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So welcome back to the Career Hacking Village.

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One thing that's always interesting in our community is that we tend to think that recruiters are evil and they're not human and they don't know what they're talking about.

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So I decided to bring a few of my friends together for some drinks and we're going to talk about finding jobs in this community and also just sort of what is the human side of a recruiter.

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So I'm going to start off.

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You guys can't see the gallery screen because I'm just going to keep the speaker view but pass it on over to everyone.

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I'm going to have my friend Pete with his Iron Maiden shirt on to tell me about what he recruits for and what he's drinking.

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Yeah, thanks.

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So I'm Pete.

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I am a senior recruiter at AWS.

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Most of what I focus on there is primarily high-level architecture for distributed systems, software as a service, anything that has to do with the cloud that's not the kind of pure infrastructure side of the house.

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And I am drinking, as always, at about this time on Fridays, a Manhattan with an extra splash of cherry juice, which is sort of my signature exclamation point on my drink.

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Sounds great.

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And I'm going to invite our Southern Belle, Rachel Bozeman, to share with us what she's doing and what she's drinking.

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Absolutely.

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So I get to help manage our talent acquisition program.

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So we support at CenturyLink.

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We're hiring everything from finance into the nitty-gritty.

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You name it, we're probably hiring for it.

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So I am drinking a red wine.

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One, because they say it's good for your heart.

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And two, because I'm normally a redhead, and I just feel like it's a good vibe.

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So cheers.

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And next we have Matt Duran, who has been my B-Sides buddy for seven, eight years now.

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He was the only person I knew at a B-Sides.

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It took me under his wing and made sure that no one accosted me at my first B-Sides Las Vegas.

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We've been the bane of each other's existence and good friends ever since.

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So Matt, what do you recruit for and what are you drinking?

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Well, not only that, I just wanted to make sure you didn't get kicked out because they thought you were going to arrest them because you were a cop.

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You look like an undercover cop.

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One of these things just doesn't belong, right?

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No, I'm kidding.

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Everything belongs at B-Sides and in this community.

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So thanks for having me.

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My name is Matt Duran.

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I'm a Senior Manager of Talent Acquisition at Tenable.

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And I also handle a lot of our employment branding and recruitment marketing type stuff too.

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But things that I recruit on or my team recruits for is everything from our platform software engineers, so cloud-based stuff, but also on-prem, building on-prem devices.

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If you've ever heard of Nessus, we build that security center and things like that.

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Also our researchers, our zero-day stuff, our plug-in writers, things of that nature, back office IT, even our technical support team as well, just to name a few things.

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And I am drinking out of my Star Wars glass there.

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It's a little Death Star.

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I'm drinking an old Forrester 1910.

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It's a very good one.

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Why I chose that one is it's affordable and it's not an everyday drinker, but it tastes good, neat, and that's how I take my whiskey.

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So that's me.

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And that's one thing that I have yet to do is learn how to drink whiskey, even though everyone around me drinks whiskey.

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So when I was at that first B-Sides Las Vegas, first Hacker Summer Camp about seven, eight years ago, ten years ago, someone said earlier today that was ten years ago, and I know that wasn't the case.

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I met this guy with this really cool accent and I invited him to come and be on a panel along with Matt.

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So Chris Rides, thank you for being on the journey with me throughout all of the B-Sides.

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What are you recruiting for and what are you drinking?

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Thanks Kathleen.

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So I've got a cyber security staff in a professional services company, Tyro Security.

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So we staff just cyber security.

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So I've got a team of people and they focus only in that area.

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In terms of what I'm drinking, you guys were talking about whiskey.

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I was this close to grabbing, I like Woodford Reserve is my go-to bourbon and I was this close to going for a nice Woodford.

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But then it was so sunny out here and I thought I'd do this on my balcony that I went down to the farmer's market this morning and got this amazing blood orange juice.

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Goes great with some vodka.

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That sounds fancy.

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Goes with that whole decor in the background there, man.

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It does, doesn't it, right?

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You're in a cabana somewhere in Hawaii, don't lie to us.

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I wish, I really wish.

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You need an umbrella in there to really just set it off.

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Yeah, and a cherry on top or something.

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Yeah , well, he's trying to still sort of do the bachelor thing, even though he's a new dad.

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So I'm going to give him grief about trying to do all that.

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And me, I'm drinking my red wine.

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I'm drinking it out of my crystal glasses from a little crystal blower up in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

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I have a family run.

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They went out of business and then a woman came along and said, this needs to be saved.

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So I am very proud to drink from her glasses.

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Anyways, so we're all drinking.

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We're all having a good time.

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We're all human beings.

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I'm going to throw a question out that no one's been prepared for.

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So Matt, how has recruiting changed since the pandemic came around?

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Wow.

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So I think there's a few things.

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One, I think the pool got a little bit bigger, right?

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I mean, the Canada pool and the ability to reach out to somebody and have them respond to that fairly quickly.

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But I think a lot of the companies out there that, you know, like a LinkedIn or something, they've allowed you to put that open to work on your profile.

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So it's not as hidden as it once was.

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It's plain as day right there on the screen and allows folks to know who's really looking.

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And a second thing, and hopefully I'm not taking somebody else's answer, is I think the understanding of why somebody was let go and no longer working, it's kind of hard to argue these days.

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In the past, it's always been a bit of a red mark on somebody.

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You were laid off, so you had to have been on the lower echelon of the team.

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I think that's kind of been myth-busting.

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So Rachel, for a big firm like CenturyLink, you know, obviously you were always ramping up for projects and stuff.

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What's going on now for you?

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Are you slowing down or ramping up?

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A little bit of both in there.

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And I would agree with what Matt shared.

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I mean, the pools have gotten bigger, but I've definitely had to seek some guidance and some help.

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My feelings have been a little hurt as of late.

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So while the pools are bigger, we're getting ghosted a lot as well.

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So we've seen an uptick of folks that are applying with really no intent to follow through.

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So we've been trying to make a lot of friends that really don't want to be friends.

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So it's added that complexity of just trying to really find the ones that are genuinely looking for work and not just applying just because it's the Vogue thing to do.

