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660	3340	Hey, SafeMode. Welcome to Hack to C.
3360	6100	I'm Kitty, and I'm here to give you a brief explainer
6100	8960	on what UUVs are and what their challenges are.
9460	13680	So essentially, a UUV is an unmanned underwater vehicle,
13680	14820	or as I like to say,
14820	17960	an unpersonned or uncrewed underwater vehicle.
18100	20240	Underneath the category of a UUV,
20240	21980	there are two central subtypes.
21980	24620	There's the AUV, the autonomous underwater vehicle,
24620	27460	and the ROV, the remotely operated vehicle.
27460	29240	And the key difference between these two
29240	33820	is one is a self-guided, self-contained system, the AUV,
33820	36320	and it makes its own decisions and completes its own tasks
36320	38520	without human guidance or interference.
38520	43160	The ROV, conversely, is usually a tethered system,
43160	44620	but either way, it's connected to a human
44620	47020	who's helping the machine complete its tasks
47020	49520	and go along its guidance.
50160	51780	Essentially, what we're talking about here
51780	53480	are maritime robots.
53560	55980	So why do we need maritime robots?
55980	58080	Well, most of it is about exploring
58080	60160	or extracting stuff from the ocean.
60160	62280	And what we know about humans and the ocean
62280	64600	is that if you put a human under the water
64600	67020	on a long enough timeline, they tend to die.
67020	70040	So the history of the development of technologies
70040	71500	for exploration and extraction
71500	74500	used to be about putting a suit around a human
74500	78040	or putting a crew inside some sort of undersea shelter
78040	80800	that would allow them to do the things they wanted to do.
80800	82680	And that timeline is quite long.
82680	84100	So what you're looking at in this image
84100	86420	is an atmospheric diving suit.
86420	88840	And that, I think, is an image from 2014.
89040	92740	But more interestingly, the submarine you're looking at,
93220	96740	what essentially looks like a barrel with a window on it,
97250	99260	that model is from the 1700s.
99260	100920	So the history of trying to extract
100920	103080	and explore the ocean is quite long.
103480	106100	The other thing that we tend to do under the ocean,
106100	108560	largely brought on by a number of world wars,
108560	112000	is we do tend to do fighting underneath the sea.
112000	113020	And what you're looking at here
113020	115760	is an example of an unmanned torpedo.
115760	117620	So the way this works is,
117620	120800	this person sits atop this torpedo,
120800	125080	and in front of this person is a timed warhead.
125080	128660	And what they do is they guide the torpedo to its location.
128660	131900	The driver then drives the manned torpedo
131900	133660	over near the enemy ship,
133660	135200	attaches the warhead,
135200	138100	and then drops and runs as,
138100	140900	or swims as fast as they can to get away.
141020	144120	So presumably, the people signing up for this job
144120	146040	probably drew the short straw.
146300	149640	But this is much of what drives the development,
149640	153680	at least for militaries, for the creation of a UUV,
153680	156860	because this is a high-risk environment.
157380	159460	So what we're asking to do at Hack the Sea
159460	161420	is for you guys to start thinking about ways
161420	163480	to create some battle bots.
163480	165480	And so I have three essential,
165480	167100	easier and harder design sets
167100	168800	that you want to start thinking about
168800	173340	if you want to play next year at DEFCON 29.
173340	175980	So the easier way to think about this is to tether.
175980	178560	And so if you wanted to engage in your battle,
178560	180320	and you wanted to tether your bot,
180320	182820	you certainly have a lot of access to power,
182820	184720	you certainly have a lot of access to data,
184720	186940	and your maneuver capability is higher.
186940	188620	But this is the easy model.
188620	190880	And in all honesty, I would be surprised
190880	194360	if we allowed people to operate tethered in this way.
194360	195340	The harder challenge,
195340	197620	and the one I think we want to see you guys do,
197620	201240	is the untethered, remotely operated robot.
201240	202820	But we will come out with guidance
202820	204580	on that challenge pretty soon.
204580	206160	But the problem with that untethered,
206160	209400	remotely operated robot is that under the water,
209400	211100	radio frequency doesn't work.
211100	214800	And so you're pretty much left with sound and maybe light.
214800	216560	And so good luck on that.
216560	218780	And we look forward to seeing what you come up with.
219180	220740	Another challenge that you want to think about
220740	223200	is where on the water do you want to be?
223200	225520	And we will have separate challenges for that.
225520	227740	But essentially there are three general positions.
227740	229700	There's your floaters, there's your swimmers,
229700	231420	and there's your bottom crawlers.
231420	234020	So your floaters will obviously have more access to light
234020	235880	and potentially communication.
236040	239020	Your bottom crawlers will be in their most austere position,
239020	240960	but they will at least be able to locate
240960	241980	where they are in the water
241980	243700	because they can touch the bottom.
243800	245760	And interestingly and quite challengingly,
245760	246960	there are your free swimmers,
246960	249080	and who even knows how you're going to figure out
249080	251320	how to orient yourself in that condition.
251800	253620	The other thing that you need to start thinking about
253620	254760	is how to power it.
254760	257620	So the way the military powers things,
257620	259020	particularly with submarines,
259020	261260	is either nuclear power or diesel-electric.
261260	263160	These are probably not two categories
263160	264420	you'll be allowed to use.
264420	267320	So I look forward to seeing what you guys come up with.
268160	270600	That is about it for my explainer on UUVs.
270600	272020	I didn't want to take it on too long,
272020	273400	but I do want to say that I know
273400	275020	that you see me wearing a bow tie,
275020	276540	and that bow tie is really because
276540	280680	I want to dedicate this talk to a friend,
280800	282960	a colleague, and a mentor, Will Bundy,
282960	285280	who passed away this last December.
285280	288160	He was a huge part of the Naval War College's
288160	289740	move toward innovation,
289740	292300	and he was a big proponent of thinking about
292920	295380	all sorts of unmanned autonomous systems.
295380	297680	And so I just wanted to say thanks,
297680	299340	and we miss you.
300840	302500	And now that that's done,
302500	304380	I figured I would have a little fun
304380	305600	at the back end of this video.
305600	309520	So I tried to think about how to
310660	312600	work in some sort of reference
312600	316100	and a tie between a cocktail and this video,
316100	318280	and I couldn't, so we're just gonna make a cocktail.
