's the metal piece that went into that. >> So you can see this. >> So we can see here 00:32:38.625-->00:32:45.208 looks like if we. >> Shoot out of the sky. >> [inaudible video] right here do you that he blew a 00:32:45.208-->00:32:48.875 hole in the metal piece that went straight through it. [laughter] >> Yeah, so we just 00:32:48.875-->00:32:59.292 put some like cartoon like shockgun holes in in the uh chickenwire there. Um, and we 00:32:59.292-->00:33:05.125 when you think like net you know ammo you think somewhat safe or partially safe, this I I think 00:33:05.125-->00:33:13.042 you would actually die if you got shot with the uh this stuff. Um, [inaudible]. So we'll just 00:33:13.042-->00:33:17.875 go to some videos. We'll go to the best one. >> We're gonna go to the really fun one now. >> 00:33:17.875-->00:33:23.208 Yeah, so one thing I want to say about this. >> [video demo] Lastly the pista de resistance 00:33:23.208-->00:33:28.750 oh the big guy, we have uh the sparrow hawk attached to. >> So one, one thing I want to say 00:33:28.750-->00:33:32.292 about this is um and I I'll fly some of these guys, you look through our slides out of the 00:33:32.292-->00:33:37.125 air to air base drone defense products, right, I called all of them. All of them are either uh 00:33:37.125-->00:33:43.542 they're they're about to release their v two any day now and they checked the shelves. Bob check 00:33:43.542-->00:33:48.000 the shelves their's no more v one left. Almost none of them actually sale any product. Uh, 00:33:48.000-->00:33:51.792 you know th- th- you got years going back with some of the products uh they're winning 00:33:51.792-->00:33:55.917 awards and and eventually you find out, like we're hoping to ship our first round of products 00:33:55.917-->00:33:58.917 by the end of this year. It looks like they've had products out for years. I only counted 00:33:58.917-->00:34:02.833 one company that out out of the air based ones that would actually sell me and it was a 00:34:02.833-->00:34:09.208 prototype for some air to air base combat. And it's one of the ones in the nature of, it drops 00:34:09.208-->00:34:16.000 a huge nets and tries to scoop in on it. [video demo] >> Lastly, the pista de resistance, 00:34:16.000-->00:34:22.792 uh the big guy, we have uh the sparrow hawk attached to a huge DGI M six hundred uh drone and 00:34:22.792-->00:34:27.333 uh essentially it's gonna be some air to air combat. It's going to try to go catch up with 00:34:27.333-->00:34:31.792 the danger drone with a really big net and swoop it up to try to capture the drone. >> I love 00:34:31.792-->00:34:36.417 how it's kind of crazy there. >> No. >> By far the most expensive option we tested. The drone and 00:34:36.417-->00:34:40.750 the net system together come close to around eleven thousand dollars. >> About eleven grand. 00:34:40.750-->00:34:46.125 Well th- th- the real cost is the actual drone itself. Which is, the filmographers use the 00:34:46.125-->00:34:50.500 same exact drone, its a DGIM six hundred. Uh but a couple interesting things here. They 00:34:50.500-->00:34:54.292 did sell us one. You sen- you never on referral by hand, you're supposed to be able to 00:34:54.292-->00:34:58.333 doit uh I was, do you have an instruction manual for this? And the guys like can you give us an 00:34:58.333-->00:35:02.208 extra day? I was like. [laughter] >> What? Like you send it to me? They're writing 00:35:02.208-->00:35:08.000 it as you go right? This guy sends me five pages of just pure text. Not a single picture, not 00:35:08.000-->00:35:11.958 a single image. It's be like if I shipped you a box full of bicycle parts and like a million 00:35:11.958-->00:35:17.083 parts and just like just pros, just text being as articulate as I can describing how to build a 00:35:17.083-->00:35:21.000 bicycle. And I I you know can you take a photo with your phone or something man? He's like, 00:35:21.000-->00:35:24.875 it's pretty straight forward. It's like, naw, it's pretty much the exact opposite of straight 00:35:24.875-->00:35:29.875 forward. [laughter] Uh. Yeah it's not straight forward even in the least bit. Um but we were 00:35:29.875-->00:35:38.500 able to get it going anyway. >> So that that is an, what you saw right there is an interceptor 00:35:38.500-->00:35:43.333 type obviously air to air interceptor type. >> Yeah. Um they cost too much in terms of 00:35:43.333-->00:35:47.875 defenses against that I was really debating having with those ones that have those swoop 00:35:47.875-->00:35:51.750 in, they have to get really close to you and they have to come in from a predictable 00:35:51.750-->00:35:54.792 direction right. Just chasing me and instead of come from behind me. And I wanted to use a 00:35:54.792-->00:35:59.625 confetti gun uh do like maverick style. As I'm bringing him in closer, letting him get closer 00:35:59.625-->00:36:04.167 and use a confetti gun out the rear. So basically fart confetti on it and make it crash the big 00:36:04.167-->00:36:11.125 drone. Which I'm pretty