WEBVTT 00:05.250 --> 00:09.510 So welcome back to the Career Hacking Village. 00:09.510 --> 00:22.730 One thing that's always interesting in our community is that we tend to think that recruiters are evil and they're not human and they don't know what they're talking about. 00:22.730 --> 00:38.630 So I decided to bring a few of my friends together for some drinks and we're going to talk about finding jobs in this community and also just sort of what is the human side of a recruiter. 00:38.630 --> 00:40.630 So I'm going to start off. 00:40.630 --> 00:47.210 You guys can't see the gallery screen because I'm just going to keep the speaker view but pass it on over to everyone. 00:47.210 --> 00:55.370 I'm going to have my friend Pete with his Iron Maiden shirt on to tell me about what he recruits for and what he's drinking. 00:56.170 --> 00:57.070 Yeah, thanks. 00:57.070 --> 00:58.050 So I'm Pete. 00:58.050 --> 01:01.190 I am a senior recruiter at AWS. 01:01.830 --> 01:15.350 Most of what I focus on there is primarily high-level architecture for distributed systems, software as a service, anything that has to do with the cloud that's not the kind of pure infrastructure side of the house. 01:15.510 --> 01:28.410 And I am drinking, as always, at about this time on Fridays, a Manhattan with an extra splash of cherry juice, which is sort of my signature exclamation point on my drink. 01:29.290 --> 01:30.390 Sounds great. 01:30.390 --> 01:37.470 And I'm going to invite our Southern Belle, Rachel Bozeman, to share with us what she's doing and what she's drinking. 01:37.530 --> 01:38.430 Absolutely. 01:38.430 --> 01:41.770 So I get to help manage our talent acquisition program. 01:41.770 --> 01:43.470 So we support at CenturyLink. 01:43.470 --> 01:48.070 We're hiring everything from finance into the nitty-gritty. 01:48.070 --> 01:50.710 You name it, we're probably hiring for it. 01:50.710 --> 01:53.190 So I am drinking a red wine. 01:53.330 --> 01:55.950 One, because they say it's good for your heart. 01:55.950 --> 02:00.970 And two, because I'm normally a redhead, and I just feel like it's a good vibe. 02:00.970 --> 02:02.450 So cheers. 02:03.870 --> 02:11.170 And next we have Matt Duran, who has been my B-Sides buddy for seven, eight years now. 02:11.170 --> 02:14.530 He was the only person I knew at a B-Sides. 02:14.830 --> 02:21.090 It took me under his wing and made sure that no one accosted me at my first B-Sides Las Vegas. 02:22.650 --> 02:26.750 We've been the bane of each other's existence and good friends ever since. 02:26.750 --> 02:30.610 So Matt, what do you recruit for and what are you drinking? 02:30.830 --> 02:38.750 Well, not only that, I just wanted to make sure you didn't get kicked out because they thought you were going to arrest them because you were a cop. 02:38.750 --> 02:40.250 You look like an undercover cop. 02:41.210 --> 02:44.250 One of these things just doesn't belong, right? 02:44.250 --> 02:45.070 No, I'm kidding. 02:45.070 --> 02:48.170 Everything belongs at B-Sides and in this community. 02:48.170 --> 02:51.090 So thanks for having me. 02:51.090 --> 02:52.150 My name is Matt Duran. 02:52.150 --> 02:55.210 I'm a Senior Manager of Talent Acquisition at Tenable. 02:55.430 --> 03:00.010 And I also handle a lot of our employment branding and recruitment marketing type stuff too. 03:00.310 --> 03:11.790 But things that I recruit on or my team recruits for is everything from our platform software engineers, so cloud-based stuff, but also on-prem, building on-prem devices. 03:11.790 --> 03:17.030 If you've ever heard of Nessus, we build that security center and things like that. 03:17.190 --> 03:29.770 Also our researchers, our zero-day stuff, our plug-in writers, things of that nature, back office IT, even our technical support team as well, just to name a few things. 03:30.070 --> 03:35.630 And I am drinking out of my Star Wars glass there. 03:35.630 --> 03:36.830 It's a little Death Star. 03:36.830 --> 03:40.850 I'm drinking an old Forrester 1910. 03:40.850 --> 03:42.030 It's a very good one. 03:42.030 --> 03:54.610 Why I chose that one is it's affordable and it's not an everyday drinker, but it tastes good, neat, and that's how I take my whiskey. 03:54.610 --> 03:56.830 So that's me. 03:57.210 --> 04:04.250 And that's one thing that I have yet to do is learn how to drink whiskey, even though everyone around me drinks whiskey. 04:04.510 --> 04:17.490 So when I was at that first B-Sides Las Vegas, first Hacker Summer Camp about seven, eight years ago, ten years ago, someone said earlier today that was ten years ago, and I know that wasn't the case. 04:17.650 --> 04:26.830 I met this guy with this really cool accent and I invited him to come and be on a panel along with Matt. 04:26.830 --> 04:32.050 So Chris Rides, thank you for being on the journey with me throughout all of the B-Sides. 04:32.050 --> 04:34.690 What are you recruiting for and what are you drinking? 04:34.970 --> 04:36.290 Thanks Kathleen. 04:37.030 --> 04:42.910 So I've got a cyber security staff in a professional services company, Tyro Security. 04:43.290 --> 04:45.790 So we staff just cyber security. 04:45.790 --> 04:49.610 So I've got a team of people and they focus only in that area. 04:50.070 --> 04:53.270 In terms of what I'm drinking, you guys were talking about whiskey. 04:53.270 --> 05:00.490 I was this close to grabbing, I like Woodford Reserve is my go-to bourbon and I was this close to going for a nice Woodford. 05:00.890 --> 05:09.130 But then it was so sunny out here and I thought I'd do this on my balcony that I went down to the farmer's market this morning and got this amazing blood orange juice. 05:09.130 --> 05:10.850 Goes great with some vodka. 05:13.050 --> 05:14.770 That sounds fancy. 05:14.950 --> 05:17.430 Goes with that whole decor in the background there, man. 05:17.430 --> 05:18.790 It does, doesn't it, right? 05:18.790 --> 05:21.990 You're in a cabana somewhere in Hawaii, don't lie to us. 05:21.990 --> 05:23.590 I wish, I really wish. 05:23.590 --> 05:27.190 You need an umbrella in there to really just set it off. 05:27.390 --> 05:29.330 Yeah, and a cherry on top or something. 05:29.330 --> 05:36.930 Yeah , well, he's trying to still sort of do the bachelor thing, even though he's a new dad. 05:36.930 --> 05:40.350 So I'm going to give him grief about trying to do all that. 05:40.510 --> 05:43.770 And me, I'm drinking my red wine. 05:53.090 --> 06:02.830 I'm drinking it out of my crystal glasses from a little crystal blower up in Halifax, Nova Scotia. 06:02.830 --> 06:04.150 I have a family run. 06:04.270 --> 06:08.770 They went out of business and then a woman came along and said, this needs to be saved. 06:08.770 --> 06:12.430 So I am very proud to drink from her glasses. 06:12.590 --> 06:15.530 Anyways, so we're all drinking. 06:15.530 --> 06:16.430 We're all having a good time. 06:16.430 --> 06:17.510 We're all human beings. 06:17.570 --> 06:20.790 I'm going to throw a question out that no one's been prepared for. 06:20.790 --> 06:27.450 So Matt, how has recruiting changed since the pandemic came around? 06:28.410 --> 06:29.190 Wow. 06:29.390 --> 06:33.470 So I think there's a few things. 06:33.470 --> 06:37.330 One, I think the pool got a little bit bigger, right? 06:37.330 --> 06:44.610 I mean, the Canada pool and the ability to reach out to somebody and have them respond to that fairly quickly. 06:44.830 --> 06:55.030 But I think a lot of the companies out there that, you know, like a LinkedIn or something, they've allowed you to put that open to work on your profile. 