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6280	17760	One. Hello everyone, I am Plagg. It's a pleasure for me to be here with all of you and all our
17760	25180	panelists. We're gonna introduce you to something that we work quite a bit. I want to actually
25180	30620	acknowledge Miteki for all her hard work and these lines that we're gonna present.
31280	37080	But this is a labor of love that we have, and we're doing this for some reasons you'll see in
37160	42600	a moment. This panel is about introducing the Mita Mentor Program. So let's dive really quick
42600	46980	into that and then we'll explain what we want to do. From there we'll introduce our panelists
46980	54840	and then we'll have a chat about what the program is. So introducing the Mita Mentor Program.
55900	60880	So what are the Mita Mentor Program goals? So one of the primary goals for us is to bring
60880	67680	together mentors and mentees based on shared experiences, interests, and goals. We want to
67680	74920	help mentees develop goals to overcome career challenges, maybe identify technical interests,
75320	81100	and also help them boost their confidence. We want to broaden mentors' perspectives and mentoring
81100	86480	skills. And one of the important things in here is that the mentors are vetted and held to a
86480	94560	high standard. That's a very important thing for us. So another important thing for us when we talk
94560	99580	about mentoring is that there's a distinction between mentoring and tutoring. For us, mentoring
99580	108100	is focused on the guidance and advice, sharing personal experiences. This mentor program is not
108100	115920	intended as a private technical tutoring, although it is possible that in some circumstances it might
115920	120920	feel like it. A good example will be, I want to sharpen my skills on Python, and you might want
120920	126820	to share a piece of the code, which we'll then give you advice on. Maybe over the relationship
126820	132060	of a mentor and mentee, it leads into a bit of the technical tutoring. But primarily, our goal is to
132060	136780	concentrate on the guidance and advice. A good example for this will be, you know, how to learn
136780	144420	about networking instead of explaining TCP versus UDP. So just keeping that in mind is going to be
144420	149080	very important for us that you keep this distinction between mentoring and tutoring.
150480	156560	Now, the Meet a Mentor program has a series of activities that we're going to introduce to you.
157300	162080	One of the primary keys on us is we want to be transparent with everyone. We're going to be
162080	168040	using Discord. We're going to have one-on-one mentoring. So we're doing our best to try to
168040	172900	find matches based on career and technical interests. We'll speak to how that will work.
174100	179180	We're going to have, basically, sessions, which are, you know, 30-minute virtual sessions,
179180	185940	which, when you're matched to a mentor, you can conduct. These sessions will be on Discord,
185940	190620	on our Splatoon Village channel. So you'll find a place where you can go and meet, and then
190620	196980	just have your session with your mentor. In addition, the mentor program is going to have
196980	202880	monthly meetings. So these monthly meetings will be, you know, about an hour to two hours.
202900	207720	We're going to be able to talk about how the program is going. We're going to introduce new
207720	213480	mentors to mentees, and vice versa. We're going to try to gather feedback from you,
213480	219060	you know, what's working, what's not necessarily working. And then one of the other things that
219060	226140	we want to do is there is a need for sharing important information. A lot of individuals
226140	233080	and folks are looking for advice on different things. And one way in which we can provide that
233080	238580	to many of you is to have regular panel discussions on different topics of interest.
239400	246800	If you are an individual that wants to be a mentor, or you don't have the time, but you
246800	251920	have a particular topic which you would like to share, and just share an hour of your time to do
252020	256720	a panel, we would like to hear from you. We're going to have different topics. This is not blue
256720	263360	centric. You know, if you do Red Team and Bug Bounty, we want to hear from you. All the topics
263360	269040	that we're going to try to use to understand what are the needs of our mentees will be funneled from,
269040	275120	you know, the information we collect from the Meet the Mentor program through our interest form.
275120	281860	Now, with that said, it is time for us to dive into the panel. I will want to... this will be
281860	288640	our official first meeting. We want to get you to know all of the core mentors, and I think
288640	294400	this will be a good opportunity to speak about what the core mentor is. We're aiming to be diverse,
294400	300880	as diverse as possible. We will want to include a few more mentors if you, you know, if your
300880	307020	background is, you know, if you're Asian, if you're Black, if you are transgender or gay or
307020	311300	lesbian and you want to be in here, we want to get you, we want to get more perspectives
311300	315980	and different mentors from different backgrounds. So, if you're interested and you're not seeing
315980	320960	currently on the core mentors, your representation, we encourage you to be part of that.
320960	327340	The core mentors role is to basically, you know, set to the high standard, you know,
327340	333280	what the program will be. And, you know, we're dedicating, you know, a set of time extra to
333280	338400	provide this service to all of you. Beyond that, there will be mentors and, you know, there will
338400	344120	be a path to become a core mentor, you know, as we evolve in the program. If you want to contribute
344120	348400	or if you have more questions, hopefully through this panel, we'll address them. And without further
348400	354760	ado, I'm going to stop presenting my screen now. And why don't we just, you know, dive into
355260	363000	getting to know everyone in the panel. So, we're going to do this in the order that I couldn't see
363000	369880	the screen in here. So, let's begin with Muteki. Why don't you introduce yourself?
373830	380350	Yes, my name is Muteki, aka Cassandra, or whichever one you want to use. So, I'm actually an InfoSec
380350	386010	adjacent person who has been attending DEF CON for a couple years. I got into volunteering at
386010	392350	Blue Team Village. And I have a kind of interesting path that I've taken towards being InfoSec
392350	399950	adjacent in that five years ago, I was a part-time help desk and AV support person. I personally don't
399950	406650	recommend AV. Run screaming if you ever have to do AV. But I'm particularly interested in...
407710	413130	so, I do... right now I'm a sysadmin and I do a lot of incident response for Azure and O365
413850	418950	logging authentication. I'm also a part-time grad student because I'm a complete masochist,
418950	424570	apparently. And my areas of interest in that aspect are a lot of programming,
424570	429550	cloud security and architecture, and microservices and serverless platforms.
431230	435430	Awesome, thank you. Thank you for being here with us. Rando?
438100	444220	I have to find the mute. I've been using Discord for months now. Where's the mute button?
444220	452080	Hi, my name is Rando, also known as Danny Akatsuki. I am a career Blue Teamer,
452080	456860	Threat Hunter, been in security for about 10 years now. And I've worked at companies
456860	463320	like Mandiant and GE Capital. Now I'm a Senior Technical Account Manager, which
463320	470440	sounds fancier than it really is, with Gigamon. And yeah, I've been going, I mean, been in with
470440	476660	DEF CON for about five years now. I'm a DEF CON SOC goon, represent, and I run a contest. And
476660	480880	yeah, I'm super active in the community. That's why I really love this stuff. So, hi.
482280	487720	Awesome, thank you. All right, so who's coming next? Rubix?
489280	497040	Hi everyone, Rubix4138 here. My name is Xavier Ash. I've been around for a while,
497040	503780	got about 28 years of experience, done a little bit of everything, worked for consulting shops,
503780	509780	worked for large companies, small companies, done time in government, and did some startups.
509780	518160	Currently, I decided to kind of retire from all the consulting and go back into just doing
518160	526140	security at a financial services firm right now. And so yeah, a lot of experience with
527620	534780	the blue team side in architecture and building out programs,
534780	538700	managed a couple of incident response teams over the years.
539100	543300	And so yeah, I'm looking forward to the program. Thanks a lot.
544260	546040	Awesome. Gene?
546700	552400	Sure. So I started out life as a systems administrator about 10 years ago. I got into
552400	559800	red teaming in big four consulting. About six, seven years ago, I actually switched to Batik
560360	564820	security consulting. It's still on the red side. I'm doing more management stuff now,
564820	569000	but occasionally I'm allowed to hack stuff. And that's about the only happiness I get these days.
570500	573380	That's so awesome. Allie?
576410	583170	Hey everyone. My name is Allie Hanson. I actually stumbled across security a few years ago
583170	589390	and kind of immediately fell in love with it and really became smitten with not only security,
589390	596910	but the people. And I dabbled in security, sort of certifications, also jumped into the world of
596910	606510	social engineering. And I really have a very broad interest base across the sort of disciplines and
606510	612450	areas in security, red, blue, purple, CTI, aerospace, biohacking. I do a lot of volunteering
612450	618650	within all of these different efforts, kind of across the board, including policy as well.
618650	624290	And recently I actually started my own company. So I'm really hoping to help you all out if you're
624290	631050	interested in learning what it takes to start your own small business LLC. And that's about it. Thanks
631050	645750	guys. Awesome. All right. So we get into NoHackMe. Mute buttons are hard. Hey, what's up? I'm Mick,
646850	655070	aka NoHackMe. Fed for a super long time. You name an agency, I probably worked there. Built out some
655070	662710	incident response teams, built out some threat intelligence programs. Most recently I worked at
662710	668530	the White House, ran a threat intelligence team over the 2016 election, CISO for Pete Buttigieg.
668550	674130	And now I am currently a security advisor at Splunk, kind of taking all the experience that
674130	680370	I have and help folks make the trains go. Super jazzed to be here. I think the experience I have,
680370	684950	especially on the Fed side, if you like public sector for some odd reason, I'm your dude. Like
684950	693270	your favorite Fed's favorite ex-Fed. That's a great way to put it. So thank you for being here.
693270	700750	All right. So we're going to go with Moose. Hi everyone. I'm Moose. I also go by Heather.
700750	705830	I'll dox myself and say I'm one of the senior incident responders at CrowdStrike.
706290	711710	I dabble in a bunch of things. I also volunteer as a red teamer for CCDC.
712850	720170	My IT career began in a very strange way. I was a QA tester for the first Droid phone,
720170	725990	the first smartphone. And it was really enough of a hook to where I got to break that multiple times.
