00:00:00.375-->00:00:07.167 >>I am not Jeff Moss [inaudible talking] Just FYI. I am not the dark tangent uh it’s like we get 00:00:07.167-->00:00:13.542 confused all the time. Um, I’m Jayson E. Street but uh, Jeff couldn’t be here because there 00:00:13.542-->00:00:18.833 was way more important things uh, to do, obviously. Uh, [laughter] which is okay 00:00:18.833-->00:00:23.833 [chuckle]. It’s like, we’re cool with that. Um, I’d also like to introduce uh Waz. Uh, The DG uh, 00:00:26.917-->00:00:32.042 [cough] DCG coordinator. Thank you. [applause] Yep. [applause] He’s the supervising adult that 00:00:32.042-->00:00:37.042 makes this uh, work. Um, and then I’m uh, Jayson E. Street. I’m the DCG ambassador. Uh, 00:00:39.333-->00:00:45.125 because I travel all over everywhere uh, so they just thought hey and I like Def Con 00:00:45.125-->00:00:49.583 anyway and I talk about it everywhere so they put me in there as the ambassador. We got 00:00:49.583-->00:00:54.583 Brent White, uh B1TKILL3R. The uh, part of The DCG and also DC 615. >>Yay. [whoops] [applause] 00:00:59.958-->00:01:09.958 >>And we’ve got Grifter from uh, DC 801. >>Wooh! [applause] >>And we got uh, Jun Li from uh, DC 00:01:09.958-->00:01:16.458 010 from all the way from Beijing China. [applause] Amazing. [applause] And we’ve 00:01:16.458-->00:01:27.708 got Soups uh, he’s uh, an intrical part of a DCG, and he’s also the head of the DC 225 in 00:01:27.708-->00:01:34.042 Baton Rouge uh, Louisiana. [applause] And we have the myth, the legend, Major Malfunction, 00:01:34.042-->00:01:41.958 from [applause] all the way from London England, [applause] DCC uh DC uh 4420. [applause] So, uh 00:01:41.958-->00:01:46.542 so I guess I’m gonna now go look. I’m no longer Jeff over here. I’m now me again. >>Come 00:01:46.542-->00:01:50.125 sit. >> There we go. >>Oh. Hey Jayson. >>So. Hi! >>Nice of you to join us. >>[audible talking] 00:01:50.125-->00:01:54.583 >>So a little bit about uh, things that I do is uh, this is a actual uh picture uh from a 00:01:54.583-->00:02:00.875 Def Con Group meeting. I, last year uh trying to make uh Def Con Groups a little bit more 00:02:00.875-->00:02:07.375 Global. Uh, I took it apon myself to travel uh, even more. Uh, and I went through Asia 00:02:07.375-->00:02:10.583 because there was not that many Def Con Groups in Asia so, I literally started out in 00:02:10.583-->00:02:16.250 Beijing. Uh went to Hong Kong, Shin Jin, Singapore, and Thailand. Uh, talking to uh 00:02:16.250-->00:02:22.833 hackerspaces and makerspaces uh in all those cities trying to get them to start up. Uh, I am 00:02:22.833-->00:02:28.875 happy to say that uh things are actually, Jun Li’s here. It's like we’ve got a Def Con Group 00:02:28.875-->00:02:33.750 now in Beijing uh, Hong Kong, Shin Jin and Singapore. So uh that's really cool. They, 00:02:33.750-->00:02:39.167 they’ve already had meetings, they’re uh doing really good work. Um, and uh so this is the 00:02:39.167-->00:02:44.208 one from Hong Kong. Got started off there and we've also working on getting some Def Con Groups. 00:02:44.208-->00:02:49.583 WE’ve got one started in Garden Route and Johannesburg and South Africa. We’re working on another 00:02:49.583-->00:02:57.708 one in uh Close Napoca Romania and uh we’re trying to make it way more global. And, oh ya. 00:02:57.708-->00:03:02.208 There’s some other pictures of me as I’m traveling. It’s like uh, that's from Singapore. >>The 00:03:02.208-->00:03:07.208 robot Def Con Group right? >>Ya, uh I was trying to uh hey, I do not discriminate. It's like it’s 00:03:07.208-->00:03:11.667 it’s a global inclusive community, robots as well. Cause they're our new overlords. Uh, 00:03:11.667-->00:03:17.667 not everybody appreciated how I did ambassadorship, uh some uh were a little bit more uh uh 00:03:17.667-->00:03:24.792 handsy or less handsy than than I like so but they worked out. Uh, this was a great meeting in 00:03:24.792-->00:03:30.042 Singapore with uh Jeff Moss. That’s actually Jeff Moss, the one in the middle. Uh, and then 00:03:30.042-->00:03:34.750 Deno Desavi uh, at the news hacker space uh, the news uh hacker meeting, which was really 00:03:34.750-->00:03:41.458 cool. And uh, then this is uh Adrian from uh the Garden Route. He started the Garden Route uh 00:03:41.458-->00:03:49.792 Def Con group. So, um I think this um the the State of the Union is really good. We’re 00:03:49.792-->00:03:54.583 getting a lot more global uh [cough] and I mean we got, we’re getting uh, Def Con Group 00:03:54.583-->00:03:59.792 inquiries from uh Columbia, from uh Turkey, it’s uh from Europe, it’s like we’re getting a lot of 00:03:59.792-->00:04:04.167 great um initiatives. It’s like for Def Con Groups coming out and we’re expanding that which I 00:04:04.167-->00:04:11.083 think is very important. Uh, Def Con Groups is not a uh, Western centric or US centric uh 00:04:11.083-->00:04:17.292 organization. It should be you know, everybody. Um, and what we’re doing now and with the new 00:04:17.292-->00:04:21.250 initiative that we’re working on um that I, I literally just said you know, yolo, let’s try to 00:04:21.250-->00:04:27.458 make this happen. So, it’s gonna either be spectacular or fail spectacularly but either way, 00:04:27.458-->00:04:32.750 spectacular. >>Jayson, >>Um, >>can I interrupt you for a second? >>Yes. >>You’re killing 00:04:32.750-->00:04:37.708 the captioner. >>Killing the caption? >>You, you’ve got to slow down. Look at that thing 00:04:37.708-->00:04:41.333 over there. >>Oh. [laughter] I’m talking to fast. [Laughter] Wow. [Laughter] I didn’t know that’s 00:04:41.333-->00:04:45.750 going on. [Laughter] Alright [Laughter] OMG. [Laughter] >>Laughter! [laughter] You guys 00:04:45.750-->00:04:55.208 got in there, you’re on the board! Wooh! [whoops] [yelling] [applause] >>Oh, that’s so cool. 00:04:55.208-->00:04:59.500 [Laughter] >>Okay >>They gotta say everything? Oh sorry. I’m sorry, I’m getting distracted. 00:04:59.500-->00:05:04.042 Okay, >>Squirrel! >>My, [laughs] >>Squirrel! >>Alright. >>I love pizza. Okay um. Okay sorry. 00:05:04.042-->00:05:13.542 Okay. >>Bring it back. >>Okay sorry, socially initiative that we’re going to do is um I was at 00:05:13.542-->00:05:19.708 a uh uh crime conference thing for small businesses that were thrown by um, that was thrown 00:05:19.708-->00:05:25.542 together by Homeland Security in Tennessee. Uh, Memphis. Which is of course where you think of 00:05:25.542-->00:05:30.417 when you think of Homeland Security uh and one of the guys there, one of the feds whose 00:05:30.417-->00:05:35.167 name he does for some reason he doesn’t want me to say what his name is uh here. It’s like uh 00:05:35.167-->00:05:39.708 though everybody would be able to get a free t-shirt. Um, he was very >>It was Jayson Street. 00:05:39.708-->00:05:44.583 >>Ya. He was very interested in uh the initiative that I talked to him about, about having Def 00:05:44.583-->00:05:51.625 Con groups all over the world connect with law enforcement. Cause that seems natural and 00:05:51.625-->00:05:55.833 like, just totally cool right? You know, like chocolate and peanut butter. Um, but the 00:05:55.833-->00:06:03.250 reason why is I want to see the Def Con Groups to connect and get involved with uh uh this 00:06:03.250-->00:06:10.875 initiate contact with law enforcement so the law enforcement can introduce the 00:06:10.875-->00:06:19.083 Def Con Groups to schools. We’re going to create a script that were going to put up on our 00:06:19.083-->00:06:23.500 website, and we're going to put reading materials and documentation for schools on our 00:06:23.500-->00:06:31.125 website for online safety, and what hacking is and what and how to protect yourself online and 00:06:31.125-->00:06:37.292 instead of having police officers and law enforcement people who come over and to talk 00:06:37.292-->00:06:42.000 about the evil hackers that are breaking into your Facebook and your Instagrams, were going to 00:06:42.000-->00:06:48.375 have vetted Def Con Group members come to schools and tell children and students what 00:06:48.375-->00:06:55.375 hacking is, what it’s about, and how to protect themselves. [Coughing] Going to a school, an 00:06:55.375-->00:07:00.292 elementary school, as a hacker