06:55.030 --> 06:57.750 So it's not as hidden as it once was. 06:57.750 --> 07:03.730 It's plain as day right there on the screen and allows folks to know who's really looking. 07:04.090 --> 07:18.410 And a second thing, and hopefully I'm not taking somebody else's answer, is I think the understanding of why somebody was let go and no longer working, it's kind of hard to argue these days. 07:18.410 --> 07:21.090 In the past, it's always been a bit of a red mark on somebody. 07:21.230 --> 07:26.690 You were laid off, so you had to have been on the lower echelon of the team. 07:26.690 --> 07:29.290 I think that's kind of been myth-busting. 07:30.290 --> 07:38.630 So Rachel, for a big firm like CenturyLink, you know, obviously you were always ramping up for projects and stuff. 07:38.750 --> 07:40.290 What's going on now for you? 07:40.290 --> 07:43.290 Are you slowing down or ramping up? 07:43.290 --> 07:45.930 A little bit of both in there. 07:45.930 --> 07:47.490 And I would agree with what Matt shared. 07:47.490 --> 07:54.610 I mean, the pools have gotten bigger, but I've definitely had to seek some guidance and some help. 07:54.610 --> 07:56.770 My feelings have been a little hurt as of late. 07:56.770 --> 08:00.930 So while the pools are bigger, we're getting ghosted a lot as well. 08:00.930 --> 08:05.790 So we've seen an uptick of folks that are applying with really no intent to follow through. 08:06.010 --> 08:09.970 So we've been trying to make a lot of friends that really don't want to be friends. 08:09.970 --> 08:20.530 So it's added that complexity of just trying to really find the ones that are genuinely looking for work and not just applying just because it's the Vogue thing to do. 08:20.610 --> 08:30.970 So... And Pete, you've got, you know, a lot of ramping up going on with AWS and Amazon and... Everybody needs the cloud. 08:31.050 --> 08:32.590 Everyone needs the cloud. 08:32.590 --> 08:41.550 So, you know, how have you changed your strategies and what are you seeing different in the field right now? 08:41.550 --> 08:41.790 Yeah. 08:41.790 --> 08:45.650 So my search strategy has completely changed. 08:45.650 --> 08:49.450 There are no more city parameters on my searches. 08:49.450 --> 08:55.910 It's wherever I can find a good engineer at that level, I'm going to continue to do that. 08:55.910 --> 09:04.530 But I think that the most market thing I've seen is, and I've been banging the drum for 10 years on this, that it's an engineering gig. 09:04.530 --> 09:06.370 Have code, we'll travel. 09:06.370 --> 09:11.410 You do not need to sit next to 10 people in an office to write fantastic code. 09:11.690 --> 09:21.390 And it's taken a global pandemic for people to go, oh my gosh, this code's still good, even though this person wrote it in their basement wearing their pajamas. 09:22.170 --> 09:28.070 We have finally started to come around to the fact this is going to be a tipping point, I think, of companies saying, you know what? 09:28.150 --> 09:30.070 We actually can have remote workers. 09:30.790 --> 09:38.550 Maybe you can be a little more competitive on pay when you're not spending it on buildings to house all these people. 09:41.150 --> 09:43.850 So Chris, what's going on for you? 09:43.850 --> 09:44.990 So you're a little different. 09:45.070 --> 09:50.290 You're helping companies, you're supporting as a service. 09:50.410 --> 09:53.410 What's going on in the staffing firms these days? 09:53.530 --> 09:55.050 Yeah, it's been interesting. 09:55.050 --> 10:07.750 I think initially there was, specifically within cybersecurity, an assumption with some companies that the pool was going to get much bigger and that the skills gap was almost going to be bridged. 10:07.750 --> 10:23.210 And I think what they've realized is the areas and the industries that were really affected, like the airlines, the cruise lines, people that did make big layoffs and had to lay off their cybersecurity people, they got snapped up really quickly and they were in huge demand, 10:23.210 --> 10:24.530 multiple offers. 10:24.710 --> 10:28.730 And so we've actually built a lot more new clients. 10:28.730 --> 10:33.410 We've had a lot of new clients come to us asking us to help them fill their positions. 10:33.910 --> 10:43.130 The thing we're seeing is some companies are really struggling with... it's taking them time to get their interview process down remotely. 10:43.130 --> 10:50.170 It's taking them time worrying about how are we going to... all of a sudden we're going to have to onboard some of these people and how are we going to onboard them? 10:50.170 --> 10:54.790 And so it's almost like slowing down a lot of the parts of the process. 10:55.290 --> 10:57.470 So it's been an interesting change. 10:57.470 --> 11:10.110 The demand is still there and candidates are... I think Rachel talks about ghosting, that the candidates are in this strange situation where they might see a few people leave and they start getting worried. 11:10.110 --> 11:17.670 So they start talking and then they don't want to... they're worried about moving and being the last person in, you know, and the first person out if something changes. 11:17.670 --> 11:19.730 So it's a bit of an unknown. 11:19.730 --> 11:22.630 It's still a strange situation at the moment. 11:24.390 --> 11:25.210 Great. 11:25.210 --> 11:38.310 So one of the things that we wanted to share is sort of the back-end irreverence, the worst case scenarios that, you know, a lot of us have seen when we've been talking to job seekers. 11:38.310 --> 11:42.470 And one of the panelists submitted this question. 11:42.650 --> 11:46.010 What is the worst email address you have ever seen? 11:46.010 --> 11:46.770 Chris? 11:47.150 --> 11:49.410 Oh boy, I can't believe you came to me first. 11:49.410 --> 11:54.310 I was trying to think... I was trying to think of a specific one. 11:55.050 --> 12:06.150 I've seen ones with political references in them and religious references in them, neither of which I think is particularly good when you're applying to jobs and using that email address. 12:06.150 --> 12:09.670 I don't think I've seen anything... I don't think I've got any funny email stories. 12:09.910 --> 12:13.570 Of all the stories I've got, I don't think I've got any funny email ones, to be honest. 12:13.570 --> 12:15.950 I don't think... I can't think of any in particular. 12:17.010 --> 12:20.770 Maybe talk to the others and I'll continue to think a little bit about that. 12:20.890 --> 12:25.990 So the one that I've seen a lot is my spam folder. 12:27.090 --> 12:28.570 I've seen those, yeah. 12:28.570 --> 12:30.310 I've seen that one. 12:30.310 --> 12:33.730 So Rachel, have you seen any funny... 12:35.130 --> 12:41.870 I do work in the South, so if we do one thing well, it's let's screw up email addresses. 12:42.230 --> 12:57.570 And so this particular one, and I remember it so clearly because I took pictures of it and sent it to everybody I knew, thinking who in the Hades would send this out, but it was Igetdown69 at gmail.com. 12:57.570 --> 13:03.250 Super classy, and they're free, so please create a free one. 13:03.250 --> 13:05.230 You know, Yahoo, Ymail, Gmail. 13:05.230 --> 13:11.690 I mean, go big, but don't... yeah, don't get down on your resume with an email. 13:11.690 --> 13:15.270 It still lives in infamy. 13:15.510 --> 13:17.870 I'm gonna borrow your story. 13:18.110 --> 13:19.850 Your story's not my story. 13:19.850 --> 13:21.570 Yeah, absolutely. 