319260	320780	So what you're gonna need,
320780	322000	let me move my camera,
322000	324700	in order to make a Manhattan in the style
324700	326160	that I make a Manhattan,
327260	331780	is you're going to need some bourbon,
331780	335100	and you're going to need some vermouth,
335100	337400	you're gonna need some bitters,
337400	339880	some cherries, some ice,
341140	344400	and a way to stir it.
346280	347560	Let's give it a shot.
355580	358600	Okay, so I tend to make a pretty stiff Manhattan,
358600	360160	so I just want to warn you in advance
360160	361960	if you follow my proportions,
362900	365160	be prepared for a stiff drink.
365280	367000	So you're gonna start with your bourbon.
367000	368540	I have here something I bought
368540	370520	from a local distillery, Filibuster.
370520	372920	It's a really nice standard bourbon.
372920	373600	They call it a whiskey
373600	375500	because they age it in a different way.
375500	379080	So you're gonna take two and a half parts of bourbon.
380840	382060	That's one,
385140	386020	two,
386020	387340	and a half.
388380	389760	You're gonna grab some vermouth,
389860	390560	a sweet vermouth.
390560	393540	I tend to use this thing called Carpano Antica,
393540	394920	which is considered an Amaro,
394920	396200	but that's fancy words.
396200	397620	Just get a sweet vermouth.
397620	399720	You'll learn over time what your favorites are,
399720	401280	and I do one part of that.
404480	406160	And then I'm gonna put my bitters in.
406160	407820	So I go with two different kinds of bitters.
407820	409100	I go with Angostura bitters,
409100	411680	and then a little bit of what's called Tiki bitters.
411680	413680	But really, you should play around as much
413680	414480	as you want with the bitters
414480	415860	until you find out whether you like
415860	417180	that deep, Christmassy flavor
417180	418320	or something more peppery,
418320	420040	but that's entirely up to you.
420120	422080	Put a little bit of this in here.
425140	427320	Healthy dash of Angostura bitters.
429780	431260	And the thing that I find that's most common
431260	432240	and most interesting and important
432240	433720	and also controversial,
433720	437200	is I believe strongly in allowing the flavor
437200	438980	of the cherry to come into the Manhattan.
439120	442540	And so often what I'll do when I buy my cherries,
443440	446780	is when I put the cherry in the drink.
449740	451800	There, see, this is a tethering cherry.
452300	454760	And I put just a little bit of the cherry juice
455360	456680	into the Manhattan to give it
456680	458900	just a little bit more cherry flavor.
460500	462500	In the real world, you should be stirring this
462500	464340	for somewhere 20 and 30 seconds
464340	466000	to get that temperature way down there
466000	467680	and to mix all the sugars together.
475470	479030	And I have forgotten my skimmer,
479030	480830	so I'll just put my finger down here.
487910	489310	That's how you make a Manhattan.
490750	492670	I will say for anybody who makes it all the way
492670	493670	to the end of this video,
493670	494890	hit me up at Defcon 29
494890	497810	and I will definitely help you make your own Manhattan.
498070	499650	I look forward to seeing you guys.
500470	501590	Hmm.
502290	504390	I look forward to seeing the battle bots.
504390	505550	Take care.
513830	515410	Thanks guys.
517880	520000	Turn this one off.
520180	521020	All right.
521020	524520	Let me turn my, no, my camera's on.
524520	527140	Hey guys, I wanted to say thank you.
527140	529180	I don't know why my camera's off.
529500	532540	Share my screen.
532540	533120	Who knows?
533120	534040	Anyway.
535220	537480	In all seriousness,
538340	541520	the challenge that we're dreaming up for Hack to See,
542680	547140	we're hoping to play out in 2021.
547860	550260	And the kind of challenge we're really looking for
551600	553060	is gonna be a hard,
553060	555060	just try and do this the hard way, right?
555060	558840	So there are gonna be two categories or classes
558840	562740	and I wanna talk a little bit about the swimmers
562740	564580	and then I'm gonna kick it over to Grant
564580	567140	and Grant is gonna talk a little bit
567140	568620	about the floaters.
568660	573760	And so, and while I'm doing this part of the preso,
573760	577680	feel free to text in some questions and answers.
577680	579180	And then after Grant talks a little bit
579180	581300	about his challenge on floaters,
581300	584340	I wanna kick it over in a very weird way.
584340	585680	You're gonna listen to him on my phone
585680	587880	because we can't get his audio enabled.
588540	592760	You're gonna listen to Dave talk about undersea IOT,
592760	596860	which is a growing commonality in the water.
596860	598540	So, okay, so here's the deal.
598640	601920	Next summer, we would like to see you folks
601920	605620	bring some bots to battle in the water.
605620	611240	The swimmer class is going to hopefully operate untethered.
611240	612620	Now, what does that mean?
612620	614860	That means that all of that,
614860	616740	all those advantages you have normally
616740	620260	by attaching a tether to your bot
620260	622200	so that it can go through an obstacle course
623080	625140	aren't gonna be there.
626200	628440	In particular, one of your greatest challenges
628440	629900	is going to be power,
629900	631940	and the other one is gonna be cons with your bot
631940	633160	to get it to go through a system.
633160	635260	You have all the opportunities you want.
635260	636660	If you wanna make it an AUV,
636660	638480	if you wanna make it autonomous, that's great,
638480	640420	but you gotta be careful, right?
640420	642120	Because it's an obstacle course.
642120	643700	So here are the general rules.
643700	645160	And then as we go forward,
645160	648340	we will be sending out specifics and guidelines.
648340	650640	But in general, we're hoping that your bot
650640	653620	will not be any bigger than checked luggage.
653620	656760	Ideally, it will be about the size of carry-on luggage.
656760	657820	Why did we do that?
657820	660660	We did that because we need you to get your bot to Vegas.
660660	662260	And in order to get your bot to Vegas,
662260	663600	it's gotta fit in some luggage.
663600	665980	Otherwise, you'll have a hell of a time getting it here.
666180	669040	So, checked luggage or carry-on luggage,
669040	670280	and we'll be more specific
670280	673400	about dimensions going on going forward.
673420	675120	I can automatically tell
675120	676780	that some of you are gonna wanna know,
676780	680400	can it fit in checked luggage and then I can unfold it?