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So... And Pete, you've got, you know, a lot of ramping up going on with AWS and Amazon and... Everybody needs the cloud.

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Everyone needs the cloud.

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So, you know, how have you changed your strategies and what are you seeing different in the field right now?

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Yeah.

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So my search strategy has completely changed.

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There are no more city parameters on my searches.

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It's wherever I can find a good engineer at that level, I'm going to continue to do that.

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But I think that the most market thing I've seen is, and I've been banging the drum for 10 years on this, that it's an engineering gig.

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Have code, we'll travel.

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You do not need to sit next to 10 people in an office to write fantastic code.

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And it's taken a global pandemic for people to go, oh my gosh, this code's still good, even though this person wrote it in their basement wearing their pajamas.

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We have finally started to come around to the fact this is going to be a tipping point, I think, of companies saying, you know what?

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We actually can have remote workers.

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Maybe you can be a little more competitive on pay when you're not spending it on buildings to house all these people.

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So Chris, what's going on for you?

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So you're a little different.

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You're helping companies, you're supporting as a service.

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What's going on in the staffing firms these days?

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Yeah, it's been interesting.

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I think initially there was, specifically within cybersecurity, an assumption with some companies that the pool was going to get much bigger and that the skills gap was almost going to be bridged.

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And I think what they've realized is the areas and the industries that were really affected, like the airlines, the cruise lines, people that did make big layoffs and had to lay off their cybersecurity people, they got snapped up really quickly and they were in huge demand,

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multiple offers.

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And so we've actually built a lot more new clients.

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We've had a lot of new clients come to us asking us to help them fill their positions.

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The thing we're seeing is some companies are really struggling with... it's taking them time to get their interview process down remotely.

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It's taking them time worrying about how are we going to... all of a sudden we're going to have to onboard some of these people and how are we going to onboard them?

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And so it's almost like slowing down a lot of the parts of the process.

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So it's been an interesting change.

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The demand is still there and candidates are... I think Rachel talks about ghosting, that the candidates are in this strange situation where they might see a few people leave and they start getting worried.

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So they start talking and then they don't want to... they're worried about moving and being the last person in, you know, and the first person out if something changes.

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So it's a bit of an unknown.

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It's still a strange situation at the moment.

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Great.

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So one of the things that we wanted to share is sort of the back-end irreverence, the worst case scenarios that, you know, a lot of us have seen when we've been talking to job seekers.

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And one of the panelists submitted this question.

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What is the worst email address you have ever seen?

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Chris?

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Oh boy, I can't believe you came to me first.

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I was trying to think... I was trying to think of a specific one.

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I've seen ones with political references in them and religious references in them, neither of which I think is particularly good when you're applying to jobs and using that email address.

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I don't think I've seen anything... I don't think I've got any funny email stories.

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Of all the stories I've got, I don't think I've got any funny email ones, to be honest.

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I don't think... I can't think of any in particular.

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Maybe talk to the others and I'll continue to think a little bit about that.

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So the one that I've seen a lot is my spam folder.

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I've seen those, yeah.

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I've seen that one.

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So Rachel, have you seen any funny...

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I do work in the South, so if we do one thing well, it's let's screw up email addresses.

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And so this particular one, and I remember it so clearly because I took pictures of it and sent it to everybody I knew, thinking who in the Hades would send this out, but it was Igetdown69 at gmail.com.

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Super classy, and they're free, so please create a free one.

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You know, Yahoo, Ymail, Gmail.

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I mean, go big, but don't... yeah, don't get down on your resume with an email.

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It still lives in infamy.

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I'm gonna borrow your story.

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Your story's not my story.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But I get a lot of big mamas, hot mamas, sexy lady, you know, a lot of those where I'm like, again, they're free.

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You can just do firstname.lastname at Gmail.

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It's free, it's free all day, every day.

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And in that case, you don't have to be, you know, whatever that was, 69-1 or 69-2.

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So if I see it, I know you've attended and we'll talk.

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I get down 69.job search.

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You said it was okay to share that story, right?

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Yeah.

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That'll probably be the tamest story that conference sees.

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I didn't want to break the ice too bad.

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So Pete, you got one?

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Oh, yeah.

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I will never forget one of the last agency resumes I got when I was still on the agency side of the house was captainbrowneyeatyahoo.com.

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I will never, for as many days as I'm left on this planet, I will never forget that email address.

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I'm a little jealous that I can't steal it for my own personal use, but it was pretty great to see on a resume.

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So Chris, I'm going to say, I don't think you can pass these up.

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Can you?

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No chance.

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These are my stories.

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I'm taking these now.

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I'm sorry.

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You're going to become like, I'm going to be on one of these and they're going to say, have you got an email address?

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And I'll say, actually somebody I know.

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And that'll be you guys.

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Yep.

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Let me write that down.

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Captainbrowneyeatyahoo.com.

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It may have been an excite.com domain, so it's probably available again.

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Juno.

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Juno.

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Myspace.

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Maybe that's still around.

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I don't know.

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So another great question that we had was, what is the weirdest LinkedIn request for connections that you've ever got?

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So Pete.

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That's a good question.

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I don't know that the message itself was weird, but I was a little taken aback to get a message where the profile picture was like on a beach in a bikini.

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It wasn't a complaint, but it just was a little shocking that that was the LinkedIn.

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I expect that on Twitter.

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I expect it on Instagram.

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I expect it on Facebook or whatever, but LinkedIn was a little bit of a unique place to get it.

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I mean, it turned out to be an extraordinarily qualified candidate who just really chose poorly for their picture.

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Chris, do you have any interesting ones?

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This literally happened a month and a half ago.

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I actually had somebody try to connect with me, and when I looked at their profile, they were working for my company.

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My company is pretty small.

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So they'd set up a fake profile and were working for Tyro Security.

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And so I sent them a message saying, congratulations on getting a job.

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I hadn't even realized that normally I'm involved in that process.

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And the person actually replied back.

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They replied back saying like laughing and basically just telling me that worth a try or something like that.

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And then I bet you can't guess who I am.

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So then now I'm thinking it's one of my friends or somebody sort of having a joke, but that was probably the weirdest one.

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They changed their profile.

