[00:05.540 --> 00:10.060] Hi there, welcome to my talk, Experimental Aviation Risks and Reward for the Aerospace [00:10.060 --> 00:14.580] Village DEFCON 28 Safe Mode. I decided to do this talk with a little bit lighter content [00:14.580 --> 00:20.020] than the stuff I did last year. Since those of us involved in security and variably are [00:20.020 --> 00:25.000] also involved with risk, I thought it would be interesting to kind of apply the risk model [00:25.000 --> 00:29.380] to some different perspectives. Since I'm building my own aircraft, I'll talk about [00:29.380 --> 00:34.300] some of the things that I learned, some of the decisions that you will have to undergo [00:34.300 --> 00:39.600] if you decide to actually get involved with building your own aircraft, and hopefully [00:39.600 --> 00:47.400] give you a new perspective on this particular segment of DII and being a maker of building [00:47.400 --> 00:55.980] your own airplane. So, again, my name is Patrick Kiley. I'm a member of the Penetration Testing [00:55.980 --> 01:03.920] Team at Rapid7. Previously, I've done research last year on avionic security. There's a talk [01:03.920 --> 01:09.200] that you can look up for last year's Aviation Village, before it became this year's Aerospace [01:09.200 --> 01:14.680] Village, where I talked about CAN bus and avionics. I've also done other research in [01:14.680 --> 01:19.760] internet-connected transportation platforms. I have experience in hardware hacking, Internet [01:19.760 --> 01:27.460] of Things, CAN bus quite a bit, and I'm building my own airplane. So here's kind of a quick [01:27.460 --> 01:31.940] overview of the agenda. We're going to talk about the FAA regulations very lightly and [01:31.940 --> 01:37.340] specifically this 51% rule. We'll talk about plans and kits, a little bit on quick builds [01:37.340 --> 01:43.340] as well. Composite versus riveted aluminum construction, you know, just kind of the construction [01:43.340 --> 01:49.260] materials that you can choose to build your airframe out of. A little treatise on making [01:49.260 --> 01:55.300] changes to tested designs, talk about engine selection, avionics, and then a little bit [01:55.300 --> 02:06.530] about the final steps after you've completed. So the FAA defines the language for what is [02:06.530 --> 02:10.710] permitted if you're going to build your own airplane. So certified aircraft have a ridiculous [02:10.710 --> 02:18.090] amount of regulations they have to comply with for safety to ensure, you know, consistency [02:18.090 --> 02:22.350] and everything else. And it's one of the reasons that makes certified aircraft so expensive. [02:23.770 --> 02:29.210] Experimental aircraft are not cheap by any means whatsoever, but they are a little bit more [02:29.790 --> 02:38.590] advantageous. The FAA defines the rules and federal aviation regulations 21.121 section G, and then [02:38.590 --> 02:44.470] they've got an advisory circulator that they did 20-27 where they clarify some additional stuff [02:44.470 --> 02:49.450] because of what some of the other manufacturers are starting to do. The biggest thing is you need [02:49.450 --> 02:55.370] to have proof, you know, you need proof that you actually, this was built by a person and not a [02:55.370 --> 03:01.890] company. So this is basically be taking pictures of your work, keeping a blog, keeping other records [03:01.890 --> 03:07.750] showing that you bought the components, that you put them together, something showing your progress. [03:07.750 --> 03:13.390] The work can be started by someone else. You can actually buy somebody else's amateur built kit and [03:13.390 --> 03:16.650] finish it yourself. Of course, you know, cabbie and emptor, you don't know what their skill set [03:16.650 --> 03:22.690] is, so you need to have someone who knows to kind of help review it and be able to actually examine [03:22.690 --> 03:28.830] the work up till then and see if it's sound. And then you can also have help. That's how [03:28.830 --> 03:33.710] quick builds work. There are a lot of programs where you can actually go to a factory and do [03:33.710 --> 03:37.970] most of the work and then you just have the instructors there to guide you so you actually [03:37.970 --> 03:43.870] comply with that 51% rule. A repairman's certificate is a little bit different. A repairman's certificate [03:43.870 --> 03:49.150] basically allows you to work on it after it's done. So, for example, you can work on the engine [03:49.150 --> 03:54.170] more and wouldn't have to hire an airframe and power plant mechanic. You can demonstrate [03:54.730 --> 04:00.270] you have