725990	731750	And the rest is kind of history. I've done help desk, desktop support, sysadmin, network admin.
731870	739110	Right before I was core security, I was a lead data analyst. And the whole thing kind of just
739110	744070	ties together in wanting to look at all the things and not wanting to be put in a box. So
744070	750310	if you have multifaceted experience or want multifaceted experience and look at the big
750310	757370	picture, I might be your person. But I eat, sleep, and breathe incident response right now.
757370	764630	So, you know, I had to ask what day it was today. But that's me in a nutshell. And I'd
764630	769310	rather refer to myself as a DFIR dumpster diver in most cases than anything else.
771420	775480	That's awesome. By the way, Moza was early on on the incident response panel. So thank you
775480	781100	for being here again as well. All right. So we're going to introduce also a person
781100	786400	that likes to remain kind of hidden on the background. It's a person that I respect quite
786520	798200	a bit. His name is Clay. Hey, thank you, Plug. Yep, Clay. I've been in the field in general for
798200	804320	about 20 something years. I've done a lot of programming and system administration work.
804460	809220	The past eight years or so, I've been able to focus on security.
809940	818300	And that's been a fantastic ride. I've become more active in the community over the past four
818300	827820	or five years or so. I'm one of the organizers of Blue Team Village. And I love googly eyes.
830860	835850	Awesome. You also have another organization. You want to do a little...
835850	845570	Sure. Yeah. Help organize a walker summit as well. And that's more of a... it's still
845570	852570	security related, but we kind of focus more on hardware hacking. And that takes place right
852570	858510	outside the Philly area. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you for that. All right. And
858510	867090	our last core mentor here with us is Scooby. Hey, hi, everybody. I'm Scooby. I've been in
867090	875530	InfoSec for almost 20 years now. I've worked as a security analyst,
875530	880550	then threat hunting team lead, adversary detection team lead. I built some teams.
880550	887850	I moved to a financial institution for almost a year. Didn't really cut it out for me being in that
887850	893150	type of environment. And now it just changed. And I'm a senior manager incident response
893850	900370	for a smaller company in Canada. But we have international offices. So it's pretty much
900370	907830	all around the world. So yeah, in a nutshell, a lot of threat hunting and blue teaming in general.
907830	914930	Love giving talks. I had the pleasure to do so at DerbyCon, Blue Team Village,
914930	923390	NordSec, GoSec, and a few B-sides as well. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. So as hopefully
923390	928110	all of you have heard, we have a very diverse set of individuals that are part of the core
928110	934130	mentor program. We all have different backgrounds. I'll introduce myself. So I go by Plod.
934470	939770	I do incident response and I lead threat hunting at some Fortune 20 company.
939770	946190	I think if you want to know more about that, I'm in the Paranoids team. I'm in the fire team
946190	952690	within the Paranoids. And I've been volunteering at DefCon for quite some time now.
952730	957790	Different villages and now pretty much living with the Blue Team Village where they have allowed me
957790	962510	to grow and kind of put this seed into this program where we all together are going to bring
962510	969210	this to you. So we're going to jump into some questions. And if you're here
969210	974770	watching the stream or if you have some questions that you want us to give you maybe
974770	980390	some feedback right here live, then feel free to send the questions over. But let's dive
980390	986250	really quick into one of the more important questions. Because all of us are here,
986250	993110	but what made you want to be a mentor? What makes you, and this is directed to no one in particular,
993110	998450	but we want to know, we want everyone to know what you decided to be a mentor and what makes
998450	1003870	you qualified to be one if you want to elaborate on that. So I want to see if someone wants to
1003870	1010570	raise their hand. Scooby, I think that you have the mic. Well, I decided to be a mentor because
1010570	1018270	some people came to me in real life asking if I would mentor them. I've been trying to be
1018270	1023850	more active in the community as well, volunteering at the Blue Team Village since its creation three
1023850	1030890	years ago. So when I saw this meet a mentor thing, I just said, well, if anyone wants to learn
1030890	1036830	about this, this, this and this, I'll be very happy to spend some time with you. And for me, mentoring
1036830	1043570	is kind of making friends, is sharing experience. And I think that the mentor learns as more as the
1043570	1050790	mentee most of the time. So it's really an exchange and it's not meant to be one direction.
1051830	1059510	Like I'm not feeding anyone things and I'm more expecting exchange and learning as well
1059510	1063450	from those people, from their experience. It's not because I've been doing these specific
1063450	1068710	things maybe longer than them, that they don't have anything that they can bring me as well.
1069750	1074150	Awesome. I saw no hack me, you kind of went, oh, well, Randall, Randall, you're ready to go.
1074150	1081610	Yeah, I love this. Oh, thank you, sir. I appreciate it, Mr. Faccio. X is a political campaign.
1082410	1088570	I actually, no hack me is actually part of this answer for me, because he was one of the very
1088570	1094010	first people that I met when I got my first security gig. He was actually my team lead way
1094010	1100150	back when, almost like 10 years ago by this point, and kept me in here for better or for worse.
1100750	1106650	I have had a very unconventional road through InfoSec. I've been with a lot of companies that
1106650	1112550	have been laying off and things like that. It's been bumpy, but I'm in a really great place now.
1112550	1119110	So, I always find for people that are like drug addicts and things like that, your best
1119110	1124070	help is going to be your sponsors who are drug addicts themselves, who have been through that.
1124070	1128830	So, people that have fell a lot and have experienced that, and they know the way back
1128830	1134590	out. So, at a certain point, all of these weird things that have happened through my career,
1134590	1140310	I didn't want them to be for nothing. And I also have absolutely no shame in talking
1140310	1144550	about fail stories. I don't care. I love them. I love hearing them from other people.
1144690	1150850	So, when I run across people that are afraid to fail, or don't want to discuss it, or just
1150850	1155290	think that they're never going to make it, I'm like, I am an object lesson in how complete
1155670	1160190	failures can actually have some success. And don't be afraid of it and own it. So,
1160190	1166730	the best way to do that for me and to give back is a mentor type program. So, that's why I do it.
1166730	1171550	Like, why waste all of that face in the mud time? I'm just feeling sorry for myself. I want to give
1171550	1178270	back to other people about how to get back up from it. Awesome. I guess, now hack me so that you
1178270	1186350	want to have some interaction. Yeah. So, Danny and I go way back, obviously. You know, I started
1186350	1196050	off in the Navy. HHS, CDC, FDA, like a bunch of federal organizations. I'm a SOC goon, represent.
1197470	1204490	I work with tool. I've been at this for a super long time. I think that the talks that we heard
1204490	1209250	all day yesterday at Blue Team Village, I'm not any smarter than any person that's talked. I'm
1209250	1216890	probably a dum-dum, to be honest with you. But I've been at this for a while. And one of the things I'm
1216890	1223350	really proud of is I think I've been able to enjoy the experiences along the way. And the important
1223350	1227310	thing is the people that you meet. We all talk about, you know, it's not what you know, it's who
1227310	1233310	you know. And I know a lot of people. You name an agency, I probably work there. If I don't,
1233310	1239190	I probably know someone who has. And I think that's a large part of why I wanted to be a
1239190	1243910	mentor, to make the road easier for the people that are coming next. Like this gray ain't from
1243910	1249890	stress. I'm old as shit. So I think if I could do anything to make the next generation of security
1249890	1257850	a little bit better, we're kind of obligated to as security seniors. So when I had the opportunity
1257850	1261110	talking to Clay, like I jumped at it. Why wouldn't I want to do this? Like if I have all this
1261110	1265590	information and all this institutional knowledge about the security game and I don't help other
1265590	1275070	people, I'm kind of the problem. Awesome. Moose? Yeah, kind of along the same lines. So mine's a
1275070	1281150	very personal story. I was working at a global five for a long time. Well, it felt like a long
1281150	1286270	time. Because when you're doing IR at a global five, you feel what years of your life draining
1286270	1293010	away. And I have always struggled with imposter syndrome, no matter where I am in my career.
1293190	1298030	I'm not saying I still don't struggle with it, because some days I wake up and I just go,
1298030	1304890	Oh, my God, what was I thinking? But it's, it's a person that helped me during that. And I can go
1304890	1311210	ahead and say his name, Christopher Witter, who had years of experience on me, that offered
1311210	1317410	and said, you know, if you just need somebody to ping things against, I'm willing to set up
1317410	1323450	regular mentor calls with you. And literally, I would tell him about my struggles and my thought
1323450	1328710	process. And most of our calls were, you know, you're doing everything right. And that's what
1328710	1334710	I really needed. And it's so funny that that's sometimes what you need. But just having somebody
1334710	1339610	that might be outside of your normal scope of influence, like talking to you, for me,
1339610	1346210	that was invaluable. And I just feel a little bit, you know, because that door was open for me
1346210	1351310	and a hand came down and pulled me up, I should be doing the same thing. And so I really want to
1351310	1356450	make myself available and keep that door open and that chain going, because none of us is an island.
1357910	1359310	Awesome, Allie.
1361430	1367310	Hey, thanks. So I actually have a business background. And I've spent years of my life
1367310	1376210	trying to figure out so much in that realm. And I really think that everyone here is a big believer
1376210	1382830	in sending the ladder back down. So as soon as you figure something out, you know, we should
1382830	1387890	be sharing that with each other and helping each other, especially, you know, as a woman
1387890	1393590	in this industry, especially as someone who doesn't look like the sort of stereotypical
1393590	1401090	InfoSec person, I feel very strongly that I want to help people feel welcome and give them the
1401090	1406670	resources and the knowledge that I have figured out over the years that, you know, we all have.
1406670	1411910	And so just big believer and absolutely dovetail on everything that everyone said.