13:22.750 --> 13:30.550 But I get a lot of big mamas, hot mamas, sexy lady, you know, a lot of those where I'm like, again, they're free. 13:30.550 --> 13:33.490 You can just do firstname.lastname at Gmail. 13:33.490 --> 13:39.090 It's free, it's free all day, every day. 13:39.330 --> 13:47.910 And in that case, you don't have to be, you know, whatever that was, 69-1 or 69-2. 13:47.910 --> 13:51.750 So if I see it, I know you've attended and we'll talk. 13:52.170 --> 13:55.450 I get down 69.job search. 13:59.270 --> 14:02.690 You said it was okay to share that story, right? 14:02.690 --> 14:03.450 Yeah. 14:03.990 --> 14:08.090 That'll probably be the tamest story that conference sees. 14:08.090 --> 14:10.170 I didn't want to break the ice too bad. 14:12.530 --> 14:14.530 So Pete, you got one? 14:14.610 --> 14:15.490 Oh, yeah. 14:15.490 --> 14:25.170 I will never forget one of the last agency resumes I got when I was still on the agency side of the house was captainbrowneyeatyahoo.com. 14:26.430 --> 14:32.670 I will never, for as many days as I'm left on this planet, I will never forget that email address. 14:33.050 --> 14:38.130 I'm a little jealous that I can't steal it for my own personal use, but it was pretty great to see on a resume. 14:40.870 --> 14:44.230 So Chris, I'm going to say, I don't think you can pass these up. 14:44.230 --> 14:44.950 Can you? 14:45.030 --> 14:45.870 No chance. 14:45.870 --> 14:47.750 These are my stories. 14:47.910 --> 14:49.050 I'm taking these now. 14:49.050 --> 14:49.770 I'm sorry. 14:50.950 --> 14:55.210 You're going to become like, I'm going to be on one of these and they're going to say, have you got an email address? 14:55.210 --> 14:57.310 And I'll say, actually somebody I know. 14:57.390 --> 14:58.710 And that'll be you guys. 14:59.450 --> 15:00.050 Yep. 15:00.050 --> 15:01.030 Let me write that down. 15:02.990 --> 15:04.930 Captainbrowneyeatyahoo.com. 15:05.190 --> 15:10.410 It may have been an excite.com domain, so it's probably available again. 15:11.150 --> 15:12.170 Juno. 15:12.590 --> 15:13.590 Juno. 15:14.410 --> 15:15.510 Myspace. 15:15.510 --> 15:17.010 Maybe that's still around. 15:17.010 --> 15:18.010 I don't know. 15:18.010 --> 15:26.370 So another great question that we had was, what is the weirdest LinkedIn request for connections that you've ever got? 15:26.370 --> 15:27.610 So Pete. 15:30.130 --> 15:32.030 That's a good question. 15:33.070 --> 15:45.810 I don't know that the message itself was weird, but I was a little taken aback to get a message where the profile picture was like on a beach in a bikini. 15:46.090 --> 15:52.630 It wasn't a complaint, but it just was a little shocking that that was the LinkedIn. 15:52.630 --> 15:53.790 I expect that on Twitter. 15:53.790 --> 15:55.030 I expect it on Instagram. 15:55.030 --> 16:00.210 I expect it on Facebook or whatever, but LinkedIn was a little bit of a unique place to get it. 16:00.210 --> 16:07.150 I mean, it turned out to be an extraordinarily qualified candidate who just really chose poorly for their picture. 16:10.030 --> 16:12.750 Chris, do you have any interesting ones? 16:14.410 --> 16:17.890 This literally happened a month and a half ago. 16:18.350 --> 16:25.210 I actually had somebody try to connect with me, and when I looked at their profile, they were working for my company. 16:25.210 --> 16:27.170 My company is pretty small. 16:27.270 --> 16:33.810 So they'd set up a fake profile and were working for Tyro Security. 16:33.810 --> 16:37.930 And so I sent them a message saying, congratulations on getting a job. 16:38.190 --> 16:42.270 I hadn't even realized that normally I'm involved in that process. 16:42.550 --> 16:45.570 And the person actually replied back. 16:45.570 --> 16:52.610 They replied back saying like laughing and basically just telling me that worth a try or something like that. 16:52.610 --> 16:54.530 And then I bet you can't guess who I am. 16:54.530 --> 17:01.390 So then now I'm thinking it's one of my friends or somebody sort of having a joke, but that was probably the weirdest one. 17:02.330 --> 17:04.330 They changed their profile. 17:04.330 --> 17:11.590 I tried to report them and I reported them and they just changed their profile to say that they were working for Amazon after that. 17:12.790 --> 17:16.750 I guess it's easier to hide at least, right? 17:16.750 --> 17:19.270 When you've got that many employees. 17:20.190 --> 17:21.170 Yeah. 17:21.170 --> 17:23.090 The fake employees is great. 17:23.090 --> 17:27.410 We have three janitors in India. 17:27.410 --> 17:29.530 So that's always interesting. 17:29.530 --> 17:38.510 And I think we've got a window washer in the Ukraine and we've filed the complaints for a long time, but hey. 17:38.510 --> 17:38.730 Wow. 17:38.730 --> 17:41.010 You have the cleanest offices ever. 17:41.010 --> 17:41.470 Yeah . 17:41.470 --> 17:44.090 Especially since we've been remote for 20 years. 17:44.090 --> 17:45.710 That's very interesting. 17:45.710 --> 17:48.750 They obviously haven't done their OSINT enough. 17:48.810 --> 17:52.870 With that kind of staff though, you could be cleanjobs.net. 17:53.130 --> 17:56.050 Oh, I see what you did there. 17:58.490 --> 18:00.470 7.30 is different from the 9.30. 18:00.470 --> 18:02.070 Try the veal tippy waitress. 18:04.150 --> 18:08.550 So Matt, what is the weirdest one you've gotten? 18:09.330 --> 18:10.930 Can I change the question a little bit? 18:10.930 --> 18:12.470 And the weirdest one I've sent? 18:13.050 --> 18:14.450 Oh, sure. 18:14.990 --> 18:17.050 I sent one to myself one time. 18:18.570 --> 18:23.010 I'm not sure if I feel sad for you or if I want to know about the story. 18:23.010 --> 18:28.190 I found my picture on a profile. 18:29.050 --> 18:31.630 And so I sent through. 18:31.630 --> 18:32.630 It wasn't my name. 18:32.630 --> 18:35.090 It was just my picture, which I thought was weird. 18:35.910 --> 18:37.730 It's an impressive beard though. 18:37.730 --> 18:38.210 I mean, let's be honest. 18:38.210 --> 18:40.330 It was before that. 18:40.330 --> 18:44.330 This was like six months ago. 18:44.330 --> 18:45.090 No, I'm kidding. 18:45.550 --> 18:50.070 No, this was a long time ago. 18:50.090 --> 18:53.190 And I wasn't even working at Tenenbaum at the time. 18:53.190 --> 19:00.590 And I found my own picture on a profile and I just sent a connection request to it. 19:00.710 --> 19:03.350 I said, you're a good looking guy. 19:06.330 --> 19:07.150 Brilliant. 19:07.150 --> 19:10.530 I don't think they ever responded, but I just thought it was funny. 19:10.570 --> 19:15.510 It'd be great if you could send that request now with your beard to you without your beard. 19:15.710 --> 19:16.670 Yes. 19:17.070 --> 19:19.810 There's like a weird Back to the Future reference there somewhere. 19:22.730 --> 19:28.130 Well, considering that, that I've known you since your beard was this long. 19:29.250 --> 19:32.770 That was back when you worked with the, what was it? 19:32.770 --> 19:34.670 That little crocodile thing? 19:34.670 --> 19:35.910 It was the gecko. 19:35.910 --> 19:38.490 That was when my hair was this long. 19:38.490 --> 19:39.410 It didn't happen here. 19:39.410 --> 19:40.490 It was this long here. 19:40.490 --> 19:42.650 And I hadn't had the beard yet. 19:42.650 --> 19:43.290 Yep. 19:43.290 --> 19:44.010 Yep. 19:44.170 --> 19:44.410 Yep. 19:44.410 --> 19:45.990 You had that. 19:45.990 --> 19:46.670 Anyway. 19:46.750 --> 19:48.590 So Rachel, this was your question. 19:48.590 --> 19:51.590 What was the weirdest LinkedIn request you got? 19:51.590 --> 19:53.870 So it started out, we'll take you through the journey. 