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Hey, SafeMode.

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Welcome to Hack to C.

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I'm Kitty, and I'm here to give you a brief explainer on what UUVs are and what their challenges are.

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So essentially, a UUV is an unmanned underwater vehicle, or as I like to say, an unpersonned or uncrewed underwater vehicle.

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Underneath the category of a UUV, there are two central subtypes.

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There's the AUV, the autonomous underwater vehicle, and the ROV, the remotely operated vehicle.

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And the key difference between these two is one is a self-guided, self-contained system, the AUV, and it makes its own decisions and completes its own tasks without human guidance or interference.

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The ROV, conversely, is usually a tethered system, but either way, it's connected to a human who's helping the machine complete its tasks and go along its guidance.

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Essentially, what we're talking about here are maritime robots.

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So why do we need maritime robots?

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Well, most of it is about exploring or extracting stuff from the ocean.

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And what we know about humans and the ocean is that if you put a human under the water on a long enough timeline, they tend to die.

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So the history of the development of technologies for exploration and extraction used to be about putting a suit around a human or putting a crew inside some sort of undersea shelter that would allow them to do the things they wanted to do.

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And that timeline is quite long.

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So what you're looking at in this image is an atmospheric diving suit.

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And that, I think, is an image from 2014.

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But more interestingly, the submarine you're looking at, what essentially looks like a barrel with a window on it, that model is from the 1700s.

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So the history of trying to extract and explore the ocean is quite long.

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The other thing that we tend to do under the ocean, largely brought on by a number of world wars, is we do tend to do fighting underneath the sea.

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And what you're looking at here is an example of an unmanned torpedo.

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So the way this works is, this person sits atop this torpedo, and in front of this person is a timed warhead.

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And what they do is they guide the torpedo to its location.

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The driver then drives the manned torpedo over near the enemy ship, attaches the warhead, and then drops and runs as, or swims as fast as they can to get away.

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So presumably, the people signing up for this job probably drew the short straw.

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But this is much of what drives the development, at least for militaries, for the creation of a UUV, because this is a high-risk environment.

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So what we're asking to do at Hack the Sea is for you guys to start thinking about ways to create some battle bots.

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And so I have three essential, easier and harder design sets that you want to start thinking about if you want to play next year at DEFCON 29.

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So the easier way to think about this is to tether.

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And so if you wanted to engage in your battle, and you wanted to tether your bot, you certainly have a lot of access to power, you certainly have a lot of access to data, and your maneuver capability is higher.

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But this is the easy model.

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And in all honesty, I would be surprised if we allowed people to operate tethered in this way.

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The harder challenge, and the one I think we want to see you guys do, is the untethered, remotely operated robot.

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But we will come out with guidance on that challenge pretty soon.

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But the problem with that untethered, remotely operated robot is that under the water, radio frequency doesn't work.

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And so you're pretty much left with sound and maybe light.

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And so good luck on that.

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And we look forward to seeing what you come up with.

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Another challenge that you want to think about is where on the water do you want to be?

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And we will have separate challenges for that.

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But essentially there are three general positions.

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There's your floaters, there's your swimmers, and there's your bottom crawlers.

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So your floaters will obviously have more access to light and potentially communication.

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Your bottom crawlers will be in their most austere position, but they will at least be able to locate where they are in the water because they can touch the bottom.

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And interestingly and quite challengingly, there are your free swimmers, and who even knows how you're going to figure out how to orient yourself in that condition.

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The other thing that you need to start thinking about is how to power it.

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So the way the military powers things, particularly with submarines, is either nuclear power or diesel-electric.

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These are probably not two categories you'll be allowed to use.

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So I look forward to seeing what you guys come up with.

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That is about it for my explainer on UUVs.

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I didn't want to take it on too long, but I do want to say that I know that you see me wearing a bow tie, and that bow tie is really because I want to dedicate this talk to a friend, a colleague, and a mentor, Will Bundy, who passed away this last December.

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He was a huge part of the Naval War College's move toward innovation, and he was a big proponent of thinking about all sorts of unmanned autonomous systems.

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And so I just wanted to say thanks, and we miss you.

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And now that that's done, I figured I would have a little fun at the back end of this video.

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So I tried to think about how to work in some sort of reference and a tie between a cocktail and this video, and I couldn't, so we're just gonna make a cocktail.

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So what you're gonna need, let me move my camera, in order to make a Manhattan in the style that I make a Manhattan, is you're going to need some bourbon, and you're going to need some vermouth, you're gonna need some bitters, some cherries, some ice,

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and a way to stir it.

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Let's give it a shot.

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Okay, so I tend to make a pretty stiff Manhattan, so I just want to warn you in advance if you follow my proportions, be prepared for a stiff drink.

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So you're gonna start with your bourbon.

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I have here something I bought from a local distillery, Filibuster.

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It's a really nice standard bourbon.

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They call it a whiskey because they age it in a different way.

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So you're gonna take two and a half parts of bourbon.

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That's one,

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two, and a half.

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You're gonna grab some vermouth, a sweet vermouth.

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I tend to use this thing called Carpano Antica, which is considered an Amaro, but that's fancy words.

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Just get a sweet vermouth.

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You'll learn over time what your favorites are, and I do one part of that.

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And then I'm gonna put my bitters in.

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So I go with two different kinds of bitters.

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I go with Angostura bitters, and then a little bit of what's called Tiki bitters.