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I tried to report them and I reported them and they just changed their profile to say that they were working for Amazon after that.

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I guess it's easier to hide at least, right?

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When you've got that many employees.

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Yeah.

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The fake employees is great.

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We have three janitors in India.

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So that's always interesting.

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And I think we've got a window washer in the Ukraine and we've filed the complaints for a long time, but hey.

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Wow.

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You have the cleanest offices ever.

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Yeah .

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Especially since we've been remote for 20 years.

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That's very interesting.

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They obviously haven't done their OSINT enough.

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With that kind of staff though, you could be cleanjobs.net.

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Oh, I see what you did there.

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7.30 is different from the 9.30.

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Try the veal tippy waitress.

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So Matt, what is the weirdest one you've gotten?

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Can I change the question a little bit?

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And the weirdest one I've sent?

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Oh, sure.

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I sent one to myself one time.

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I'm not sure if I feel sad for you or if I want to know about the story.

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I found my picture on a profile.

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And so I sent through.

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It wasn't my name.

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It was just my picture, which I thought was weird.

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It's an impressive beard though.

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I mean, let's be honest.

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It was before that.

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This was like six months ago.

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No, I'm kidding.

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No, this was a long time ago.

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And I wasn't even working at Tenenbaum at the time.

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And I found my own picture on a profile and I just sent a connection request to it.

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I said, you're a good looking guy.

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Brilliant.

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I don't think they ever responded, but I just thought it was funny.

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It'd be great if you could send that request now with your beard to you without your beard.

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Yes.

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There's like a weird Back to the Future reference there somewhere.

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Well, considering that, that I've known you since your beard was this long.

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That was back when you worked with the, what was it?

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That little crocodile thing?

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It was the gecko.

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That was when my hair was this long.

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It didn't happen here.

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It was this long here.

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And I hadn't had the beard yet.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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You had that.

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Anyway.

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So Rachel, this was your question.

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What was the weirdest LinkedIn request you got?

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So it started out, we'll take you through the journey.

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It started out genuine request about a job turned into, can I meet you at the bar at 7pm?

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And it just, it got creepy real quick, real fast.

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Needless to say, didn't get a job.

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Didn't get a date.

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That never happens to me.

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No?

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Nope.

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I know it's shocking.

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Use Matt's profile picture.

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I think it's working out for everybody.

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Clearly .

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I thought I'd got lucky when I got a, I got a request from, it looked like it was Baby Spice.

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I was like, no way.

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She looked just like she did when she was there.

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And it turned out it was, and this, Pete, you're going to find this amusing.

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I put a post on LinkedIn about it because it was Baby Spice's picture.

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It was a male name and they were working at Amazon.

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Sorry, no, they were working at Microsoft on AWS.

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Amazing.

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Which is really, I mean, it's a good gig if you can get it.

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Yep.

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That's probably a little harder to explain than like developing in Java and .NET at the same time.

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I imagine mixing clouds is, I don't know.

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Yeah.

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I can't imagine.

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I mean, I'm sure that they're probably messing around with AWS as much as they can, but I don't think officially they've got a department, but you know, maybe they do.

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Well, the weirdest, the weirdest requests I get, and it's just, it's just really sad, but people drop their entire resume in a LinkedIn request to me.

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And I'm seeing some head noddings, you know, like here, here's my resume.

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I'm like, sorry, not the best approach.

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You definitely need to look at someone's profile and find out what they are.

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99.9% of the community thinks that I'm a recruiter.

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I'm not.

301
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I will tell you how bad your resume is, but please don't drop your resume in, you know, in there.

302
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So I really like this question that, again, Rachel put together, because I didn't think people gave gifts after an interview.

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So it must be something in the South.

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So Rachel, tell us about your weird gifts.

305
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Southern hospitality.

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Come on, friends.

307
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So this, again, maybe it's just me.

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I don't know what I'm doing wrong in life, but the one that I remember so clearly, I had everyone, you know, I had just left my office and come back in.

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And everyone's like, have you seen it yet?

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Have you seen it yet?

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And I couldn't imagine what I hadn't seen yet.

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Only to find out I had a whip put on my desk with a note that said, hope you call me daddy.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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And it was an internal employee who then I had to fire for this afterwards, who had interviewed for a job.

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So it's still... and I kept the whip for years in my office.

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And then it became kind of a weird thing in HR, like with a whip.

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But it was just always a reminder of things not to do and things not to give.

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So thank you notes, super great.

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Whips, not so cool.

322
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So just, you know, not a great thing to leave a recruiter.

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It's just, it didn't work out for anybody.

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New rule on this panel.

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Rachel goes last.

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Don't invite Rachel.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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She goes last every time.

329
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Yeah , she has to clean up for us.

330
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The rest of us sound like shit after that.

331
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Oh, too funny.

332
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I'm sorry.

333
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I'm finishing that question right now, because no one is going to be able to beat that one.

334
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No one, no one.

335
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I am disappointed.

336
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I thought somebody else was going to have it.

337
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Maybe I'm doing something completely wrong.

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All very right.

339
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Sounds like you're doing something very right to me.

340
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Okay, so new question.

341
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Yeah, well, at least they didn't give you a poll or something, you know.

342
00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:14,710
Well, you didn't, you haven't got to that question yet.

343
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Just kidding.

344
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Move on.

345
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We're only halfway through.

346
00:24:20,830 --> 00:24:25,210
Hey, I know Meg is going to miss the fact that she was not part of this.

347
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So one of our panelists have put in a question.

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What is the worst recruiter pickup line you've seen a recruiter use?

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I'm going to you, Chris.

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Oh my goodness.

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Let's come to me first.

352
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Yeah.

353
00:24:41,170 --> 00:24:42,270
Well, I feel like...

354
00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:46,810
And when you say recruiter pickup line, what do you mean, Pete?

355
00:24:46,810 --> 00:24:48,250
Sorry for clarification.

356
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:57,650
Yeah, like, I guess the, like, what's their initial outreach email and potentially subject line, yeah, their hook line.

357
00:24:59,030 --> 00:25:05,810
Well, I guess being an external agency, like, I mean, we're normally going out to them most of the time, right?