confident would have worked, but its pretty expensive a gamble at 00:36:11.125-->00:36:14.375 this amount of time. Would the chicken wire stop it in that case? I think it would probably 00:36:14.375-->00:36:17.292 grab one of the chicken wire. The chicken wire is more about the one that shoot the net at it 00:36:17.292-->00:36:20.958 hoping that the net will take it down. Um I think it would actually probably rip up the 00:36:20.958-->00:36:24.250 chicken wire. >> I think part of the other problem is if they have a faster drone then your 00:36:24.250-->00:36:28.750 interceptor drone, there's nothing you can do right. >> Um, so let's get to these real 00:36:28.750-->00:36:33.083 quick. This drone catcher is one of the one's you'll see the most. It's got like dog fighting 00:36:33.083-->00:36:38.083 stuff going on. It's got stuff going back like years. Uh I found uh in some YouTube uh 00:36:38.083-->00:36:42.167 subtitle translations from their, they say it's gonna be about thirty thousand euro. Uh 00:36:42.167-->00:36:47.125 for one of em. Uh and even with all this stuff going back years and years, they're really hoping 00:36:47.125-->00:36:51.417 to ship their first batch of products by the end of this year. Uh can't buy it right now. 00:36:51.417-->00:36:55.875 Uh Airspace, they wouldn't even get back to me. They got back to one of our people saying it cost 00:36:55.875-->00:37:01.708 a millions of dollars. Um to shoot basically shoot a net at it in the air. Uh this is from 00:37:01.708-->00:37:07.208 Michigan. Uh a little research project. And this one's interesting. Excipio. This was 00:37:07.208-->00:37:10.583 Excipio. Uh doing the way back machine, it was thirty-five hundred bucks for one of these 00:37:10.583-->00:37:15.625 net shooter Excipio back in December. Uh they've rebranded, they're gonna be called Drone 00:37:15.625-->00:37:19.833 Hunter, you can't buy the old Excipio anymore. Drone Hunter is not for sale yet, but is it went 00:37:19.833-->00:37:24.542 from thirty-five hundred to forty-seven thousand five hundred dollars. In a couple 00:37:24.542-->00:37:29.417 months with no clear identific-, I said so what's gonna be different about it? And it's 00:37:29.417-->00:37:33.708 gonna be uh, I think we were like, we're charging how much? We need to charge more than 00:37:33.708-->00:37:36.208 that. So pricing is all over the board right now. >> Basically you ask and called in the price 00:37:36.208-->00:37:40.125 and they're like who are you? And if you're government they add a couple zeros. >> Yeah, 00:37:40.125-->00:37:48.000 yeah I have a bunch of these guys with the the Sparrow that we tested. I found a uh a PBF 00:37:48.000-->00:37:50.792 with an old invoice from the end of the year for uh it was twenty-five thousand Euro for 00:37:50.792-->00:37:55.250 one of these other guys. We bought ours for actual sparrow was only five thousand pounds. 00:37:55.250-->00:38:00.708 Uh itself so, versus twenty-five thousand Euros for a similar product. Um you can see they are 00:38:00.708-->00:38:07.000 all over the board. Sparrow. >> Jamming, oh you see all these go- none of these guys can sell 00:38:07.000-->00:38:10.125 in the United States and they won't be able to. Yeah, you see all these articles about these 00:38:10.125-->00:38:14.292 jamming devices for the most part, you can't jam GPS, you can't jam cellphone connections 00:38:14.292-->00:38:20.167 which is what the danger drones uses for command again control. Um they're not allowed to sell 00:38:20.167-->00:38:24.000 this in the United States. Um and they and they won't be. Any time, the foreseeable future. 00:38:24.000-->00:38:31.458 Yeah, this is basically doing reverse turnover cell phone connection full USB uh 3G 00:38:31.458-->00:38:36.708 adapter to control the uh danger drone. Making it pretty much uh uh impossible for most of these 00:38:36.708-->00:38:43.250 jammers to the ones that are legal to buy anyway to work against it. >> Guys I know we're 00:38:43.250-->00:38:46.875 uh running short on time, we'll have uh be able to take questions back there if you. >> 00:38:46.875-->00:38:50.667 Lasers, ok lasers. Ok, so these run or directed energy weapons. These things are cra-, these 00:38:50.667-->00:38:55.792 guys are Boeing are like, maybe we just make a little dumb down version of the ones we use to 00:38:55.792-->00:38:58.958 shoot like real planes out of the sky. Like fighter jets. Uh so they're kind of just made 00:38:58.958-->00:39:01.833 like a you know they're not as good as a department thirteen up in the corner there. Uh... 00:39:01.833-->00:39:07.208 [laughter] But um, yeah. They created these auto-tracking like uh eh- basically eh eh drone 00:39:07.208-->00:39:12.583 going crazy fast, just like auto-tracking no problem you see it burst into flames with direct 00:39:12.583-->00:39:17.500 energy weapons. Um these things I think Boeings are eleven million dollars a unit. And I 00:39:17.500-->00:39:20.583 think think um, I think it's like break down runs about six million dollars a unit. But 00:39:20.583-->00:39:23.042 you're looking at a million dollars for one of these guys. Throw it on the back of your 00:39:23.042-->00:39:27.917 truck to uh to knock these out. Um you see them there, but they're putting them on ships 00:39:27.917-->00:39:31.958 and trucks basically deploying them. Uh they can be beat now. They can be beat. Now most are 00:39:31.958-->00:39:36.708 gonna be, I bet I could beat these lasers. Um. Basically uh China was talking all kinds of 00:39:36.708-->00:39:41.833 crap saying we could, uh we could beat most of uh the US's lasers with just smoke bombs. 