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But really, you should play around as much as you want with the bitters until you find out whether you like that deep, Christmassy flavor or something more peppery, but that's entirely up to you.

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Put a little bit of this in here.

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Healthy dash of Angostura bitters.

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And the thing that I find that's most common and most interesting and important and also controversial, is I believe strongly in allowing the flavor of the cherry to come into the Manhattan.

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And so often what I'll do when I buy my cherries, is when I put the cherry in the drink.

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There, see, this is a tethering cherry.

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And I put just a little bit of the cherry juice into the Manhattan to give it just a little bit more cherry flavor.

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In the real world, you should be stirring this for somewhere 20 and 30 seconds to get that temperature way down there and to mix all the sugars together.

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And I have forgotten my skimmer, so I'll just put my finger down here.

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That's how you make a Manhattan.

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I will say for anybody who makes it all the way to the end of this video, hit me up at Defcon 29 and I will definitely help you make your own Manhattan.

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I look forward to seeing you guys.

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Hmm.

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I look forward to seeing the battle bots.

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Take care.

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Thanks guys.

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Turn this one off.

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All right.

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Let me turn my, no, my camera's on.

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Hey guys, I wanted to say thank you.

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I don't know why my camera's off.

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Share my screen.

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Who knows?

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Anyway.

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In all seriousness, the challenge that we're dreaming up for Hack to See, we're hoping to play out in 2021.

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And the kind of challenge we're really looking for is gonna be a hard, just try and do this the hard way, right?

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So there are gonna be two categories or classes and I wanna talk a little bit about the swimmers and then I'm gonna kick it over to Grant and Grant is gonna talk a little bit about the floaters.

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And so, and while I'm doing this part of the preso, feel free to text in some questions and answers.

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And then after Grant talks a little bit about his challenge on floaters, I wanna kick it over in a very weird way.

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You're gonna listen to him on my phone because we can't get his audio enabled.

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You're gonna listen to Dave talk about undersea IOT, which is a growing commonality in the water.

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So, okay, so here's the deal.

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Next summer, we would like to see you folks bring some bots to battle in the water.

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The swimmer class is going to hopefully operate untethered.

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Now, what does that mean?

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That means that all of that, all those advantages you have normally by attaching a tether to your bot so that it can go through an obstacle course aren't gonna be there.

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In particular, one of your greatest challenges is going to be power, and the other one is gonna be cons with your bot to get it to go through a system.

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You have all the opportunities you want.

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If you wanna make it an AUV, if you wanna make it autonomous, that's great, but you gotta be careful, right?

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Because it's an obstacle course.

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So here are the general rules.

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And then as we go forward, we will be sending out specifics and guidelines.

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But in general, we're hoping that your bot will not be any bigger than checked luggage.

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Ideally, it will be about the size of carry-on luggage.

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Why did we do that?

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We did that because we need you to get your bot to Vegas.

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And in order to get your bot to Vegas, it's gotta fit in some luggage.

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Otherwise, you'll have a hell of a time getting it here.

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So, checked luggage or carry-on luggage, and we'll be more specific about dimensions going on going forward.

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I can automatically tell that some of you are gonna wanna know, can it fit in checked luggage and then I can unfold it?

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Probably, but we'll figure it out.

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Ideally, your bot's gonna be untethered for power.

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We can talk later about whether or not you can do a glider motion, which is your bot can be underwater and then come up for comms and then go back down again.

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That's a valid design.

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We'll think about it.

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And again, we'll have clear guidelines here going forward.

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We're thinking no more than $1,000 expenditures.

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So, for those of you who are in makerspaces, if you wanna put a team together and start thinking about how to build this, we really don't want you to be buying the Gucci set.

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Cobble this together, make it work, but do it the hard way.

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And we're looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

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Like I said, reach out to me or reach out to Hack the Sea.

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We're at hackthesea.org.

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And we will have, in the coming weeks, the exact specifications and the gateways and challenges to get us moving forward.

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And if you have any other questions, I'm here.

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But at this point, I'm gonna kick it over to Grant, hopefully, and Grant will talk about the floater class.

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Hello.

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How are you?

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All right.

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Very excited to be here.

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My name is Grant from Ocean Builders.

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We are seasteaders.

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We are the ones that are famous for building a floating home in the water in Thailand.

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Let me see if I can share my screen here.

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Maybe that's not working.

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Okay, maybe I can't share my screen.

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Can you hear me?

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Now something went wrong.

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Okay, there it is.

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Okay, so maybe I can't share my screen.

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I was gonna show you some images of the original seastead that we built in Thailand that was very famously attacked by the Thai Navy and ended up turning into a 10-day manhunt by the Thai Navy.

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So it was a very interesting story.

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Right now, a book is being written about it as well as a screenplay for a movie.

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So I'll talk more about that in my official talk tomorrow.

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But I wanted to talk here about the challenge we're going to be doing for a floater.

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And for seasteading, something that's really important for us is to be able to have advanced warning if there's big waves or see what's actually going on in the area around us.

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So we would like to have some notice that there's big storms coming up and things like that.

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And also another purpose is to be able to observe the marine ecosystem around us.

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So we want to build what we call an aqua boy, like not a aqua boy, like a man, but the actual boys that float in the water and fill it with as many sensors that can give us very useful information as possible.

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So useful information can be water temperature, pH levels, salinity, turbidity, maybe even cameras connected and collect some data or maybe even have machine learning.

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So we'll be putting together the specifications on exactly what all the details are.