the skill to do the work safely and successfully. That's what a repairman's certificate [04:00.270 --> 04:05.270] is. It's separate from the airworthiness certificate and it's a demonstration of the [04:05.270 --> 04:09.730] skill, not a demonstration of the work. And experimental aircraft have restrictions that [04:10.570 --> 04:16.610] don't apply to commercial aircraft. You cannot use an experimental aircraft in a for hire manner. [04:16.670 --> 04:20.310] But if you're just moving yourself and your family around and you're not charging for it, [04:20.310 --> 04:26.630] you're allowed to do that. You can basically use it for pleasure all pretty much within the [04:26.630 --> 04:29.950] limitations. When you get the airworthiness certificate, your airworthiness certificate is [04:29.950 --> 04:34.730] going to have its own set of limitations in it and it's going to be very clearly defined [04:35.210 --> 04:42.250] as to what you're not allowed to do with it. Beyond that, the topic is very complicated and [04:42.670 --> 04:47.050] I would just encourage you to do the research if you want to use an experimental aircraft in a [04:47.050 --> 04:53.010] particular manner. There's going to be someone who has actually tried and done it and the answer is [04:53.010 --> 04:58.910] going to be out there for you on the internet. So, why would you want to choose an experimental [04:58.910 --> 05:03.250] aircraft? It can't be just because you want to fly. If you want to fly, you should just rent. [05:03.250 --> 05:07.810] There are many things in life that you should rent and not own. Aircraft is probably one of [05:07.810 --> 05:12.390] them, but if you want to fly something that's a little bit more higher performance and you're an [05:12.390 --> 05:18.170] engineering nut and like to build stuff, this might just be for you. You have to be able to tolerate [05:18.370 --> 05:23.830] a certain amount of risk. Building something that's normally done by professionals automatically [05:23.830 --> 05:29.430] inherits a specific amount of risk and you have to be willing to analyze that, see what it is, [05:29.430 --> 05:33.470] accept it. It's going to be probably the most complicated thing you've ever done [05:34.410 --> 05:38.290] because you're not just doing the airframe, you're doing the avionics, you're doing the engine. [05:38.670 --> 05:43.730] It's a lot of different disciplines mixed in together, but you can get a higher performance [05:43.730 --> 05:48.190] aircraft than you would be able to get for a specific dollar amount. The image that I have [05:48.190 --> 05:53.230] here of the Long Easy, it's a very high performing aircraft. It's also very reasonably [05:53.230 --> 05:58.950] priced. It's a two-seater tandem. One of my favorites is you'll kind of see later when you [05:58.950 --> 06:04.030] actually see that the kit that I chose to build, it's a very solid choice for an experimental [06:04.030 --> 06:10.090] aircraft. So how are you going to build it? There are a few different ways you can go about this. [06:10.090 --> 06:15.150] You can buy a set of plans. I actually have a set of plans here for my kit. This is a [06:15.150 --> 06:21.810] set of Cozy Plans. It's a very thick, bound, large bound manual that also comes with some [06:21.810 --> 06:27.530] very large format drawings. So this is some drawings of the instrument panel using [06:27.530 --> 06:33.170] conventional gauges. And then, you know, that's just one section or two sections of the plans [06:33.170 --> 06:38.930] that actually cover the whole thing. The other thing that you can do, and when you buy plans, [06:38.930 --> 06:44.250] you actually just source everything. You're going to buy all the components. For example, this one, [06:44.250 --> 06:48.410] it's going to be all the fiberglass, all the epoxy, all the individual metal components. [06:48.410 --> 06:53.130] You're going to buy the engine, the airframe, the avionics, and you're going to build the [06:53.130 --> 06:57.890] airframe from scratch using just plans. It's the least expensive option. It's also the most time [06:57.890 --> 07:05.290] consuming. The way kits work is you purchase the plans and partially completed parts, enough to [07:05.290 --> 07:09.890] qualify for the 51% rule. They have some quick builds where a lot of the stuff is done for you, [07:09.890 --> 07:15.230] but you still have to finish it, and it greatly decreases the amount of time that you spend on it. [07:15.230 --> 07:21.430] But you also increase the cost. The picture I have here is actually from Sun and Fun 2017. [07:21.470 --> 07:28.210] It's a Velocity Twin. It's a gorgeous