19:53.870 --> 20:00.090 It started out genuine request about a job turned into, can I meet you at the bar at 7pm? 20:00.510 --> 20:04.890 And it just, it got creepy real quick, real fast. 20:05.450 --> 20:07.270 Needless to say, didn't get a job. 20:07.270 --> 20:08.470 Didn't get a date. 20:08.790 --> 20:10.530 That never happens to me. 20:11.170 --> 20:12.030 No? 20:12.110 --> 20:12.990 Nope. 20:13.490 --> 20:14.730 I know it's shocking. 20:15.490 --> 20:17.290 Use Matt's profile picture. 20:17.290 --> 20:19.370 I think it's working out for everybody. 20:19.450 --> 20:19.890 Clearly . 20:20.750 --> 20:26.250 I thought I'd got lucky when I got a, I got a request from, it looked like it was Baby Spice. 20:26.250 --> 20:27.390 I was like, no way. 20:27.390 --> 20:29.850 She looked just like she did when she was there. 20:29.950 --> 20:33.590 And it turned out it was, and this, Pete, you're going to find this amusing. 20:33.590 --> 20:38.670 I put a post on LinkedIn about it because it was Baby Spice's picture. 20:39.010 --> 20:42.830 It was a male name and they were working at Amazon. 20:42.830 --> 20:45.970 Sorry, no, they were working at Microsoft on AWS. 20:48.110 --> 20:48.730 Amazing. 20:48.730 --> 20:52.930 Which is really, I mean, it's a good gig if you can get it. 20:53.030 --> 20:53.770 Yep. 20:58.090 --> 21:03.330 That's probably a little harder to explain than like developing in Java and .NET at the same time. 21:03.590 --> 21:07.530 I imagine mixing clouds is, I don't know. 21:07.790 --> 21:08.130 Yeah. 21:08.130 --> 21:08.990 I can't imagine. 21:08.990 --> 21:16.370 I mean, I'm sure that they're probably messing around with AWS as much as they can, but I don't think officially they've got a department, but you know, maybe they do. 21:18.330 --> 21:28.950 Well, the weirdest, the weirdest requests I get, and it's just, it's just really sad, but people drop their entire resume in a LinkedIn request to me. 21:28.950 --> 21:33.330 And I'm seeing some head noddings, you know, like here, here's my resume. 21:34.090 --> 21:37.650 I'm like, sorry, not the best approach. 21:37.650 --> 21:42.550 You definitely need to look at someone's profile and find out what they are. 21:42.550 --> 21:47.850 99.9% of the community thinks that I'm a recruiter. 21:47.970 --> 21:49.370 I'm not. 21:49.570 --> 21:57.050 I will tell you how bad your resume is, but please don't drop your resume in, you know, in there. 21:57.050 --> 22:07.550 So I really like this question that, again, Rachel put together, because I didn't think people gave gifts after an interview. 22:07.550 --> 22:11.070 So it must be something in the South. 22:11.210 --> 22:13.710 So Rachel, tell us about your weird gifts. 22:13.710 --> 22:14.970 Southern hospitality. 22:15.110 --> 22:16.770 Come on, friends. 22:17.110 --> 22:19.930 So this, again, maybe it's just me. 22:19.930 --> 22:28.530 I don't know what I'm doing wrong in life, but the one that I remember so clearly, I had everyone, you know, I had just left my office and come back in. 22:28.530 --> 22:30.370 And everyone's like, have you seen it yet? 22:30.370 --> 22:31.410 Have you seen it yet? 22:31.450 --> 22:34.250 And I couldn't imagine what I hadn't seen yet. 22:34.510 --> 22:41.910 Only to find out I had a whip put on my desk with a note that said, hope you call me daddy. 22:44.670 --> 22:45.550 Wow. 22:45.630 --> 22:46.290 Yeah. 22:46.290 --> 22:47.390 Yep. 22:48.390 --> 22:59.090 And it was an internal employee who then I had to fire for this afterwards, who had interviewed for a job. 22:59.350 --> 23:04.310 So it's still... and I kept the whip for years in my office. 23:04.350 --> 23:08.430 And then it became kind of a weird thing in HR, like with a whip. 23:08.630 --> 23:13.990 But it was just always a reminder of things not to do and things not to give. 23:13.990 --> 23:16.270 So thank you notes, super great. 23:16.270 --> 23:18.470 Whips, not so cool. 23:18.850 --> 23:23.550 So just, you know, not a great thing to leave a recruiter. 23:23.550 --> 23:27.790 It's just, it didn't work out for anybody. 23:27.790 --> 23:29.550 New rule on this panel. 23:29.610 --> 23:30.350 Rachel goes last. 23:30.350 --> 23:31.730 Don't invite Rachel. 23:32.310 --> 23:33.190 No, no, no, no, no. 23:33.190 --> 23:34.710 She goes last every time. 23:34.710 --> 23:36.610 Yeah , she has to clean up for us. 23:36.610 --> 23:38.050 The rest of us sound like shit after that. 23:41.430 --> 23:42.530 Oh, too funny. 23:42.630 --> 23:43.590 I'm sorry. 23:43.590 --> 23:49.090 I'm finishing that question right now, because no one is going to be able to beat that one. 23:49.090 --> 23:50.610 No one, no one. 23:50.870 --> 23:52.330 I am disappointed. 23:52.330 --> 23:54.050 I thought somebody else was going to have it. 23:54.050 --> 23:57.010 Maybe I'm doing something completely wrong. 23:57.470 --> 23:58.770 All very right. 23:58.770 --> 24:01.430 Sounds like you're doing something very right to me. 24:04.070 --> 24:06.510 Okay, so new question. 24:08.030 --> 24:11.610 Yeah, well, at least they didn't give you a poll or something, you know. 24:11.610 --> 24:14.710 Well, you didn't, you haven't got to that question yet. 24:15.490 --> 24:16.710 Just kidding. 24:16.710 --> 24:17.510 Move on. 24:17.510 --> 24:19.030 We're only halfway through. 24:20.830 --> 24:25.210 Hey, I know Meg is going to miss the fact that she was not part of this. 24:25.210 --> 24:29.090 So one of our panelists have put in a question. 24:29.090 --> 24:34.070 What is the worst recruiter pickup line you've seen a recruiter use? 24:34.070 --> 24:36.170 I'm going to you, Chris. 24:36.410 --> 24:37.890 Oh my goodness. 24:37.890 --> 24:39.450 Let's come to me first. 24:39.450 --> 24:40.470 Yeah. 24:41.170 --> 24:42.270 Well, I feel like... 24:43.690 --> 24:46.810 And when you say recruiter pickup line, what do you mean, Pete? 24:46.810 --> 24:48.250 Sorry for clarification. 24:48.310 --> 24:57.650 Yeah, like, I guess the, like, what's their initial outreach email and potentially subject line, yeah, their hook line. 24:59.030 --> 25:05.810 Well, I guess being an external agency, like, I mean, we're normally going out to them most of the time, right? 25:05.810 --> 25:07.690 We do get them to come in to us. 25:07.690 --> 25:13.050 I don't think we really get, we don't get really that many, you know, because we're the agency, right? 25:13.050 --> 25:16.610 They're always wanting to, for us, we're going out to them. 25:16.610 --> 25:17.930 So they're usually just replying. 25:17.930 --> 25:19.910 So I haven't got, oh my goodness, a lot of terrible questions. 25:19.910 --> 25:22.270 I'm going to say to you, Catherine, you have to stop coming to me first. 25:22.270 --> 25:25.370 Maybe I take inspiration from everybody else's amazing stories. 25:25.370 --> 25:29.610 Well, at least we're starting to flesh out the order of who should answer the questions, right? 25:29.610 --> 25:30.970 Rachel's going to go last. 25:30.970 --> 25:32.050 Rachel last. 25:32.050 --> 25:33.010 Yeah, absolutely. 25:33.010 --> 25:33.670 Yeah. 25:34.550 --> 25:35.950 I need more vodka. 25:35.950 --> 25:40.990 Chris, you know, so many other agencies. 25:41.170 --> 25:46.190 Come on, you've got to have seen a really bad subject line out there. 25:47.790 --> 25:50.550 Um , I'll tell you, okay. 25:50.550 --> 25:53.170 I'll tell you a subject line, an outgoing one. 25:53.170 --> 25:55.390 So I'm going to slightly change the story. 25:55.930 --> 25:58.130 And it's a completely true story. 