680780	682440	Probably, but we'll figure it out.
682440	686000	Ideally, your bot's gonna be untethered for power.
686080	687760	We can talk later about whether or not
687760	689360	you can do a glider motion,
689360	691060	which is your bot can be underwater
691060	693940	and then come up for comms and then go back down again.
695560	697160	That's a valid design.
697160	698140	We'll think about it.
698140	701920	And again, we'll have clear guidelines here going forward.
702180	705160	We're thinking no more than $1,000 expenditures.
705160	707620	So, for those of you who are in makerspaces,
707620	709020	if you wanna put a team together
709020	711820	and start thinking about how to build this,
711820	714940	we really don't want you to be buying the Gucci set.
715260	717320	Cobble this together, make it work,
717320	718760	but do it the hard way.
718760	721000	And we're looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
721000	725320	Like I said, reach out to me or reach out to Hack the Sea.
725320	726800	We're at hackthesea.org.
727300	729660	And we will have, in the coming weeks,
729660	732300	the exact specifications and the gateways
732300	734340	and challenges to get us moving forward.
734440	736880	And if you have any other questions, I'm here.
736880	738800	But at this point, I'm gonna kick it over to Grant,
738800	742440	hopefully, and Grant will talk about the floater class.
744480	745800	Hello.
746120	747140	How are you?
747140	748460	All right.
749000	750940	Very excited to be here.
750940	754020	My name is Grant from Ocean Builders.
754020	755620	We are seasteaders.
755620	758700	We are the ones that are famous
758700	763660	for building a floating home in the water in Thailand.
763660	766220	Let me see if I can share my screen here.
769690	771150	Maybe that's not working.
771750	773630	Okay, maybe I can't share my screen.
773630	774130	Can you hear me?
774130	774830	Okay.
776570	777510	Okay.
777890	779630	Now something went wrong.
779630	780770	Okay, there it is.
780770	783150	Okay, so maybe I can't share my screen.
783570	786190	I was gonna show you some images
786190	789810	of the original seastead that we built in Thailand
790420	794010	that was very famously attacked by the Thai Navy
795050	801390	and ended up turning into a 10-day manhunt by the Thai Navy.
801390	803330	So it was a very interesting story.
803330	805030	Right now, a book is being written about it
805030	807250	as well as a screenplay for a movie.
807250	811370	So I'll talk more about that in my official talk tomorrow.
811830	816790	But I wanted to talk here about the challenge
816790	819470	we're going to be doing for a floater.
819670	821530	And for seasteading,
821530	823070	something that's really important for us
824350	827190	is to be able to have advanced warning
827190	829070	if there's big waves
829070	835190	or see what's actually going on in the area around us.
836010	837850	So we would like to have some notice
837850	840810	that there's big storms coming up and things like that.
841730	843910	And also another purpose is to be able
843910	846890	to observe the marine ecosystem around us.
847170	853430	So we want to build what we call an aqua boy,
853430	856150	like not a aqua boy, like a man,
856150	858410	but the actual boys that float in the water
859050	861550	and fill it with as many sensors
861550	866370	that can give us very useful information as possible.
866430	870470	So useful information can be water temperature,
870470	875110	pH levels, salinity, turbidity,
875110	878750	maybe even cameras connected and collect some data
878750	881470	or maybe even have machine learning.
881830	883930	So we'll be putting together the specifications
883930	886570	on exactly what all the details are.
886570	892170	We already have a bit of a cheat sheet pinned on our channel.
892210	895270	So you can go and download what we have already.
895270	896410	It's already there.
896410	898170	And we'll just give you some information
898170	902050	on the ideas that we have for what that is.
902050	905070	And we'll revise that as we go along here.
905070	908090	But we're pretty close to what we want
908090	910370	for the specifications of what would be there.
911990	916270	Ideally, we would have a maximum price and size, of course.
916510	918470	It should be something you should be able to bring to Vegas,
918470	919530	like Nina was saying,
919530	921610	you should be able to transport it there.
921610	923630	Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.
925290	927430	And it would look like,
927430	929910	it could look like something like a normal buoy
929910	931670	that you see floating in the water
931670	936070	that is kind of used for the red and green buoys
936070	938290	that you see for direction for boats
938290	942090	to navigate through some waterways.
942090	946090	It could be very similar to those in kind of shape.
946610	951210	And it can take, you know, can take under the water,
951210	954330	there would be a sensor array above the water.
954330	956610	There can be sensors in them as well.
956990	962710	So it's really unfortunate I can't share my screen,
962710	968270	but I'll maybe have that solved for the next talk.
968290	968990	Tomorrow.
968990	973090	And so I can go through a few of the details here
973090	974250	that we had.
974250	978410	There's also a link to join the challenge.
978410	981210	So if anyone here wants to look at the challenge
981210	984590	or look at some of the challenges we have
984590	987190	that we're going to be doing over the next year,
987190	990470	there's a link to a little survey signup form
990470	993570	where you can actually put your name and information
993570	997210	and kind of check off what your interests are.
997210	1000470	And I think we have something very unique
1000470	1003550	because we are, like, this is Hack the Sea.
1003550	1006150	Everyone's here to find out how to hack the sea.
1006550	1011270	And this is, I think, a really interesting opportunity.
1011270	1013690	We're at the time where all these technologies now exist
1013690	1016790	for us to be able to do some really fantastic things
1016790	1017750	on the ocean.
1018010	1020950	And so we're out there doing it.
1021270	1022390	We're seasteaders.
1022390	1023990	We're actually building hardware.
1023990	1025670	We're actually making things happen.
1026490	1029390	People have been talking about building a city on the sea
1029390	1031690	for decades, but no one's actually done it.
1031690	1034110	So we're actually the first ones that are actually
1034110	1037470	putting hardware together and putting it in the water.
1037470	1040490	So we're really excited about being able to reach people
1040490	1044170	and reach out to a community of hackers
1044170	1045870	that likes building things
1045870	1047470	and is passionate about building things
1047990	1052730	and can help us to move everything forward.
1052730	1054350	We're really looking for kind of...
1054350	1056750	We're here mostly to do a call of action,
1056750	1059310	to say, okay, here's the opportunities.
1059310	1062070	The sea is wide open with all these incredible opportunities
1062070	1063570	of what we can do.