aircraft, very high performing, beautiful inside, [07:28.210 --> 07:33.370] canard design, which you can kind of see my preference towards those already. [07:33.610 --> 07:37.750] And then there's another thing called builder assistance programs, where you actually go to [07:37.750 --> 07:42.010] the manufacturer and they help you along the way, but ensure that you're actually doing [07:42.010 --> 07:44.770] enough to qualify for 51% of the work. [07:47.450 --> 07:50.330] And then there's different materials. So if you're going to build an aircraft, [07:50.330 --> 07:56.030] if you want just something low and slow, or maybe a small and single seat airbag, [07:56.030 --> 08:00.170] the Fabric Overwood is perfectly valid. The very first aircraft were made from these. You [08:00.170 --> 08:08.770] might have some just aluminum tubes, aluminum spars, and the rest of it's going to be wood. [08:09.390 --> 08:14.250] It also can be very lightweight. And then you cover that with a doped fabric. It's a special [08:14.250 --> 08:22.010] type of fabric that's coated in epoxy to make it very rigid, relatively easy compared to the other [08:22.010 --> 08:26.690] techniques, inexpensive. This was just a gorgeous one that I saw at Sun and Fun. I'm not even sure [08:26.690 --> 08:32.430] if it's fabric covered, but it's the type of aircraft that you'll see. Probably the most [08:32.430 --> 08:36.890] popular style out there, the one that has the most examples flying, is riveted aluminum. [08:36.890 --> 08:42.150] The Vans RV line of aircraft are all riveted aluminum, maybe with some composite components [08:42.150 --> 08:50.230] that you add here and there. And that's how, for the majority of aircraft history, aircraft were [08:50.230 --> 08:55.610] built. It was aluminum that was all held together by rivets. You have to be comfortable banging [08:55.610 --> 09:02.610] rivets, working with blind rivets, but it's very strong and light. It was only recently that [09:02.610 --> 09:07.850] aircraft construction moved towards composite, but you'll still see a lot of riveted construction [09:07.850 --> 09:16.570] out there for existing airframes. And now we get to my favorite composite. So this is what I chose, [09:16.570 --> 09:24.050] fiberglass and epoxy, or carbon fiber and epoxy. You can see a beautiful carbon fiber airfoil here. [09:26.210 --> 09:32.330] What is composite? So really, anytime you combine two materials, and when those two materials are [09:32.330 --> 09:36.710] combined, they form a stronger material, you get a composite. Concrete is a composite material [09:36.710 --> 09:41.310] because you have your aggregate, your sand, and your cement, and you get concrete. Sometimes, [09:41.310 --> 09:46.050] you know, with your reinforcing structures like rebar or other structures added to it, [09:46.050 --> 09:50.990] but it's still a composite. So fiberglass by itself is not a composite. Fiberglass, [09:50.990 --> 09:57.170] when it's bonded with epoxy, is a composite. Carbon fiber and Kevlar, not the bulletproof [09:57.170 --> 10:02.910] Kevlar, but an abrasion-resistant Kevlar, are also a couple of other fabric materials that [10:02.910 --> 10:08.990] can be used in composite construction. In fact, newer aircraft like the Dreamliners, [10:08.990 --> 10:20.030] all composite construction. 777X uses composite wings and then conventionally fabricated fuselage. [10:21.370 --> 10:27.130] So what I chose, the Burt Rutan design, this is a little bit about those, my favorites. [10:27.450 --> 10:34.490] He pioneered moldless composite construction. So it's a method of fabricating fiberglass parts [10:34.490 --> 10:43.510] without a mold. You take a section of foam, and I have an example right here. So for this image, [10:43.510 --> 10:48.230] this is a section that was actually removed from the aircraft in a building. You can see you have [10:48.230 --> 10:56.390] your fiberglass and epoxy layer, but beyond it you have sandwiched types of foam and they're [10:56.390 --> 11:04.230] held together with micro bubbles mixed in with epoxy to bond both the fiberglass to the first [11:04.230 --> 11:09.090] layer of foam and then the second layer of foam together. And what you do is on this other side, [11:09.090 --> 11:12.790] you're eventually going to get foam on this. Not for this, this is a discard piece. [11:13.670 --> 11:19.390] And between the two, by having this space separated by the two separate skins of fiberglass, [11:19.390 --> 11:23.390] you get much stronger construction. And you can basically take those shapes, you can [11:23.990 --> 11:30.330] lay them out, and then you lay the fiberglass