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We already have a bit of a cheat sheet pinned on our channel.

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So you can go and download what we have already.

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It's already there.

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And we'll just give you some information on the ideas that we have for what that is.

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And we'll revise that as we go along here.

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But we're pretty close to what we want for the specifications of what would be there.

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Ideally, we would have a maximum price and size, of course.

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It should be something you should be able to bring to Vegas, like Nina was saying, you should be able to transport it there.

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Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

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And it would look like, it could look like something like a normal buoy that you see floating in the water that is kind of used for the red and green buoys that you see for direction for boats to navigate through some waterways.

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It could be very similar to those in kind of shape.

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And it can take, you know, can take under the water, there would be a sensor array above the water.

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There can be sensors in them as well.

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So it's really unfortunate I can't share my screen, but I'll maybe have that solved for the next talk.

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Tomorrow.

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And so I can go through a few of the details here that we had.

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There's also a link to join the challenge.

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So if anyone here wants to look at the challenge or look at some of the challenges we have that we're going to be doing over the next year, there's a link to a little survey signup form where you can actually put your name and information and kind of check off what your interests are.

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And I think we have something very unique because we are, like, this is Hack the Sea.

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Everyone's here to find out how to hack the sea.

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And this is, I think, a really interesting opportunity.

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We're at the time where all these technologies now exist for us to be able to do some really fantastic things on the ocean.

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And so we're out there doing it.

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We're seasteaders.

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We're actually building hardware.

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We're actually making things happen.

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People have been talking about building a city on the sea for decades, but no one's actually done it.

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So we're actually the first ones that are actually putting hardware together and putting it in the water.

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So we're really excited about being able to reach people and reach out to a community of hackers that likes building things and is passionate about building things and can help us to move everything forward.

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We're really looking for kind of...

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We're here mostly to do a call of action, to say, okay, here's the opportunities.

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The sea is wide open with all these incredible opportunities of what we can do.

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And I think now's a really amazing time to actually bring all these things together, do a call of action here to anyone that wants to participate and help us do some really interesting things.

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So we'll give a longer talk tomorrow.

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We'll have some videos and presentations around the whole thing.

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But I think we can probably pass it along back to Nina, who's going to patch through with Dave on the phone.

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Thanks a lot, Grant.

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Yep, so we got Dave on the phone.

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I do want to say, just as an addition to Grant's commentary here, we aren't looking to have people bring their proprietary source stuff, right, to the battle.

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We're looking for open source hardware and software on this one, right?

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Want to be able to share.

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That's the way that works.

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And so look for that to be a requirement in the battle guidelines.

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And so, all right, so this is awkward as hell, but I'm going to have Dave speak to you about the underwater IoT via my phone.

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So I'm just going to...

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I'm going to look to Grant to give me the thumbs up to see if he can hear Dave.

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Dave, take it away.

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Okay, can you hear me?

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I hope I don't get too much feedback here.

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So I'm kind of flying blind here.

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I'll do the best that I can.

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So I'm kind of flipping through my PowerPoint here.

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I didn't actually hear Nina's video, so I don't really know what she covered in terms of UUVs.

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But, you know, just to sort of put things in context, I guess, you know, UUVs, basically unmanned undersea vehicles, and, you know...

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Dave, I'm going to cut you off.

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Stand by one.

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I'm going to cut you off.

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We're getting way too much echo.

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Here's what I'm going to do.

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I think what we're going to do is we will...

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I'm talking to the whole world now.

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We're going to...

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We may try and ask you to dial in tomorrow and see if we can get you human plus status.

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So for the universe out there, unfortunately, Dave does not have human plus status.

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And so the video and audio functions aren't working.

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And so we'll have Imprezo out probably following Grant tomorrow, but we'll see if we can spin up.

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In the meantime, I'm going to take some questions and I'll see if I can grab Dave's slides.

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But just...

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Yeah, and then just as a takeaway, the undersea IOT stuff is actually really getting built out pretty aggressively.

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Dave, what's the timeline you figure?

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Within the next 10 years, next five or 10 years.

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Okay.

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As things progress with communications in the undersea, that's the critical path.

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Okay, Dave, we're going to have you...

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We're going to get you added to tomorrow's jam.

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So I'll do that on the back end and let me just take Q&A now.

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So we'll talk to you in a couple of minutes, Dave.

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Thanks so much for...

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We'll get there.

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Take it easy, man.

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All right, Grant, if you want to unmute, then we'll just take whatever questions come up.

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Or we can just riff until then.

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Well, I'm really excited to hear about the underwater IOT from Dave.

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I'm glad to hear it.

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So, okay, so why don't you and I talk about...

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Why don't you and I talk about, like, why does it...

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What's so hard about UUVs?

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Like, why does that...

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We have plenty of flying drones.

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Like, what's the special challenge about being under the water?

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And you can talk about this from the seasteading perspective and I can talk about it from the naval perspective, but I'll kick it off to you first.

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Well, it's communication, getting the data from whatever is...

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When you're underwater, you can't send a radio signal above...

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You know, it doesn't travel.

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So that's the core problem.

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So if we...

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Go ahead.

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If we can solve that, or if there's a solution or some way of communicating, that would be incredible.

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That could be a game changer.

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So, I mean, I think this is...

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This can't be stressed strongly enough when I've been talking to roboticists who do undersea stuff.

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One of the core challenges and why people are talking about going autonomous with their robots is this problem of communication.