358
00:25:05,810 --> 00:25:07,690
We do get them to come in to us.

359
00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:13,050
I don't think we really get, we don't get really that many, you know, because we're the agency, right?

360
00:25:13,050 --> 00:25:16,610
They're always wanting to, for us, we're going out to them.

361
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So they're usually just replying.

362
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So I haven't got, oh my goodness, a lot of terrible questions.

363
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I'm going to say to you, Catherine, you have to stop coming to me first.

364
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:25,370
Maybe I take inspiration from everybody else's amazing stories.

365
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:29,610
Well, at least we're starting to flesh out the order of who should answer the questions, right?

366
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Rachel's going to go last.

367
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Rachel last.

368
00:25:32,050 --> 00:25:33,010
Yeah, absolutely.

369
00:25:33,010 --> 00:25:33,670
Yeah.

370
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I need more vodka.

371
00:25:35,950 --> 00:25:40,990
Chris, you know, so many other agencies.

372
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Come on, you've got to have seen a really bad subject line out there.

373
00:25:47,790 --> 00:25:50,550
Um , I'll tell you, okay.

374
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I'll tell you a subject line, an outgoing one.

375
00:25:53,170 --> 00:25:55,390
So I'm going to slightly change the story.

376
00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:58,130
And it's a completely true story.

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00:25:58,130 --> 00:26:00,210
It's the company I worked for before this.

378
00:26:00,210 --> 00:26:02,590
And it was somebody in their London office.

379
00:26:02,590 --> 00:26:06,890
And they used to get a good candidate in and mail them out.

380
00:26:07,210 --> 00:26:09,390
And they had a candidate.

381
00:26:10,210 --> 00:26:14,030
And again, diversity wise, you know, it was a tech IT.

382
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We don't get many women in IT.

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00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:21,190
And we used to have like really, really high ratios.

384
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If you had a good female candidate, you knew you were going to place them.

385
00:26:24,410 --> 00:26:28,150
And so everybody was really pushed to get their resume and get them out the door.

386
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Now, you'd hope people would do that respectfully.

387
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:35,330
One of the consultants sent out an email.

388
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And it was, the lady's name was Debbie.

389
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And she was a desktop support candidate.

390
00:26:41,090 --> 00:26:45,510
And the entitled the email outgoing, Debbie does desktop.

391
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:51,850
Yeah.

392
00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:54,490
Final written warning for that one.

393
00:26:54,490 --> 00:26:56,310
That may be a dated reference.

394
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:57,270
I don't know.

395
00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:02,770
I don't know how many people under the age of, I don't know, maybe 30 or...

396
00:27:03,890 --> 00:27:05,370
Yeah, watch it, Matt.

397
00:27:05,370 --> 00:27:06,290
Watch it.

398
00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:09,010
Yeah.

399
00:27:11,010 --> 00:27:14,990
Matt, I'm going to go to you.

400
00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:19,790
Any, any good sort of pickup lines, subject headers?

401
00:27:21,090 --> 00:27:22,770
I'm going to disappoint you on this one.

402
00:27:22,770 --> 00:27:24,350
I don't, I don't have one.

403
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:26,010
I haven't, I haven't heard of one.

404
00:27:26,010 --> 00:27:27,610
I know there's, there's a bunch out there.

405
00:27:27,610 --> 00:27:30,090
And I couldn't think of anything before we got on here.

406
00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:36,410
But I would, I would say anything in all caps is probably the worst thing ever.

407
00:27:36,490 --> 00:27:44,030
If we're going to get real about advice, if that's what we're here for, all caps, something is, is, is just bad.

408
00:27:44,050 --> 00:27:46,970
I've gotten a couple of those and it's, I don't know.

409
00:27:47,270 --> 00:27:48,270
It's odd.

410
00:27:48,270 --> 00:27:49,330
I don't like it.

411
00:27:49,910 --> 00:27:53,090
So I wish I had a better story for you, but I don't.

412
00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:54,350
Going to go to Pete.

413
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:55,990
Get me a job now.

414
00:27:56,190 --> 00:27:58,390
Yeah, I, I get a lot of those.

415
00:27:58,390 --> 00:27:59,930
I am job.

416
00:28:00,210 --> 00:28:01,970
So that's the worst.

417
00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:07,590
So Pete, and then we're going to have Rachel wrap it up with what is the best pickup line.

418
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:08,570
So Pete.

419
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:18,370
So the best one that I can think of is one that I got from an agency when I was working, one of my old companies when I had first gone to the corporate side of things.

420
00:28:18,370 --> 00:28:25,010
It was from an agency and it was, I want to be inside you, was the subject line, dot, dot, dot.

421
00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:32,330
And then I opened the email because of course it couldn't open the email and it said, dot, dot, dot.

422
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:37,910
It had an R, headquarters, walking my employee in for their first day.

423
00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:43,350
So what the message really was, I want to be in your headquarters, walking in my employee for their first day.

424
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:47,970
And I was like, oh, but the subject line was just, I want to be inside you.

425
00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:50,890
I was a little disappointed when I opened it up.

426
00:28:50,890 --> 00:28:53,510
I was really hoping for something a little bit better.

427
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:58,450
But again, I clearly, I don't get all these really good ones that some of you guys get.

428
00:28:59,470 --> 00:29:00,850
Okay, Rachel.

429
00:29:01,150 --> 00:29:02,210
Well, first I'm judging.

430
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:05,730
So let me get off my judgment seat that Pete opened that email.

431
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:06,970
And second...

432
00:29:09,170 --> 00:29:12,050
You obviously don't know Pete that well.

433
00:29:12,130 --> 00:29:16,030
I was behind the safety and solitude of a VPN at the time.

434
00:29:16,030 --> 00:29:16,770
There you go.

435
00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:17,730
Okay, you were safe.

436
00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:20,870
Well, then my judgment is, I will postpone my judgment for later.

437
00:29:20,890 --> 00:29:23,710
No, I don't really have, I'm kind of with Matt.

438
00:29:23,710 --> 00:29:26,310
I don't have anything fantastic.

439
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:27,790
You know, do you come here often?