on top of it into its final design. That was what [11:30.330 --> 11:35.430] Burt Rutan successfully did in his very easy and his long easy, and he turned that into scaled [11:35.430 --> 11:41.650] composites. And it now is going into space with that design. He just did Voyager, the aircraft [11:41.650 --> 11:48.190] that flew around the world without stopping, and many of his other brilliant designs. He was a big [11:48.190 --> 11:54.310] advocate of the canard. I think some of the the work has gone away from that, but I'll kind of [11:54.310 --> 12:00.430] go into what a canard is in the next slide. But most of his designs were canard based. [12:00.510 --> 12:04.410] Canards are very resistant to stalls. You still have to follow weight and balance, [12:04.410 --> 12:10.550] and you always have to ensure that it's far enough forward so that the canard stalls first. [12:10.550 --> 12:15.150] But a canard adds from lift instead of subtracting from it, as I'll kind of show you in the next [12:15.150 --> 12:21.090] image. This is all from Bold Method. In a canard designed aircraft, the canard always must stall [12:21.090 --> 12:26.170] first. If the main wing stalls first, you're going to enter into a situation called a deep stall, but [12:26.170 --> 12:29.690] it's a relatively easy thing to avoid as long as you follow weight and balance, which you're [12:29.690 --> 12:36.410] supposed to do every time you fly anyway. You'll never get into that situation. So a traditional, [12:36.410 --> 12:41.170] conventionally designed aircraft, you have your horizontal stabilizer that provides [12:41.950 --> 12:48.770] a vector of force opposite that of the wing. So it's providing, in this image, 250 pounds [12:48.770 --> 12:57.410] of negative lift that counteracts the 2250 pounds of positive lift. And then in a neutral situation, [12:57.410 --> 13:01.890] you have 2000 pounds of weight, you know, in this particular configuration. In a canard, [13:01.890 --> 13:07.190] the idea is that it's more efficient because both surfaces are providing lift. Both surfaces [13:07.190 --> 13:13.810] are providing a positive amount of lift to counteract the weight of the aircraft. [13:16.170 --> 13:22.090] Again, all this composite picture of the skin I just showed you, where you basically have a very [13:22.090 --> 13:30.410] thin layer of fiberglass embedded with epoxy. It's actually a very friendly method to get [13:30.410 --> 13:37.510] into. Both the aluminum and the epoxy kits, they have what are called kind of like builder's [13:37.510 --> 13:43.590] confidence kits. You're like, I'm not going to spend $10,000 on a set of components just to [13:43.590 --> 13:48.510] see that this is really not for me. So you can spend just a little bit and they'll give you some [13:48.510 --> 13:55.710] epoxy, some fiberglass, and some foam and you do it. You actually go through several steps to show [13:55.710 --> 14:00.290] that this is actually something that you're capable of. In this other image, we actually [14:00.290 --> 14:07.650] have a canard style wing that's for a COSY that's actually up on a jig before it has the [14:09.310 --> 14:18.330] fiberglass applied to it. So this is where I got into the selection for the plans that I [14:18.330 --> 14:25.490] eventually chose. So Bert Rutan designed the very easy and then he does design the long easy as a [14:26.170 --> 14:31.910] ground-up redesign of that. Long easy is a two-seat tandem aircraft. These pictures are from [14:31.910 --> 14:38.650] Sun and Fun 2017 when I took them. And then the picture you see here is that of an air canard [14:38.650 --> 14:43.570] that's still in partial primer. I was really interested in this one because it's the design [14:43.570 --> 14:48.730] that I originally chose to go with. And eventually I actually licensed the set of COSY plans as well [14:49.590 --> 14:54.730] because I just wanted to make sure everything was covered. There was some disagreement between [14:54.730 --> 14:59.190] Nat Puffer and the guy that designed the air canard, which is a slightly roomier version of [14:59.190 --> 15:06.730] the COSY. So just to avoid any possible issues in design, I wanted to have both set of plans [15:06.730 --> 15:11.930] because they're reasonably inexpensive. And I could actually decide that if something didn't [15:11.930 --> 15:20.940] give me a clear image, I figured the other set of plans would. So here's the little blurb about [15:20.940 --> 15:25.100] making changes. One of the biggest things I learned about from just looking in the forums, [15:25.100 --> 15:31.720] talking to people, is that any changes that you want to make