1063890	1068370	And I think now's a really amazing time
1068370	1071930	to actually bring all these things together,
1071930	1074870	do a call of action here to anyone that wants to participate
1074870	1077830	and help us do some really interesting things.
1077830	1080710	So we'll give a longer talk tomorrow.
1080710	1085550	We'll have some videos and presentations around the whole thing.
1085850	1090450	But I think we can probably pass it along back to Nina,
1090450	1094130	who's going to patch through with Dave on the phone.
1094130	1095730	Thanks a lot, Grant.
1095790	1097810	Yep, so we got Dave on the phone.
1097810	1102350	I do want to say, just as an addition to Grant's commentary here,
1102350	1109590	we aren't looking to have people bring their proprietary source stuff, right,
1109590	1110610	to the battle.
1110610	1114890	We're looking for open source hardware and software on this one, right?
1114890	1116130	Want to be able to share.
1116130	1117190	That's the way that works.
1117190	1124330	And so look for that to be a requirement in the battle guidelines.
1124330	1127510	And so, all right, so this is awkward as hell,
1127510	1132790	but I'm going to have Dave speak to you about the underwater IoT via my phone.
1132850	1133910	So I'm just going to...
1134390	1137830	I'm going to look to Grant to give me the thumbs up to see if he can hear Dave.
1137830	1139090	Dave, take it away.
1139090	1140970	Okay, can you hear me?
1142370	1145670	I hope I don't get too much feedback here.
1145950	1147430	So I'm kind of flying blind here.
1147430	1149030	I'll do the best that I can.
1151210	1154350	So I'm kind of flipping through my PowerPoint here.
1154910	1158510	I didn't actually hear Nina's video,
1158510	1161230	so I don't really know what she covered in terms of UUVs.
1161730	1166730	But, you know, just to sort of put things in context, I guess,
1168770	1175270	you know, UUVs, basically unmanned undersea vehicles, and, you know...
1175270	1176510	Dave, I'm going to cut you off.
1176510	1177090	Stand by one.
1177090	1177810	I'm going to cut you off.
1177810	1179210	We're getting way too much echo.
1179330	1180550	Here's what I'm going to do.
1180650	1184010	I think what we're going to do is we will...
1184010	1185710	I'm talking to the whole world now.
1187450	1189030	We're going to...
1189030	1191050	We may try and ask you to dial in tomorrow
1191050	1193530	and see if we can get you human plus status.
1193530	1195870	So for the universe out there,
1195870	1198410	unfortunately, Dave does not have human plus status.
1198410	1201470	And so the video and audio functions aren't working.
1201810	1205010	And so we'll have Imprezo out probably following Grant tomorrow,
1205010	1206790	but we'll see if we can spin up.
1206850	1209170	In the meantime, I'm going to take some questions
1210610	1213630	and I'll see if I can grab Dave's slides.
1213630	1215750	But just...
1215750	1219310	Yeah, and then just as a takeaway,
1220530	1225190	the undersea IOT stuff is actually really getting built out pretty aggressively.
1225190	1226990	Dave, what's the timeline you figure?
1232630	1235930	Within the next 10 years, next five or 10 years.
1238070	1239190	Okay.
1244920	1247940	As things progress with communications in the undersea,
1248740	1250260	that's the critical path.
1250260	1252300	Okay, Dave, we're going to have you...
1252300	1256840	We're going to get you added to tomorrow's jam.
1256840	1259580	So I'll do that on the back end and let me just take Q&A now.
1259580	1261140	So we'll talk to you in a couple of minutes, Dave.
1261140	1262280	Thanks so much for...
1262280	1263180	We'll get there.
1263180	1264260	Take it easy, man.
1266420	1270600	All right, Grant, if you want to unmute,
1270600	1273020	then we'll just take whatever questions come up.
1273640	1275720	Or we can just riff until then.
1276220	1280280	Well, I'm really excited to hear about the underwater IOT from Dave.
1280280	1283320	I'm glad to hear it.
1283700	1286640	So, okay, so why don't you and I talk about...
1286640	1288900	Why don't you and I talk about, like, why does it...
1288900	1291220	What's so hard about UUVs?
1291220	1293220	Like, why does that...
1293220	1295120	We have plenty of flying drones.
1295120	1298940	Like, what's the special challenge about being under the water?
1298940	1301180	And you can talk about this from the seasteading perspective
1301180	1303040	and I can talk about it from the naval perspective,
1303040	1304680	but I'll kick it off to you first.
1305440	1307620	Well, it's communication,
1307620	1310980	getting the data from whatever is...
1310980	1316640	When you're underwater, you can't send a radio signal above...
1316640	1318240	You know, it doesn't travel.
1318240	1321280	So that's the core problem.
1321280	1322260	So if we...
1322920	1323680	Go ahead.
1323880	1326920	If we can solve that, or if there's a solution
1326920	1333620	or some way of communicating, that would be incredible.
1333620	1335340	That could be a game changer.
1335800	1337440	So, I mean, I think this is...
1337440	1339920	This can't be stressed strongly enough
1339920	1343200	when I've been talking to roboticists who do undersea stuff.
1343380	1344860	One of the core challenges
1344860	1348420	and why people are talking about going autonomous with their robots
1348420	1350700	is this problem of communication.
1350700	1354300	So for those folks who don't play around in the water stuff,
1354300	1358000	radio frequency, the way in which comms work,
1358000	1362460	wireless comms, you know, the way in which our drones fly,
1362460	1365100	that is not a thing you get to do under the water.
1365100	1368340	You're left with two sources of signals under the water,
1368340	1372100	unless you count Dave's undersea IOT.
1372100	1374200	But you're really looking at light and sonar.
1374200	1376860	Grant, do you know of any other ways besides light and sonar?
1376860	1378040	Sound and light?
1378400	1379340	No.
1379340	1381460	Yeah, I'm not either.
1381460	1385280	So I'm curious to see what Dave has to see about an undersea IOT.
1386840	1389140	But really, so now you're talking about a bot
1389140	1392440	that is either working on delayed comms,
1392440	1394180	or if you're going to do light,
1394180	1396080	you got to worry about some other problems.
1396080	1399380	And so there are also additional issues,
1399380	1401280	which is the bathymetry of the water.
1401280	1402420	So how deep is it?