440
00:29:27,790 --> 00:29:31,150
I mean, I don't really hear too many of that.

441
00:29:31,150 --> 00:29:36,730
I mean, I haven't seen any just other ones that just convince you, oh, I'm so sorry about your loss.

442
00:29:36,770 --> 00:29:40,410
You open it up and it's how can we help you fill it, you know, or things like that.

443
00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:42,790
But nothing just fantastic.

444
00:29:42,790 --> 00:29:43,910
So I'm sorry.

445
00:29:43,910 --> 00:29:47,610
I am probably going to be demoted to like third in line now.

446
00:29:47,610 --> 00:29:51,330
No, that whip story is going to carry you all the way through.

447
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:54,950
I wish I still had it.

448
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:57,110
Well, that's another story.

449
00:29:58,770 --> 00:30:00,150
Okay, next question.

450
00:30:00,150 --> 00:30:04,910
What is the worst excuse you've heard for missing an interview?

451
00:30:04,910 --> 00:30:06,450
Who wants to go first?

452
00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:10,410
I mean, that was my question.

453
00:30:10,410 --> 00:30:11,750
So it'd be really easy for me.

454
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:14,430
It's one of the few ones I can go first on.

455
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:16,030
I've got an answer.

456
00:30:16,030 --> 00:30:16,910
I've got an answer.

457
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:19,490
I should have really.

458
00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:22,990
Probably two of them.

459
00:30:22,990 --> 00:30:26,590
One person we rang and rang.

460
00:30:26,910 --> 00:30:29,110
They just didn't turn up for their interview.

461
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:32,690
Rung them to confirm before, like in the morning.

462
00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:34,510
Didn't answer us.

463
00:30:35,170 --> 00:30:36,410
Rung them again.

464
00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:38,750
Warned the client we haven't managed to get hold of them.

465
00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:39,590
They might not be able to.

466
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:42,030
They might not be turning up, but we spoke to them yesterday.

467
00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:42,790
Fine.

468
00:30:42,850 --> 00:30:49,710
Got a phone call in from the candidate's brother saying, unfortunately, he'd passed away.

469
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:58,730
Then a week and a half later, that candidate's resume was applying for another job.

470
00:30:58,730 --> 00:31:03,570
And somebody spoke to them and it was the same candidate.

471
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:05,390
He'd resurrected.

472
00:31:05,390 --> 00:31:13,630
His name wasn't Jesus, but he's resurrected himself in a week and a half and was denying all knowledge of having an interview.

473
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:16,470
It was such a weird conversation.

474
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:22,210
We had the resurrected candidate and then also did have a candidate who didn't miss the interview.

475
00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:27,250
And I will say these date back quite a bit.

476
00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:30,690
So I feel like I'm dealing with more professional people nowadays.

477
00:31:32,050 --> 00:31:34,430
He celebrated his last day as a company.

478
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:36,130
He had an interview the next day.

479
00:31:36,130 --> 00:31:37,990
Couldn't get hold of him in the morning.

480
00:31:38,250 --> 00:31:43,270
And then he rang us back an hour before his interview and said, Oh, I'm really sorry.

481
00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:46,370
I had too much to drink last night.

482
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:49,090
I'm running a bit late, but I am going to make it.

483
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:50,670
And I will make it on time.

484
00:31:50,670 --> 00:31:56,670
Is there any way you could tell the client I'm a bit disheveled because I'm in last night's suit?

485
00:31:57,370 --> 00:31:58,430
So he said it was my last day.

486
00:31:58,430 --> 00:32:00,230
And I was like, no, honestly, we can delay it.

487
00:32:00,230 --> 00:32:01,630
We can delay it.

488
00:32:01,630 --> 00:32:03,230
We can do something about it.

489
00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:04,530
No, no, I don't want to miss out now.

490
00:32:04,530 --> 00:32:05,590
I really want to go.

491
00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:08,910
And I said, is there anything else we need to tell them?

492
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:10,290
And he said, yeah.

493
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:14,870
So I've got a little bit of claret, as we call it.

494
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:16,110
It isn't wine in England.

495
00:32:16,570 --> 00:32:20,130
I've got some claret down my suit, is what he said.

496
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:24,670
He would actually spend the night in the jail for drunken disorderly.

497
00:32:24,670 --> 00:32:27,670
And he'd cut himself and he had blood all over his suit.

498
00:32:27,670 --> 00:32:30,250
And he was trying to convince us he still wanted to go to the interview.

499
00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:32,890
We needlessly didn't go ahead.

500
00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:35,410
We pulled that one back and changed it.

501
00:32:36,430 --> 00:32:38,750
We gotta admire his determination, though.

502
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:39,230
Yeah.

503
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:39,930
Yeah.

504
00:32:39,930 --> 00:32:41,610
I mean, he wasn't going to drop out.

505
00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:43,730
I mean, he really wanted the job.

506
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:44,770
Yeah.

507
00:32:46,510 --> 00:32:49,010
So Pete, worst excuse?

508
00:32:49,450 --> 00:32:52,530
So I want to curveball a little here.

509
00:32:52,530 --> 00:32:55,050
Like, this person didn't miss the interview.

510
00:32:55,050 --> 00:32:56,550
They made it to the interview.

511
00:32:56,550 --> 00:32:58,830
It was during college recruiting season.

512
00:32:58,990 --> 00:33:04,450
And they had come in late the night before and had gotten there.

513
00:33:04,450 --> 00:33:07,790
And so they didn't get a chance to eat and came in in the morning.

514
00:33:07,790 --> 00:33:23,550
And they sat down for the interview and was clearly having some discomfort partway through the interview and visibly squirming in the seat, not really able to maintain their composure.

515
00:33:23,550 --> 00:33:31,090
Started to sweat a bit and realized that, like, there was going to be an incident relatively soon if we didn't do something.

516
00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:40,450
So that poor person, it turns out, picked up some Taco Bell for breakfast on the way in that day.

517
00:33:40,610 --> 00:34:02,750
And on the way making it to the Fortress of Solitude, if you will, where they would have been safe to do their business, unfortunately didn't quite make it to the room where you do that first and had a little bit of an accident all the way down the hallway leading up to the bathroom.