can have unintended consequences. [15:32.200 --> 15:36.400] One of the earliest things I learned is like, you know, why wouldn't you not [15:36.980 --> 15:41.020] take the fiberglass and use carbon fiber? It's reasonably cheap now. [15:41.160 --> 15:45.600] Well, you're really not going to save a whole lot of weight, but you are going to introduce [15:45.600 --> 15:53.520] completely different moments of elasticity. You could actually add some vibration elements that [15:53.520 --> 15:58.440] could cause something to shear and cause something to fail and not anticipate it. [16:00.100 --> 16:04.940] The other big line that I heard was basically, you know, from your aircrafts actually end up [16:04.940 --> 16:08.260] being lighter because you're not going to be able to afford any avionics to put in it for after all [16:08.260 --> 16:11.760] the money you spent on the carbon fiber. So you'll end up with a lighter aircraft that way. [16:14.380 --> 16:18.160] It's pretty interesting when you actually dig into it and see that, you know, maybe not carbon [16:18.160 --> 16:22.900] fiber is the best choice for all aircraft. There are aircraft that were designed around carbon [16:22.900 --> 16:29.540] fiber. The Burkut, which is a fast and slick version of the Long EZ, is a carbon fiber variant, [16:29.540 --> 16:34.720] but it was designed from the ground up to have the amount of carbon fiber necessary that it has for [16:34.720 --> 16:40.000] it. And then this is kind of a famous line from a plan. If you want to put something in your [16:40.000 --> 16:43.860] airplane, first throw it up in the air. If it comes down, it doesn't belong in the airplane. [16:44.060 --> 16:48.860] The designer of this was very minimalist in what he designed. He wanted this aircraft to [16:48.860 --> 16:54.500] go without a battery. He wanted to go without a starter using just a prop start. Most people [16:54.500 --> 17:02.120] have chosen not to do that. There are other issues and risks when you deal with hand cranking a prop. [17:02.820 --> 17:06.160] You know, all it takes is a little slip of the foot and now all of a sudden you're, you know, [17:06.160 --> 17:13.500] like the bad guy in Indiana Jones with a big fat spinning piece of metal right in your face. So, [17:13.500 --> 17:19.400] no thank you. I'll pay the weight penalty and deal with the starter. And then with glass panel [17:19.400 --> 17:22.600] cockpits, you need to have a backup battery source. You need to have a power source. [17:22.820 --> 17:27.060] And if you're going to have a starter, you have to have a battery. But it just goes to show that, [17:27.060 --> 17:31.020] you know, you really need to be careful when you're actually considering making changes. [17:31.280 --> 17:34.620] Is this going to add weight? Is this going to change the wing loading? Is this going to [17:34.620 --> 17:40.640] significantly change the performance characteristics of the aircraft? And here's really a case study in [17:40.640 --> 17:47.000] this next example. The unfortunate accident that took John Denver's life. John Denver was [17:47.000 --> 17:55.840] flying along easy. The NTSB actually found that the probable cause of that accident was the designer [17:56.400 --> 18:03.980] decided to take the fuel selector valve and instead of it being in front in the area where [18:03.980 --> 18:12.160] it's easily reachable by the pilot, he relocated the fuel valve to be closer to the fuel source. [18:12.460 --> 18:17.020] But what that actually did is when you actually have to select it, you have to reach over your [18:17.020 --> 18:21.680] shoulder because of the, you know, just you're kind of confined in. So you actually have to do [18:21.680 --> 18:26.300] this maneuver to change the fuel valve. And then when he was doing that, they say he probably [18:27.780 --> 18:34.020] unintentionally put control pressure on the rudder, causing a loss of control, causing him to [18:34.020 --> 18:43.000] fly into Monterey Bay, taking his life. So just the thought, the designer, it's thought relocated [18:43.000 --> 18:46.620] the fuel valve to make the fuel line shorter. By having shorter fuel lines, there could be less [18:46.620 --> 18:51.980] risk of a fuel leak, but introduced other elements that were not necessarily reconsidered from the [18:51.980 --> 18:58.300] fuel valve being up front. So in a long easy, the fuel tanks are behind you, the engine is behind [18:58.300 --> 19:04.100] you. So the thought was let's put the fuel selector behind you as well. Maybe not the best idea. It's [19:04.260 --> 19:10.740] a perfect example of the unintended consequences that you can