in your hoodie going hey I want to talk to your kids about 00:07:00.292-->00:07:06.375 online safety. [Laughter] That’s not gonna work out so well. But if we can actually get law 00:07:06.375-->00:07:12.167 enforcement to actually to you know, serve us a little bit here, it’s like then we can 00:07:12.167-->00:07:17.417 actually use the system to help us further the message and the positivity of what hacking 00:07:17.417-->00:07:25.167 really is. And I want that to be a global thing not just um uh just a US thing. So it’s like 00:07:25.167-->00:07:30.042 we're already talking about it to other uh countries, to other groups, uh to talk to the law 00:07:30.042-->00:07:35.583 enforcements in their country and get an engagement and engage with them. Uh, so you pick like 00:07:35.583-->00:07:42.417 2 Def Con Group members that uh you know will pass a background check, that or one, if you and 00:07:42.417-->00:07:46.042 if you know the certain groups it’s like you can get one. It’s like you know. >>You can only 00:07:46.042-->00:07:52.000 get one. [laughter] >>Exactly. It’s like so if you can get one, it’s like have them be the the 00:07:52.000-->00:07:57.000 point man and then have that going. So we’re going to start working on that uh, Brent is 00:07:57.000-->00:08:01.792 going to be working with the Fed because he’s in Nashville. um, that’s where he’s stationed out 00:08:01.792-->00:08:07.583 of. And they’re the DC615 in Nashville. So that’s going to be our pilot project but once that 00:08:07.583-->00:08:12.667 gets hammered down, I want this everywhere by the end of the year. It’s like we're hackers 00:08:12.667-->00:08:17.958 are going to schools and telling kids what it’s like and how to protect themselves, and what 00:08:17.958-->00:08:23.125 hacking is. Let’s change the narrative there and then go outward. So, that’s what I’d 00:08:23.125-->00:08:34.458 like to hope we can start. [applause] >>So uh, something I want to add on to that Jayson, 00:08:34.458-->00:08:39.500 so um, my daughters in elementary school. My wife and I went and spoke uh for career day 00:08:39.500-->00:08:45.125 and uh so I talked you know, spoke about hacking and you know what hacking is and then all 00:08:45.125-->00:08:50.208 this stuff and so uh, it I thought it went really well but as we were leaving, the kids 00:08:50.208-->00:08:54.625 were at lunch and I think this, I think this kid was in second or third grade and he goes oh uh 00:08:54.625-->00:08:58.458 you're the one that spoke about hacking? And I was like ya, and he’s like so can you like, teach 00:08:58.458-->00:09:03.167 me how to break into banks where cops don’t see me? And I was like no, wait wait you’ve got 00:09:03.167-->00:09:07.500 this all wrong. [laughter] It’s uh So uh we’ve gotta make sure that those conversations don't 00:09:07.500-->00:09:11.917 come up in this initiative or. >>See, it’s not technically wrong, I mean >>Ya >>it’s what 00:09:11.917-->00:09:15.542 Jayson does. >>Well but, he would no but but but he was like you know where the cops can’t 00:09:15.542-->00:09:18.333 see me and stuff. >>Oh. >>And I was like you need to stop watching so much TV there kid 00:09:18.333-->00:09:21.875 so. >>Right. >>So anyway, >>As long as you have the paperwork you’re good right? >>Ya >>Ya 00:09:21.875-->00:09:31.500 [laughter] >>Alright [laughter] you’re up. >>Hi. Uh, so I’m gonna talk about what Def Con 00:09:31.500-->00:09:39.333 groups are or more like where they came from as well. So, uh, I’m Grifter from DC801. Uh, DC 00:09:39.333-->00:09:51.875 801 and DC 719 are are or were are the original Def Con groups. Um so, [noise] [laughter] hold 00:09:51.875-->00:09:57.333 on. I want to see if it says like Jayson opening diet Pepsi on the captioner. [Laughter] 00:09:57.333-->00:10:01.750 >>It does now. [laughter] >>what? [laughter] >>It does now. >>Sound of carbonation 00:10:01.750-->00:10:09.125 escaping the bottle. >>Pssssh [laughter] >>Jaysons spewing on the floor. [laughter] 00:10:09.125-->00:10:21.917 >>psssssssss >>We broke him. [laughter] um. Okay, so, so basically they came about cause 00:10:21.917-->00:10:28.458 we um we had a pretty good group of folks out in Salt Lake City which is where DC801 is from. Uh 00:10:28.458-->00:10:36.125 and we were running 2600 SLC. We had I think at the time that we flipped from a 2600 meeting over 00:10:36.125-->00:10:41.667 to the concept of a Def Con group was um about 50 people would show up every month in a 00:10:41.667-->00:10:46.750 food court and kinda descend on it and have a mini con which was really cool. Um, but it 00:10:46.750-->00:10:54.875 basically came about because at the time, 2600 magazine was uh by a lot of people in the group, 00:10:54.875-->00:10:59.583 getting political. LIke it was actually telling people like oh you should vote like this if you 00:10:59.583-->00:11:06.750 want to support these things and if you’re a hacker you should be voting this way instead of more 00:11:06.750-->00:11:12.458 like uh regardless of what their political views are that’s just not cool. So, um, we said well 00:11:12.458-->00:11:16.583 what can we do where we can still have a good name around it and then have this group thing 00:11:16.583-->00:11:23.375 and so um I talked to DT and said hey, what do you think if we did this? And he was like 00:11:23.375-->00:11:29.458 that sounds awesome, talk to Russ. And Russ is, he was in DC719 um, so I called up Russ 00:11:29.458-->00:11:35.083 and we kind of worked things out over the course of a about a month or two and then we 00:11:35.083-->00:11:39.792 launched our meetings and we had them. We started them in February and then we announced 00:11:39.792-->00:11:44.333 them in the summer. The next summer at Def Con. So they had been going on for about 6 00:11:44.333-->00:11:48.208 months. Uh, they’re awesome. I mean like. >>It was Def Con 12 right? >>Uh, >>Or Def Con 13? 00:11:48.208-->00:11:53.792 >>Ya it was, it was early on. >>It was Def Con 12 or 13. I don’t remember which but it 00:11:53.792-->00:11:59.875 started there. >>For sure. Wait, yes. Because we were still at the AP. >>Yup. >>Ya. Alright. 00:11:59.875-->00:12:06.000 Um, so now Def Con groups are everywhere. They’re all over the world. So, um, if you’re looking 00:12:06.000-->00:12:11.292 to join a group you know check the website, see if you can find one that’s already established 00:12:11.292-->00:12:19.333 and if you don’t see something, please start one. Um, so, how do you start one? >>Wait, wait. 00:12:19.333-->00:12:22.583 >>What? >> Hey Grifter, what’s the website? >>What, what is the website? [Laughter] Isn’t hasn’t 00:12:22.583-->00:12:37.542 it been on every slide? >>Ya. >>Oh alright. [laughter] Dear captioner, please type Def Con 00:12:37.542-->00:12:43.667 groups dot org. [Laughter] >>No. >>D****t [laughter] >>Close enough >>Oh [laughter] >>Close 00:12:43.667-->00:12:50.917 enough >>I’m outta here now. >>OH, that’ll work. >>Look what you did. [Laughter] Look what 00:12:50.917-->00:12:55.958 you did. [laughter] >>WWW dot DEFC [laughs] Oh no. That’s messed up. [Laughter] Now they 00:12:55.958-->00:12:59.917 got it. >>Alright. >>Alright. We’ve gotta stop messing with the caption person. Um, 00:12:59.917-->00:13:04.500 [laughter] So ya so go to the Def Con groups website. Look for um, uh, a group that’s around 00:13:04.500-->00:13:11.333 you, and if there isn’t one start one. And when I say if there isn’t one, that doesn’t 00:13:11.333-->00:13:13.625 mean if there’s one that’s 30 minutes away and that’s too far so you should start another one 00:13:13.625-->00:13:18.958 like, get in the car or on a bus and and head over there. I think that was something uh that 00:13:18.958-->00:13:24.000 started to happen with 2600 meetings as well. Where it was like there was one here and then 00:13:24.000-->00:13:32.375 there was one like 5 blocks over because people didn’t wanna commute so. >>Alright so the 00:13:32.375-->00:13:35.208 next things like um how do you get people to attend? It’s like that I’m given a lot of the 00:13:35.208-->00:13:38.500 questions when people are uh approaching me and I’m talking to them in different areas and 00:13:38.500-->00:13:41.417 uh and in different places and they’re saying like well uh how do I get people to