00:39:41.833-->00:39:47.750 Well like they eh- may actually be true. Um, smoke and dust and obscurance really degrades the 00:39:47.750-->00:39:53.042 ability to use these. Um putting mirrors, flashing mirrors in your drone uh to uh to ward off 00:39:53.042-->00:39:58.458 the laser. Um, one of my favorites is the meta-materials which bends the uh light and 00:39:58.458-->00:40:02.292 energy around a kind of like predator, do you'd be looking like predator drone. They 00:40:02.292-->00:40:05.667 actually had, you wouldn't look like predator. But that's something similar in terms of 00:40:05.667-->00:40:09.542 like like displacing the heat energy. And uh the last one, there's actually a project and a 00:40:09.542-->00:40:13.667 product that somebody does that has auto tracking that detects that a laser is on you on your 00:40:13.667-->00:40:19.750 drone and immediately responds with another laser back uh. [laughter] Not yeah. So there's 00:40:19.750-->00:40:23.083 a whole people sells these products. It's pretty cool. >> Try to confuse the. >> Again we 00:40:23.083-->00:40:26.375 didn't have millions of dollars to test this stuff out, but maybe, maybe next year. Yeah. 00:40:26.375-->00:40:33.250 Uh, legal issues. Um, this guy is a hero. It's just some random guy basically anyone who 00:40:33.250-->00:40:36.250 registered their drones last year, you can get your money back. This guy was like, this 00:40:36.250-->00:40:39.792 law is just bullc**p man. I'm suing. I'm suing the government and he won. So the registration 00:40:39.792-->00:40:43.083 loan law from last year got thrown out. Couple months ago. Um an- [applause] Ok, we're 00:40:43.083-->00:40:50.000 gotta wrap up. Yep. [applause] Um, one last things with the shot guns and uh uh web people 00:40:50.000-->00:40:53.417 are like why don't you just shoot a regular shotgun at that point? Uh and like this guy did. 00:40:53.417-->00:40:57.000 He's shooting above his house with his kids and all. I don't know if you guys have ever seen 00:40:57.000-->00:41:00.208 anyone poke a LiPo battery that's in these guys? They're basically like lava bombs. That 00:41:00.208-->00:41:04.292 are like that might blow up for no reason whatsoever, let alone if you're shooting a shotgun at 00:41:04.292-->00:41:08.958 it. Um, and it will spit flames everywhere. So not something you want to do in a residential 00:41:08.958-->00:41:17.625 area. Uh trying to shoot these guys out of the sky. Uh and yep. And the future's awesome. Um uh 00:41:17.625-->00:41:21.875 drone swarms. None of these defenses are gonna work about drone swarms. Um none of these 00:41:21.875-->00:41:25.708 nets, you get if I send five thousand drones it's not going to do anything against. I know a 00:41:25.708-->00:41:30.000 couple, yeah you know, these nets aren't going to do anything uh super small bug sized drones. 00:41:30.000-->00:41:34.125 Hybrid approaches. We have one of these spiders so a drone could just drop off a spider and 00:41:34.125-->00:41:39.292 it could crawl on a building could plug in an ethernet port. Uh stuff there. Uh or you'll see 00:41:39.292-->00:41:43.375 like submarines that are coming up just long enough to shoot something in the air off or UPS 00:41:43.375-->00:41:46.583 trucks that are driving in your neighborhood and then deploying a drone. A hybrid approach is 00:41:46.583-->00:41:50.500 going to be big in the future and uh yeah micro bug size. And under water drones. Under water 00:41:50.500-->00:41:55.167 supremacy. Navy's kind of leading the way. You think air when you hear drones. Drone 00:41:55.167-->00:41:59.458 swarms. No one's thinking uh naval supremacy and a million little uh Raspberry pi based 00:41:59.458-->00:42:04.500 submarines. Uh just controlling the ocean and uh that's kind of a big deal still, but nobody 00:42:04.500-->00:42:09.917 thinks about it. Oh and uh Raspberry pi based uh somebody released uh some dog fighting AI 00:42:09.917-->00:42:14.917 stuff, full of Raspberry pi which is being real. So I think some next Top Gun coming out, I 00:42:14.917-->00:42:18.708 think it's gonna be all Raspberry pi like you know. Yeah. The uh the plot for the 00:42:18.708-->00:42:22.958 alternate's down in the other Raspberry pi rumor. You know some of that. But a pretty free 00:42:22.958-->00:42:27.542 game of speed in the sky non-stop. Um and that's uh that's it. We're out of time. 00:42:27.542-->00:00:00.000 Thanks guys. [applause]