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So for those folks who don't play around in the water stuff, radio frequency, the way in which comms work, wireless comms, you know, the way in which our drones fly, that is not a thing you get to do under the water.

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You're left with two sources of signals under the water, unless you count Dave's undersea IOT.

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But you're really looking at light and sonar.

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Grant, do you know of any other ways besides light and sonar?

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Sound and light?

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No.

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Yeah, I'm not either.

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So I'm curious to see what Dave has to see about an undersea IOT.

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But really, so now you're talking about a bot that is either working on delayed comms, or if you're going to do light, you got to worry about some other problems.

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And so there are also additional issues, which is the bathymetry of the water.

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So how deep is it?

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You get different pressure, the farther you go down, you get different resistance on the hull itself.

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Grant, are you familiar at all what happens when you put a lithium ion battery encased in a small shell and put it underwater?

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No, I haven't really researched much on...

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And if the battery off-gases, what do you have then?

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You have a pipeline.

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So the other problem we're going to deal with in that UUV category is power.

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And so this is a very serious issue, that even if you get a really good lithium ion battery in that bot, and it's operating autonomously underwater, now you have to worry about whether or not the encasement, the shell, is secure enough so as to prevent a serious problem with that.

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The other way you could do it is you could try and create some floater that follows along.

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But again, this is really up to the hackers to figure out.

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But we're really going to try and push you guys on the edges of how much power can you pack into one of those things and make it operate untethered?

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And how are you going to get it to communicate?

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And by the way, if you get really smart ways to communicate...

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I'm just assuming other people are going to be messing with you too.

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I could be wrong about that, but I'm guessing they're gonna.

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So the undersea problem is a real one.

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The other problem that we're talking about for swimmers is orientation.

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So for bottom-crawling bots, they've got the ground they can orient, right?

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So now they're left with four directions, forward, back, left, and right.

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Similarly for floaters, you're going to be on the water surface, forward, back, left, and right.

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But if you're a swimmer, you have two more dimensions to worry about, and that's up-down.

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So if you're thinking about trying to orient yourself in the water, not only do you have to figure out where you are with no real touch points, but you've got six directions to worry about.

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So again, I don't know how our hackers are going to deal with it.

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I don't know what they're going to do to solve their problem, but I'm crossing my fingers for them.

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Grant, do you want to talk about the floater class?

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Um, yes.

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So actually, now that you're mentioning it, we talked with Brian, I talked with Brian about a number of different possible ideas and challenges.

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And we talked about having a stationary buoy that collects data, sensor data.

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And then we also talked about having a, like a robo boat, basically, a robot boat that moves around.

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And so for the, for the floater, are we talking about the moving version or the stationary?

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I, whichever one you're thinking about, I mean, this is for you guys to build out.

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Good luck.

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All right, yeah, okay.

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So then I think the simplest and probably the best thing to start with would be the stationary.

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That's going to stay in one place.

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So that is, for that it's, that technology is really critical for us because we would really like to know what the conditions are in our area and be able to put those stations in remote areas and collect data before we even decide to ever go there.

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So we can actually be collecting data and see what the conditions are year round.

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And if it's a hospitable place to put a seastead.

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So it'll just be there collecting data maybe for a year before we would actually move there.

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Like we'd collect wave height data.

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So we'd actually be able to collect the data on whether the buoy was going up and down, what the rate of going up and down is.

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So we'll be able to see what kind of waves we have.

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If we have really crazy out of control waves or if we have a slow and steady, very calm that you'd actually want to live in because living in big waves is not necessarily fun to do.

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Our homes are actually, we've engineered the homes so they actually float above the water.

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So we're suspended on a pole that is about two and a half meters above the wave area.

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So that makes us very comfortable, but still when it's really, really, when the conditions are really wavy, then it's still not nice to live in.

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So being able to collect all that data in advance is really good.

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And we also really want to have clear data that can show the current state of the environment before we put a seastead in that area, because we don't want to, three years from now, cause any kind of damage to the local marine environment.

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We want to make sure that our homes, we're actually engineering them so that they can be eco-restorative and not damaging.

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So for that, the more clear data we get as a reference, then that really helps us out a lot.

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Grant, I have a question from the audience, but I wanted to do just a follow-on question to what you're talking about, which is, is there a specific sort of climatological limit to where you're seasteading?

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What, I mean, is there, you were talking about Thailand, which is a pretty tremendous space, but are there places where you're like, this is just a terrible idea or the technology is not there yet?

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Is there an optimal zone for seasteading?

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Yes, there is.

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We are in Panama right now, and that is pretty much the optimal location to start because Panama is outside of the hurricane zone.

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There's a, I guess, seven or 800 kilometer band around the center of the earth, around the equator, where you don't have hurricanes, just because of the way the Coriolis effect of the earth works.

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You just can't get hurricanes in that area.

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So that's an ideal place to start because we don't have to worry about moving our home every year when the hurricane season starts again.

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So that's an ideal area.

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Obviously, a lot of people like being in warm, tropical, beautiful areas, and Panama has a lot of beautiful, untouched, green, jungly areas that are beautiful.

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And having your seastead close to land, so you have beautiful view of the mountains and the greeneries, it's really nice.

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So that kind of environment's really ideal versus putting it in the North Sea, in the Arctic somewhere, or someplace really cold with 100 foot waves.

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That's definitely someplace you don't want to be.

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We can engineer them for different conditions.

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Like our base of our seastead is actually built in the same base as a, like an oil rig.