518
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:02,990
Wow .

519
00:34:03,070 --> 00:34:10,310
Was so disheveled in there and the clothes were so ruined that they couldn't leave the bathroom.

520
00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:22,970
And what ended up happening is that he had to call out for help so that somebody could hear him in the bathroom, which ended up, long story short, because this could go on for hours.

521
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:24,890
You could actually find it on Reddit.

522
00:34:26,010 --> 00:34:37,510
You called out, wound up, long story short, our CTO had to go and go to the Gap and buy him new pants so that he could come out of the bathroom.

523
00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:44,710
He came out of the bathroom and out of sheer nicety, they said, do you want to finish the interview?

524
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:48,070
And he's like, no, I'm pretty sure I'm not getting this job.

525
00:34:48,830 --> 00:34:51,470
Or would ever take it if you got it.

526
00:34:51,730 --> 00:34:54,870
Even if you get offered, are you going to take it?

527
00:34:55,670 --> 00:34:57,690
Yeah, but you can find it on Reddit.

528
00:34:57,690 --> 00:35:02,250
It was an amazing story.

529
00:35:03,110 --> 00:35:03,730
Okay.

530
00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:07,390
Does anyone want to top that or at least equal that?

531
00:35:08,370 --> 00:35:10,130
No, but there's one I want to share.

532
00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:13,930
I want to share one that we had and it's in the same guys.

533
00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:16,910
It was not because they missed the interview.

534
00:35:18,430 --> 00:35:30,010
They didn't even get... where I used to work, we used to do a recruiter, just a pre-interview discussion, you know, 20 minutes just to get them prepped, get them ready for who they're going to meet.

535
00:35:30,590 --> 00:35:34,310
And this didn't happen to me, it happened to a coworker.

536
00:35:35,110 --> 00:35:36,650
Again, college recruiting.

537
00:35:36,650 --> 00:35:44,690
So young folks, please, please know what you're doing and how to accept bad news.

538
00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:57,430
Um, she showed up with, yeah, this was kind of early 2000s, but it looked like she came right out of like a grunge band concert, right?

539
00:35:57,430 --> 00:36:06,170
Just the red flannel shirt tied up around, you know, and it's like, all right, that's, we'll talk to you a little bit.

540
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:12,390
But we did, she ended up, we ended up not letting her go any further, right?

541
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:14,670
We were like, look, you're not ready for this.

542
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:20,450
I think you've, you need to learn a little bit about interviewing and being ready for interviews.

543
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:24,350
This is not the job at, you know, Walmart or whatever.

544
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:27,190
She said, okay, well, I appreciate that.

545
00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:30,710
Can I drop off some flyers for my band?

546
00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:32,750
We're playing up the street in a couple of weeks.

547
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:40,250
I'm like, and she left the whole stack of flyers with us for her band.

548
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:43,330
Like, it's the weirdest thing we ever saw.

549
00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:46,530
It's not, it's not poop down the hall.

550
00:36:46,530 --> 00:36:49,910
Sorry, Pete, but... I don't have crap either, but I do have blood.

551
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:52,730
I mean, I had, I have blood.

552
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:53,330
Does that count?

553
00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:54,910
Okay, good.

554
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:57,330
You gotta share that, Rachel.

555
00:36:57,470 --> 00:37:11,750
She beat her ex-husband with a golf club because found him with another woman, ended up in jail and called from jail her one phone call to let me know she was going to be late, but she would be bailed out.

556
00:37:12,610 --> 00:37:13,570
Wow.

557
00:37:13,950 --> 00:37:19,790
So the moral of the stories here is that if you go to jail, you clearly want the job.

558
00:37:19,930 --> 00:37:20,530
Absolutely.

559
00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:24,870
And you make sure you have your recruiter's number as your only phone call.

560
00:37:25,070 --> 00:37:26,070
Just saying.

561
00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:26,690
Yeah.

562
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:30,210
That is the number one, like, moral of that story.

563
00:37:30,210 --> 00:37:32,370
And she didn't, she didn't get the job.

564
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:35,050
Oh, come on!

565
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:36,530
Wasted phone call.

566
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:41,910
You know, in my head, I'm like, oh, please, Lord, don't make her get out of jail.

567
00:37:42,590 --> 00:37:43,430
She forgot.

568
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:44,830
She only had one phone call.

569
00:37:44,830 --> 00:37:46,950
She was supposed to be calling to get her bail.

570
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:47,730
Thank you.

571
00:37:47,730 --> 00:37:49,010
And then she was stuck.

572
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:49,970
Thank you.

573
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:52,230
It was, it was a precious moment.

574
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:57,190
Needless to say, this is another candidate that I followed in the news and continued to beat her husband.

575
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:59,010
So great story.

576
00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:03,630
Welcome to Louisiana.

577
00:38:06,410 --> 00:38:08,270
Got to have a passport.

578
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:15,120
I knew Rachel would be a great addition to this team.

579
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:15,860
Yes.

580
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:27,860
So, okay, I'm going to move on to our next question, which is what is the worst interview faux pas you have ever seen?

581
00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:32,740
Rachel, I'm going to kick it off with you so that you set the standard for everyone else.

582
00:38:32,740 --> 00:38:37,920
Well, I am afraid I am going to set this bar low, but I'm going to try real hard.

583
00:38:38,180 --> 00:38:47,180
Probably the one that sticks out so much in my mind was an interview that I was participating in, and the gentleman was angry at life.

584
00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:49,460
He was angry that he woke up in the morning.

585
00:38:49,460 --> 00:38:51,980
He was angry that he drove his car to the interview.

586
00:38:51,980 --> 00:39:00,300
He was angry about everything to the point where he was coming across the table at us with anger about everything.

587
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:07,480
At the end of the interview, he wanted to talk a lot about how much the job was going to pay and everything else.

588
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:18,180
We were like, we were fearing for our lives at this moment because there was a threat against us if we didn't hire him, a threat against the company if we didn't hire him, and everything else.

589
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:25,100
But then he wanted to make sure that we were very clear on what his salary expectations were and when could he start.