attend? Well 00:13:41.417-->00:13:48.417 well what's really going to be drawn what do I do with it. And the first thing I tell people 00:13:48.417-->00:13:54.083 it’s like you start if you get 2 people at your first Def Con group meeting, awesome. [claps] 00:13:54.083-->00:13:58.083 >>Yes [applause] >>That’s great. That’s a good start. It’s like You know and you just work from 00:13:58.083-->00:14:03.125 there. It doesn’t have to be oh, we didn’t get 20 people showing up. IT’s like uh it’s gotta 00:14:03.125-->00:14:08.750 start organically so it’s like you got people by word of mouth, it’s like you’ve got social 00:14:08.750-->00:14:12.208 media. I know people that are starting uh starting with just facebook pages because they 00:14:12.208-->00:14:18.250 don’t have website yet. Um, so start off by that. Start uh by broadcasting that on Twitter. Um 00:14:18.250-->00:14:24.875 um CC the Def Con groups uh Twitter handle and we will amplify that for you or you know 00:14:24.875-->00:14:29.833 James will amplify that for you and uh it’ll get that word out. So, you can start doing it that 00:14:29.833-->00:14:35.667 way. Just start finding a good location that’s uh central for a lot of people to get to in a 00:14:35.667-->00:14:40.625 nice area where they uh usually have alcohol some for some reason helps. Uh, it’s like it 00:14:40.625-->00:14:47.125 maybe a projector screen you know even better. Um and start if off there. It’s like start 00:14:47.125-->00:14:52.292 getting people to show up by like giving them something to show up too. You can’t just say 00:14:52.292-->00:14:56.875 hey you wanna sit around, get drunk and talk hacking? It’s like Which actually works for a 00:14:56.875-->00:15:01.292 lot of people but you know, uh but you gotta do something like have a talk start a talk 00:15:01.292-->00:15:06.708 somewhere. Uh Get involved. Defc and another thing key thing I want to make sure we understand, 00:15:06.708-->00:15:12.958 Def Con groups does not replace or surplant any other organization that’s going on in 00:15:12.958-->00:15:20.292 that city. IT’s like if you can’t say well I wanna start a Def Con group but you know uh uh 00:15:20.292-->00:15:27.750 there’s also 2600 or a city sec or you know, some other hacking or security related uh group 00:15:27.750-->00:15:32.375 going on too so no I can’t do there. That’s not what it’s about. IT’s like there’s got 00:15:32.375-->00:15:37.250 there’s always room for more people connecting and being together and working to make 00:15:37.250-->00:15:42.583 things happens so uh don’t let that be an excuse, don't’ let that be a reason you’re not 00:15:42.583-->00:15:47.125 starting a Def Con group in your area. >>Ya so >>That was the longest sentence I’ve ever 00:15:47.125-->00:15:50.792 heard. >>You’re welcome >>Ya [Laughs] So one of the >>I I’m going to inter interrupt you 00:15:50.792-->00:15:56.542 know. Some practical advice on finding uh a location. Um, what we found in London there’s a lot 00:15:56.542-->00:16:04.083 of really uh good setups like um nightclubs, and bars, so on that don’t actually open until quite 00:16:04.083-->00:16:10.417 late. So our one of our first locations was um a night club that gets going at midnight and 00:16:10.417-->00:16:16.500 we don't want to to be having uh uh a group meeting starting at midnight so they’ve got space 00:16:16.500-->00:16:21.833 that's all set up with projectors in the bar and lights and space and so on and it’s 00:16:21.833-->00:16:27.958 standing empty um and it’s in cent the center of London so uh we’ve found we could actually 00:16:27.958-->00:16:33.208 get into that space really cheap uh, well free in fact because um, generally you don't get 00:16:33.208-->00:16:38.667 charged to use a bar or a somewhere there that serves food, if you bring enough people 00:16:38.667-->00:16:44.542 in that they actually start you know paying um giving money over the bar or buying food and and 00:16:44.542-->00:16:48.500 and so on, so they didn’t charge you for use of the room and we’re done by 11, 12 so that’s 00:16:48.500-->00:16:54.458 the point where they’re gearing up for their main business. So we’re giving them a use for 00:16:54.458-->00:17:00.250 their empty space uh and and actually we um, that’s how we got started so ya. We we ended 00:17:00.250-->00:17:07.125 up moving to a pub because they were charging us night club prices for drinks even though we 00:17:07.125-->00:17:11.708 weren’t in a nightclub. Well we were in a nightclub but we’re not in a nightclub environment 00:17:11.708-->00:17:16.667 if you know what I mean so. >>It so, some of the things that we did for uh DC615, uh you had 00:17:16.667-->00:17:22.250 mentioned you know, how do you get people to attend? So, one of the things that we did uh we had 00:17:22.250-->00:17:27.500 a really good B sides um conference that goes on uh with Little Loss and then uh we have 00:17:27.500-->00:17:32.417 uh Jeff and some other people that were kind enough to let us you know, do a quick little 00:17:32.417-->00:17:37.667 blurb doing the opening ceremony and they were able to carve out a little room for us to talk to 00:17:37.667-->00:17:42.042 go um people and and tell them about the group. Uh you know websites, social media obviously 00:17:42.042-->00:17:46.875 uh and then you know college campuses if they let you hang up fliers, um, and you know and the 00:17:46.875-->00:17:53.167 and the technology room and areas like that to kind of get the word out. Um, and I’m glad 00:17:53.167-->00:17:57.042 that you mentioned that to about how we're not trying to compete with other meet ups and that’s 00:17:57.042-->00:18:01.875 one of the things uh you know Nashville we have, there’s quite a few uh other meet ups that go 00:18:01.875-->00:18:06.125 on and so before we even started the group we did some research and made sure that we weren’t 00:18:06.125-->00:18:11.083 stepping on anyone's toes, cause that’s the last thing we want is to get you know politics and and 00:18:11.083-->00:18:18.542 um any drama involved in that so uh so we were pretty careful about that. >>I didn't know we 00:18:18.542-->00:18:22.583 weren’t supposed to compete with the other meetings like we have gangland style fights with them. 00:18:22.583-->00:18:26.125 >>Well [Laughter] if that it that’s cool. >>Ya a dance off. >>We want a dance off. >>Well ya 00:18:26.125-->00:18:32.667 ya well dance off. >>Oh ya. >>Break dance fighting. Um, no we do um some similar things you 00:18:32.667-->00:18:39.292 know we have uh a couple of local conferences that take place um in Utah, Saint Con, and 00:18:39.292-->00:18:45.042 Eastside Salt Lake City, and Hack West and so we work with those guys to get the word out 00:18:45.042-->00:18:49.750 at those events. Um to your point, college campuses thats, thats a big one. Um we go and 00:18:49.750-->00:18:56.083 put flyers you know around the CS department you know or up on any boards and stuff that were 00:18:56.083-->00:19:01.333 there as well as um if there are still are any existing book stores in you area [laughter] um 00:19:01.333-->00:19:07.250 we would put flyers like in you know Linux journal or you like, like minded magazines uh and 00:19:07.250-->00:19:13.292 we’d get people from that as well. >>Know what? Let, the frequency of meetings. We forgot 00:19:13.292-->00:19:17.458 to mention the frequencies of meetings. Some people have em for um every month, it’s like 00:19:17.458-->00:19:22.000 once a month. It’s like uh I’ve heard some that's had it like every 2 weeks which is like, I 00:19:22.000-->00:19:27.667 don't know anybody that would want to sit here 2 weeks. Um, but they have those and so some 00:19:27.667-->00:19:32.042 have em like every quarter. So, it depends on what kind of frequency you want to have it, 00:19:32.042-->00:19:38.292 It’s not, there’s no set frequency. [coughing] >>Cuh uz it’s my turn? >>Ya you can go 00:19:38.292-->00:19:42.042 ahead. >>Okay, okay, okay so, I'm going to mil- milk that captioner. I hope everybody here 00:19:42.042-->00:19:47.708 can survive. Uh I’m I”m I come from China I’m un I’m let me sit down kay, I come from china, I 00:19:47.708-->00:19:57.833 started Def Con group Beijing, the Def Con group 0100 and uh we have like a frequently we we 