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So we have these deep spars, which are poles that go deep into the water that have, that create the buoyancy.

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And then you have very heavy weight far below them, below the spar, and that gives you a lot of stability.

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So we have buoyancy as well as stability.

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And then we can just scale that up to something the size of an oil rig, which can be in pretty nasty conditions, but we, it's probably some place you don't want to live.

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Okay, so the question that came in is, do we see, are we aware of rovers or bots that use VR, virtual reality vision, navigation or virtual reality vision for operators?

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Do you see any advantage in that, or are more traditional methods of computer vision more useful?

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So this is a question about how the bot understands the environment that it's in.

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Grant, do you have any early thoughts on that?

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And then I will dial through my mental Rolodex and try and remember a time for the Navy.

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Go ahead.

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I think that would be the ideal condition for us to have as far as giving people a really good idea of what living on the water can be like, but actually like being able to have them either remotely or onsite, where they can actually put on a headset and like swim through the water and see underneath the water and see what's going on.

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If we could give that kind of experience to people either remotely or onsite, that they could actually experience it in that way, that would give a dimension that people haven't really had before and to be super interactive and be able to explore the area.

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And so from a tourist kind of point of view, or to get people kind of introduced to this whole new way of living and being, which is totally foreign to most people living on the ocean.

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That's a big step for most people.

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But if you can kind of have those baby steps to give them a little vision of some pretty incredible sights that you wouldn't normally see, that would be really, really fantastic.

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Yeah, so Grant, I agree.

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Like I think really, particularly for tourism, getting people to sort of buy in and understand what it's like to be down there.

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I mean, there's something...

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We are human, right?

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There's something compelling.

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We are sense animals.

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And if you can get more sense that a human can understand down there, that is super helpful.

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I will admit that to my knowledge, Navy, who is not particularly interested in human sense, but is more interested in sort of targeting, fixing, tracking, their challenge set is already super hard.

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So for instance, so if you're a big Navy asset and somebody has fired something at you from far, far away under the water, like your biggest concern is by the time you figured out where it is, if it has any self-guiding capabilities, then you're gonna try and counterfeit,

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that gets military really fast.

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You're gonna try and counter fire, but you have to try and guess where it's gonna be.

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And so a lot of that stuff isn't really VR relevant.

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Navy is really thinking about how do I stop someone from hitting me?

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Really, 99% of Navy's question is how do I avoid getting struck by something?

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And so, but I love the question about VR because I think it makes me think that we're not thinking broadly enough in the Navy about the way to onboard these new capabilities.

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Grant, I have another question for you, if you don't mind.

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Sure.

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Okay, so it says, do the homes have any built-in capability to collect data from the environment around them?

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So like, not just sort of like something you, but like in and of itself, built into the infrastructure of the seastead itself.

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Yes, we're building as many sensors as we can into homes to make them really, we want to make them smartest home on the sea.

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Well, they will be because there's not a lot of smart, really smart homes on the sea because we're the only ones building.

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So first level, we have a weather sensor that's on the roof that detects lightning strikes and detects UV, the wind direction and a whole host of data, humidity, temperature, barometric pressure.

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And so there's a long list of things that it collects right from there.

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We will have sensors inside that will detect movement because we want to be able to chart what the movement's like if we are getting, and say, if you're away from your home for a while and then your home starts moving around for some reason, we would like to be able to give you an alert.

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Maybe there's a big storm coming and you can call your neighbor and ask him to close the doors or something or close the windows or whatever.

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Or you can just do it remotely from your handheld, from your phone.

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So we're building a lot of sensors like that.

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I can't even, there's gonna be standard sensors, but environmental sensors, we'll have as many as we can.

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We would like to be able to detect the temperature of the water at different levels going down.

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We'd like to be able to turn each home basically into research station and document the environment, the marine environment we're in because we're not just trying to make homes on the water.

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We're trying to make homes that are a positive contribution to the environment.

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So part of doing that is to be able to assess what the environment is like and if we're improving it or not improving it.

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So we want to measure the turbidity, the alkalinity, the pH and all the same thing and other factors.

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So we can see if there's more life after they've, our homes have been in the water for a couple of years or a couple of months or whatever.

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When we had our home in Thailand after only two months of being in the water, it went from being like a desert basically under the water, which most of the water, most of the ocean is a desert when you get far away from the coast.

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And we're 13 miles away from the coast.

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So in that case, after two months, we went from having nothing around to having thousands and thousands of fish.

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So we like having that kind of success story and we'd like to be able to reproduce that.

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So we're gonna try to use sensors to collect as much data as we can.

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So this is a, I mean, so the, so sorry, I don't want to make this super military, but please forgive me, Grant.

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It's, you know, I have to translate for the war types of us out here.

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So you're talking about an ISR environment and where all that data is going.

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And I wonder what, so from a person who doesn't want everything to be about the military, but knows once the military gets a hold of something, they're gonna make it about the military.

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It's just, it's an interesting side effect of that mindset.

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Do you have any security concerns about the data that you're collecting being used against the countries where your homesteads are?

402
00:38:02,860 --> 00:38:05,740
That's a terrible, I'm super sorry I had to ask it.

403
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:06,880
I'm sorry.

404
00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:09,420
Yeah, no security is an issue.

405
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:10,400
Come on.

406
00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:41,180
Yeah, well, that's why I already spoke with Brian a couple, maybe a week ago about having all of our systems have security threat analysis done on, even each of our sensors, all the hardware we're going to be using, all of our systems, and then just have people try to hack it and see what they can come up with and try to patch as many of those things as possible.