1413150	1416490	Awesome. So, oh, okay, I'm going to take you. Go for it.
1418450	1423570	You know, what Allie said actually resonated, because, you know, I'm a woman in an InfoSec
1423570	1428750	adjacent role, but I've been in IT for a while now. And not only that, but I'm also a gay person.
1428750	1435890	So I've had a unique set of experiences. And I've also worked really hard on my presentation
1435890	1441690	skills and giving presentations. Because one thing I realized early on is that I would go to, like,
1441690	1445590	you know, a small conference or talks at work, and there really weren't that many women presenting
1446250	1452790	or openly LGBTQ plus people. And once I started doing that, like, people came out of the woodworks.
1452790	1457090	I had a lot of people approach me afterwards and just, like, and, like, ask me how I got to where
1457090	1462350	I am. And I'm standing there, like, I'm, like, early mid-career. Like, what do you mean? I'm
1462350	1469930	nowhere yet. But wherever you are is further than someone else has gotten so far. So one of the
1469930	1478310	people that I kind of mentor casually on the side is a non-binary person. And that's, you know,
1478310	1483650	they're someone that, like, I'm, you know, I'm just a boring normal lesbian. Like, I don't know
1483650	1488930	exactly what their experience is like. But I know enough of it, where we have some common ground.
1488930	1494630	And the way that we interact is just more, it's more personal and more comfortable than it would
1494630	1500210	be if we didn't have that common ground. And I think that that common ground is important. And
1500210	1508310	also, just the visibility is important. Awesome. Thank you. Actually, I'm going to make a note in
1508310	1515970	here. Precisely because of what Muteki said, we were very mindful of trying to find the best
1515970	1522030	match for you. So as you sign up for a mentor M&T, which if you haven't, go to the Blue Team Village,
1522030	1528270	meet a mentor, you'll find all the information you need. We could collect some extra information
1528270	1534510	if you wanted to, you know, just to help you match precisely with someone, you know, maybe you're
1534510	1539110	gay or lesbian, and you identify much more with Muteki. And so that's an opportunity for you,
1539110	1543350	we don't need it. And it's completely optional if you wanted to. And it's precisely because
1543350	1547310	sometimes you feel, you know, much more closer with someone that is from, you know, identifies
1547310	1553450	the same way as you do, or maybe the same background, skin color, whatever it is. So we
1553450	1558130	will have an opportunity to kind of help you with that. With that said, I'm getting some questions
1558130	1565470	from some of the viewers watching the panel. So before I go into those, you know, one of the
1565470	1571230	interesting questions here to ask is, have any of you ever been mentored by anyone? I think
1571230	1577950	Lilmus kind of spoke about it, we can kind of continue with that. And then with that question,
1577950	1584770	you know, did that help you in any way? So that is the question. So, you know,
1584770	1588510	Lilmus, do you want to kind of continue since you were, you know, alluring to that? And then we move
1588510	1596570	on to other panelists? Sure. So at the time, and just to say that I've only been mentored by one
1596570	1604530	person isn't exactly true. So I would say that I've had numerous people reach out and say, if you
1604530	1610750	need help on something, please come to me. And I've sat down with some great folks who do different
1610750	1617370	things. So like on the Red Team side, anybody that knows Commander OpSec, phenomenal. All of
1617370	1623210	the Dallas Hackers Association folks, absolutely phenomenal people to sit down with. And a lot of
1623210	1628770	us would tag team between each other. It wasn't formal mentorship. But I would still say that
1628770	1633710	learning from another person was very, very valuable, especially earlier on in my InfoSec
1633710	1640230	career. But Christopher Witter and I actually sat down and we scheduled and planned because otherwise
1640230	1647010	I felt like I was getting too shy. And I wouldn't ask questions until I felt like I was drowning.
1647330	1653730	And so that was one of the things that really stood out to me as a win factor because
1654330	1659150	every week I would have to think, okay, I have this scheduled call, what are we going to talk about?
1659150	1663970	And actually coming up with the problems and coming up with the different points that I was
1663970	1670490	trying to attack it from taught me more those mentorship calls because I would research first
1670490	1677870	and I'd almost over research to compensate. And so it ended up being a really fun conversation
1677870	1682070	and almost work stories at some point. So I don't know that that's going to be the
1682070	1685670	experience for everyone, but I will say that was a very good experience.
1687570	1691170	Awesome. I think I saw someone else in there. It's Kubi. Do you have your mic
1691170	1700150	on and off? Okay. Yeah, I think it's on. I think it's on. No real mentor per se or real,
1700150	1709630	you know, very steady opportunity like that. But since my first time at Black Hat and
1709630	1717690	DEF CON, I've met many people, a lot of people from the blood down Slack, for example. Remember
1717690	1723430	at one point I walked out to the SpectorUps booth and all of a sudden half of my Twitter
1723430	1733290	feed was around me like Sean McAlf, Armjoy talking with Jean-Ti Kiwi. And I was trying
1733290	1737430	to listen to them. And I think my nose started bleeding because I didn't understand a single
1737430	1743490	word of what they were talking about. But, you know, being with these guys over and over and
1743490	1748430	reading everything they talk about, asking questions here and there, I think that I grew
1748430	1754310	more in the last three years than probably the 10 years before that, just because of the people
1755830	1763310	that I was talking with and their generosity in general, just to answer all types of questions,
1763310	1768830	even if probably the question I did ask, they were asked those questions probably 100 times before,
1768830	1777790	they still took the time to explain things. And, for example, as well, before my first talk,
1777790	1783890	I ran into Sean McAlf, and I asked him, do you have a few minutes just to review what I'm going
1783890	1790490	to present? And he did take the time to review my stuff. And it actually really helped me to
1791630	1797270	refine my deck and make it more, I think, more interesting for people. And it was very little
1797270	1803630	things that he told me, but I still keep in mind when I do presentation now, to make sure that I
1803630	1809350	incorporate what he told me. So those little things that come from a lot of people just adds
1809350	1815070	up. And I think that having all the mentors here is a good thing as well. So people will be able
1815070	1819550	to talk to a lot of different people, even if they have maybe a mentor that are a little bit
1819550	1826070	more assigned. I think that it's, for me, I don't mind answering for other people as well and
1826070	1832550	keeping the dialogue. And if I can help, I will help for sure.
1833070	1836190	Awesome. Rubiks, I saw that you wanted to say something.
1836330	1842370	Yeah, I was introduced to mentorship when I got into the startup world. Atlanta's got a pretty
1842370	1847910	interesting history in security. Internet Security Systems has produced a whole lot of other folks
1847910	1855190	that have tried to emulate that success. And so, once I got up into that startup world,
1856530	1861730	everybody was mentoring somebody. That was just kind of part of the job description.
1861790	1867510	And I thought that this was great. It would have been so great if I had had this earlier in my
1867510	1875270	career. I had always been the middle of the road security guy, sometimes in management, sometimes
1875270	1881890	not. I was never the super elite hacker. I never had tools in my name. I was never a Twitter
1881890	1891470	superstar. But I do have lots of experience. And so, once I started mentoring on the security side,
1891470	1896170	it was really surprising how much of that resonated with people. And I was able to help
1896170	1902310	and give back. And so, that was my introduction to mentorship was from the startup world.
1903470	1907670	Awesome. Thank you for your answers. So, I'm going to add one more question here,
1907670	1911350	and then we'll move into some of the questions that we're getting from other people.
1911890	1916750	I think one of the most important questions that we all have dealt somehow, at some point in time,
1916750	1922570	is, you know, how do you combat imposter syndrome in your own life?
1923950	1927070	Rando, I see you kind of moving towards the mic.
1928530	1934530	Oh, he's... yeah. No, no, I'm good. I'm good. All right. All right. All right. Yeah, this is another
1934530	1940590	one of my favorite, favorite questions, because I actually just kind of figured this out in the
1940590	1944790	past couple of years or so. And I think I figured it out around Circle City Con I was presenting
1944790	1951050	there. And of course, I had always beaten myself up of like, why do I keep getting things? And why
1951050	1955730	do people care? I'm like, I'm really nothing, blah, blah, blah. And then I was sitting around
1955730	1961790	with a bunch of my friends, people who I really look up to, that have taught me a whole lot.
1961870	1967410	And they were asking like my advice on some threat hunting thing or like or something else.
1967410	1972870	And I had kind of this moment of clarity that said, I am surrounded by all of these people
1972870	1978510	who I look up to, who I still fanboy over. I could be good friends with them for five years,
1978510	1982750	and I still fanboy a little bit. And I value their opinions so much and their feedback
1982750	1997390	so much. Who am I to question them if they also value my feedback? Now, this just works for me,
1997390	2004510	if I'm saying I don't believe in them believing in me, if that makes any sense, right? Like,
2004510	2008570	if I value their opinion above other things, am I calling them a liar? Am I questioning
2008570	2016070	their judgment? So, all of a sudden, I'm just like, okay, I'm buying into my, for all intents
2016070	2021290	and purposes, my own hype now, because they believe in me, so I will out of respect for them.
2021290	2027030	And God, that has made such a difference. So, every now and again, I feel out of my depth
2027030	2034210	in something. But instead of getting down on myself, I'm like, cool, I don't know the thing.
2034210	2039170	I don't know this thing. But please go ahead and teach me and I am that much ready to light somebody
2039170	2044270	else up who doesn't have that same attitude and makes fun of somebody. So, I've gained confidence
2044270	2051030	in doing that, in lighting somebody up for not doing it. And also, it makes my life a whole lot
2051030	2055530	easier if I just believe in what everybody else believes about me. So, anyway, that's my answer
2055530	2058610	for that. It was like a watershed thing for me.
2059490	2063170	Gee, I saw that you kind of went off and off on the mic.