00:19:57.833-->00:20:04.375 meet very frequently we have like over uh 200 people every meeting and uh regarding the 00:20:04.375-->00:20:09.583 frequency of meetings I think uh all all the regarding the competition, I don’t think that 00:20:09.583-->00:20:14.583 you should compete with other conference because we are different, we are unique. Uh, 00:20:14.583-->00:20:19.292 for example I think the Def Con group because uh we are so we are meeting so quite frequently 00:20:19.292-->00:20:24.042 I don’t think this is contest to be enough so ver too advanced too like too complicated to uh 00:20:24.042-->00:20:36.792 to to uh like new to so ya uh I think we were are now having meeting like uh every 3 months 00:20:36.792-->00:20:44.542 and uh uh a small meetings a uh uh maybe per month I think maybe, it just just a few people 00:20:44.542-->00:20:52.833 and also I have the uh chat group to discuss some certain stuff so ya. And uh the 00:20:52.833-->00:20:56.625 different group I think you the countenance need to be busy and the the tech in the audience is 00:20:56.625-->00:21:01.875 different. The tech in the audience for our group I think is more like the college 00:21:01.875-->00:21:09.958 students anduh like the uh amateur practitioners. And uh so it’s different you don't don’t 00:21:09.958-->00:21:16.250 have to compete with uh other conferences and uh regarding the how to get people to come and 00:21:16.250-->00:21:22.458 the I think that as you are organizing this event you have to make this event uh uh 00:21:22.458-->00:21:29.875 meaningful thing with stuff to do. So I found it frustrating when i when uh the attendees is 00:21:29.875-->00:21:35.792 very interesting the lockpicking village because uh we have another version of village so 00:21:35.792-->00:21:42.500 peoples can discuss uh different areas like the cryptography, uh straight printing and other 00:21:42.500-->00:21:51.708 stuff but uh peoples tend to uh go to the uh the uh lock picking village. So I found that's quite 00:21:51.708-->00:21:55.167 quite frustrating because as a hacker you need to know the cryptography, reverse 00:21:55.167-->00:22:00.000 engineering and the environments it creates and that stuff. So I talked is Jayson your uh on the 00:22:00.000-->00:22:04.833 taxi and uh I found out the reason that I felt this is because it’s more like you can 00:22:04.833-->00:22:09.125 touch it you can feel and touch it and see the results instantly so I start to think So I, now 00:22:09.125-->00:22:17.750 the the next meeting I’m planning to do uh uh this. I I build a robot which you can 00:22:17.750-->00:22:23.958 control via a web interface and the it’s a robot is connected to a cloud using uh wifi so you can 00:22:23.958-->00:22:29.958 do wireless, you can do you can do web penetration tests at penetration to control the robot 00:22:29.958-->00:22:35.583 and finally you can play with my cat so [laughter]that this turns the information like uh uh 00:22:35.583-->00:22:43.333 expertise in ex so you can use our expertise to get some like physic feed back so that's how I 00:22:43.333-->00:22:49.875 can get people’s attention and then we made all those swags. Very cool, so they can uh like 00:22:49.875-->00:22:54.417 when you publicize this kind of stuff, they can they want it well they will come so that's 00:22:54.417-->00:23:00.208 the first time to uh shock them and see this. >>To the um the the point about not competing 00:23:00.208-->00:23:04.917 competing with other entities uh, us and uh in the bayou down down in Baton Rouge, we actually 00:23:04.917-->00:23:10.042 work really close with uh the local Maker Group and uh we found that our our disciplines 00:23:10.042-->00:23:15.208 while different like they’re more hands on with electronics and everything, we’re more about 00:23:15.208-->00:23:19.625 the technical software side of things. They mesh well so, we actually share makerspace, we do 00:23:19.625-->00:23:25.667 presentations there with them, um there they bring unique um viewpoints to a lot of the 00:23:25.667-->00:23:31.250 products that we work on and we we bring viewpoints, our unique view points to what they what 00:23:31.250-->00:23:38.292 they’re working on too. So um, and it works out well for us so far. >>So um then I guess uh 00:23:38.292-->00:23:42.708 next for we’ll kind of go down the line and quickly talk about some products that we do I know 00:23:42.708-->00:23:47.458 Jun Li you already kinda mentioned a few which sound very interesting. So I know um just a 00:23:47.458-->00:23:52.125 few that we’ve done in Nashville, um you know as Jun Li mentioned as well, we try to 00:23:52.125-->00:23:58.083 keep things uh you know different levels. People that are just wanting to learn very 00:23:58.083-->00:24:02.750 basic things, all the way to having things more advanced for those who are interested uh, so 00:24:02.750-->00:24:07.583 we try to consider that. So uh something fun that we did, uh we got we all got raspberry pi’s, 00:24:07.583-->00:24:13.375 built a retro pi. Um, and so you can see we kinda took it a few steps further with the wireless 00:24:13.375-->00:24:17.250 controllers and the uh wireless keyboard and things like that. >>That’s hot. >>Ya it’s pretty 00:24:17.250-->00:24:20.792 cool. It’s pretty sexy, huh? [Laughter]Ya, you know. So um so and then, we >>I’m gonna need 00:24:20.792-->00:24:24.750 the plans for that. [Laughter] >>Ya, okay. So, those are actually on our website at DC615 00:24:24.750-->00:24:33.375 dot org so if you’re interested in that. Um, >>So that’s how you join DC 615. [Laughter] or 201. 00:24:33.375-->00:24:38.500 >>Ya or 201, there ya go. So um and another thing that we, I don’t I don’t have a picture of 00:24:38.500-->00:24:41.458 it but another thing that we did too with the raspberry pi’s, we uh implemented the touch screens 00:24:41.458-->00:24:44.500 and uh taught people how to install the kali linux distro and then uh changed the kernel 00:24:44.500-->00:24:48.958 weren’t where you know where the touch screen would work with that. So that was a little bit 00:24:48.958-->00:24:54.500 more advanced for for uh for them so that was that was fun. Uh heres a, this was one of our 00:24:54.500-->00:24:59.500 very first meetings. Um we also, this is Ski Boy. Uh Ski Boy’s awesome if you ever get a chance 00:24:59.500-->00:25:06.083 to hangout with him, um smart dude. But, this is and so we actually uh in Nashville it’s 00:25:06.083-->00:25:10.542 it’s kinda hard to find places that are, that are open and you don’t have to pay a whole lot of 00:25:10.542-->00:25:15.458 money for so um this I think was at Chris Scott Cyber Assassin. He’s a member of our group. Um 00:25:15.458-->00:25:19.792 he, this was at the clubhouse of the apartments that he was staying at downtown and then uh 00:25:19.792-->00:25:26.583 currently we have uh Dan Augustine who is at another uh very nice place downtown and 00:25:26.583-->00:25:31.042 we’re able to use his clubhouse and uh it’s furnished and you know have they have pool tables 00:25:31.042-->00:25:34.625 and everything too so that’s that works out. Uh One of the things we like to focus on too, 00:25:34.625-->00:25:38.250 if you’re if you’ve never presented before or you have a topic that you are that you are 00:25:38.250-->00:25:42.792 presenting and you want to do a dry run you know we’ll we’ll we’ll go through those things as 00:25:42.792-->00:25:49.708 well. Um our DC615 badge uh, my batteries actually fell out on the way over here so. Uh But 00:25:49.708-->00:25:54.542 yeah the L they LEDS and then we also have it where you can program the Arduino and scroll 00:25:54.542-->00:25:59.292 whatever message you want or you can make them super bright and troll people at parties where 00:25:59.292-->00:26:04.125 they can’t see anymore. >>Not very cool [laughter] >>Jayson >>So ya there’s a picture of 00:26:04.125-->00:26:09.542 that um and then here’s a picture of of a lot of us actually spending time soldering 00:26:09.542-->00:26:16.292 and teaching people how to solder basic electronics and so on, so um. Soups, you up? >>Ya 00:26:16.292-->00:26:21.083 um so this, back to the point about reaching out to kids, we uh we go to the uh maker fair 00:26:21.083-->00:26:25.625 and so this is at the