407
00:38:42,760 --> 00:39:05,720
So we're going to, what we want to do is to be able to have all this data and you can get your Seastead and not put all this stuff in it, but I would like to be able to collect data and we can, as if you're an owner of the Seastead, you can have the option of having that data where that's available to you and only you,

408
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:17,800
and that's encrypted, and you're the only one that has access to it and we'll probably put it on a blockchain or whatever makes sense to, and then you can release the data if you want to share that with anyone else.

409
00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:35,800
If you want to share it with, like you can share it with just yourself, you can share it publicly, or you could share it just with like a management company that can see, okay, that the sensor at your house is showing that your water levels are getting really low and you need to,

410
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:41,260
I don't know, replace your something on your home because it's at a critical level.

411
00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:53,180
Or if your battery level's too low and your power system's not going to be able to continue and you're away, then we can come and help take care of that or management company can come in and take care of that.

412
00:39:53,180 --> 00:40:04,760
So there has to be, I think, different permission levels for where your data's going to go and there has to be really good testing to make sure hackers have a hard time getting in, as hard as possible.

413
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:21,700
Yeah, no, that's, I mean, it's interesting because we live in an era where seemingly innocuous information, right, I mean, this is the big debate, not to go super meta, but this is the big debate about, like, what's the harm in TikTok, right?

414
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:28,620
Like, what is the harm in, we can just say a company, but we can also say a country, right?

415
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,800
Both can be equally evil.

416
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:38,720
What is the harm in all of this seemingly innocuous data being built up?

417
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:59,800
And so not to, and honestly, everybody should tune in tomorrow for Grant's talk on C7 specifically, but just to sort of open the door a little bit, what kinds of concerns do you have about big data that you're collecting?

418
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,420
Like , have you thought through what someone might use that stuff for?

419
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:21,980
I'm an optimist, so I always look at, I always look towards the positive, so I'm looking at what amazing things we can do, because I genuinely, I'm not doing this because I need to do another project.

420
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:36,600
I'm doing this because I love doing this, and I want to do something that I think we can, I think when we build homes on land, we kind of destroy the land, and , you know, clear cut the forest, and that's not, you know, it's not a good, we're not being a good citizen of the planet.

421
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:51,640
But I think there's, what I saw last year in Thailand, with so much life all of a sudden just appearing after just two months, that gives us an opportunity to actually be a good citizen of the planet.

422
00:41:51,680 --> 00:42:08,160
So I'd like to, I see this as, I always look at the ways of making an improvement to the situation, and I think we can use data to help improve the restoration of coral reefs in the world.

423
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:17,720
So I'm going to, I'm going to plus up, because there's a question that's come through a little bit further about the telemetry data that you could collect passively from these seasteads.

424
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:34,340
And I'm going to ask it specifically because folks are asking, and then, and I realize we're going to run out of time here in about 14 minutes, but, and you and I will again, talk through and invite people to join us in next year's bot challenge.

425
00:42:34,340 --> 00:42:40,080
But the question again is, are you guys thinking about this from an educational standpoint?

426
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:54,800
Like this, the data you're collecting doesn't, I mean, you guys are looking to benefit the environment directly, but I mean, is there like, is there some sort of partnership or subsidies, like educational institutes?

427
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:05,400
Like, are you trying to partner to try and, and make all of this telemetry have effects beyond just the seasteading element?

428
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:13,020
About two weeks ago, we started reaching out to people that we could partner with.

429
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,800
I basically have 150 projects, like huge projects going on simultaneously.

430
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,200
So, and it's all filtering through me at the moment.

431
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,220
So that's a little bit- This is how we know you're a hacker.

432
00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:25,200
Go ahead.

433
00:43:26,340 --> 00:43:37,580
So I'm trying to bring more people on board to help distribute some of the research because there's just so much I can do.

434
00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:42,720
But I would, yeah, there's

435
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:47,320
a lot filtering through me right now.

436
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,840
So we need to get a better handle on that.

437
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:58,120
And then I think we'll be in a pretty good position to make, to do some really good things with the data.

438
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:08,080
So I guess partners, there's a lot of people we could partner with and that's just another project to find the right partners.

439
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:15,440
And I have started to, we have started to look, we've started to reach out to find the right people that would like to partner with us.

440
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,840
And we're open to, if anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears.

441
00:44:19,980 --> 00:44:24,560
Just send it in the chat or on the Seasteading channel.

442
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:26,680
Cool.

443
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,860
Thank you so much, Grant.

444
00:44:27,860 --> 00:44:31,040
All right, so we're going to round this out.

445
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:39,020
Actually, StrikePod has a question for us that I think we should probably address or at least take seriously as we build out our guidelines.

446
00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:44,720
He wants to know to what degree are COTS products allowed?

447
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:59,920
So consumer off the shelf products in building either your floater class or my swimmer class, can we buy some local bot for 300 bucks and then just repurpose it?

448
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:04,440
And does that stay within our open source guidelines requirement?

449
00:45:04,620 --> 00:45:14,720
And I realized that we're asking on the fly because I know you and I were going to try and sit down together and noodle out exactly what kinds of limitations we want to slap on these folks for next year.

450
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,680
But do you want to take a stab at COTS products?

451
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:22,800
And then I'll give my preliminary thoughts on that.