2063330	2065350	Yeah, I kind of jumped the gun there. Sorry.
2065970	2066770	It's all right.
2066770	2072550	I think similarly, maybe accepting that I don't know everything, which for me,
2072550	2078650	I'm a very arrogant person. That was difficult, soul crushing even. But accepting that I don't
2078650	2082470	know everything and that I want to learn from other people and that they're willing to teach me
2082470	2086810	and that the things that I do know or think that I know, the opinions that I espouse,
2086810	2092610	the things that I'm allegedly an expert on, are grounded in experience and research. And the
2092610	2097170	things that I need to learn will also be grounded in experience and research or things that somebody
2097170	2100690	else has taught me. That kind of makes me feel good about the things that I know and
2101870	2104630	being okay with not knowing things and learning too.
2106110	2109850	Awesome. Ali, I saw that you wanted to say some comments.
2110530	2117250	Yeah. I just wanted to put out that I think it's important for me to just remember
2117250	2122450	that everyone has a different background. Everyone has had different experiences
2123150	2131610	and those are all equally valid and they're all equally valuable. And just trying to remember that
2132050	2138030	not only for myself, but I encourage other people to remember that as well and to not diminish
2138030	2148890	their life and their accomplishments. I can't even say. Too much whiskey already. Oops.
2149050	2157370	But then also, I think too, whenever I start feeling just overwhelmed or too anxious about
2157370	2162710	my own imposter syndrome, which I have a ton of because I'm not even a technical person and I'm
2162710	2169870	trying to play in this technical sandbox, I actually try to channel that energy into
2170370	2176550	learning more and asking more questions. And I kind of just rechannel that energy and that
2176550	2180950	works for me really well. Awesome. Moose?
2180950	2188290	So I've struggled with imposter syndrome throughout multiple careers, multiple years.
2188290	2195530	And while I don't think it really goes away, a really self-reflective takeaway I have was
2196950	2202590	it's not always been this good for me. I'm in a place now to where I struggle with it less
2203150	2209010	and I have to give credit where credit is due. I have a very supportive team. I have very,
2209010	2213450	very supportive leadership and it has made all the difference in the world. And recognizing
2214110	2221310	that your environment impacts you I think is super important because when I was struggling
2221310	2229330	with it at the peak of imposter syndrome, I don't think I was bad. Looking back at it,
2229330	2234110	I go, I really did know what I was doing, but I wasn't doing it with confidence because I wasn't
2234110	2242170	around the right people. And I've got to say that that for me was one of the biggest takeaways
2242170	2248230	because it's not like I've necessarily changed very much as a person, but my environment has
2248230	2255570	changed drastically. And I think that if you can't find the people to support you in that knowledge
2256090	2260130	where you are at work, so if you're a team of one or two and you don't really have the people
2260130	2264430	around you that understand what you're doing and can't support you in that way,
2264430	2269970	having a community that does it really helps as well, which is just another reason that I was so
2269970	2274870	happy when Plug said, hey, we're doing this mentorship program thing with Blue Team Village.
2274870	2278250	I was like, yes, absolutely. We'll help out. This is amazing.
2279610	2286010	So awesome. Thank you. I'll add a little bit of personal note here as one of the mentors that you
2286010	2293150	will have the option to talk to. My first DevCon was many, many years ago. I was only three hours
2293150	2298310	in there. There is a panel that I partake on DevCon, and this is when I want to acknowledge
2298310	2306950	one of the key individuals. He's Voiceacre, Mike Pertuzzi. He runs some stuff in DevCon, and
2306950	2314350	he met me and we talked, and he actually helped me to kind of embrace the, you know, be part of
2314350	2318950	DevCon and, you know, get yourself out to volunteer. You'll, you know, do something that, you know,
2318950	2325630	that will get you out of that shell. And without having to kind of get him to chat with me, I don't
2325630	2331970	think I will be honestly here. But in that regard, with imposter syndrome, I started going to the
2331970	2337550	26 candidates in LA meetings, where there is a lot of very cool hackers, and I always felt like, you
2337550	2343010	know, what could I bring to the table? And yet, going, you know, for many years to DevCon, the two
2343010	2349990	people that really brought always a lot of value to me is Matrix, NVIDIA, their goons, and some of
2349990	2356610	you might know them. And they were very, you know, not necessarily mentors, but they allowed me to
2356610	2362930	see that a lot of my adventure, at least in DevCon, was up to me, and that I needed to, you know,
2362930	2370030	that I didn't have an accent, and I needed to stop worrying about things and just let be. So, sometimes,
2370030	2374310	like someone mentioned earlier, we just need a little word of encouragement that will allow us to
2374310	2380470	see things in a slightly different way. And in my case, by getting those words, I realized that
2380470	2385930	helped me break out of that imposter syndrome, which we'll get it. But hopefully, through us,
2385930	2391270	you'll get to hear sometimes those words of empowerment, and hopefully, the same way that
2391270	2396570	some of us has, you know, influence in our lives, we can do that to you in your life and empower you
2396570	2403690	to grow. And with that said, let's kind of go into, you know, an interesting question we
2403690	2410250	received from the viewers, and it says, as a mentor, what would you define as success in this role?
2410250	2416770	For you, how can I, as a mentee, get you invested and show accountability? I think that was an
2416770	2421350	excellent question. Who said me?
2423610	2433090	Rubix? Yeah, I think that one way that we can measure success from our side is,
2433090	2440830	you know, very early on, we'll establish, you know, what is it that you want to get out of this?
2440830	2447390	And so that way, it's not a guesswork on understanding, you know, did what we, you know, all the
2447390	2452030	time that we spent together, was it effective or not? Like, let's put it on the table.
2452190	2457590	What do you want to get out of this? And that way, we can track that and make sure that as we're
2457590	2464430	moving along, we check in. Are we doing anything to help you along? Are you realizing, you know, you
2464430	2469950	have new avenues that you didn't know that you had before? Are you seeing new opportunities? Like,
2469950	2474850	you know, I think it's up to us to continually check in with our mentees to understand
2474850	2480930	and make sure that we're being effective, not just in the end, but throughout the entire
2481350	2493340	relationship. Awesome. Anyone else? Yeah, I mean, yeah, no, no, that's a much better idea. Clay,
2493340	2499460	go right ahead. He's so quiet. I need to give him one, right? I mean, he needs to speak a
2499460	2505560	little bit. Put him on the spot. Come on, handsome. I think Xavier, I couldn't say it any better.
2506600	2518460	Oh, you cop out. You are the worst. I will unmute just to heckle you. Oh, my God. All right. Well,
2518460	2522820	well, Clay, I will give you my answer. And then you can ask Clay again. He'll be like,
2522820	2536240	yeah, Randall got it. Mine is, yeah, to echo what he has said, is it's important for the mentors to
2536240	2543040	check in with the mentee. Now, just as a caveat, just because you're matched with one of us,
2543040	2549200	it's not always a match. It's being self-aware enough to be like, listen, there's just no vibe
2549200	2554700	here. And I've had it happen. I think of myself as very personable, and I really want to help.
2554700	2559420	But sometimes the vibe just isn't there. And that is completely fine. I need honesty
2559420	2567680	from them. And I also want to see that they are applying their own critical thinking skills to
2567680	2571720	what I'm telling them. I don't want somebody just to parrot what I've told them. I don't want them
2571720	2576850	to copy what I've told them, because everybody's experience is different. Like if I get...
2577220	2582500	Don't parrot what you're telling us. Got it. Yeah. How dare you? I saw what you did there.
2582500	2590480	You know, and also be honest with me, right? My life outlook is as a straight white male growing
2590480	2596500	up in suburbia and living in a metro urban. I would love to mentor people from all different
2596500	2602840	kinds of backgrounds. But remind me, check in with me of like, hey, my experience is different. Can
2602840	2607600	you translate this for me? That's how I know that you're thinking critically about it
2608560	2614680	and applying. It's kind of the same as when you have a, you know, if you've been in a sock for a
2614680	2621640	while and you have a new analyst. And it's clear that even when I tell you something, you haven't
2621640	2627720	actually done the legwork to figure this out. Like, oh, it didn't work. I gave up. Tell me what
2627720	2634060	to do next. It's not linear, right? So I just want to know that what I'm telling you is getting
2634060	2640060	through and that I am understanding you. So that communication, as long as we can build that,
2640060	2645520	I know this is going to be a very fruitful experience. And I think Clay should follow up
2645520	2654500	with that. Yeah, Clay? Sure, sure, I will. I think just taking the first step and to becoming
2654500	2661660	involved, to be a mentee, to open yourself up to the experience is already a success.
2663060	2669280	It's about the journey as well, right? It's not about the destination. So if you're learning
2669280	2675040	and you're growing, that's what it's all about. And half of that is really up to you.
2676760	2683860	And if I can guide and support you in any way, shape, or form, that's what it's all about for me.
2685540	2692820	Awesome. And in this case, this is why this is a good time to actually do a call for mentors.
2692820	2699300	If you want a mentor, right? And you feel like you have something that you can bring to the table.
2699300	2705180	Remember, this is not about... if you're very good at something, that's great. But if you have
2705180	2711180	some experience, right? If you bring in a unique background, like Randall said, right? You see
2711180	2716560	the panel here and you find, hey, I don't see my representation. Then we want you to be here. We
2716560	2722260	want you to be part of that, so you can help someone like you. So go ahead, hit the Blue Team
2722260	2729020	Village site, meet the mentor program, go to the forum, and we want to talk to you. We really want
2729020	2735860	to talk to you. Another great question that we received is, what makes a good mentor? And how
2735860	2746500	can mentors improve their mentor game? Nohakimi? What makes a good mentor? I'll be honest.