library every year. Um There’s a bunch of different groups from around 00:26:25.625-->00:26:30.042 the area, um and we have a little booth to kind of display our projects that we’ve worked 00:26:30.042-->00:26:34.500 on throughout the year as well as uh just kind of spread the word about what, what we do. Um 00:26:34.500-->00:26:40.667 We do [laughs] we do lockpicking uh a lot and like you were saying it’s ikt kind of helps 00:26:40.667-->00:26:47.292 the whole tactile um aspect of it. Getting people kind of into the scene uh helps out alot. You 00:26:47.292-->00:26:55.042 can go to the next one. Uh ya this contraption. Um, it’s actually a remote controlled 00:26:55.042-->00:27:00.083 Roomba. He hacked it and uses a controller to actually move it around, I think he added a 00:27:00.083-->00:27:04.583 little horn to it as well,. It’s rather cute. Um I’m not entirely sure what he’s doing with the 00:27:04.583-->00:27:09.208 neck and the screen as of yet. He’s still working on it. Uh, he actually had an AK47 attached to 00:27:09.208-->00:27:13.542 it for a little while which is kind of scary. >>It looks like a telepresent. >>Ya. He wanted to 00:27:13.542-->00:27:18.750 put like a a microphone on it so it’s talk out. I don’t know if he’s gonna use a megaphone or 00:27:18.750-->00:27:24.042 what but it’s getting kind of top heavy right now. [Laughs] >>Next, next one? >>Yeah, go 00:27:24.042-->00:27:30.083 ahead. Um We have a really smart kid, his name uh he he goes by he goes by Cryo uh and this was 00:27:30.083-->00:27:35.000 a gameboy that he hacked. He actually, he actually just found a couple of vulnerabilities in 00:27:35.000-->00:27:40.000 some the original Pokemon games uh that he’s utilized to kind of do speedy runs but he at one 00:27:40.000-->00:27:48.417 point hacked a uh little logo on there for us so. Uh were actually als also working on, a 00:27:48.417-->00:27:53.042 couple of years ago we worked with the Cyberpatriot program which is an Air Force initiative 00:27:53.042-->00:28:00.167 to go out to schools and train um high school students for a competition that they end up com 00:28:00.167-->00:28:05.333 competing out throughout the year and um it works. It works really well with with the new 00:28:05.333-->00:28:09.167 initiative that were going on with Def Con groups is. It basically gives us an an avenue 00:28:09.167-->00:28:18.208 to kind of communicate what what security is and and that hackers aren’t all bad so. >>Just mostly 00:28:18.208-->00:28:21.542 >>Most of us. [Inaudible words] Jayson’s kind of shady sometimes. >>Um sorry I don't 00:28:21.542-->00:28:25.958 have pretty pictures cause I'm I’m a busy person and I don’t respond to email. Um, [laughter] 00:28:25.958-->00:28:31.542 the >>That’s true! >>True story. >>IT is true. It’s fair. You gotta, you gotta text me, here’s 00:28:31.542-->00:28:37.750 my number. Um, no. That’s not a that’s not a thing. uh so ya, so projects that we work on um DC 00:28:37.750-->00:28:41.417 801 um do we do a lot of things. ONe of them probably the flagship project for us is the 00:28:41.417-->00:28:47.375 hackerspace in Salt Lake City which um is called 801 labs. Um WE uh basically do all of our 00:28:47.375-->00:28:52.833 projects out of there. That’s where we have our meetings, so when we have a meeting it’s it’s 00:28:52.833-->00:28:59.375 at a hackerspace, Jayson has has been out there before. Um WE have a lockpick village, and 00:28:59.375-->00:29:05.875 tamper evident room, a hardware hacking room and like all other kinds of dedicated classroom 00:29:05.875-->00:29:11.167 where teach each other different things and were when we do the DC 801 meetings we have like a 00:29:11.167-->00:29:17.542 webcam that we stream everything um to Youtube so when the talks are done for that month they’re 00:29:17.542-->00:29:22.708 immediately available online. >>Did you take that webcam out of the bathroom finally? >>Uh 00:29:22.708-->00:29:26.500 no, that one’s still there. The bathroom webcam will be there forever. [Laughs] That’s, would 00:29:26.500-->00:29:33.375 be silly to remove it. [Laughter] What, what are you saying down there? Just tell us. 00:29:33.375-->00:29:39.917 >>Start the Q and A in 3 minutes. >>Start the Q and A in 3 months. Thanks. >>Uh, it’s my 00:29:39.917-->00:29:46.667 turn? >>Yes. >>Yes it’s your turn. >>Okay uh I’d like to uh share with you my how so what’s 00:29:46.667-->00:29:50.500 we're going to talk about now, should we talk about now. >>What are those nanoparts? >>Uh this 00:29:50.500-->00:29:55.542 this is nano village is way way waY what they did so because uh people's interest are different 00:29:55.542-->00:30:01.750 so I started to like mimic the Def Cons to like to the nano version villages so. I put 00:30:01.750-->00:30:08.000 actually thanks to the support of my team, these are all my team’s gadget. This equipment 00:30:08.000-->00:30:15.292 all come from my team. So the you as you can see later I let all the the this. Yes yes. 00:30:15.292-->00:30:22.875 Actually I I did a talk at uh at a presentation back at our hacking car king because I we 00:30:22.875-->00:30:28.000 have many members in on my team and their are many differences. So those those are the speakers 00:30:28.000-->00:30:36.042 on the the supporters of Um so yo ucan see ma ma many of them come from my team and uh the the 00:30:36.042-->00:30:41.125 places we we meet is in the comp my companies meeting room so thanks for the support of my my 00:30:41.125-->00:30:47.792 supervisor my my- leaders. The the also, the money come from my company. Yes Yes so if you want 00:30:47.792-->00:30:52.625 to find a place you don’t have to lad clap a because the conference room or meeting room 00:30:52.625-->00:31:00.417 in your company most likely is empty so you can use that as well. Uh You can see how many 00:31:00.417-->00:31:04.958 people we have and yes so there more villages and uh we also post a video of the the meetings 00:31:04.958-->00:31:13.042 online so were were we cooperated with this is online education uh website. They were 00:31:13.042-->00:31:20.083 like doing free for us, to record it and publish it for free. It’s Integrity a Tech from 00:31:20.083-->00:31:25.167 from China and uh yes, next one? Malfunction. [inaudible talking] >>Yeah. >>Okay hey um so one of 00:31:25.167-->00:31:32.750 the things we did in the London group uh is try to make sure that it’s not um cliquey and 00:31:32.750-->00:31:37.000 it’s very inclusive to everyone who comes along. So one of the first things we do at every 00:31:37.000-->00:31:42.708 meeting that we’ve done right from the very beginning is everybody in in the room 00:31:42.708-->00:31:48.042 introduces themselves and we get to know each other um obviously if you don’t wanna introduce 00:31:48.042-->00:31:53.042 yourself as your real name or you work for the man or something than you make 00:31:53.042-->00:31:58.000 something up. Um, but that way you know we get people talking and we reintegrate the the black 00:31:58.000-->00:32:03.708 shirt wearing um hackers from the basements through alcohol and cuddles and talking so. Um 00:32:03.708-->00:32:12.042 we concentrate on content so we don’t do projects together, we don’t do building um because 00:32:12.042-->00:32:17.208 we’re in uh [coughing] London and there aren’t any other groups in the UK at the moment 00:32:17.208-->00:32:23.458 uh a lot of people travel from quite far to come to the meeting so we have a couple of talks uh 00:32:23.458-->00:32:29.500 and then you know uh uh basically we have like an hour long serious talk where people 00:32:29.500-->00:32:34.458 are expected to concentrate, and by the time we get to the second talk because we’re in a pub um 00:32:34.458-->00:32:39.000 probably not quite so concentrated and focused so we have like a funny wacky talk 00:32:39.000-->00:32:43.708 usually. something that’s not necessarily specifically technically hacking but 00:32:43.708-->00:32:49.083 something we as a hacking community would find interesting. So we’ve had talks 00:32:49.083-->00:32:55.083 about um you know home home made torches, how to make a really bright torch or how to make uh 00:32:55.083-->00:33:01.125 thermic lance or fireworks or crap like that so things we we’ll find quite