25:58.130 --> 26:00.210 It's the company I worked for before this. 26:00.210 --> 26:02.590 And it was somebody in their London office. 26:02.590 --> 26:06.890 And they used to get a good candidate in and mail them out. 26:07.210 --> 26:09.390 And they had a candidate. 26:10.210 --> 26:14.030 And again, diversity wise, you know, it was a tech IT. 26:14.110 --> 26:17.510 We don't get many women in IT. 26:17.750 --> 26:21.190 And we used to have like really, really high ratios. 26:21.190 --> 26:24.390 If you had a good female candidate, you knew you were going to place them. 26:24.410 --> 26:28.150 And so everybody was really pushed to get their resume and get them out the door. 26:29.090 --> 26:31.810 Now, you'd hope people would do that respectfully. 26:32.510 --> 26:35.330 One of the consultants sent out an email. 26:35.330 --> 26:38.150 And it was, the lady's name was Debbie. 26:38.190 --> 26:41.090 And she was a desktop support candidate. 26:41.090 --> 26:45.510 And the entitled the email outgoing, Debbie does desktop. 26:51.110 --> 26:51.850 Yeah. 26:52.570 --> 26:54.490 Final written warning for that one. 26:54.490 --> 26:56.310 That may be a dated reference. 26:56.310 --> 26:57.270 I don't know. 26:58.170 --> 27:02.770 I don't know how many people under the age of, I don't know, maybe 30 or... 27:03.890 --> 27:05.370 Yeah, watch it, Matt. 27:05.370 --> 27:06.290 Watch it. 27:08.250 --> 27:09.010 Yeah. 27:11.010 --> 27:14.990 Matt, I'm going to go to you. 27:14.990 --> 27:19.790 Any, any good sort of pickup lines, subject headers? 27:21.090 --> 27:22.770 I'm going to disappoint you on this one. 27:22.770 --> 27:24.350 I don't, I don't have one. 27:24.350 --> 27:26.010 I haven't, I haven't heard of one. 27:26.010 --> 27:27.610 I know there's, there's a bunch out there. 27:27.610 --> 27:30.090 And I couldn't think of anything before we got on here. 27:30.090 --> 27:36.410 But I would, I would say anything in all caps is probably the worst thing ever. 27:36.490 --> 27:44.030 If we're going to get real about advice, if that's what we're here for, all caps, something is, is, is just bad. 27:44.050 --> 27:46.970 I've gotten a couple of those and it's, I don't know. 27:47.270 --> 27:48.270 It's odd. 27:48.270 --> 27:49.330 I don't like it. 27:49.910 --> 27:53.090 So I wish I had a better story for you, but I don't. 27:53.090 --> 27:54.350 Going to go to Pete. 27:54.350 --> 27:55.990 Get me a job now. 27:56.190 --> 27:58.390 Yeah, I, I get a lot of those. 27:58.390 --> 27:59.930 I am job. 28:00.210 --> 28:01.970 So that's the worst. 28:01.970 --> 28:07.590 So Pete, and then we're going to have Rachel wrap it up with what is the best pickup line. 28:07.590 --> 28:08.570 So Pete. 28:08.710 --> 28:18.370 So the best one that I can think of is one that I got from an agency when I was working, one of my old companies when I had first gone to the corporate side of things. 28:18.370 --> 28:25.010 It was from an agency and it was, I want to be inside you, was the subject line, dot, dot, dot. 28:25.010 --> 28:32.330 And then I opened the email because of course it couldn't open the email and it said, dot, dot, dot. 28:32.330 --> 28:37.910 It had an R, headquarters, walking my employee in for their first day. 28:37.910 --> 28:43.350 So what the message really was, I want to be in your headquarters, walking in my employee for their first day. 28:43.510 --> 28:47.970 And I was like, oh, but the subject line was just, I want to be inside you. 28:48.450 --> 28:50.890 I was a little disappointed when I opened it up. 28:50.890 --> 28:53.510 I was really hoping for something a little bit better. 28:53.510 --> 28:58.450 But again, I clearly, I don't get all these really good ones that some of you guys get. 28:59.470 --> 29:00.850 Okay, Rachel. 29:01.150 --> 29:02.210 Well, first I'm judging. 29:02.210 --> 29:05.730 So let me get off my judgment seat that Pete opened that email. 29:05.930 --> 29:06.970 And second... 29:09.170 --> 29:12.050 You obviously don't know Pete that well. 29:12.130 --> 29:16.030 I was behind the safety and solitude of a VPN at the time. 29:16.030 --> 29:16.770 There you go. 29:16.770 --> 29:17.730 Okay, you were safe. 29:17.730 --> 29:20.870 Well, then my judgment is, I will postpone my judgment for later. 29:20.890 --> 29:23.710 No, I don't really have, I'm kind of with Matt. 29:23.710 --> 29:26.310 I don't have anything fantastic. 29:26.310 --> 29:27.790 You know, do you come here often? 29:27.790 --> 29:31.150 I mean, I don't really hear too many of that. 29:31.150 --> 29:36.730 I mean, I haven't seen any just other ones that just convince you, oh, I'm so sorry about your loss. 29:36.770 --> 29:40.410 You open it up and it's how can we help you fill it, you know, or things like that. 29:40.410 --> 29:42.790 But nothing just fantastic. 29:42.790 --> 29:43.910 So I'm sorry. 29:43.910 --> 29:47.610 I am probably going to be demoted to like third in line now. 29:47.610 --> 29:51.330 No, that whip story is going to carry you all the way through. 29:52.850 --> 29:54.950 I wish I still had it. 29:54.950 --> 29:57.110 Well, that's another story. 29:58.770 --> 30:00.150 Okay, next question. 30:00.150 --> 30:04.910 What is the worst excuse you've heard for missing an interview? 30:04.910 --> 30:06.450 Who wants to go first? 30:08.850 --> 30:10.410 I mean, that was my question. 30:10.410 --> 30:11.750 So it'd be really easy for me. 30:11.750 --> 30:14.430 It's one of the few ones I can go first on. 30:14.950 --> 30:16.030 I've got an answer. 30:16.030 --> 30:16.910 I've got an answer. 30:18.070 --> 30:19.490 I should have really. 30:21.650 --> 30:22.990 Probably two of them. 30:22.990 --> 30:26.590 One person we rang and rang. 30:26.910 --> 30:29.110 They just didn't turn up for their interview. 30:29.630 --> 30:32.690 Rung them to confirm before, like in the morning. 30:32.770 --> 30:34.510 Didn't answer us. 30:35.170 --> 30:36.410 Rung them again. 30:36.590 --> 30:38.750 Warned the client we haven't managed to get hold of them. 30:38.750 --> 30:39.590 They might not be able to. 30:39.590 --> 30:42.030 They might not be turning up, but we spoke to them yesterday. 30:42.030 --> 30:42.790 Fine. 30:42.850 --> 30:49.710 Got a phone call in from the candidate's brother saying, unfortunately, he'd passed away. 30:50.810 --> 30:58.730 Then a week and a half later, that candidate's resume was applying for another job. 30:58.730 --> 31:03.570 And somebody spoke to them and it was the same candidate. 31:03.570 --> 31:05.390 He'd resurrected. 31:05.390 --> 31:13.630 His name wasn't Jesus, but he's resurrected himself in a week and a half and was denying all knowledge of having an interview. 31:14.090 --> 31:16.470 It was such a weird conversation. 31:16.470 --> 31:22.210 We had the resurrected candidate and then also did have a candidate who didn't miss the interview. 31:23.090 --> 31:27.250 And I will say these date back quite a bit. 31:27.250 --> 31:30.690 So I feel like I'm dealing with more professional people nowadays. 31:32.050 --> 31:34.430 He celebrated his last day as a company. 31:34.430 --> 31:36.130 He had an interview the next day. 31:36.130 --> 31:37.990 Couldn't get hold of him in the morning. 31:38.250 --> 31:43.270 And then he rang us back an hour before his interview and said, Oh, I'm really sorry. 31:44.010 --> 31:46.370 I had too much to drink last night. 