2746720	2753620	It's going to vary from individual to individual. What works for Clay doesn't work for
2753620	2758860	Randall, doesn't work for Muteki, doesn't work for Moose. It's going to be individual. And to
2758860	2764780	Danny's point, if you and I hang out and it's not a match, cool. I'm not mad about it.
2764780	2770120	I'm still going to help you as much as I can, but if there's a better one, won't. So I think that
2770120	2776540	what makes a good mentor is what you want to get out of it. And I forgot the second part, so
2776540	2783180	go ahead. I actually want to jump in on that real quick. Yeah, go ahead. The previous question and
2783180	2789940	answer, it feels kind of related. So what Randall was saying about this, it
2789940	2796140	reminded me of the whole idea of like mentoring versus tutoring. I don't want to just be there
2796140	2802260	to answer some technical question, because it's like when you interview someone, you're not really
2802260	2806660	looking for someone that may be like compare it back information to you. You want someone that
2806660	2811280	is going to show you how they think. And I think that that's important for a mentor-mentee
2811280	2817340	relationship. I, as a mentor, am more interested in helping someone find the answer themselves
2817340	2822300	and not just giving them that answer. So that's a very important part of that relationship.
2822300	2828580	And whatever I can do to be transparent about that and to share my experiences and
2828580	2835840	not what I learned, but how I learned it and connect on a personal level where that's something
2835840	2841240	that can be communicated well, I think that's an incredibly important part of being a mentor.
2843640	2847000	Excellent. Moose, do you want to follow up on that? I think you're, I don't know if you're
2847000	2853720	muted or unmuted. Don't see it. I'm unmuted. Yeah, I'd love to. So I currently mentor
2856840	2862700	inside of work. We have an internship program. So I've constantly been evaluating myself and
2862700	2868500	seeing how I do, and I'm always overly critical on myself. But I think that what makes a good
2868500	2876320	mentor slash mentee bond is the ability to actively listen, but then also off of that
2876320	2883880	listening, really ask those guiding questions on, you know, where you want to go and get to the
2883880	2889840	meat and potatoes of goals for somebody that you're trying to help or for someone who's seeking
2889840	2896860	help. And sometimes it's just asking something in a certain way that's going to clarify that goal.
2896860	2902640	And just know that when you do that, that's not hard and fast. So a good mentor is also
2902640	2908520	going to keep it fluid for you. And if you accomplish something, you know, it's still
2908520	2912280	an accomplishment, even if it's not in your goal set and your goals can change.
2914120	2921440	Awesome. Thank you, Ali. Yeah, I just wanted to also say, you know, in my personal life,
2921440	2931440	and just in how I try to navigate this world, I really focus on empathy. And I really focus
2932000	2940320	on not judging. So trying to be non judgmental with everything. And so I think just that sort
2940320	2945900	of conscious practice in my regular life will also help me, you know, become a better mentor
2945900	2953920	for other people, as well as, honestly, I'm still being mentored by so many people.
2953920	2960620	So I think that's really important that your mentor is never done being a mentee.
2962440	2965900	Very well said. Yeah. Rubix, I thought you'd raise your hand because you wanted to
2965900	2969350	say something or that was just waving to the camera.
2969680	2972900	I literally have a bug flying right in front of my face. And I'm just like,
2972900	2978060	I can't. Okay, I'm just sorry. So I'll just ignore me.
2978260	2983980	And just one thing to follow up on that. That was she made an excellent, excellent point,
2983980	2990940	is that remember, as a mentee, like, cut your mentor, like, we're just remember that, like,
2990940	2996420	we don't know everything, we are still being mentored. I will sit and listen to like Rubix
2997240	3002360	school me for hours and hours, because like, that dude is like always gonna know more than I do.
3002900	3008240	About a lot of things. It's just like how anybody who goes and has a therapist,
3008240	3015380	therapists have therapists, like, remember that there is that ladder. And that I had tried a
3015380	3021620	mentor program a while ago by my dear friend. He's Jimmy Vo on Twitter. He had spun up something
3021620	3027540	like this. And I volunteered for it. I was not ready. I let a couple people down. And I just
3027540	3034180	I thought I was and I wasn't and I still feel bad about it. So, you know, yeah, we're we are still
3034180	3039140	being mentored ourselves. And you'll see us at a con be hanging with us. And our jaws are going
3039140	3043140	to drop at like a certain person that walks by going, hold on, I want their autograph. You know,
3043140	3053860	we still do that. Like every time Clay walks by. I haven't always. Yeah, nevermind. Sorry.
3054300	3057620	I don't know. Now you have to answer. Go. What are you going to say?
3059380	3063900	I was gonna say I'm always asking for Randall's autograph. He still hasn't given it to me yet.
3066510	3070090	Yeah, that's because every piece of paper has like a signature line
3070090	3073350	signing over my house to you. I know what you're doing.
3078150	3081890	I got another interesting question in here. And it's this in here.
3081890	3089770	Um, this is actually a pretty good question. It says any suggestions for someone with a strong
3089770	3097430	technical education that will be reentering the workforce after over a decade of changing diapers?
3102070	3105110	Ruby, you're nodding. Do you want to take this one? I see both.
3105110	3112350	I just think it's an excellent question. And well, it's not it was not a decade, but I took
3112350	3119970	two times a year off to go travel in various parts of the world. So I kind of know a little
3119970	3127410	bit how it feels when you come back. I think, you know, even if like people say that InfoSec is
3127410	3132810	moving extremely fast, and that everything changes all the time. But in fact, it's always
3132810	3139430	also the same thing. It's very different, but the foundation is still the same. So yes, the new the
3139430	3145430	new hack or the new vulnerability is something new. But the basic there, it's, it's, it's injection,
3145430	3152710	it's a remote code execution, it's, it's whatever it's, there's not a lot of new technique or new
3153390	3156530	things that are groundbreaking. There's new vulnerability, there's new
3156530	3161390	various things. So if you have a very good background, I think you'll pick it up very
3161390	3167710	quickly. Again, I don't think there's more, there's a there's a lot of magic here. You'll
3167710	3175730	need to read, you'll need to go to some conference, just just keep reading, keep, keep talking with
3175730	3182850	new people or other people. And then you'll catch up whatever you missed. And I think that if your
3182850	3190670	foundation is strong, it's going to be, it's going to work for you. Rubix, I see you without the mic.
3190670	3196430	Oh, sorry, random Rubix. No, no, he was first. So yeah, I've actually hired a couple people in this
3196430	3206010	situation. And I find that technical skills are easy. The life skills that you learn, whether
3206010	3210810	it's raising children, or, you know, helping out with your elderly parents, I mean, there's a lot
3210810	3217710	of reasons why people take leave of absence. And, and that is, is, is valuable experience. So don't
3218410	3224730	throw it out with the bathwater, you know, bring it, because we need that. We need the, the, the
3224730	3230470	stuff that you learned as, as part of that life. Us stuck behind a computer, you know, we get stuck
3230470	3237590	in a box. And we need, you know, fresh perspectives or ways of looking at things, compassion, empathy.
3238410	3244450	Technical skills is something you'll learn. So yeah, let's, let's, let's jump in. And let's,
3244450	3251290	let's get it, get it done. I'd say that if you're dealing with, sorry, no, no, go, go, go, go, go,
3251290	3256090	I'm just gonna interject. If you've been dealing with small children for a decade, you are very
3256090	3260790	well prepared to deal with consulting. Just gonna throw that out there. Clients and small children,
3260790	3268170	very similar. Yeah. And my, my, my thing real quick, because I'm talking a lot, but never said
3268170	3273530	like, just, just the way that the question was phrased, almost makes me think like, they're
3273530	3278950	worried about it, or they think that it's a detriment. Like, here's something that's really
3278950	3283830	gonna help you, especially when you come back in. You're eventually going to get to an interview,
3283830	3288230	where the interviewers are going to be bad interviewers. And they're going to keep trying
3288230	3294710	to steer that conversation to stuff that maybe you don't know about and always try to steer it back,
3294710	3300210	use whatever skills that you have to steer the conversation back to make those strengths.
3300210	3306950	You didn't, you didn't take time off. You ran a small enterprise of people who can't help
3306950	3312490	themselves. And that's all InfoSec is. We're helping people who don't, can't help themselves.
3312490	3317170	So that's what you did. That is a core skill. And I haven't changed a diaper for at least a
3317170	3323450	couple of years now. But yeah, don't you don't, don't approach that as a negative. It's been it.
3323450	3329250	And my only follow up to that is, if you are naturally inclined to go out to conferences
3329250	3335810	and talk to people, work on your networking. If you are not, not all of us are, figure out a way,
3335810	3339870	translate that thing that you're not comfortable doing into something that you are comfortable
3339870	3345910	doing, which is cultivating a good Twitter feed, cultivating good sources of intel for yourself to
3345910	3352630	learn things. And like somebody else had said, because my memory is absolute crap. The more
3352630	3356850	things change, the more they stay the same. Recognize the patterns. You're not that far off.
3356850	3359670	Like, I guarantee you, you're not as far away as you think.
3360590	3361650	Hug me.
3362230	3367930	Yeah, so I'll be honest, like 10 years off, it depends what kind of 10 years off we're talking
3367930	3375230	10 years, like I kept up with tech, or 10 years I did. And I think the biggest hurdle that you
3375230	3382370	were going to run into is going to be HR. Once you get past HR, and you talk to me in the interview,
3382370	3386570	within the first three minutes, I'm gonna know whether you're full of shit or not.
3386570	3392570	And that's what it comes down to is getting past that HR screen. And I think that's what
3392690	3398290	a lot of us mentors kind of bring to the table is, look, I know someone at this company that
3398290	3403150	has this opening you'd be great for, and it's just bypassing the bullshit screens we all have
3403150	3409290	to go through. And I think that's what a large part of being a mentor is, is don't get discouraged.