fun. Um I think 00:33:01.125-->00:33:08.458 we’re quite keen to get to Q and A so I won’t take up anymore of your time. >>[inaudible talking] 00:33:08.458-->00:33:11.667 >>Waz? Waz is doing something else man he doesn’t care. >>Actually you have a lot more 00:33:11.667-->00:33:16.417 time. >>Oh [laughs] >>Eff [laughter] >>I would like >>NOw he tells us >>I would like, I 00:33:16.417-->00:33:22.125 would like to add one more thing. Uh uh regard uh as Jayson has said that we should go to 00:33:22.125-->00:33:28.125 the remote areas to teach the kids to start uh in the the to know what they they can do, so 00:33:28.125-->00:33:32.917 I’m planning to like bring my Def Con group to the remote areas to teach the kids the 00:33:32.917-->00:33:36.583 basic stuff. How to [inaudible] electronics, how a computer works, [inaudible] I think that 00:33:36.583-->00:33:44.875 would be meaningful if you guys want to do it with me I thinks it will be better so ya. Oh, I 00:33:44.875-->00:33:53.375 named this Def Con hacker tour but Jays, Jeff said that you should add it geroup so I I name 00:33:53.375-->00:34:01.750 it like Def Con group hacker tour. So wha uh actually uh to deal with the government it’s 00:34:01.750-->00:34:07.583 very hard so I got to kind of support of my company’s my colleagues, they are deal they 00:34:07.583-->00:34:13.042 usually they are very good at dealing with them so they uh all uh actually there alrady 00:34:13.042-->00:34:22.833 projects that uh where the anyways for the schools to teach the kids so I would a corporate 00:34:22.833-->00:34:26.000 them to go to the uh remote areas so that was to dealing with the government or the 00:34:26.000-->00:34:33.292 police won’t be a problem for me. >>Very good. Any questions? >>Ask them to come upfront. 00:34:33.292-->00:34:36.958 >>What? Huh? >>Ask [inaudible words] >>Ya. If you, if you have some questions for us, if you 00:34:36.958-->00:34:41.458 could if you could come up here when you ask the question. There’s a purpose for that I I 00:34:41.458-->00:34:46.375 promise it’s not >>Cause we want to put you on the spot so come on up. >>No pies in the face, 00:34:46.375-->00:34:50.125 promise. >>But I wanna I wanna ask a question first. Can you please raise your hand if you’re 00:34:50.125-->00:34:56.833 already currently in a Def Con group? That’s awesome, very cool. >>That’s not enough 00:34:56.833-->00:35:00.708 though. >>How many people want to get into a Def Con group now that they’ve been to this panel? 00:35:00.708-->00:35:09.000 EVen better! Awesome. [coughing] okay Yes. >>So uh I’ve tried to start a Def Con group locally 00:35:09.000-->00:35:13.417 and I’m just waiting, I haven't gotten any response from like my submission and so I’m like 00:35:13.417-->00:35:19.708 scared to move forward with like buying swag and advertising and stuff like that cause I need to 00:35:19.708-->00:35:24.708 ensure I’m not going to like, >>When, when >>You don’t need permission hack the system just 00:35:24.708-->00:35:29.208 do it. >>Exactly. When did you send it out? >>Mid May. >>Oh. [Laughter] Then you should've 00:35:29.208-->00:35:32.083 gotten a response. [Laughter] >>Okay >>You’re in the right spot for an answer for that 00:35:32.083-->00:35:36.667 though now. >>That’s why I’m here. >>There you go. Awesome. >>It went in the black hole. 00:35:36.667-->00:35:39.667 >>Yup. The the man right there next to you, is the guy who to talk to about getting that uh 00:35:39.667-->00:35:45.583 taken care of immediately. >>Thanks. >>Awesome. Yes? >>Hey guys, >>Hey. >>um what do you 00:35:45.583-->00:35:50.917 guys do about uh finances? Do you collect fees or do you take donations >>Oh that’s a great 00:35:50.917-->00:35:54.750 question. >>for that or? >>Um >>I’m not gonna answer it. >>Ya I I can take that one off so um 00:35:54.750-->00:35:59.958 there’s a uh when we first started we had a a company um that was owned by a friend of 00:35:59.958-->00:36:08.250 mine and he actually uh I guess sponsored to some extent and so uh for some groups he would send 00:36:08.250-->00:36:15.500 money and basically buy food like pizza and then beer if we wanted it and then uh when we 00:36:15.500-->00:36:19.792 sort of moved it into a more technical direction, you know for like raspberry pi’s and 00:36:19.792-->00:36:24.375 things so that’s that’s always an option. >>Um, we actually do the opposite. We try and not to 00:36:24.375-->00:36:30.667 get money. We have to refuse it from the the venue um so we’re in the basement of a pub and 00:36:30.667-->00:36:37.000 Tuesday nights were a dead night for them and now we bring over 100 people in once a month and 00:36:37.000-->00:36:44.250 those people drink and eat and the normal um marvel if you’re like a comedy club or something 00:36:44.250-->00:36:50.125 and you're in those venues, you either charge at the door or you take a a percentage of the take 00:36:50.125-->00:36:57.083 at the bar and so when we started bringing in money on the Tuesday night, the the the pub 00:36:57.083-->00:37:01.625 came to us and said okay so um now you’ve reached the level we should give you a percentage and 00:37:01.625-->00:37:08.750 we decided um that it would just complicate things. we would then have this pool of cash that we 00:37:08.750-->00:37:14.500 then have something to do with so unless it was a very clear what do we do with this money, I 00:37:14.500-->00:37:20.792 didn’t want to pollute the the ethic of it being just a free open thing uh with money so 00:37:20.792-->00:37:28.792 we just say no thanks but. >>Thank you. >>Yes >>Actually the the the the money from my 00:37:28.792-->00:37:33.458 Def Con group has come from my company and uh the the the resources I use for example the 00:37:33.458-->00:37:38.333 [inaudible] I use, come from my team. So I convinced my [laughs] leaders to to support me. I 00:37:38.333-->00:37:44.750 don’t think that the uh by like taking money from company can like uh pollute the the the the 00:37:44.750-->00:37:51.000 free environment because uh aztec and steel like corporates other with other companies. I 00:37:51.000-->00:37:55.125 invite them to to join us but uh as long as you can get this down and uh I think it’s it’s it’s 00:37:55.125-->00:38:01.792 good because uh the attendees will if you want to come way there's like no obstacles for 00:38:01.792-->00:38:08.917 them for them to come. I think that’s a good thing. And the company that does till now they 00:38:08.917-->00:38:14.958 didn’t they didn’t require anything from me ha atleast. Yes. >>We did bake sales. >>Oh. 00:38:14.958-->00:38:24.917 [Laughter] >>Alligator muffins. >>Woooh! [Laughter] >>Uh so for meeting twice a month how much 00:38:24.917-->00:38:29.083 work do you think would typically be involved for meeting twice a month for a Def 00:38:29.083-->00:38:36.042 Con group? >>Um I think it depends on how uh for so if I were to meet twice a month uh I 00:38:36.042-->00:38:43.542 would look at all different options. So we have uh we regularly have now that we built 00:38:43.542-->00:38:47.667 the um the retro pi’s we always have like vintage games or lockpicking for people that just 00:38:47.667-->00:38:51.125 want to come and hangout, of we’ll just throw together something uh like an older um 00:38:51.125-->00:38:58.000 older system and some wifi and do some wifi hacking basics or just put planning if you want to 00:38:58.000-->00:39:02.750 do a bigger project I think it just depends on the maybe the technical maturity of the group 00:39:02.750-->00:39:07.167 or the ones that be would be attending on a regular basis so I think that sort of depends on 00:39:07.167-->00:39:13.625 just the the atmosphere and those who attend. >>Uh I did a um uh uh 2 meeting uh 2 month 00:39:13.625-->00:39:18.250 meeting, uh 2 meetings a month uh group and what we did was we had the first meeting of the 00:39:18.250-->00:39:24.042 month was a social meeting. There were no talks on hacking or anything like that it was 00:39:24.042-->00:39:27.917 just people showing up and actually interacting with each other and having to talk and get 00:39:27.917-->00:39:31.583 to know what's going on and just you know shoot the breeze and actually in a nice social 00:39:31.583-->00:39:34.667 setting uh usually at a