31:46.370 --> 31:49.090 I'm running a bit late, but I am going to make it. 31:49.310 --> 31:50.670 And I will make it on time. 31:50.670 --> 31:56.670 Is there any way you could tell the client I'm a bit disheveled because I'm in last night's suit? 31:57.370 --> 31:58.430 So he said it was my last day. 31:58.430 --> 32:00.230 And I was like, no, honestly, we can delay it. 32:00.230 --> 32:01.630 We can delay it. 32:01.630 --> 32:03.230 We can do something about it. 32:03.230 --> 32:04.530 No, no, I don't want to miss out now. 32:04.530 --> 32:05.590 I really want to go. 32:06.190 --> 32:08.910 And I said, is there anything else we need to tell them? 32:08.990 --> 32:10.290 And he said, yeah. 32:10.970 --> 32:14.870 So I've got a little bit of claret, as we call it. 32:14.870 --> 32:16.110 It isn't wine in England. 32:16.570 --> 32:20.130 I've got some claret down my suit, is what he said. 32:20.210 --> 32:24.670 He would actually spend the night in the jail for drunken disorderly. 32:24.670 --> 32:27.670 And he'd cut himself and he had blood all over his suit. 32:27.670 --> 32:30.250 And he was trying to convince us he still wanted to go to the interview. 32:30.250 --> 32:32.890 We needlessly didn't go ahead. 32:32.890 --> 32:35.410 We pulled that one back and changed it. 32:36.430 --> 32:38.750 We gotta admire his determination, though. 32:38.750 --> 32:39.230 Yeah. 32:39.230 --> 32:39.930 Yeah. 32:39.930 --> 32:41.610 I mean, he wasn't going to drop out. 32:41.610 --> 32:43.730 I mean, he really wanted the job. 32:43.730 --> 32:44.770 Yeah. 32:46.510 --> 32:49.010 So Pete, worst excuse? 32:49.450 --> 32:52.530 So I want to curveball a little here. 32:52.530 --> 32:55.050 Like, this person didn't miss the interview. 32:55.050 --> 32:56.550 They made it to the interview. 32:56.550 --> 32:58.830 It was during college recruiting season. 32:58.990 --> 33:04.450 And they had come in late the night before and had gotten there. 33:04.450 --> 33:07.790 And so they didn't get a chance to eat and came in in the morning. 33:07.790 --> 33:23.550 And they sat down for the interview and was clearly having some discomfort partway through the interview and visibly squirming in the seat, not really able to maintain their composure. 33:23.550 --> 33:31.090 Started to sweat a bit and realized that, like, there was going to be an incident relatively soon if we didn't do something. 33:32.450 --> 33:40.450 So that poor person, it turns out, picked up some Taco Bell for breakfast on the way in that day. 33:40.610 --> 34:02.750 And on the way making it to the Fortress of Solitude, if you will, where they would have been safe to do their business, unfortunately didn't quite make it to the room where you do that first and had a little bit of an accident all the way down the hallway leading up to the bathroom. 34:02.750 --> 34:02.990 Wow . 34:03.070 --> 34:10.310 Was so disheveled in there and the clothes were so ruined that they couldn't leave the bathroom. 34:11.850 --> 34:22.970 And what ended up happening is that he had to call out for help so that somebody could hear him in the bathroom, which ended up, long story short, because this could go on for hours. 34:22.970 --> 34:24.890 You could actually find it on Reddit. 34:26.010 --> 34:37.510 You called out, wound up, long story short, our CTO had to go and go to the Gap and buy him new pants so that he could come out of the bathroom. 34:37.610 --> 34:44.710 He came out of the bathroom and out of sheer nicety, they said, do you want to finish the interview? 34:44.710 --> 34:48.070 And he's like, no, I'm pretty sure I'm not getting this job. 34:48.830 --> 34:51.470 Or would ever take it if you got it. 34:51.730 --> 34:54.870 Even if you get offered, are you going to take it? 34:55.670 --> 34:57.690 Yeah, but you can find it on Reddit. 34:57.690 --> 35:02.250 It was an amazing story. 35:03.110 --> 35:03.730 Okay. 35:03.730 --> 35:07.390 Does anyone want to top that or at least equal that? 35:08.370 --> 35:10.130 No, but there's one I want to share. 35:10.130 --> 35:13.930 I want to share one that we had and it's in the same guys. 35:14.090 --> 35:16.910 It was not because they missed the interview. 35:18.430 --> 35:30.010 They didn't even get... where I used to work, we used to do a recruiter, just a pre-interview discussion, you know, 20 minutes just to get them prepped, get them ready for who they're going to meet. 35:30.590 --> 35:34.310 And this didn't happen to me, it happened to a coworker. 35:35.110 --> 35:36.650 Again, college recruiting. 35:36.650 --> 35:44.690 So young folks, please, please know what you're doing and how to accept bad news. 35:44.690 --> 35:57.430 Um, she showed up with, yeah, this was kind of early 2000s, but it looked like she came right out of like a grunge band concert, right? 35:57.430 --> 36:06.170 Just the red flannel shirt tied up around, you know, and it's like, all right, that's, we'll talk to you a little bit. 36:06.170 --> 36:12.390 But we did, she ended up, we ended up not letting her go any further, right? 36:12.390 --> 36:14.670 We were like, look, you're not ready for this. 36:14.690 --> 36:20.450 I think you've, you need to learn a little bit about interviewing and being ready for interviews. 36:20.450 --> 36:24.350 This is not the job at, you know, Walmart or whatever. 36:24.770 --> 36:27.190 She said, okay, well, I appreciate that. 36:27.370 --> 36:30.710 Can I drop off some flyers for my band? 36:30.830 --> 36:32.750 We're playing up the street in a couple of weeks. 36:32.750 --> 36:40.250 I'm like, and she left the whole stack of flyers with us for her band. 36:40.250 --> 36:43.330 Like, it's the weirdest thing we ever saw. 36:43.870 --> 36:46.530 It's not, it's not poop down the hall. 36:46.530 --> 36:49.910 Sorry, Pete, but... I don't have crap either, but I do have blood. 36:49.910 --> 36:52.730 I mean, I had, I have blood. 36:52.730 --> 36:53.330 Does that count? 36:53.330 --> 36:54.910 Okay, good. 36:54.910 --> 36:57.330 You gotta share that, Rachel. 36:57.470 --> 37:11.750 She beat her ex-husband with a golf club because found him with another woman, ended up in jail and called from jail her one phone call to let me know she was going to be late, but she would be bailed out. 37:12.610 --> 37:13.570 Wow. 37:13.950 --> 37:19.790 So the moral of the stories here is that if you go to jail, you clearly want the job. 37:19.930 --> 37:20.530 Absolutely. 37:20.530 --> 37:24.870 And you make sure you have your recruiter's number as your only phone call. 37:25.070 --> 37:26.070 Just saying. 37:26.070 --> 37:26.690 Yeah. 37:26.790 --> 37:30.210 That is the number one, like, moral of that story. 37:30.210 --> 37:32.370 And she didn't, she didn't get the job. 37:32.790 --> 37:35.050 Oh, come on! 37:35.150 --> 37:36.530 Wasted phone call. 37:36.530 --> 37:41.910 You know, in my head, I'm like, oh, please, Lord, don't make her get out of jail. 37:42.590 --> 37:43.430 She forgot. 37:43.430 --> 37:44.830 She only had one phone call. 37:44.830 --> 37:46.950 She was supposed to be calling to get her bail. 37:46.950 --> 37:47.730 Thank you. 37:47.730 --> 37:49.010 And then she was stuck. 37:49.130 --> 37:49.970 Thank you. 37:50.390 --> 37:52.230 It was, it was a precious moment. 37:52.230 --> 37:57.190 Needless to say, this is another candidate that I followed in the news and continued to beat her husband. 37:57.190 --> 37:59.010 So great story. 38:02.030 --> 38:03.630 Welcome to Louisiana. 38:06.410 --> 38:08.270 Got to have a passport. 