590
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:35,900
So, that was probably the one that sticks out the most was just the sheer anger talking about the things he wanted to do to his former employer and how he was going to execute these things.

591
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:40,580
I mean, very vivid conversations about how that should have ended.

592
00:39:40,580 --> 00:39:50,620
So, we did have to call the police afterwards because there were very visible threats against his previous employer, and I didn't want to walk out to my car by myself that night.

593
00:39:50,620 --> 00:39:56,460
So, it was not a great time, and again, moral of the story, he didn't get the job.

594
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,440
So, Chris, any good ones to tell?

595
00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:12,600
A couple of times we've had managers actually interview people for the completely wrong job.

596
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:30,420
So, we get this feedback and it doesn't make any sense, and then we speak to them, and it has happened more than once, and then the managers are like, oh, I interviewed them for this job, I got them mixed up with this other candidate, so, I mean, dealing with that,

597
00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:32,840
the fallout of that, is absolutely no fun.

598
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,080
I mean, it must be the worst.

599
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:42,320
Can you imagine, you're getting asked all these questions, and it's not even for your job, you can't answer any of them, you're an expert in your field, and you're like, why are they even asking me this?

600
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:48,360
So, that's probably the biggest faux pas, and it hasn't happened just once, unfortunately.

601
00:40:49,220 --> 00:40:53,280
Yeah, that's probably the most awkward one to deal with.

602
00:40:54,740 --> 00:40:55,700
Pete?

603
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:16,920
I think the weirdest thing I've seen happen in an interview that I sort of shook my head at is, I was interviewing somebody, this is an experienced person, I mean, a good solid 15, 20 years of experience, and he, I mean, I had noticed that he didn't have any socks on with his suit,

604
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:35,560
which is fine, man, like, Don Johnson did it, you do your thing, but it, he took his shoes off in the middle of the interview, and like, put his, you know, leg up, you know, crossed his legs, and I mean, I might have been okay with it if you'd had like a mani pedi that day,

605
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:53,600
but that was not the case, and it was not pleasant, and I actually had to stop things, I'm all for your comfort, and your, you know, how you want to live, but you got to put shoes back on, because we were in a, you know, nine by nine room, and it was,

606
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,860
it was getting a little raunchy in there.

607
00:41:57,140 --> 00:42:01,800
I'm just going to say, I was in the same boat, but the person was picking their toenails.

608
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,980
Yes, I had one of those.

609
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,440
That was going to be one of my stories, I was going to ask, I was going to ask if they picked their toenails while they did it.

610
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,320
Yeah, go for it, Matt.

611
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:26,580
No, I won't go there, because he told the story, just changed the, crossed their legs to, to pick their toenails the whole time, but so I'll, I'll, I'll do another one, and this is on a hiring manager side.

612
00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:43,480
You know, I love it when hiring managers are real quick on, on getting that feedback back to us, and, and, and when you got a hiring manager who knows how to use the applicant tracking system, and, and knows what the buttons are, and what they do.

613
00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:47,400
I, I love that, all right, just, just for all you hiring managers out there.

614
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,580
I really appreciate when you, when you know how to use the system.

615
00:42:51,180 --> 00:43:13,880
I just wish that you would wait more than 15 minutes after the interview, and maybe even after the person's driven away from the building to reject them, and to know that you can actually send the rejection yourself, because we had that happen, and the person got the rejection letter.

616
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,940
It was just a stupid, templated rejection letter, right?

617
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:19,880
I'm like, why would you do that?

618
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:30,780
The person came back, because he hadn't even left the parking lot yet, hadn't left the parking lot yet, and came back upstairs and asked to talk to me.

619
00:43:30,780 --> 00:43:45,520
I'm like, um, yeah, it's like, uh, I just got this email from, from, you know, your system, and it says I was rejected, but it was just, I had to sit there, and I hadn't even had a chance to debrief with the person yet.

620
00:43:45,520 --> 00:44:01,660
I didn't even know what, I thought the guy came back, because he was, you know, he forgot something, or, or, you know, whatever it was, and yeah, he wanted to know right then and there why he was rejected, and I had to actually go find the manager, and find out what the reasons were,

621
00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:11,620
and they weren't really good reasons either, so I had to kind of figure out what it was that I could say to this person, and it really put me in a bad spot that day.

622
00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:14,460
Nothing like tap dancing for somebody else's mistake.

623
00:44:14,740 --> 00:44:15,860
Yep.

624
00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:22,120
So we, we've talked a lot about what candidates have done wrong.

625
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:28,660
We've talked a little bit about sort of our, you know, processes that might not go well.

626
00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:45,140
Just wanted to go around the room and sort of talk about, you know, the other, as Matt was kicking off there, that the hiring managers, who are the people that sort of do the final interviewing, what are some of the mistakes that you have seen them make?

627
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,060
Matt had a really good one.

628
00:44:48,620 --> 00:44:52,660
Rachel, Chris, Pete, who wants to kick off next?

629
00:44:57,460 --> 00:45:00,160
You guys, you internal guys must have some good ones.

630
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,160
I mean, there's really good stuff to choose from.

631
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:12,760
Yeah, mine interviewing, yeah, I think just interviewing the people for the wrong jobs is always like, that's always the worst, and the worst one I've had to deal with.

632
00:45:13,220 --> 00:45:15,860
Yeah, you got, you internal guys must have some good ones, surely.

633
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:36,300
I definitely had a, yeah, I worked for, well, I work for a company, if I give too much details, but it's not my current company, but I worked for a company where I had a candidate, fairly senior level candidate, call me after the interview, like two hours after it was over,

634
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:38,680
and I said, okay, well, I don't have the feedback.

635
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,160
And he's like, I don't care about the feedback.

636
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,000
He's like, I just have to ask you a question.

637
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:49,040
So, okay, he's like, is it possible that, insert hiring manager's name here, was drunk during my interview?

638
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:59,380
I said, I'm not sure how you mean, like, I, my mentality went, I'm not sure how you mean, it was 10 o'clock AM interview, like, what do you mean?

639
00:45:59,380 --> 00:46:05,460
He's like, no, no, no, I come from a long line of alcoholics, and I'm pretty sure I know what somebody who's been drinking looks like.