restaurant or something. Everybody would just get 00:39:34.667-->00:39:39.042 together and socialize and then the second meeting of the month would be the technical meeting 00:39:39.042-->00:39:42.708 where we would actually have projects, we would have someone giving a talk, or it’s like we 00:39:42.708-->00:39:47.417 would all do like a capture the flag. it would be an actual technical meeting so it’s like 00:39:47.417-->00:39:52.125 you have one social and then one technical uh to sort of balance it out. >>Ya. >>So those are two 00:39:52.125-->00:39:55.500 good options. >>I would I would also give the advice that if you are going to do 2 meetings a 00:39:55.500-->00:39:59.750 month that and actually this goes for even if you’re just going to have 1 meeting a month, 00:39:59.750-->00:40:04.458 like uh you can’t rely on just one person to run everything like if you have like 1 person 00:40:04.458-->00:40:10.875 that is the point of contact for the meeting or the group or whatever and and like they have 00:40:10.875-->00:40:18.125 to go on vacation or go on an engagement for work or something like that and it falls apart 00:40:18.125-->00:40:22.417 every time they’re not available um that’s not good for the group. So you have to have at 00:40:22.417-->00:40:27.292 like at least 2 if not more members who are willing to say like yeah we should get some 00:40:27.292-->00:40:32.833 talks together, I’ll talk to so and so, that kind of thing. >>Ya uh something that we to sort of 00:40:32.833-->00:40:38.167 prevent that too is we make sure to let everyone in the group know like hey there’s no like 00:40:38.167-->00:40:43.167 you know one you know single power in this group, like this is a group. So if you have an 00:40:43.167-->00:40:49.042 idea or a project you wanna do just get it ready let us know if we need to get supplies and just 00:40:49.042-->00:40:55.458 bring your idea or if you have a talk just let us know and just bring it. Uh that way it’s not 00:40:55.458-->00:41:00.667 like Grifter said it’s not dependant on one person. >>Uh would it be too hokey to do a 00:41:00.667-->00:41:06.667 quick 30, 45 second picture of our group? >>What, what >>What? >>Def Con 201. >>Where, where is 00:41:06.667-->00:41:10.667 201? >>North Jersey. >>North Jersey? >>So do it? Okay. Uh ya were Def Con 201 uh in NOrth 00:41:10.667-->00:41:17.583 Jersey about a 7 minute train ride outside of New York City, um sorta similar to some to what 00:41:17.583-->00:41:22.917 some of these guys were saying we are a lucky hybrid mashup of an already existing hacker 00:41:22.917-->00:41:27.833 space, and also the strong infosec community in New York city so we have a hole range of 00:41:27.833-->00:41:33.500 people from Nubes to people who are Def Con OG’s and have spoken several times. We do a lot of 3D 00:41:33.500-->00:41:38.042 printing and ticker typical hackerspace stuff. But we're also trying to set up some CTF 00:41:38.042-->00:41:43.708 servers and we always have uh infosec talks. Um we meet every third Friday and we have pretty 00:41:43.708-->00:41:48.708 consistently for the past 6 months and we just had our first month with a second meeting and 00:41:48.708-->00:41:52.125 it was like you said, uh we redesigned the website. I’m actually trying to get the IT 00:41:52.125-->00:41:58.458 guy, this is admin guy to uh deploy that while uh I’m here now um but if anyone is in the 00:41:58.458-->00:42:02.958 New York City oh we we we get members coming in from very far too even though there’s a robust 00:42:02.958-->00:42:08.125 community there uh all the way from Long Island some people we have one dude who actually comes 00:42:08.125-->00:42:13.375 in from Philly uh if anybody’s in that area, in the New York city or North Jersey area raise 00:42:13.375-->00:42:19.458 your hand or let me know I”ll give you the info. >>Um [inaudible words] >>Now you’re a 00:42:19.458-->00:42:25.208 Def Con speaker. [Laughter] [Applause] >>Congratulations. [Applause] Um, [inaudible word] 00:42:25.208-->00:42:31.875 >>Do you guys have any um tips and suggestions for when you’re in more of a rural area uh we 00:42:31.875-->00:42:37.250 have a very small 2600 group and you’ve mentioned that you kinda split off from 2600 groups but 00:42:37.250-->00:42:43.167 do you also kind of encourage collaboration with or maybe even overlapping with? >>Ya 00:42:43.167-->00:42:47.083 definitely incorp collaboration there like I said there’s no competition and and also the 00:42:47.083-->00:42:52.417 other thing is like one of the things you can do uh if you got uh uh a rural Def Con group is 00:42:52.417-->00:42:58.625 making sure that you're doing uh a chat system. It’s like uh doing a Slack Channel or uh 00:42:58.625-->00:43:02.000 having some kind of interaction on the forums or like facebook profile where you can like take 00:43:02.000-->00:43:06.458 pictures and share message and actually maybe invite speakers to skype in from other 00:43:06.458-->00:43:10.542 locations. It’s like reach out to different speakers and different people and say hey can 00:43:10.542-->00:43:15.000 you skype in and and do a meeting for us? >>Ya and I think also um so if something for for 00:43:15.000-->00:43:20.250 Utah, one of the things that we do because there are so many other organizations, we have 00:43:20.250-->00:43:26.042 like this umbrella organization, we call it Utah Sec so like I am the point of contact through 00:43:26.042-->00:43:31.417 DC801 for Utah Sec and then there’s like infragard and the snort user group and like so 00:43:31.417-->00:43:34.708 every meeting like saint con they all have someone who represents them um and get 00:43:34.708-->00:43:40.208 together and kind of talk about like oh hey you were gonna do a talk this month, this way like 00:43:40.208-->00:43:44.792 the content that gets shared at those meetings normally only once can get spread among a 00:43:44.792-->00:43:48.875 larger group and usually that means some cross pollination as well so if you wanna get 00:43:48.875-->00:43:53.333 additional members I’d encourage like going to some of the other meetings like I Sock or ISSA 00:43:53.333-->00:43:57.917 meetings and things like that that are in the area and then being like we wanna do a Def Con 00:43:57.917-->00:44:02.708 group. >>Well the thing is is our our area is so rural that we don’t have much of a tech field 00:44:02.708-->00:44:06.667 but we we know they’re hiding in the woodworks and we’re trying to drag them out through having 00:44:06.667-->00:44:11.125 a 2600 and or a Def Con group. >>Mmm >>Smoke em out. >>That’s what we’re trying to do. So, ya 00:44:11.125-->00:44:15.458 if you have any tips on on bringing those people out of the woodwork in such a rural area 00:44:15.458-->00:44:20.000 that doesn’t normally have technology in the forefront, that’s very helpful. >>And you 00:44:20.000-->00:44:24.375 don’t always have to do like high like technical things at the gr at the meet up too it 00:44:24.375-->00:44:27.417 could just be like Jayson said the one that they did it it was just hanging out getting to know 00:44:27.417-->00:44:32.458 you know like minded people or even uh you know teaching lockpicking or you know vintage 00:44:32.458-->00:44:36.667 video games or something just to start building that community, and then from there somebody 00:44:36.667-->00:44:40.708 might have an idea or something for a project so. >>That’s great. Thank you very much. 00:44:40.708-->00:44:44.917 >>Sure Thank you. >>And just one quick second I want to remind everybody about the DCG mixer. 00:44:44.917-->00:44:49.917 Come meet the Def Con Groups organizers after their talk on Friday this Def Con groups mixer 00:44:49.917-->00:44:53.500 is for all who were or who want to members of local Def Con groups. Come to get info, meet 00:44:53.500-->00:44:59.750 peers and get some DCG swag they’ll be a limited amount of free beer via kegs courtesy of 00:44:59.750-->00:45:02.792 The Dark Tangent. So that’s what he was doing, he was getting the kegs ready so thank you for 00:45:02.792-->00:45:11.292 that. Where? the Chill Out Lounge Promenade Level. When? 1800 to 20, 100. Friday which is 00:45:11.292-->00:45:15.750 today so. >>Get it while you can. >>Hope to see you there. >>Ya it it’s I think it’s starts 00:45:15.750-->00:45:17.750 like right at 6 o'clock but so >>Don’t tell em that because there’s free beer they’ll leave. 