1402420	1405260	You get different pressure, the farther you go down,
1405260	1408720	you get different resistance on the hull itself.
1409180	1410660	Grant, are you familiar at all what happens
1410660	1412680	when you put a lithium ion battery
1412680	1415260	encased in a small shell and put it underwater?
1417680	1421340	No, I haven't really researched much on...
1421340	1424620	And if the battery off-gases, what do you have then?
1425440	1427580	You have a pipeline.
1429300	1431580	So the other problem we're going to deal with
1431580	1435560	in that UUV category is power.
1435880	1439140	And so this is a very serious issue,
1439140	1441800	that even if you get a really good lithium ion battery
1441800	1446240	in that bot, and it's operating autonomously underwater,
1446900	1449500	now you have to worry about whether or not
1450900	1454240	the encasement, the shell, is secure enough
1454240	1458040	so as to prevent a serious problem with that.
1458040	1460060	The other way you could do it is you could try
1460060	1462380	and create some floater that follows along.
1462380	1465420	But again, this is really up to the hackers to figure out.
1466760	1468940	But we're really going to try and push you guys
1468940	1471920	on the edges of how much power can you pack
1471920	1475280	into one of those things and make it operate untethered?
1475280	1476940	And how are you going to get it to communicate?
1477040	1478560	And by the way, if you get really smart ways
1478560	1479720	to communicate...
1482200	1484460	I'm just assuming other people are going to be messing
1484460	1485340	with you too.
1485340	1488600	I could be wrong about that, but I'm guessing they're gonna.
1488720	1491960	So the undersea problem is a real one.
1492020	1493420	The other problem that we're talking about
1493420	1496440	for swimmers is orientation.
1496720	1498520	So for bottom-crawling bots,
1498520	1500440	they've got the ground they can orient, right?
1500440	1502040	So now they're left with four directions,
1502040	1503600	forward, back, left, and right.
1503880	1506340	Similarly for floaters, you're going to be
1506340	1510020	on the water surface, forward, back, left, and right.
1510020	1512920	But if you're a swimmer, you have two more dimensions
1512920	1514700	to worry about, and that's up-down.
1514700	1517020	So if you're thinking about trying to orient yourself
1517020	1518820	in the water, not only do you have to figure out
1518820	1521140	where you are with no real touch points,
1521140	1523180	but you've got six directions to worry about.
1523180	1525120	So again, I don't know how our hackers
1525120	1525960	are going to deal with it.
1525960	1527820	I don't know what they're going to do to solve their problem,
1527820	1529940	but I'm crossing my fingers for them.
1531080	1533120	Grant, do you want to talk about the floater class?
1533840	1535500	Um, yes.
1535500	1538990	So actually, now that you're mentioning it,
1539360	1542360	we talked with Brian, I talked with Brian
1542830	1546860	about a number of different possible ideas and challenges.
1546860	1550260	And we talked about having a stationary buoy
1550260	1552620	that collects data, sensor data.
1552620	1556260	And then we also talked about having a,
1556960	1561640	like a robo boat, basically, a robot boat that moves around.
1562600	1566200	And so for the, for the floater,
1566200	1569080	are we talking about the moving version or the stationary?
1570080	1572300	I, whichever one you're thinking about,
1572300	1574080	I mean, this is for you guys to build out.
1574080	1574860	Good luck.
1575200	1576580	All right, yeah, okay.
1577280	1579880	So then I think the simplest
1580440	1582380	and probably the best thing to start with
1582380	1584480	would be the stationary.
1584480	1586180	That's going to stay in one place.
1586740	1590360	So that is, for that it's,
1590360	1592540	that technology is really critical for us
1592540	1594660	because we would really like to know
1595260	1597760	what the conditions are in our area
1597760	1603100	and be able to put those stations in remote areas
1603100	1606980	and collect data before we even decide to ever go there.
1607080	1608740	So we can actually be collecting data
1608740	1610980	and see what the conditions are year round.
1610980	1613920	And if it's a hospitable place to put a seastead.
1614020	1615700	So it'll just be there collecting data
1615700	1618840	maybe for a year before we would actually move there.
1619560	1623000	Like we'd collect wave height data.
1623000	1625540	So we'd actually be able to collect the data
1625540	1627880	on whether the buoy was going up and down,
1627880	1629800	what the rate of going up and down is.
1629800	1632400	So we'll be able to see what kind of waves we have.
1632400	1635500	If we have really crazy out of control waves
1635500	1638360	or if we have a slow and steady,
1638360	1640280	very calm that you'd actually want to live in
1641240	1645560	because living in big waves is not necessarily fun to do.
1646080	1647700	Our homes are actually,
1647700	1648700	we've engineered the homes
1648700	1650800	so they actually float above the water.
1650800	1653120	So we're suspended on a pole
1653120	1658000	that is about two and a half meters above the wave area.
1658100	1661540	So that makes us very comfortable,
1661540	1663380	but still when it's really, really,
1663380	1665120	when the conditions are really wavy,
1665120	1667920	then it's still not nice to live in.
1668220	1670440	So being able to collect all that data
1670440	1671800	in advance is really good.
1671800	1675180	And we also really want to have clear data
1675620	1681700	that can show the current state of the environment
1681700	1684440	before we put a seastead in that area,
1684980	1688380	because we don't want to, three years from now,
1688380	1689300	cause any kind of damage
1689300	1691180	to the local marine environment.
1691180	1693340	We want to make sure that our homes,
1693340	1694360	we're actually engineering them
1694360	1699120	so that they can be eco-restorative and not damaging.
1700040	1705160	So for that, the more clear data we get as a reference,
1705180	1707580	then that really helps us out a lot.
1707840	1709480	Grant, I have a question from the audience,
1709480	1712680	but I wanted to do just a follow-on question
1712680	1713580	to what you're talking about,
1713580	1719580	which is, is there a specific sort of climatological limit
1719580	1721620	to where you're seasteading?
1721620	1724600	What, I mean, is there, you were talking about Thailand,
1724600	1727420	which is a pretty tremendous space,
1727420	1729640	but are there places where you're like,
1729640	1730740	this is just a terrible idea
1730740	1732480	or the technology is not there yet?
1732480	1734840	Is there an optimal zone for seasteading?
1735640	1737280	Yes, there is.