640
00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:10,600
And I'm like, I said, well, yeah, me too, but like, it's 10 AM.

641
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:27,660
And he said, no, about four weeks later, we did let that hiring manager go, because apparently for weeks on end was showing up to work drunk, and just masquerading through the day on that.

642
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:31,220
So note to self, like, don't interview people when you're drunk.

643
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,460
We did not.

644
00:46:33,460 --> 00:46:37,660
Like, we won't be interviewing anybody right now, is what you're saying?

645
00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:38,940
Yeah, hopefully not.

646
00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:40,300
No interviewing.

647
00:46:41,740 --> 00:46:43,220
Got it.

648
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,940
So Rachel, any good hiring manager?

649
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:56,160
You know, I love the ones that really want to pull back the layers and better understand the candidate by asking questions about, so when are you due?

650
00:46:56,300 --> 00:47:00,520
And the person's not pregnant, that was a super fun one.

651
00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:09,660
Or, you know, tell me more about why you can't work because of your children, or all of the things that were like, you said what?

652
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,480
You know, those are the ones that stick out the most in my mind.

653
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:24,180
And even sitting in with hiring managers on interviews, I'm always taken back at the liberties, sometimes of just, well, I just, you know, I have it in my gut.

654
00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:28,000
And I'm like, no, it's actually written down, you just need to read it.

655
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,040
That's what we need your gut to be.

656
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:36,780
And so I think that's the piece that's always the most interesting for me is the gut questions that come out.

657
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:44,880
That completely puts you in a litigious spot in the spot where you're like, we're just not making good decisions right now, friends.

658
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,680
And so I think those are the ones that stick out the most.

659
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:55,600
But the one that was clearly not pregnant, and asked when she was due, I had to deescalate that one.

660
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,020
And that was not fun.

661
00:47:57,020 --> 00:48:01,420
So don't ever ask, even if you think don't, don't ask.

662
00:48:02,060 --> 00:48:09,400
It's sound advice to make sure hiring managers know, like, don't type anything out that you don't want to repeat in court.

663
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,120
Thank you.

664
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,000
But it does not stop at the hiring manager.

665
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:26,540
That's your entire interview team, because some of those people are staff level, you know, software engineer, whatever level you are, because we... I say we, but this is before tenable.

666
00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:33,280
Somebody was was diagnosing somebody, like mentally in their feedback evaluation form.

667
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,840
And it was in the record.

668
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,880
In writing.

669
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:38,760
Yeah.

670
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:43,460
What were you doing during that session?

671
00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:43,540
Help me understand .

672
00:48:43,540 --> 00:48:45,120
That's the question that always comes up.

673
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,300
Help me understand what you were thinking when you wrote this down.

674
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:51,680
But can they code?

675
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:54,460
Right?

676
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:57,260
It's like crazy all day.

677
00:48:57,260 --> 00:48:58,600
Just gotta code.

678
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:00,060
So guys...

679
00:49:00,060 --> 00:49:01,340
Bless their hearts.

680
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,340
Bless their souls.

681
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,100
Bless their heart.

682
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:09,840
I actually have the Garden and Gun, Bless Your Heart trivia.

683
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,140
So Rachel, we might have to play that.

684
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:14,540
Yeah, we're both drinking red wine.

685
00:49:14,540 --> 00:49:16,260
We're good kindred spirits here.

686
00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:17,840
We're good there.

687
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,120
So...

688
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:23,240
Guys, ladies, lady, we're done.

689
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:25,720
You know, we've gotten to the end.

690
00:49:25,740 --> 00:49:30,240
So I'm going to say I'm going to go around Robin.

691
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,460
I'm going to have the lady go last.

692
00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:41,700
But I want each one of you to give a top tip to the job seekers in the community on what they need to do in their job search.

693
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:43,680
So Chris, you're first.

694
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,020
Be honest.

695
00:49:46,580 --> 00:49:47,840
Stand by the line.

696
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:48,740
That's it.

697
00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:49,840
Matt?

698
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,860
Just be honest.

699
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:54,520
Know what you're applying to.

700
00:49:54,620 --> 00:50:00,140
You know, there's a lot of CR applicants out there that apply to every single job that a particular company wants.

701
00:50:00,140 --> 00:50:02,860
I understand you want a job and you need a job.

702
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,420
Or you're trying to find something so you're not the last person in a sinking ship.

703
00:50:09,020 --> 00:50:13,660
But apply to something that you know you can do most of the job with.

704
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,460
You have most of the skills to do the job.

705
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,800
And just be interested in it.

706
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,000
Pete?

707
00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:28,460
Just have somebody... get a second set of eyeballs on your resume.

708
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,720
None of us are published writers to my knowledge.

709
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:40,020
So get a second, you know, set of eyes on your resume just to get it looked at to make sure everything looks the way that it should.

710
00:50:40,020 --> 00:50:45,220
It's hard to write a document like that and stare at it after a while it all starts to look the same.

711
00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:48,620
So, yeah, just, you know, once over I think is helpful.

712
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,000
And Rachel?

713
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:52,660
It's simple.

714
00:50:52,660 --> 00:50:55,600
We're going to spend a little bit of time looking at each resume.

715
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:01,680
When you put your pictures and there's colors and there's too many cutesy-tootsies on there, we get lost.

716
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,000
So just keep it simple.

717
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:10,500
Tell us what you can do and what we're applying for and or what you're applying for and everyone's life is much simpler.

718
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:24,180
Well, I want to thank all of my friends, Pete, Rachel, Matt, and Chris for coming together on a Friday night to have a few drinks and share that recruiters are humans too.

719
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,580
They want to be your best friends, want to be your advocates.

720
00:51:27,580 --> 00:51:38,180
So take the time, reach out to a recruiter, make sure you have recruiters in your network because they are the people that are going to advocate for you to find the next best job.

721
00:51:38,180 --> 00:51:46,140
And remember that we have recruiters in resume review, and we have people who are in career coaching that can help you.

722
00:51:46,140 --> 00:51:50,660
So thank you everyone for coming to Career Hacking Village and have a great evening.

723
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:52,020
Cheers.

724
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,120
Thank you.