00:45:17.750-->00:45:22.708 >>Ya so from here so come come hangout with us and uh have some free drinks and whatever. >>So 00:45:22.708-->00:45:28.625 yes >>uh Okie dokie so uh mocal Def Con chapter has been around for quite a while but 00:45:28.625-->00:45:33.833 unfortunately activity oin us has been kinda slow because uh our past uh let’s say let’s say 00:45:33.833-->00:45:39.500 uh council has had to take off due to family and other professional or or uh 00:45:39.500-->00:45:42.542 obligations decided to leave and we’re trying to jump start it back up at the moment but I was 00:45:42.542-->00:45:47.625 just kinda curious as to how you would if you got if you all had any uh no not just a panel but 00:45:47.625-->00:45:52.333 anyone else has also had like uh scheduling conflict issues, when you’re trying to get the group 00:45:52.333-->00:45:56.875 but not but not everyone’s able to participate due to like needs being needs that go beyond it. 00:45:56.875-->00:46:02.417 >>JUst you gotta, oh man microphone You just gotta you gotta >>It’s truly important to 00:46:02.417-->00:46:06.875 have a regular um date, you just have to pick one and stick with it. I mean we meet the last 00:46:06.875-->00:46:10.708 Tuesday of the month >>Ya you gotta pick something >>and that’s not right for everyone 00:46:10.708-->00:46:15.083 but nothing’s going to be right for everyone so. >>Exactly. As as long as it’s consistent. If 00:46:15.083-->00:46:18.875 you move it around then you’ll just lose people all the time and then the numbers dwindle. 00:46:18.875-->00:46:23.417 Like just say like okay it’s going to be this day every month and leave it there. >>CAuse 00:46:23.417-->00:46:28.458 people will start planning for it then. So the other thing is make sure you announce. We find 00:46:28.458-->00:46:35.875 um we we like everyone we’re busy, lazy, useless and uh [laughter] if the the months 00:46:35.875-->00:46:41.333 where we announce at least a week in advance, we get a much bigger attendance and there’s 00:46:41.333-->00:46:48.167 even regulars just forget okay always oh it’s that Tuesday again d****t. I would’ve come 00:46:48.167-->00:46:51.750 but I arranged this other thing and did things so um if we had announced a week earlier and 00:46:51.750-->00:46:56.292 reminded them they would've kept the time free um so you know give good information and be 00:46:56.292-->00:47:03.750 consistent. >>Heck yeah thank you very much. [coughing] >>Yes? >>Hi just to comment back on 00:47:03.750-->00:47:09.208 your internet safety uh IAC Squared has a safe and secure online. Uh There’s like 2 tracks 00:47:09.208-->00:47:13.125 for like elementary middle school, there’s also another one for seniors. Vetting you know 00:47:13.125-->00:47:18.583 work with the teachers, and I mean they’ve got a format made where you can take advantage of 00:47:18.583-->00:47:20.750 [inaudible words] >>We wouldn’t mind taking a look at it ya it’s like we don’t want it to be 00:47:20.750-->00:47:24.917 corporate you know because IAC squared but uh we we’d want to do that little hacker edge to it 00:47:24.917-->00:47:28.375 but ya that’s actually a good resource to we’ll steal from I mean borrow I mean uh uh look 00:47:28.375-->00:47:32.292 at. [Laughs] >>We’re not competing. >>Cool. >>Thank you. >>Thank you. >>Thank you. >>So I 00:47:32.292-->00:47:38.250 was wondering when setting woah, when I’m setting up a space for this and working it out, when 00:47:38.250-->00:47:42.042 you get the especially the teenage kids, maybe younger kids, how do you even you know 00:47:42.042-->00:47:46.792 cover yourself if they go do something nefarious? >>Um >>Unfortunately you know I don’t 00:47:46.792-->00:47:49.625 think you can control everybody so >>Just >>No I mean we we don’t >>Just don’t attack any of 00:47:49.625-->00:47:54.417 them and then it’s pretty solid. >>You just always remind em it’s like Law enforcement as is is 00:47:54.417-->00:48:01.542 invited and welcomed to these meetings as anybody else so uh don’t do shady stuff at the 00:48:01.542-->00:48:05.667 meetings. [Laughs] It’s like. >>[inaudible talking] >>But you know if like myself or a few 00:48:05.667-->00:48:09.292 others you know if I’m in charge of it they have a tendency to come after those people if they 00:48:09.292-->00:48:13.625 do something bad so. >>don't have one person in charge. >>Okay >>Yeah >>Okay. >>Yeah 00:48:13.625-->00:48:21.042 >>Thank you >>Hi um I’m pow from uh DC 170 from >>HI Pow! >>Hi! [Laughter] >>We are the I think 00:48:21.042-->00:48:30.417 are the first Def Con group in Spain we are based in Barcelona and one thing we do there's uh 00:48:30.417-->00:48:36.917 every year we host a security conference uh we made it the people uh for our Def Con group 00:48:36.917-->00:48:42.750 and uh I want to officially invite the all all of the other Def Con groups to attend to this 00:48:42.750-->00:48:49.542 conference cause I think it will be a it will be cool like to meet everybody from other Def 00:48:49.542-->00:48:54.000 Con groups and make a community there in Spain. In Spain uh computer security community is 00:48:54.000-->00:48:59.375 just starting so that’s it I I just want to invite you. Uh WE’ll we’l hose a conference in 00:48:59.375-->00:49:07.167 September but we do it every year >>Nice >>and Grifter is coming to speak >>Very cool 00:49:07.167-->00:49:10.750 >>and if you want more information want to join us uh reach me, I will be around uh 00:49:10.750-->00:49:16.917 and just for sake uh we can help the speakers and attendees uh for hosting them and everything. 00:49:16.917-->00:49:22.000 >>Uh I’ve been to Barcelona, it’s beautiful city yeah Good place to go. >>Thank you >>Thank 00:49:22.000-->00:49:26.208 you >>Thank you >>That was it guys uh thank you for sticking out uh hopefully [applause] you 00:49:26.208-->00:49:29.875 go to the mixer and we’ll wait for one per question right here. Yes? [applause] Oops. [laughs] 00:49:29.875-->00:49:38.417 >>Okay >>You snuck up on me. >>Um uh just one question um uh I intend to create a group for a 00:49:38.417-->00:49:44.458 region rather than one country, >>Right. >>So um apparently you use the area code or my country 00:49:44.458-->00:49:53.500 code for this >>Right. >>So how would I do that? >>Uh what’s the region? Uh oh you uh the 00:49:53.500-->00:49:56.542 question was he wants to start a Def Con group for a region so like several countries not just 00:49:56.542-->00:50:04.333 one country. Uh What region is it? >>Uh I was gonna suggest Def Con GCC. Which is Gulf 00:50:04.333-->00:50:12.750 Cooperation Council. >>Okay um that is interesting um the we will have to take that one 00:50:12.750-->00:50:16.208 >>That’s a thinker >>offline and look at it >>That’s a thinker >>because uh I don’t have an 00:50:16.208-->00:50:21.292 answer uh and I’m just gonna hymn and hall a little bit until ya >>Give you a little bit of 00:50:21.292-->00:50:26.958 background um I don't I don’t remember when I started attending this Def Con whether 00:50:26.958-->00:50:33.458 it was the second one or third one, um I stopped in 2011 then I came back now um it’s much 00:50:33.458-->00:50:41.500 better than what uh I was uh expecting. >>Oh very cool. >>Uh uh I’m the ex german of coit IT 00:50:41.500-->00:50:48.167 Society my back on this can be dealt uh so I’ve done a lot but uh why I’m doing for the region 00:50:48.167-->00:50:57.417 because I believe that um not having one group uh is much better than having uh multiple 00:50:57.417-->00:51:01.417 groups. >>Well it it depends it’s like we’ll definitely go offline like cause it’s like it 00:51:01.417-->00:51:05.958 all depends. it’s like i would suggest like having it like mult having each one for each country 00:51:05.958-->00:51:10.375 it’s like re and then just having a group meeting in the different regions but we’ll talk 00:51:10.375-->00:51:15.625 about that offline. >>Eventually the entire region will be one. >>Ya okay. Well thank you very 00:51:15.625-->00:51:21.000 much. It's like uh once again guys thanks for sticking it out, really appreciate it [applause] 00:51:21.000-->00:00:00.000 and [applause].