have from actually making changes and [19:10.740 --> 19:16.120] why you really need to take a risk-based approach to any possible changes than what the designers [19:16.120 --> 19:21.160] actually intended on this. Because an experimental aircraft is inherently a risky activity. [19:23.060 --> 19:27.860] That was a little section about engine selection. So when I was getting into this, I was debating [19:28.460 --> 19:38.480] did I want to spend tens of thousands of dollars on an engine that was effectively a 50-year-old [19:38.480 --> 19:44.100] design? And that's what they all are. All of the air-cooled engines out there are really based on [19:44.100 --> 19:51.140] old, old technology. Pardon me. But they're designed for the purpose where they're used. [19:51.580 --> 19:55.760] But the thing I quickly learned is that the problem you run into with automotive conversions [19:55.760 --> 20:02.060] is, and the Subaru is a big popular one because it's kind of the same horizontally flat plane [20:02.680 --> 20:08.340] opposed engine, you have all the cooling issues. You have to introduce some type of cooling system, [20:08.340 --> 20:14.960] now you have a radiator, you have additional weight. You have to put in a reducing gearbox [20:15.520 --> 20:19.680] to slow the engine speed down to the appropriate speed for a propeller. [20:20.040 --> 20:24.300] That adds additional weight, adds additional complexity, additional points of failure. [20:24.900 --> 20:28.500] And then you have to deal with the fuel injection system. A fuel injection system that [20:28.500 --> 20:34.300] if you're using the automotive ECU, you may end up going to limp mode. And when you're in a car, [20:34.300 --> 20:38.240] you can just pull over. In an aircraft, you have to find a place to land immediately if you lose [20:38.240 --> 20:44.260] power. It can introduce an element of danger that's unexpected. And what I discovered is [20:44.260 --> 20:49.560] they ended up not being cheaper. They ended up being heavier, more complicated, more prone to [20:49.560 --> 20:54.360] more things that can go wrong. And because of all the changes you have to make there, [20:54.360 --> 20:59.380] they end up not being any cheaper. So that leaves us with conventional engines. Okay, [20:59.380 --> 21:03.460] you can do a turbine, but if you have that kind of money, you're going to be getting a super high [21:03.460 --> 21:10.120] performance something anyway. So conventional engines, they are lightweight, they're expensive [21:10.120 --> 21:17.700] for what you get. They are just look up IO 360 new and you'll see what I mean. Not to mention [21:17.700 --> 21:23.320] things like an IO 540 or IO 540 turbo, you know, turbo normalized or, you know, some of the other [21:23.320 --> 21:27.340] fancier ones. And imagine if you had an aircraft that had two of these, which you'd have to pay [21:27.340 --> 21:33.980] for to replace them in. So there are experimental options. What that basically means, it hasn't [21:33.980 --> 21:39.120] gone through the exact same certification process because the certification process itself is [21:39.120 --> 21:46.040] expensive, but yet you get the same quality. So you can get an experimental version of these [21:46.040 --> 21:53.280] engines that have the same quality for a much more reasonable price than buying something else [21:53.280 --> 22:00.900] that would be kind of in the certificated realm. All right, avionics, one of my favorite subjects. [22:01.640 --> 22:06.080] So when most of these designs came out, all you had choices were like, you know, your [22:06.080 --> 22:12.240] little round steam gauges, as they call them. You have your individual airspeed indicator, [22:12.240 --> 22:17.220] your horizontal situation indicator, you know, your compass, your turn and slip, [22:17.220 --> 22:24.400] vertical speed, altimeter, all of your, you know, attitude indicator, all separate designs. [22:25.020 --> 22:31.360] In a glass panel, you combine all that with a moving map, with GPS, all your controls in a [22:31.360 --> 22:34.820] centralized point, but you're also introducing a central point of failure. So you need to have some [22:34.820 --> 22:42.060] additional plans for that. But glass panel avionics are getting cheaper all the time. They're some of [22:42.060 --> 22:46.340] my favorite things to mess with for those of you who've studied the previous research that I've [22:46.340 --> 22:53.580] done. I think they're safer. I think they provide you better situational awareness. Even in, you [22:53.580 --> 22:57.840] know, darkness, you're going to be able to see the terrain in front of you