1737740	1739880	We are in Panama right now,
1739880	1743440	and that is pretty much the optimal location to start
1744080	1747720	because Panama is outside of the hurricane zone.
1747900	1751640	There's a, I guess, seven or 800 kilometer band
1752260	1754560	around the center of the earth, around the equator,
1754560	1756340	where you don't have hurricanes,
1756340	1758300	just because of the way the Coriolis effect
1758300	1759700	of the earth works.
1759700	1762240	You just can't get hurricanes in that area.
1762240	1764060	So that's an ideal place to start
1764060	1767100	because we don't have to worry about moving our home
1767100	1771320	every year when the hurricane season starts again.
1771380	1773440	So that's an ideal area.
1774240	1777180	Obviously, a lot of people like being in warm,
1777180	1779100	tropical, beautiful areas,
1779100	1782240	and Panama has a lot of beautiful, untouched,
1782240	1786840	green, jungly areas that are beautiful.
1786880	1789200	And having your seastead close to land,
1789200	1791060	so you have beautiful view of the mountains
1791060	1793340	and the greeneries, it's really nice.
1793340	1795600	So that kind of environment's really ideal
1795600	1798680	versus putting it in the North Sea,
1798680	1800160	in the Arctic somewhere,
1800160	1804580	or someplace really cold with 100 foot waves.
1805540	1807960	That's definitely someplace you don't want to be.
1807960	1812220	We can engineer them for different conditions.
1812220	1815000	Like our base of our seastead is actually built
1815000	1818180	in the same base as a, like an oil rig.
1818180	1820400	So we have these deep spars,
1820400	1822140	which are poles that go deep into the water
1822140	1824240	that have, that create the buoyancy.
1824240	1827240	And then you have very heavy weight far below them,
1827240	1830920	below the spar, and that gives you a lot of stability.
1830920	1833400	So we have buoyancy as well as stability.
1833440	1836360	And then we can just scale that up to something
1836360	1837880	the size of an oil rig,
1837880	1840860	which can be in pretty nasty conditions,
1840860	1844540	but we, it's probably some place you don't want to live.
1846160	1850600	Okay, so the question that came in is,
1850600	1854320	do we see, are we aware of rovers or bots
1854320	1857240	that use VR, virtual reality vision,
1857840	1861200	navigation or virtual reality vision for operators?
1861200	1862220	Do you see any advantage in that,
1862220	1863300	or are more traditional methods
1863300	1865340	of computer vision more useful?
1865740	1869360	So this is a question about how the bot
1869360	1872540	understands the environment that it's in.
1872980	1874720	Grant, do you have any early thoughts on that?
1874720	1878020	And then I will dial through my mental Rolodex
1878020	1879640	and try and remember a time for the Navy.
1879640	1880060	Go ahead.
1881600	1884500	I think that would be the ideal condition
1884500	1890760	for us to have as far as giving people
1890980	1894780	a really good idea of what living on the water can be like,
1894780	1897540	but actually like being able to have them
1897540	1899700	either remotely or onsite,
1899700	1901620	where they can actually put on a headset
1901620	1905660	and like swim through the water
1905660	1908660	and see underneath the water and see what's going on.
1908660	1910580	If we could give that kind of experience
1910580	1913100	to people either remotely or onsite,
1913100	1917800	that they could actually experience it in that way,
1917800	1919880	that would give a dimension
1920420	1922700	that people haven't really had before
1923200	1924700	and to be super interactive
1924700	1926960	and be able to explore the area.
1927000	1930660	And so from a tourist kind of point of view,
1930660	1932700	or to get people kind of introduced
1932700	1936060	to this whole new way of living and being,
1936060	1939960	which is totally foreign to most people living on the ocean.
1939960	1942300	That's a big step for most people.
1942300	1944200	But if you can kind of have those baby steps
1944200	1945920	to give them a little vision
1945920	1948360	of some pretty incredible sights
1948360	1949360	that you wouldn't normally see,
1949360	1951700	that would be really, really fantastic.
1952240	1953580	Yeah, so Grant, I agree.
1953580	1957100	Like I think really, particularly for tourism,
1957800	1959260	getting people to sort of buy in
1959260	1961960	and understand what it's like to be down there.
1962080	1964340	I mean, there's something...
1964340	1965500	We are human, right?
1965500	1966900	There's something compelling.
1966900	1968080	We are sense animals.
1968080	1969440	And if you can get more sense
1969960	1971860	that a human can understand down there,
1971860	1973260	that is super helpful.
1973260	1975500	I will admit that to my knowledge,
1975500	1979240	Navy, who is not particularly interested in human sense,
1979240	1981780	but is more interested in sort of targeting,
1981780	1982820	fixing, tracking,
1982820	1986260	their challenge set is already super hard.
1986680	1988260	So for instance,
1989060	1991860	so if you're a big Navy asset
1991860	1994040	and somebody has fired something at you
1994040	1995960	from far, far away under the water,
1996880	1998480	like your biggest concern
1998480	2000960	is by the time you figured out where it is,
2000960	2003780	if it has any self-guiding capabilities,
2003780	2006620	then you're gonna try and counterfeit,
2006620	2008120	that gets military really fast.
2008120	2009320	You're gonna try and counter fire,
2009320	2011940	but you have to try and guess where it's gonna be.
2012440	2017180	And so a lot of that stuff isn't really VR relevant.
2017180	2018300	Navy is really thinking about
2018300	2020080	how do I stop someone from hitting me?
2020080	2022760	Really, 99% of Navy's question is
2022760	2025240	how do I avoid getting struck by something?
2026440	2030260	And so, but I love the question about VR
2030260	2031820	because I think it makes me think
2031820	2033580	that we're not thinking broadly enough in the Navy
2033580	2036500	about the way to onboard these new capabilities.
2036540	2039520	Grant, I have another question for you, if you don't mind.
2039520	2040340	Sure.
2040500	2042060	Okay, so it says,
2042060	2044540	do the homes have any built-in capability
2045040	2048040	to collect data from the environment around them?
2048040	2050220	So like, not just sort of like something you,
2050220	2051660	but like in and of itself,
2051660	2055200	built into the infrastructure of the seastead itself.
2056420	2060620	Yes, we're building as many sensors as we can into homes
2060620	2064520	to make them really,
2064520	2067300	we want to make them smartest home on the sea.