38:11.500 --> 38:15.120 I knew Rachel would be a great addition to this team. 38:15.120 --> 38:15.860 Yes. 38:16.120 --> 38:27.860 So, okay, I'm going to move on to our next question, which is what is the worst interview faux pas you have ever seen? 38:27.980 --> 38:32.740 Rachel, I'm going to kick it off with you so that you set the standard for everyone else. 38:32.740 --> 38:37.920 Well, I am afraid I am going to set this bar low, but I'm going to try real hard. 38:38.180 --> 38:47.180 Probably the one that sticks out so much in my mind was an interview that I was participating in, and the gentleman was angry at life. 38:47.180 --> 38:49.460 He was angry that he woke up in the morning. 38:49.460 --> 38:51.980 He was angry that he drove his car to the interview. 38:51.980 --> 39:00.300 He was angry about everything to the point where he was coming across the table at us with anger about everything. 39:00.300 --> 39:07.480 At the end of the interview, he wanted to talk a lot about how much the job was going to pay and everything else. 39:07.480 --> 39:18.180 We were like, we were fearing for our lives at this moment because there was a threat against us if we didn't hire him, a threat against the company if we didn't hire him, and everything else. 39:18.320 --> 39:25.100 But then he wanted to make sure that we were very clear on what his salary expectations were and when could he start. 39:25.160 --> 39:35.900 So, that was probably the one that sticks out the most was just the sheer anger talking about the things he wanted to do to his former employer and how he was going to execute these things. 39:35.900 --> 39:40.580 I mean, very vivid conversations about how that should have ended. 39:40.580 --> 39:50.620 So, we did have to call the police afterwards because there were very visible threats against his previous employer, and I didn't want to walk out to my car by myself that night. 39:50.620 --> 39:56.460 So, it was not a great time, and again, moral of the story, he didn't get the job. 39:58.320 --> 40:02.440 So, Chris, any good ones to tell? 40:04.020 --> 40:12.600 A couple of times we've had managers actually interview people for the completely wrong job. 40:13.900 --> 40:30.420 So, we get this feedback and it doesn't make any sense, and then we speak to them, and it has happened more than once, and then the managers are like, oh, I interviewed them for this job, I got them mixed up with this other candidate, so, I mean, dealing with that, 40:30.420 --> 40:32.840 the fallout of that, is absolutely no fun. 40:32.840 --> 40:34.080 I mean, it must be the worst. 40:34.080 --> 40:42.320 Can you imagine, you're getting asked all these questions, and it's not even for your job, you can't answer any of them, you're an expert in your field, and you're like, why are they even asking me this? 40:42.320 --> 40:48.360 So, that's probably the biggest faux pas, and it hasn't happened just once, unfortunately. 40:49.220 --> 40:53.280 Yeah, that's probably the most awkward one to deal with. 40:54.740 --> 40:55.700 Pete? 40:57.120 --> 41:16.920 I think the weirdest thing I've seen happen in an interview that I sort of shook my head at is, I was interviewing somebody, this is an experienced person, I mean, a good solid 15, 20 years of experience, and he, I mean, I had noticed that he didn't have any socks on with his suit, 41:16.920 --> 41:35.560 which is fine, man, like, Don Johnson did it, you do your thing, but it, he took his shoes off in the middle of the interview, and like, put his, you know, leg up, you know, crossed his legs, and I mean, I might have been okay with it if you'd had like a mani pedi that day, 41:35.560 --> 41:53.600 but that was not the case, and it was not pleasant, and I actually had to stop things, I'm all for your comfort, and your, you know, how you want to live, but you got to put shoes back on, because we were in a, you know, nine by nine room, and it was, 41:53.600 --> 41:55.860 it was getting a little raunchy in there. 41:57.140 --> 42:01.800 I'm just going to say, I was in the same boat, but the person was picking their toenails. 42:02.120 --> 42:03.980 Yes, I had one of those. 42:04.640 --> 42:10.440 That was going to be one of my stories, I was going to ask, I was going to ask if they picked their toenails while they did it. 42:10.440 --> 42:12.320 Yeah, go for it, Matt. 42:12.420 --> 42:26.580 No, I won't go there, because he told the story, just changed the, crossed their legs to, to pick their toenails the whole time, but so I'll, I'll, I'll do another one, and this is on a hiring manager side. 42:28.420 --> 42:43.480 You know, I love it when hiring managers are real quick on, on getting that feedback back to us, and, and, and when you got a hiring manager who knows how to use the applicant tracking system, and, and knows what the buttons are, and what they do. 42:43.980 --> 42:47.400 I, I love that, all right, just, just for all you hiring managers out there. 42:47.400 --> 42:50.580 I really appreciate when you, when you know how to use the system. 42:51.180 --> 43:13.880 I just wish that you would wait more than 15 minutes after the interview, and maybe even after the person's driven away from the building to reject them, and to know that you can actually send the rejection yourself, because we had that happen, and the person got the rejection letter. 43:14.280 --> 43:17.940 It was just a stupid, templated rejection letter, right? 43:17.940 --> 43:19.880 I'm like, why would you do that? 43:20.600 --> 43:30.780 The person came back, because he hadn't even left the parking lot yet, hadn't left the parking lot yet, and came back upstairs and asked to talk to me. 43:30.780 --> 43:45.520 I'm like, um, yeah, it's like, uh, I just got this email from, from, you know, your system, and it says I was rejected, but it was just, I had to sit there, and I hadn't even had a chance to debrief with the person yet. 43:45.520 --> 44:01.660 I didn't even know what, I thought the guy came back, because he was, you know, he forgot something, or, or, you know, whatever it was, and yeah, he wanted to know right then and there why he was rejected, and I had to actually go find the manager, and find out what the reasons were, 44:01.660 --> 44:11.620 and they weren't really good reasons either, so I had to kind of figure out what it was that I could say to this person, and it really put me in a bad spot that day. 44:11.620 --> 44:14.460 Nothing like tap dancing for somebody else's mistake. 44:14.740 --> 44:15.860 Yep. 44:16.460 --> 44:22.120 So we, we've talked a lot about what candidates have done wrong. 44:22.120 --> 44:28.660 We've talked a little bit about sort of our, you know, processes that might not go well. 44:29.140 --> 44:45.140 Just wanted to go around the room and sort of talk about, you know, the other, as Matt was kicking off there, that the hiring managers, who are the people that sort of do the final interviewing, what are some of the mistakes that you have seen them make? 44:45.800 --> 44:48.060 Matt had a really good one. 44:48.620 --> 44:52.660 Rachel, Chris, Pete, who wants to kick off next? 44:57.460 --> 45:00.160 You guys, you internal guys must have some good ones. 45:00.160 --> 45:03.160 I mean, there's really good stuff to choose from. 45:03.160 --> 45:12.760 Yeah, mine interviewing, yeah, I think just interviewing the people for the wrong jobs is always like, that's always the worst, and the worst one I've had to deal with. 45:13.220 --> 45:15.860 Yeah, you got, you internal guys must have some good ones, surely. 45:16.100 --> 45:36.300 I definitely had a, yeah, I worked for, well, I work for a company, if I give too much details, but it's not my current company, but I worked for a company where I had a candidate, fairly senior level candidate, call me after the interview, like two hours after it was over, 45:36.300 --> 45:38.680 and I said, okay, well, I don't have the feedback. 