if you have a more recent [22:58.960 --> 23:03.140] system. So you're going to be able to see that because it's going to have the terrain database [23:03.140 --> 23:07.540] loaded into it. You're going to see that there's an antenna tower loaded and I have to refer down [23:07.540 --> 23:12.240] to a sectional chart and manually de-conflict. The aircraft is going to tell you that there's [23:12.240 --> 23:19.840] an issue coming up. All your approach procedures are going to be built into a database within the [23:19.840 --> 23:25.780] avionics. But what I feel that these need are some backup gauges. Now they have electronic backup [23:25.780 --> 23:33.660] gauges, but why not look for something that is reasonable and inexpensive and just use a couple [23:33.660 --> 23:41.620] of must-have backup instruments as your backups next to your steam gauges. I think that's the [23:41.620 --> 23:50.520] best way to go. All right, so a little blurb on avionics cost. And we're going to take the Garmin [23:50.520 --> 23:57.040] G3X for example. They make certified and experimental versions of the exact same display [23:57.040 --> 24:04.860] running the same firmware. Just it's been blessed by the FAA and received certification approval. [24:05.480 --> 24:13.400] $99.95 for just the display. That's without any of the instruments, without your magnetometer, [24:13.400 --> 24:21.800] without your airspeed sensors, your various electronic gyros, any of your engine instruments. [24:21.800 --> 24:28.120] $10,000 just for the display. Whereas the exact same experimental display is $3,895. [24:28.460 --> 24:35.920] So my opinion, best choice in avionics. What I like, the ones that I've actually displayed [24:35.920 --> 24:40.160] them for and they're not mine. I've just done research on them. But experimental glass with a [24:40.160 --> 24:43.800] emergency backup steam gauges is a great combination. [24:45.740 --> 24:50.920] Okay, so now that you've done this, you've actually built your aircraft, what's the next step? [24:50.920 --> 24:55.640] You have to get a special airworthiness certificate. So what you do is you work with [24:56.680 --> 25:03.360] what's called a DAR and you have it inspected and you get an airworthiness certificate that tells [25:03.360 --> 25:08.860] you you have to fly for 25 to 40 hours in a restricted area away from population. You have [25:08.860 --> 25:15.860] fly out of a special airport that's away from everyone else. And you have to basically fly off [25:15.860 --> 25:21.780] the number of hours to show that this aircraft is worthy to be operated on the same runways and [25:21.780 --> 25:28.120] areas that other aircraft operate. And if you DIY this, you effectively you are a test pilot. [25:28.740 --> 25:33.240] But there are people that you can hire for this. If you are not, [25:33.240 --> 25:37.020] you know, this is a level of risk that you don't necessarily want to undertake. There [25:37.020 --> 25:40.600] are people that you can hire that love to do this all the time that are very skilled, [25:40.600 --> 25:45.740] especially maybe for your particular airframe. But effectively what you have to do is you have [25:45.740 --> 25:49.640] to build a test plan. Same thing that test pilots would do. So the first thing you do is you fire [25:49.640 --> 25:54.580] up the engine, you test everything. Then you taxi around in a little bit, shut everything down, [25:54.580 --> 26:00.160] inspect everything. Then you undergo high speed taxi testing where you actually get almost up to [26:00.160 --> 26:05.740] flight speeds and then slow back down again. And then you have your first flight. And the biggest [26:05.740 --> 26:10.620] things I see in the plan sections are when you do this, you need to wear a parachute. [26:11.480 --> 26:16.540] I guess that assumes you need to have taken skydiving classes, but I guess any parachutes [26:16.540 --> 26:21.300] better than any parachute, even if you haven't been through this stuff, is better than not [26:21.300 --> 26:25.600] wearing one if you need to get out because you've gotten into an uncontrollable situation. [26:27.180 --> 26:31.200] But this is kind of like probably one of the most risky areas of flight. It's where a lot of the [26:31.200 --> 26:36.640] accidents happen because something was tinkered with, there were unintended consequences, and [26:36.640 --> 26:43.760] that's where disaster struck. So thank you. I think we're gonna have some Q&A after this, [26:43.760 --> 26:47.760] so we'll cut over to that. And please feel free, I look forward to your questions. [26:47.760 --> 26:49.420] Thank you for listening to my talk.