2067300	2069340	Well, they will be because there's not a lot of smart,
2069340	2070620	really smart homes on the sea
2070620	2072600	because we're the only ones building.
2074060	2078920	So first level, we have a weather sensor that's on the roof
2078920	2084860	that detects lightning strikes and detects UV,
2084860	2091880	the wind direction and a whole host of data,
2091880	2095420	humidity, temperature, barometric pressure.
2095420	2097320	And so there's a long list of things
2097320	2099260	that it collects right from there.
2099520	2104360	We will have sensors inside that will detect movement
2105180	2109460	because we want to be able to chart what the movement's like
2109460	2111160	if we are getting,
2111160	2113780	and say, if you're away from your home for a while
2113780	2116960	and then your home starts moving around for some reason,
2116960	2119120	we would like to be able to give you an alert.
2119120	2120820	Maybe there's a big storm coming
2120820	2122400	and you can call your neighbor
2122400	2124940	and ask him to close the doors or something
2124940	2127240	or close the windows or whatever.
2127680	2131580	Or you can just do it remotely from your handheld,
2131580	2132960	from your phone.
2133700	2138040	So we're building a lot of sensors like that.
2139040	2142820	I can't even, there's gonna be standard sensors,
2143860	2147820	but environmental sensors, we'll have as many as we can.
2147820	2150960	We would like to be able to detect the temperature
2151280	2154460	of the water at different levels going down.
2154460	2156640	We'd like to be able to turn each home
2156640	2158160	basically into research station
2158160	2162040	and document the environment, the marine environment we're in
2162040	2165600	because we're not just trying to make homes on the water.
2165600	2169440	We're trying to make homes that are a positive contribution
2169440	2170760	to the environment.
2170760	2173480	So part of doing that is to be able to assess
2173480	2174660	what the environment is like
2174660	2177380	and if we're improving it or not improving it.
2177380	2182880	So we want to measure the turbidity, the alkalinity,
2182880	2188900	the pH and all the same thing and other factors.
2188900	2195840	So we can see if there's more life after they've,
2195840	2198660	our homes have been in the water for a couple of years
2198660	2200220	or a couple of months or whatever.
2200220	2201500	When we had our home in Thailand
2201500	2204920	after only two months of being in the water,
2204920	2207700	it went from being like a desert basically under the water,
2207700	2210580	which most of the water, most of the ocean is a desert
2211780	2214340	when you get far away from the coast.
2214800	2217060	And we're 13 miles away from the coast.
2217060	2219540	So in that case, after two months,
2219540	2221480	we went from having nothing around
2221480	2223980	to having thousands and thousands of fish.
2224100	2226520	So we like having that kind of success story
2226520	2228280	and we'd like to be able to reproduce that.
2228280	2229620	So we're gonna try to use sensors
2229620	2232220	to collect as much data as we can.
2233080	2236400	So this is a, I mean, so the, so sorry,
2236400	2239000	I don't want to make this super military,
2239000	2240500	but please forgive me, Grant.
2240620	2241980	It's, you know, I have to translate
2241980	2244540	for the war types of us out here.
2244940	2247000	So you're talking about an ISR environment
2247000	2248580	and where all that data is going.
2248580	2254300	And I wonder what, so from a person
2254300	2257500	who doesn't want everything to be about the military,
2257500	2262500	but knows once the military gets a hold of something,
2262500	2264640	they're gonna make it about the military.
2265100	2271840	It's just, it's an interesting side effect of that mindset.
2271840	2274180	Do you have any security concerns
2274180	2276240	about the data that you're collecting
2276240	2282080	being used against the countries where your homesteads are?
2282860	2285740	That's a terrible, I'm super sorry I had to ask it.
2285740	2286880	I'm sorry.
2287340	2289420	Yeah, no security is an issue.
2289420	2290400	Come on.
2290460	2295660	Yeah, well, that's why I already spoke with Brian
2295820	2301060	a couple, maybe a week ago about having all of our systems
2302020	2305200	have security threat analysis done on,
2306160	2308560	even each of our sensors,
2308560	2311360	all the hardware we're going to be using,
2311360	2312760	all of our systems,
2312760	2315220	and then just have people try to hack it
2315220	2317520	and see what they can come up with
2317520	2321180	and try to patch as many of those things as possible.
2322760	2325080	So we're going to, what we want to do
2325080	2327780	is to be able to have all this data
2327780	2329940	and you can get your Seastead
2329940	2331900	and not put all this stuff in it,
2331900	2334740	but I would like to be able to collect data
2335940	2340220	and we can, as if you're an owner of the Seastead,
2340220	2342600	you can have the option of having that data
2342600	2345720	where that's available to you and only you,
2345720	2347100	and that's encrypted,
2347100	2349600	and you're the only one that has access to it
2349600	2351200	and we'll probably put it on a blockchain
2351200	2353160	or whatever makes sense to,
2353160	2355140	and then you can release the data
2355140	2357800	if you want to share that with anyone else.
2358780	2360640	If you want to share it with,
2360640	2362380	like you can share it with just yourself,
2362380	2363300	you can share it publicly,
2363300	2366280	or you could share it just with like a management company
2366280	2370340	that can see, okay, that the sensor at your house
2370340	2373820	is showing that your water levels are getting really low
2373820	2376540	and you need to, I don't know,
2376540	2379660	replace your something on your home
2379660	2381260	because it's at a critical level.
2381260	2384000	Or if your battery level's too low
2384000	2387220	and your power system's not going to be able to continue
2387220	2390720	and you're away, then we can come and help take care of that
2390720	2393180	or management company can come in and take care of that.
2393180	2395680	So there has to be, I think, different permission levels
2395680	2397540	for where your data's going to go
2397540	2399880	and there has to be really good testing
2399880	2403120	to make sure hackers have a hard time getting in,
2403120	2404760	as hard as possible.
2405000	2408480	Yeah, no, that's, I mean, it's interesting
2408480	2409460	because we live in an era
2410800	2413640	where seemingly innocuous information,
2413640	2416000	right, I mean, this is the big debate,
2416000	2418200	not to go super meta,
2418200	2419600	but this is the big debate about,
2419600	2421700	like, what's the harm in TikTok, right?