3409370	3413850	Any HR person, and we know this, I don't want to talk shit on HR, but like a little bit.
3413850	3420710	You know, you take 10 years off, I'm gonna see that his person hasn't been working for 10 years.
3420710	3426330	But to Danny's point, to everybody else's point, like we all know mothers. Holy shit is that
3426330	3433070	back-breaking work that it doesn't translate to a resume, but to anyone that has a child,
3433070	3438630	Jesus, you would put in the hours. So I think the HR screen is going to be your problem,
3438630	3442290	not the technical interview. Keep your chops up, and you're good,
3442290	3448470	and all of us will help you as best we can get past that HR hurdle we all face.
3449590	3450890	I love HR though.
3452710	3454230	Moose, do you want to say something?
3454270	3459910	I do. Three things, and I'm going to keep it very short because I know I've talked a lot,
3459910	3463430	but one, thank you for asking this question. I think it's really important, and not a lot
3463430	3469090	of people are brave enough to ask it. And thank you for having the strength to put your family
3469090	3474390	first, because that is something that there are a lot of people in this industry who struggle with
3474390	3481270	that, and that's super admirable to at least me. So I want to put that out there. The second thing
3481270	3488830	is to kind of bounce off of No Hack Me and say, not only is what you said true, but there's also
3488830	3494910	the added layer of that of you're asking questions here, you're probably signing up for this program,
3494910	3501810	but you're opening a huge door, because sometimes it's about who you know, and I think that being
3501810	3506190	more involved in the community is really going to be a boon to you. But there are a lot of
3506190	3511270	volunteer positions that you can volunteer for at InfoSec Cons, especially right now that we're
3511270	3516270	all remote. So reach out to the different cons that are coming up, volunteer, put that on your
3516270	3521330	resume, like put your home lab on your resume, put stuff like that on your resume, because it doesn't
3521330	3526810	need to be, I am at this formal company right now. You can put additional stuff that you've done,
3526810	3532510	research you've done, education you've kept up with on your resume, write a blog, showcase the fact
3532510	3537410	that you can write really well on the blue side. If you can write a report, you're golden. And then the
3537410	3542990	last thing I'll say is, 10 years of changing diapers, I have walked into clients that look
3542990	3548510	like a diaper barge after a threat actor has hit them. So that's valid experience. And just
3548510	3553470	know that you've been looking at the things that we look at every day, no matter what.
3554810	3560450	Awesome. I want to note on this. Oh, well, actually, before I go up, Allie, want to go for it?
3560450	3566870	Yeah, thanks. I totally agree with everything, you know, everyone said. I also think from sort of a
3566870	3575510	tactical perspective, you obviously are going to have a lot on your plate, both with career and life.
3575570	3582050	And I think it's probably just really important for you to do it yourself or get support to do
3582050	3588370	this. But to really prioritize, what is your sort of attack plan? Where are you going to be focusing
3588370	3594470	your time, resources, and energy? And trying to figure out, like, maybe kind of doing your own
3594470	3600410	gap analysis or kind of your own SWOT analysis, your strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and
3600410	3607190	threats. And just kind of figuring out, like, what needs to be stronger? What can you work
3607190	3613850	on? And really kind of strategically thinking about your priorities, because you obviously
3613850	3619570	are going to have a lot of, you know, restrictions on your time and your resources. And then I think
3619570	3625170	also, and this is something that hopefully your, you know, potential mentor and network and friends
3625170	3631670	can help you with. But I think too, given your circumstances, you are going to want to maybe
3631670	3638630	proactively seek an organization who embraces you, who embraces your background. And I think
3638630	3643870	that's something that could be really crucial to your success. So I'll just leave it with that.
3645190	3651090	Yeah, no, I think these are very good points. Actually, I was going to kind of note on that.
3651090	3655930	If you're dealing with that, I think one of the important things, like it was said by
3655930	3661950	Nohagmi, HR is going to be one of the main problems you're going to really face, right? But even then,
3661950	3667890	you know, learn social engineering. There's always one way that you can, you know, speak to someone,
3667890	3672530	especially they relate. And if you find that way that it can relate to someone, especially,
3672530	3678750	you know, for many of us, having kids is so relatable, right? You can play that as an
3678750	3683310	extent and during that HR, you know, stuff, obviously, they're going to look at things like,
3683310	3687330	you know, have you, you know, when you stop working or not, but then you can you can change
3687330	3693890	that conversation. And also, it was said before, you know, taking care of someone, you know, even
3693890	3699470	if it's changing diabetes, you learn a lot of things, you know, risk management, you know,
3699470	3704550	crisis management, you know, how to respond to incidents, right? So, there's a lot of things
3704550	3710010	that are analogies to security anyways, because they happen in real life. You can flip all of that
3710010	3715970	in a way that, you know, say, hey, I might not have in real life, you know, on that technical
3715970	3721170	subject, but I know what it's like when I have to deal with this. And, you know, and there are many
3721170	3729450	things in life that align a lot with what we do anyways. So, you know, find a way to kind of,
3729450	3734410	you can bring and say, hey, I know this. And that life experience sometimes is much more valuable
3734410	3740890	than the technical experience you can bring. Anyone else want to add something to this? Otherwise,
3740890	3745610	Ajit, you want to say something? Yeah, go for it. On the topic of conferences, if you have a local
3745610	3751130	B-Sides chapter, it's a great place to get started. They tend to be very approachable, and most of
3751130	3758730	them are always looking for help. I know that we are. I help run B-Sides Philly. If you're in the
3758730	3766130	know, we have a few. Go ahead, no hug me. I'm saying B-Sides DC, B-Sides charm. You want to get involved,
3766130	3774290	hit me up. Yeah, so as far as... go for it, go for it, Moose. That's all I wanted to say.
3778490	3783650	Yeah, so I think as far as conference goes, we cover quite a bit of ground in there. I'd
3783650	3791270	shout out to the Shellcon crew as well. A few of the B-Sides. We got Circle City Con, right?
3792110	3796630	Yeah, there you go. See, you gotta show this. So, there's plenty of conferences,
3796630	3803870	some even that I really haven't gone. Hushcon is another fun conference. So,
3803870	3807790	yeah, get involved on those. But there's another question that came up as well from
3807790	3817270	the audience. And someone is asking, do any of your mentors help or partake or mentor in the
3817270	3830450	local high school in any way? Ali? Sorry, a little burn there. Yeah, so I'm actually so excited.
3830450	3840310	It's a relatively new effort. But I'm in the D.C. area. And I just made a new friend over Twitter.
3840710	3849450	And he actually has already started an effort to provide free IT and also security training,
3849450	3856770	basically a program to the Black youth in D.C. who are notoriously historically underserved
3856770	3862330	and underprivileged. And I'm really honored that he's considering to bring me on to help.
3862770	3869310	So, I'll have more on that actually soon. But that will be actually primarily for the high
3869310	3879150	school age for the kids in D.C. Awesome. Rando? Yeah. First of all, plug for a very good friend
3879150	3886850	of mine. He is on Twitter at Simple Skink, S-K-I-N-K. He gave a talk at Circle a couple
3886850	3893930	years ago. And this guy has done a ton, a ton of work reaching out to his local school community,
3893930	3899630	I think in like the Louisville area. So, first point of order is to go follow him,
3899630	3906710	pick his brain, his DMs are open, he's done. And he actually did a really good talk. So,
3906710	3913110	talk at Circle City, I think it was like 2017 or 2018. Anyway, on from that, I recently,
3913110	3922670	not high school kids, but I recently gave a talk to four different classes of middle schoolers.
3922670	3928130	And that was a complete eye opener about how they give and receive information. And by the way,
3928130	3936190	if you use Facebook, they will make fun of you. So, I got in by accident because I have
3936190	3942750	this is gonna sound super pretentious, but the dude who cuts my grass is also a high school
3942750	3947790	teacher and teaches PE in middle school. And I was like, well, I should be cutting your grass.
3947790	3954390	First of all, second of all, he got me in there. If somebody is thinking about being a mentor and
3954390	3959810	trying to get into schools, or if you are in high school and have never gotten a good speaker,
3959810	3966310	it is incredibly, incredibly hard, I have found to get into schools. It is hard to get them to
3966310	3972590	return phone calls because like, I actually don't know why. But yeah, so if you're thinking about
3972590	3980610	mentoring, go follow SimpleSkink. He has fought all of these fights for you already. And if you
3980610	3986930	want to do it, it is super rewarding. Just know that there's like we talked before about
3987570	3993510	ways to give and receive information, even among adults, it's hard. So be prepared to really have
3993510	3999570	to translate. And I want to do more of it, because that is a skill talking to high schoolers that I
3999570	4004110	have yet to master or that I ever will, because they all stay the same age, and I keep getting
4004110	4013990	older. I don't know. I don't know. No, I think that's, that's, that's good. Personally, I do
4013990	4019590	volunteer from time to time in my time. And this is actually one of the things that I found,
4019590	4024670	you know, the, I go to, you know, maybe not sometimes, I've only been to high school twice,
4025090	4030750	but I've gone to elementary or junior schools. And one of the coolest things that I like to do
4030750	4037750	is take some of the badges to those schools and, and use it sometimes as gadgets and props to talk
4037750	4043270	about hackers and so forth. Because they have a good way to kind of get, you know, everyone engaged,
4043270	4048450	even if, especially in high school, the times that I use them. So, but yeah, there's some
4048450	4055510	challenges with that. The place I work there, there is a bit of a program where if you are from
4055510	4060590	Latin heritage, and you speak Spanish, like in my case, you know, we volunteer to, you know,
4060590	4064630	go to a university or some other place and kind of, you know, do be on a panel or do a talk
4065070	4070790	representation. So, yeah, it's slightly different to be mentoring someone, you know, at that level.