452
00:45:23,740 --> 00:45:38,520
Yeah, I really want to have this done in the open source and I guess if that interferes with that, then that's like kind of kills it.

453
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:52,880
So if you're buying something off the shelf and then modifying everything on top of that, I don't think that would give enough of a open source component.

454
00:45:53,400 --> 00:46:15,200
Maybe if there's a consumer part that, I don't know, is maybe like, I don't know, an off-the-shelf robot arm or something that could be plugged into the whole system and that wasn't an essential part of it, then I guess that could be acceptable.

455
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:25,040
But if you're just modifying an off-the-shelf aquatic drone, then I don't think that would be...

456
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:33,420
I think if the guts, the core guts of it are commercial and closed source, then I think that would be a killer.

457
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:37,280
I think I agree.

458
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,180
Again, we're doing this on the fly as we dream this up.

459
00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:52,820
And before we wrap out, I'm going to have Grant remind us of what he thinks the early speculation, what the floater class requirements are going to be.

460
00:46:52,820 --> 00:46:55,020
And I know he's been working up a sheet on that.

461
00:46:55,780 --> 00:47:04,120
But I am inclined to say that if you want to use a COTS product for pricing components, right?

462
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,120
So we have $1,000 limit on the swimmer class.

463
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:32,240
If you want to use a COTS product, you at a minimum need to show me that it has been reverse engineered such that you are really economizing on costs for private production of a servo, but you would at least have to prove to me that like, no, look, it's been reverse engineered and those reverse engineered components are available,

464
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,840
open source, and so a person can sit down and do that stuff.

465
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,720
I am just cutting to the chase.

466
00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:40,520
And I think that's fair, but you have to show me that it was the case.

467
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:55,960
And I think that, again, so for the swimmer class, we're going to have some gates that people are going to have to go through throughout the year, because we want to make sure that by the time we get to the pool in Las Vegas, we have got some, you know,

468
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,660
no shit, seriously interesting bots.

469
00:47:59,660 --> 00:48:01,200
They might be dumb, right?

470
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:14,020
They might be running into the wall repeatedly, but then we've got some bots that, you know, at a minimum, like our pool maker gear thought through and are going to behave in interesting ways that we had not anticipated.

471
00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:20,000
Then part of the fun of the hackerspace is just giving it a shot and seeing all the variation that emerges.

472
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:26,580
One of the most beautiful parts of this community is that everybody's teaching us different ways to go at a question.

473
00:48:26,580 --> 00:48:28,560
So we're not trying to close that down.

474
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,880
In fact, I'm trying to open it up, which is why we don't want this to be about COTS, right?

475
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:43,300
We don't want this to be about, we want you to show us all the ways in which you're coming at, I don't want you to tether for power in a curiously interesting way.

476
00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:47,680
You know, there's a lot of urine in Vegas pools.

477
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,160
Maybe you can use that as a power source, hard to say.

478
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,980
But you know, sort of speculate and then think your way through it.

479
00:48:54,420 --> 00:49:00,220
If we have any luck, we will be able to secure a Las Vegas pool to do this in.

480
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:08,140
And so, you know, really just try and get a tan a little bit so that you don't die under the Vegas sun.

481
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:22,700
And okay, so Grant, I want you, as we ramp out of the eight minutes left, give me, again, just to recap for the folks, give me the primary challenges, the floater class are going to come up against.

482
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:26,640
What are the primary, you're like, this, I think this is really the issue.

483
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:38,040
Well, the big piece of it would be to be able to collect data and store it, but also send it.

484
00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:39,100
And sending

485
00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:54,300
a distance on the water could be a little bit tricky, could be a little bit challenging, because we may not have a station nearby where we can just, we're just sitting there waiting for the data to come in.

486
00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:57,920
But to be useful, we have to be able to collect it.

487
00:49:57,980 --> 00:50:03,220
And some of these could be fairly remote in areas that are hard to get to.

488
00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:11,300
So it would be very advantageous to have as long of a transmission period as possible.

489
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:15,020
I don't know how I will test that in Vegas in a pool.

490
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,580
Good luck.

491
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:29,860
Yeah, so maybe we'll have a team three miles away and seeing if they can pick up the sensor data from the pool, that could possibly work.

492
00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:33,060
So that's going to be really important.

493
00:50:33,060 --> 00:50:39,800
Being able to check wave height is really important.

494
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,300
Interesting, yes.

495
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:43,420
I'm sorry, I haven't been thinking about surface vehicles.

496
00:50:43,420 --> 00:50:44,580
Oh, you're totally right.

497
00:50:44,580 --> 00:50:45,880
Okay, go on, sorry.

498
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,600
It didn't mean to interrupt, duh.

499
00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:48,960
All right, go ahead.

500
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:57,640
We would like to be able to know how big the waves are, what the period between the waves is.

501
00:50:57,860 --> 00:51:00,680
So all that data is really useful.

502
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:06,760
We'd like to find out if there's a way to find out the direction of the waves from sensors.

503
00:51:07,140 --> 00:51:10,520
And I was trying to figure out myself how I would do that.

504
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:23,660
And I haven't put too much thought into it, but I haven't come up with the solution on how to do that just with sensors, unless we brought AI or machine learning in and had cameras to be able to do that.

505
00:51:23,660 --> 00:51:25,520
Oh, I have so many ideas right now.

506
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:26,660
Go on, sorry.

507
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:31,760
Come on, we need a flat surface and a couple levels and you know, you know.

508
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,000
Sorry, go ahead.