45:38.680 --> 45:40.160 And he's like, I don't care about the feedback. 45:40.160 --> 45:42.000 He's like, I just have to ask you a question. 45:42.080 --> 45:49.040 So, okay, he's like, is it possible that, insert hiring manager's name here, was drunk during my interview? 45:49.460 --> 45:59.380 I said, I'm not sure how you mean, like, I, my mentality went, I'm not sure how you mean, it was 10 o'clock AM interview, like, what do you mean? 45:59.380 --> 46:05.460 He's like, no, no, no, I come from a long line of alcoholics, and I'm pretty sure I know what somebody who's been drinking looks like. 46:05.460 --> 46:10.600 And I'm like, I said, well, yeah, me too, but like, it's 10 AM. 46:11.300 --> 46:27.660 And he said, no, about four weeks later, we did let that hiring manager go, because apparently for weeks on end was showing up to work drunk, and just masquerading through the day on that. 46:27.660 --> 46:31.220 So note to self, like, don't interview people when you're drunk. 46:32.320 --> 46:33.460 We did not. 46:33.460 --> 46:37.660 Like, we won't be interviewing anybody right now, is what you're saying? 46:37.660 --> 46:38.940 Yeah, hopefully not. 46:39.020 --> 46:40.300 No interviewing. 46:41.740 --> 46:43.220 Got it. 46:43.280 --> 46:46.940 So Rachel, any good hiring manager? 46:47.520 --> 46:56.160 You know, I love the ones that really want to pull back the layers and better understand the candidate by asking questions about, so when are you due? 46:56.300 --> 47:00.520 And the person's not pregnant, that was a super fun one. 47:00.820 --> 47:09.660 Or, you know, tell me more about why you can't work because of your children, or all of the things that were like, you said what? 47:10.040 --> 47:13.480 You know, those are the ones that stick out the most in my mind. 47:13.620 --> 47:24.180 And even sitting in with hiring managers on interviews, I'm always taken back at the liberties, sometimes of just, well, I just, you know, I have it in my gut. 47:24.180 --> 47:28.000 And I'm like, no, it's actually written down, you just need to read it. 47:28.040 --> 47:30.040 That's what we need your gut to be. 47:30.200 --> 47:36.780 And so I think that's the piece that's always the most interesting for me is the gut questions that come out. 47:37.100 --> 47:44.880 That completely puts you in a litigious spot in the spot where you're like, we're just not making good decisions right now, friends. 47:44.880 --> 47:47.680 And so I think those are the ones that stick out the most. 47:47.680 --> 47:55.600 But the one that was clearly not pregnant, and asked when she was due, I had to deescalate that one. 47:55.600 --> 47:57.020 And that was not fun. 47:57.020 --> 48:01.420 So don't ever ask, even if you think don't, don't ask. 48:02.060 --> 48:09.400 It's sound advice to make sure hiring managers know, like, don't type anything out that you don't want to repeat in court. 48:09.400 --> 48:10.120 Thank you. 48:10.120 --> 48:13.000 But it does not stop at the hiring manager. 48:13.000 --> 48:26.540 That's your entire interview team, because some of those people are staff level, you know, software engineer, whatever level you are, because we... I say we, but this is before tenable. 48:26.540 --> 48:33.280 Somebody was was diagnosing somebody, like mentally in their feedback evaluation form. 48:34.160 --> 48:36.840 And it was in the record. 48:36.840 --> 48:37.880 In writing. 48:37.880 --> 48:38.760 Yeah. 48:39.700 --> 48:43.460 What were you doing during that session? 48:43.460 --> 48:43.540 Help me understand . 48:43.540 --> 48:45.120 That's the question that always comes up. 48:45.120 --> 48:49.300 Help me understand what you were thinking when you wrote this down. 48:49.300 --> 48:51.680 But can they code? 48:53.720 --> 48:54.460 Right? 48:55.500 --> 48:57.260 It's like crazy all day. 48:57.260 --> 48:58.600 Just gotta code. 48:59.500 --> 49:00.060 So guys... 49:00.060 --> 49:01.340 Bless their hearts. 49:01.400 --> 49:03.340 Bless their souls. 49:03.400 --> 49:05.100 Bless their heart. 49:05.100 --> 49:09.840 I actually have the Garden and Gun, Bless Your Heart trivia. 49:09.880 --> 49:13.140 So Rachel, we might have to play that. 49:13.140 --> 49:14.540 Yeah, we're both drinking red wine. 49:14.540 --> 49:16.260 We're good kindred spirits here. 49:16.460 --> 49:17.840 We're good there. 49:18.520 --> 49:19.120 So... 49:19.300 --> 49:23.240 Guys, ladies, lady, we're done. 49:23.240 --> 49:25.720 You know, we've gotten to the end. 49:25.740 --> 49:30.240 So I'm going to say I'm going to go around Robin. 49:30.240 --> 49:32.460 I'm going to have the lady go last. 49:32.580 --> 49:41.700 But I want each one of you to give a top tip to the job seekers in the community on what they need to do in their job search. 49:41.700 --> 49:43.680 So Chris, you're first. 49:44.640 --> 49:46.020 Be honest. 49:46.580 --> 49:47.840 Stand by the line. 49:47.840 --> 49:48.740 That's it. 49:49.180 --> 49:49.840 Matt? 49:49.840 --> 49:50.860 Just be honest. 49:52.700 --> 49:54.520 Know what you're applying to. 49:54.620 --> 50:00.140 You know, there's a lot of CR applicants out there that apply to every single job that a particular company wants. 50:00.140 --> 50:02.860 I understand you want a job and you need a job. 50:03.040 --> 50:07.420 Or you're trying to find something so you're not the last person in a sinking ship. 50:09.020 --> 50:13.660 But apply to something that you know you can do most of the job with. 50:14.200 --> 50:16.460 You have most of the skills to do the job. 50:18.080 --> 50:20.800 And just be interested in it. 50:22.040 --> 50:23.000 Pete? 50:24.260 --> 50:28.460 Just have somebody... get a second set of eyeballs on your resume. 50:29.360 --> 50:32.720 None of us are published writers to my knowledge. 50:32.960 --> 50:40.020 So get a second, you know, set of eyes on your resume just to get it looked at to make sure everything looks the way that it should. 50:40.020 --> 50:45.220 It's hard to write a document like that and stare at it after a while it all starts to look the same. 50:45.380 --> 50:48.620 So, yeah, just, you know, once over I think is helpful. 50:49.680 --> 50:51.000 And Rachel? 50:51.700 --> 50:52.660 It's simple. 50:52.660 --> 50:55.600 We're going to spend a little bit of time looking at each resume. 50:55.600 --> 51:01.680 When you put your pictures and there's colors and there's too many cutesy-tootsies on there, we get lost. 51:01.680 --> 51:03.000 So just keep it simple. 51:03.000 --> 51:10.500 Tell us what you can do and what we're applying for and or what you're applying for and everyone's life is much simpler. 51:11.400 --> 51:24.180 Well, I want to thank all of my friends, Pete, Rachel, Matt, and Chris for coming together on a Friday night to have a few drinks and share that recruiters are humans too. 51:24.280 --> 51:27.580 They want to be your best friends, want to be your advocates. 51:27.580 --> 51:38.180 So take the time, reach out to a recruiter, make sure you have recruiters in your network because they are the people that are going to advocate for you to find the next best job. 51:38.180 --> 51:46.140 And remember that we have recruiters in resume review, and we have people who are in career coaching that can help you. 51:46.140 --> 51:50.660 So thank you everyone for coming to Career Hacking Village and have a great evening. 51:51.100 --> 51:52.020 Cheers. 51:52.080 --> 51:53.120 Thank you.