4070790	4076490	It also comes with a few constraints. So, you know, where you do it, how you do it,
4076490	4080950	you always have to be mindful on both of the sides, especially at that age level,
4080950	4086030	and the role of a mentor, right? So, whenever I engage in that, I try to make sure that it
4086030	4090210	is never a one-on-one. Personally, it's more like a setting where it's pretty public,
4090210	4094550	and it's in a group, you know, setting, just because it's the easiest way to answer many
4094550	4099470	questions. And also, because I'm not qualified to kind of have that, you know, that setting with
4099470	4104490	someone, you know, I'm not tutoring. And I think that's very important to kind of touch on this,
4104490	4109530	right? There's a distinction between tutoring and mentoring. And, you know, that will not be
4109530	4114750	the demographic that, you know, I personally feel confident to provide some sort of mentoring. I
4114750	4120170	was a teenager once, and, you know, I felt many things during that age. So, I think that's an
4120170	4127370	important thing to kind of note. And with that said, we do have another question that came in
4127370	4134290	as well. And it says, may the panelists speak on, you know, goal-setting over the ambitious goals,
4134290	4140010	you know? So, if you set an over-ambition goal, how to manage your workload and burnout,
4140010	4145090	you know, putting pressure on yourself to succeed at all costs. Basically, we're talking about burnout.
4145090	4152750	Yeah, I can actually, I think I can start to speak on that. So, I have constantly struggled with
4152750	4160830	trying to do too much and burning out or getting really close to burning out. So, one example is
4160830	4167910	actually at the start of this pandemic. So, my work started going remote in mid-March.
4168410	4175070	And around the same time, just right as we went remote, I actually got COVID. And I wound up
4175070	4180250	being sick for about two, two and a half months. If you ever heard of, like, a COVID long hauler,
4180250	4187410	that was me. It's horrible. Do not recommend. Zero of 10. Like, do not recommend. But, of course,
4187410	4193370	what wound up happening was, I had an amazing supportive boss who pretty much let me kind of
4193370	4198810	just, you know, I went to take, like, a week or two off, maximum. And then I started trying to
4198810	4204390	work. And I felt, like, I felt a lot of guilt about, like, trying to work when I was still
4204390	4211430	really sick. And I felt like I didn't perform enough. So, I wound up just taking on an insane
4211430	4217090	amount of work when I started to feel better. And in the last, like, two or three weeks, I basically
4217090	4226110	had, like, three major projects all, like, crescendo at the same time. And I hit a point where, like,
4226110	4230730	I woke up in the morning and I just dreaded the day. And I realized that, like, I kind of did that
4230730	4237310	to myself. And I have to be realistic about what I'm capable of doing and what I'm not capable of
4237310	4242690	doing. And I've always been this way. Like, I push so hard and I just keep going. And, like, like I
4242690	4248230	said, I'm also a part-time grad student. And if anyone has ever been to grad school, like, it's
4248230	4253690	kind of an insane rush. And it's full of a lot of overachievers. And you have a kind of constant
4253690	4258570	imposter syndrome where you think that everyone is way smarter than you and they can do the
4258570	4265530	project in one hour when it takes you, like, 12 or 24, whatever it is. So, you know, I've had to, like,
4265530	4272230	be careful with myself and let myself just fail a little bit and set smaller goals and, like,
4272230	4277590	actually delegate where it's possible to delegate. Like, these projects, I could have trained someone
4277590	4282690	else to do this part or that part or, you know, reassign something. And I, for whatever dumbass
4282690	4288650	reason, chose not to do that. And that's kind of, like, I'm still, like, paying for that a little
4288650	4298430	bit. And it's a constant struggle. Anyone else? Moose, I see you. So, that question hits home
4298430	4307110	because I am known for my burnout. I almost struggle saying no to things when they come in.
4307110	4313410	And I am a hyper-technical person. So, like, I want to know the inside detail on how everything
4313410	4320990	works in this problem. I'm also a perfectionist, also a problem. And I have to go ahead and give
4321130	4326970	a shout out to my intern right now that I have, that I'm mentoring, wrote a blog post this past
4326970	4332650	week. And part of this blog post was the best advice I've gotten recently was take a break.
4333250	4341530	And so, for you, like, you're trying to eat the elephant. It's okay. You just have to do it in
4341530	4347570	parts. And I think having overly ambitious goals is great. I've had them. I was working
4348090	4355170	beyond full-time doing SOC-IR, completing my master's degree in DFIR at the same time,
4355630	4362010	and volunteering for another organization. And I didn't sleep much. And that wasn't exactly
4362010	4369490	healthy. So, you know, as a mentor, I'm never going to say what you should or shouldn't do.
4369490	4375250	But I might ask a lot of questions and share my life experience and say, hey, you know,
4375250	4381990	these are the kinds of things that have helped me. Did you remember to eat today? How much have
4381990	4389530	you slept this week? You know, some things like that that, you know, my boss said to me recently,
4389530	4394230	I'm taking Monday and Tuesday off, by the way, because I haven't slept much recently. But
4394230	4400810	they say to me on a frequent basis of, you know, we'll always have IRs, but we only have one Heather.
4401930	4407690	And I think that's a really good way to look at it for you. Have those overly ambitious goals.
4407690	4412570	Shoot for the moon. But there's only one you. So keep yourself alive while you're doing it.
4413530	4421950	Awesome. Rubix? Yeah, I wanted to call out something and give some words to,
4421950	4427170	you know, what people would feel in different situations. Because there's stress and then
4427170	4435390	there's burnout. And really there's a difference. And you can have a stressful work career and be
4435390	4442010	happy and productive. And stress doesn't necessarily have to be bad. Burnout is when
4442010	4449050	that stress is doing different things to you. So, you know, go Google that stress versus burnout,
4449050	4454210	and you can kind of see the differences there and help measure yourself. Am I just in a stressful
4454210	4460230	situation or am I approaching burnout? And because the ways that you respond to that is a little bit
4460230	4463530	different. So I wanted to throw that out there, give those skills to anybody that's listening
4466010	4469430	to recognize that and be able to respond accordingly.
4470290	4475310	Awesome. I'll link to this part of that. So we go into the final notes with a personal note.
4475310	4481210	There's a co-worker of mine, if he's watching or he will ever watch, that has told me many times,
4481210	4486890	you said yes, right? You know, you tend to say yes too much. And it is definitely a thing that
4486890	4493590	some of us learn to deal and learn to... so learn to say no. And it's okay to say no.
4493770	4499070	There will be more time to try new things and experience things, but it's completely fine. And
4499070	4505770	the sooner you learn to do that, you will be able to succeed even more because you're able to
4505770	4511730	funnel all of the time that you have into that one primary task. And instead of, you know,
4511730	4516390	trying to find more hours of the day that you don't have to do all the other things that you're
4516390	4522230	raising your hand for. So if you want to learn it from me, then learn to say no. So hi to my
4522230	4528990	co-worker. All right. So we're at the end of the panel and this is the time for us to basically
4528990	4535210	end. And I want to give everyone an opportunity. You got about a quick minute to just go through,
4535210	4542290	you know, last comments regarding the program. Maybe you want some simple advice to end.
4542310	4548770	It's totally up to you. So, you know, do you want me to do it the same way that we did it before
4548770	4553910	from the top and the bottom? Or is that fine? Muteki? All right. Take it away.
4555110	4560230	I just want to say it's been absolutely awesome to work on this and we've gotten
4560730	4567270	an amazing surge of interest. And I'm super excited to delve into like how this is
4567270	4572230	going to work. So it's probably, we're not going to wind up with any assignments at least for
4572230	4577710	probably a week or so. If you know people that are interested in mentoring, please send them over
4577710	4587110	bootcamp.com. And I just want to say that, you know, we're really we want to be cognizant about
4587110	4591730	how people have different experiences. And we didn't really have time to address a lot of
4591730	4598510	the questions that kind of came up. But one of the things that happened was last night a bunch
4598510	4602670	of us actually had this like random Zoom call. And it wound up being like the most philosophical
4602670	4607390	Zoom call I think I've ever been on. And one of the things that came up was different experiences.
4607390	4612630	So my experience as a woman who is also gay in the workforce means that I'm kind of an honorary
4612630	4619190	man. And that means that my experience of things as like a super assertive, like very outspoken
4619190	4626190	steamroller of a human being is not going to be the same as a more feminine woman's would be.
4626190	4633710	And all experiences are valid. And I think all of us that want to be a mentor are trying our
4633710	4639070	hardest to recognize that those differences exist. And some of the most important things that we can
4639070	4645290	do is to just believe people. To believe women, believe black people, believe people of
4645290	4651430	color. And to really like to take that into consideration. So I hope that we're able to
4651430	4659790	achieve that for all the people that apply to be mentees. Awesome. Yeah, good point. Actually,
4659790	4666510	just a quick thing. We collected some, I think we so far got a few mentee submissions. Do you
4666510	4676070	know what count are we? Let me check. We're almost at 200. And a huge surge, mostly mentees. So we
4676070	4681690	are actively looking for more mentors. And you people are really interested in technical skill
4681690	4687690	acquisition, developing confidence, interpersonal skills, and imposter syndrome is definitely high
4687690	4694510	on that list. And also like things like interviews and things like that. And you people love DFIR too.