509
00:51:34,980 --> 00:51:42,460
Then, so just standard, we can collect standard weather data as well.

510
00:51:44,780 --> 00:51:49,840
Probably we'd want to know lightning data as well.

511
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:58,780
If there's a lot of lightning strikes in that area, we might not love to be in that area if there's a lot of lightning coming down in that area.

512
00:51:58,780 --> 00:52:01,720
So that's a condition.

513
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:09,860
So we're going to see which are the most important items for us to have on this list as a final specification.

514
00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:11,980
Solar powered would be nice.

515
00:52:11,980 --> 00:52:18,300
So they can last as long as possible and we don't have to go out and change the batteries every week.

516
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,900
If it could be continually charged, that would be ideal.

517
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,260
So those are, I think, some of the more important things.

518
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:47,560
And of course, collecting any kind of water data we can, like pH or salinity, temperature, turbidity, cameras under the water that can identify fish with machine learning would be really cool as well.

519
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:48,640
Oh, interesting.

520
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:49,560
Wow.

521
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,520
So that's, so honestly, that's going to be VR, right?

522
00:52:53,520 --> 00:53:02,260
That is going to be, I mean, I don't, I don't think anyone's got a, I don't think anyone's got a massive database of fish signatures.

523
00:53:02,260 --> 00:53:04,700
I mean, maybe tuna, if you're lucky.

524
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,360
Gosh, I don't, yeah, that's really interesting.

525
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:14,380
I hadn't thought about that before, but yeah, like what does a fish look like and how is it not a plastic bag?

526
00:53:14,380 --> 00:53:17,060
And interesting, interesting.

527
00:53:17,060 --> 00:53:17,740
Okay.

528
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:18,600
All right.

529
00:53:19,620 --> 00:53:26,460
So from a naval perspective, and you folks know me, like I don't have to talk.

530
00:53:26,460 --> 00:53:34,140
I will talk from this perspective because I think, because I think it's different, because I think it's complete contrast into what Grant's talking about.

531
00:53:34,140 --> 00:53:35,680
And I love what Grant's talking about.

532
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:36,840
I think it's fascinating.

533
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:37,820
It's amazing.

534
00:53:37,820 --> 00:53:39,360
It's useful for the future.

535
00:53:40,940 --> 00:53:45,180
But in contrast, right, like what are some other kinds of challenges?

536
00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:48,500
So Grant's talking about survival of a floater.

537
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,000
He's talking about persistence.

538
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,140
He's talking about integrity of the data long enough so you can fetch it back.

539
00:53:54,140 --> 00:54:08,660
And I think that all of those things also matter when it comes to things like how do, how does a Navy project power, or at least protect vessels that are going along in the sea?

540
00:54:08,660 --> 00:54:21,020
Like one of the real issues of play for Navy is, for all Navies, not just the US Navy, is how do we protect where so much of the world's commerce comes from?

541
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:29,960
So for folks who don't know, right, all the items, probably the vast majority of the items that you have running around in your house come to you via a boat.

542
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,660
They come via a ship.

543
00:54:31,660 --> 00:54:33,260
They float on the surface.

544
00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:41,600
And one of the things that Navies and Coast Guards are required to do is ensure the safe passage of these objects, right?

545
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,240
And if we're all impatient Amazon consumers, then we want it now.

546
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,540
And so the question is, you know, how do you prevent those kinds of delays?

547
00:54:50,540 --> 00:54:53,780
How do you ensure freedom of navigation, freedom of the sea?

548
00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:55,380
So it's a Navy question.

549
00:54:56,140 --> 00:55:06,420
For Navy, the biggest concerns are about following things.

550
00:55:06,780 --> 00:55:18,980
The biggest concerns for the Navy are which of these, we call them white, we call those white ships, white ships being ships that aren't out there with a military capacity.

551
00:55:18,980 --> 00:55:26,260
They're there to, you know, bring tourists around or they're there to move cargo from China to the US, right?

552
00:55:26,260 --> 00:55:27,600
This is white.

553
00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:32,640
So how do you tell the difference between white and other forces?

554
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:48,180
How do you then, once you've identified these other elements that could be doing terrible things or might be trying to do terrible things, how do you follow them in a meaningful way without having to send out a ship and literally follow it, right?

555
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:57,600
And so really the question for the floater's flimmer class for us is about locating something almost passively, right?

556
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:04,860
From an ISR perspective, almost passively, just being able to sort of map who's who in the zoo and where are you heading this week?

557
00:56:04,860 --> 00:56:12,720
And honestly, so Gary Kessler is gonna talk to you folks actually in the next hour, I think, about hacking AIS.

558
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:21,020
And AIS is the system by which all ships voluntarily share their data, their tracking data as they transit the seas.

559
00:56:21,020 --> 00:56:25,500
And there's a real reason to be concerned about that system.

560
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:31,540
And so we'll worry about that security in the next session.

561
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,960
Anyway, so we're gonna say goodbye because I think we're down to our last minute.

562
00:56:36,740 --> 00:56:38,280
I love you all.

563
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,840
Talk to you all soon and I miss...

564
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,880
Go ahead, Grant, say goodbye.

565
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:44,240
Thank you, everyone.

566
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,440
I look forward to seeing you tomorrow on my talk.

567
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,660
I think it's at 10 o'clock in the morning.

568
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:51,820
Thanks, everybody.

569
00:56:51,820 --> 00:56:52,620
Bye.