4694510	4701850	Like everyone wants to do DFIR. It's great. Awesome. Thank you. All right. So as you heard, we're looking
4701850	4708330	for mentors. And if you're a mentee, you know, we have a line to go through. So
4708330	4716490	don't matter. Just come in and sign up. Rando. First of all, suck it red team. Second of all,
4717350	4724530	just a word about projection, right? Right now, everybody who is either
4724530	4732990	thinking about being a mentee or has already applied, like don't project yourself out for
4732990	4739050	failure. And don't project yourself out for like conquering the world. That's a good thing to have.
4739050	4746510	But take this seriously, right? If you get into this, like get into this groove with us,
4746510	4750190	and all of a sudden you start projecting about how it's not going to do you any good,
4750190	4756810	or I'm not a fit for this, or whatever. Always keep in mind to not project. You cannot tell
4756810	4761690	the future. You don't know for sure if you're going to fail or if you're going to succeed.
4762150	4768830	Spoiler alert, you're going to do both multiple times. So just take this seriously in the moment.
4768830	4774390	Every single minute that you do this, that is the minute that you are concentrating on. And
4774390	4778650	then let that take you forward. Don't project where you're going to end up. Take it seriously,
4778650	4793510	and I promise we will too. Awesome. Rubix? Do you hear me? Rubix? Rubix? I think he's muted.
4794770	4803510	No? We'll skip him. Pulling at Clay. Yeah? I don't think he can hear me. We'll skip him for now.
4803510	4810270	He disconnected. All right, he's coming back. Let's see. Maybe Audio is back on. All right,
4810270	4820210	awesome. Did my technology fail right at the right moment? Okay. Yeah, your turn. All right,
4820210	4826950	it's my turn. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. I always enjoy hearing what people are
4826950	4832890	out there and what they're facing, the variety of things. And I do want to echo the, you know,
4832890	4839790	it's okay to fail and also kind of bring back the burnout thing. I've had a little short stints
4839790	4845610	of absolutely no technology jobs in between my 28-year career where I've been like,
4845610	4853350	I'm going to be a bartender or I'm going to help, you know, rebuild houses or, you know,
4853350	4859210	I mean, it's crazy. You'll get there. You're going to, you know, you're going to be at points
4859210	4862630	in your life where you're just going to want to do something else. And to make it, you know,
4862630	4867110	full 30, almost 30 years that I have, you know, you've got to take some breaks and whatnot. So
4867110	4874210	even if you are not ultimately successful and, you know, have this ramp of exactly you met your goals,
4874210	4879650	you know, that doesn't mean you failed completely and you can't have success. So,
4880170	4883290	you know, we'll work together. We'll find some ways, but understand that
4883290	4887710	we'll all have some bumps and bruises along the way. And I look forward to it.
4889210	4891250	Awesome. Thank you for that, G.
4893170	4900350	Yeah, I'd say that success in the program for both parties relies on keeping each other
4900350	4904310	accountable and kind of holding each other accountable and being active, you know,
4904310	4909770	an active participant in your role in that. Otherwise it becomes lopsided and it ends up
4909770	4914950	not working for one of the other party. But I'm super excited to get this kicked off.
4915210	4918950	You know, it's something that I didn't necessarily have coming up in the industry when I was
4918950	4921910	starting out and I wish I'd had it. So it's gonna be good, I hope.
4923730	4924990	Awesome. Allie?
4926690	4931310	I just want to say that I'm so thankful for being invited to this special group of
4931310	4937450	amazing people. And I can't wait to help as many folks as we can. And like I said earlier,
4937450	4940030	just sending the ladder back down. So I can't wait.
4942070	4943970	Perfect. Thank you. Nohagmi?
4946050	4950810	Hey, to kind of touch on the earlier point, like stress versus burnout,
4950810	4956390	to throw it back to a sports ball reference, you know, are you injured or are you hurt?
4957030	4961930	And I think a lot of our careers, like they say, you know, pick something you love to do,
4961930	4967470	so you fail to set boundaries, you eventually burn out and learn to hate it. Don't do that.
4967470	4973110	I think my career is kind of pivoted to things where I have been in incredibly stressful
4973110	4979490	situations and have kind of walked that line on burning out. The mentor program, I'm super
4979490	4984390	excited to be a part of it. You're going to get out of it what you put into it. And that's going
4984390	4989610	to be anything you do in the security industry. Like, caveats, I don't know if we're supposed to
4989610	4998150	sell ourselves now. You have access to my entire network. I've done a lot of things. I've walked,
4998150	5002290	anyone who knows me, I've walked a really weird path in life and in a career.
5002790	5007410	The only rules, I think they're the same rules for all of us. Like, don't make us regret it.
5007410	5012410	Like, don't be a piece of shit. And eventually one day someone is going to ask you to do the
5012410	5019150	same thing for them and do it. That's what we're trying to do. None of us are going to be here
5019150	5023550	forever. We're trying to build something that will be. And I think this mentor program is a
5023550	5030350	fantastic start. So, please take advantage of it. And yes, find me on the internet. I'll be around.
5032070	5038830	Awesome. Well said, also. Thank you. Moose. So, I think a lot of good things have already
5038830	5044010	been said. But for me, one of the things that I would want to leave this off with is
5044710	5050850	my insane speed doesn't need to be your insane speed. My path is not necessarily your path.
5050850	5059190	What we're here to do as mentors is be there to lean on, be there to bounce ideas off of,
5059190	5064130	and help you find your perfect path. Because there's no right or wrong path in InfoSec.
5065250	5072110	And just as a personal aside, I can be an overwhelming person. Because I'll say,
5072110	5078150	oh, yeah, I'm doing shellcon things right now. And then I'm going with my other half
5078150	5086150	to do besides LV things. And he runs HushCon, so I talk about that a lot. And I'll be all over the
5086150	5092690	place. But that doesn't need to translate to you or any one of us. Like, I'm going to throw
5092690	5102090	Danny under the bus, because he's used to being there. But he is constantly involved in everything,
5102090	5107010	which is beautiful. And I love that about him, both as a friend, a human being, and somebody
5107010	5112370	in InfoSec. But that doesn't need to mean that that's what you have to do to be successful.
5112670	5117790	And just because you see one of us doing X, Y, and Z things, doesn't mean that that's our trick
5117790	5124190	or recommendation for success. And you don't even have to be InfoSec right now. You can be a Jason.
5124350	5129510	You can be whatever you want to be. We just want to help get you to the point where,
5129510	5134010	like, step by step, you're closer to what's making you happy in life.
5135830	5141310	Awesome. Where did Clay go? This came and he hid, right? He's like,
5141310	5146090	I'm out of here. He's playing the, I'm the technical guy, so I'm just going to go and hide.
5146090	5148890	Clay, you're still around? You want to say something?
5150290	5154410	That's a negative. He's going to say something. Go, go, go.
5154910	5163070	I'm just thrilled and honored and humbled to be a mentor. And I look forward to
5163760	5170850	to what the future holds. Classy Clay words. Love you, man.
5170850	5174990	That's gooey. Yeah, well, I wanted to say something clever,
5174990	5182610	but yeah, a lot of folks here already did that. Maybe just one thing. I think you said that
5182610	5189530	there's 200 people that are subscribed as a mentee. So I know that a few of us today worked on
5189530	5197710	recruiting more mentors. And I know that I've managed to have four more that I would personally
5197710	5203230	love to have as mentors. So I'm extremely proud of some of the people that are coming in this
5203230	5210590	program as mentors as well. So keep following. I think you won't be disappointed with what's coming.
5210590	5217950	And of course, again, all of us here, I think we're, or you guys are all good people as well.
5218390	5224070	I think I can learn also from you, and I hope that we will be able to share also together.
5225870	5229470	Awesome. Thank you for that. So on that note, we actually did get some,
5229470	5233730	you know, maybe some known figures, some of the ones that are not that much known,
5233730	5240190	but we're all here trying to give you, you know, some time. And we really want you to maximize the
5240190	5246310	time. If you at any point, you know, feel like the match isn't working, it's completely fine,
5246310	5251510	as I said before. We also have a very important rule. We have, if you ever feel like something
5251510	5258250	isn't right, you can report any sort of concerns. And that's completely anonymous. And, you know,
5258250	5262270	we're making a path to be able to deal with those things. So we want to make sure that you feel very
5262270	5267550	comfortable and that there are no shenanigans that are taking place. Will, you know, will any
5267550	5271890	of those matter or not? Well, we don't know, but we're doing our best part. At this point,
5271890	5276290	we're running basically out of time. I want to invite you to continue to be here with us
5276290	5282410	on the Blue Team Village. And then we are going to have game night from the Blue Team Village,
5282410	5286870	so if you want to see some folks that are here or other people partaking, we encourage you to,
5286870	5291950	you know, stick around with us, play with that. I want to, the only thing I want to say is thank you,
5291950	5297250	Miteki, you helped me quite a bit on this. Thank you, all of you, mentors, to be part of this,
5297250	5302690	you know, program and journey. You know, we're, I'm very looking forward to see what it is. And
5302690	5306710	just, you know, there are plenty of conferences that are going to happen, so if you want to learn
5306710	5311950	more or, you know, you want to, you know, partake of something that falls from KernelCon, you know,
5311950	5317170	say hi to the crew. Shellcon is, you know, doing call for papers, so there's plenty of opportunities.
5317590	5322930	I'll end with, we have the Meet a Mentor's channel. Come in, sign up. If you're a mentor,
5322930	5329290	please sign up, reach out to us. And another thing is, if you are one of the villages
5329810	5335050	in DEF CON and you want to send a mentor, you want to partake with us, you know, come over,
5335050	5338590	you know, you can take some of the stuff we're trying to build and, you know, take it over to
5338590	5344010	your village. So, you know, be part of this adventure with us. And with that said, I just
5344010	5351430	want to say thank you, and, you know, we'll look forward to hearing from you. All right.