2421700	2424420	Like, what is the harm in,
2425090	2426300	we can just say a company,
2426300	2428620	but we can also say a country, right?
2428700	2431800	Both can be equally evil.
2432240	2435700	What is the harm in all of this
2435700	2438720	seemingly innocuous data being built up?
2438800	2443140	And so not to, and honestly,
2443140	2444660	everybody should tune in tomorrow
2444660	2447220	for Grant's talk on C7 specifically,
2447220	2450940	but just to sort of open the door a little bit,
2452160	2456340	what kinds of concerns do you have
2456340	2459800	about big data that you're collecting?
2459800	2461920	Like, have you thought through
2461920	2464420	what someone might use that stuff for?
2466960	2469640	I'm an optimist, so I always look at,
2470080	2472480	I always look towards the positive,
2472480	2475760	so I'm looking at what amazing things we can do,
2475760	2479620	because I genuinely, I'm not doing this
2479620	2481980	because I need to do another project.
2482260	2484300	I'm doing this because I love doing this,
2484300	2487260	and I want to do something that I think we can,
2487260	2489880	I think when we build homes on land,
2489880	2491340	we kind of destroy the land,
2491340	2492560	and, you know, clear cut the forest,
2492560	2494460	and that's not, you know, it's not a good,
2494460	2496600	we're not being a good citizen of the planet.
2496720	2499560	But I think there's, what I saw last year in Thailand,
2499560	2503640	with so much life all of a sudden just appearing
2503640	2506940	after just two months, that gives us an opportunity
2506940	2511640	to actually be a good citizen of the planet.
2511680	2515820	So I'd like to, I see this as,
2515820	2518540	I always look at the ways of making an improvement
2518540	2521280	to the situation, and I think we can use data
2521280	2528160	to help improve the restoration of coral reefs in the world.
2528680	2531140	So I'm going to, I'm going to plus up,
2531140	2532560	because there's a question that's come through
2532800	2534500	a little bit further about the telemetry data
2534500	2537720	that you could collect passively from these seasteads.
2537720	2539500	And I'm going to ask it specifically
2539500	2541420	because folks are asking, and then,
2541920	2543960	and I realize we're going to run out of time here
2543960	2548240	in about 14 minutes, but, and you and I will again,
2548240	2551320	talk through and invite people to join us
2551320	2554340	in next year's bot challenge.
2554340	2556700	But the question again is,
2556700	2558120	are you guys thinking about this
2558120	2560080	from an educational standpoint?
2560080	2562660	Like this, the data you're collecting doesn't,
2562660	2564900	I mean, you guys are looking
2564900	2567220	to benefit the environment directly,
2567620	2568940	but I mean, is there like,
2568940	2573360	is there some sort of partnership or subsidies,
2573360	2574800	like educational institutes?
2574800	2577640	Like, are you trying to partner to try and,
2578080	2582560	and make all of this telemetry have effects
2583060	2585400	beyond just the seasteading element?
2587240	2588620	About two weeks ago,
2588620	2590260	we started reaching out to people
2590260	2593020	that we could partner with.
2593200	2595860	I basically have 150 projects,
2595860	2598800	like huge projects going on simultaneously.
2598800	2602200	So, and it's all filtering through me at the moment.
2602200	2602720	So that's a little bit-
2602720	2604220	This is how we know you're a hacker.
2604220	2605200	Go ahead.
2606340	2610300	So I'm trying to bring more people on board
2610300	2615160	to help distribute some of the research
2615160	2617580	because there's just so much I can do.
2619540	2626540	But I would, yeah, there's a lot filtering
2626540	2627320	through me right now.
2627320	2629840	So we need to get a better handle on that.
2629840	2633200	And then I think we'll be in a pretty good position
2633200	2638120	to make, to do some really good things with the data.
2640300	2643020	So I guess partners,
2643020	2644760	there's a lot of people we could partner with
2644760	2646160	and that's just another project
2646160	2648080	to find the right partners.
2648080	2651360	And I have started to, we have started to look,
2651360	2653460	we've started to reach out to find the right people
2653940	2655440	that would like to partner with us.
2655440	2658220	And we're open to, if anyone has any suggestions,
2658620	2659840	I'm all ears.
2659980	2664560	Just send it in the chat or on the Seasteading channel.
2665900	2667860	Cool. Thank you so much, Grant.
2667860	2671040	All right, so we're going to round this out.
2671220	2673180	Actually, StrikePod has a question for us
2673660	2675600	that I think we should probably address
2675600	2679020	or at least take seriously as we build out our guidelines.
2679020	2684720	He wants to know to what degree are COTS products allowed?
2684720	2687200	So consumer off the shelf products
2687200	2692620	in building either your floater class or my swimmer class,
2693160	2698380	can we buy some local bot for 300 bucks
2698380	2699920	and then just repurpose it?
2699920	2701420	And does that stay within
2701420	2704440	our open source guidelines requirement?
2704620	2706400	And I realized that we're asking on the fly
2706400	2708020	because I know you and I were going to try
2708020	2709880	and sit down together and noodle out
2709880	2712120	exactly what kinds of limitations
2712120	2714720	we want to slap on these folks for next year.
2714840	2718680	But do you want to take a stab at COTS products?
2719140	2722800	And then I'll give my preliminary thoughts on that.
2723740	2729200	Yeah, I really want to have this done in the open source
2729200	2734880	and I guess if that interferes with that,
2734880	2738520	then that's like kind of kills it.
2738520	2742560	So if you're buying something off the shelf
2742560	2745700	and then modifying everything on top of that,
2745700	2747780	I don't think that would give enough
2747780	2752880	of a open source component.
2753400	2758380	Maybe if there's a consumer part
2758380	2762220	that, I don't know, is maybe like, I don't know,
2762860	2765920	an off-the-shelf robot arm or something
2765920	2768280	that could be plugged into the whole system
2769920	2772240	and that wasn't an essential part of it,
2772240	2775200	then I guess that could be acceptable.
2775200	2777700	But if you're just modifying
2777700	2781020	an off-the-shelf aquatic drone,
2781020	2785040	then I don't think that would be...
2785040	2787440	I think if the guts, the core guts of it
2787440	2791580	are commercial and closed source,
2791580	2793420	then I think that would be a killer.
2795300	2797280	I think I agree.
2797280	2800180	Again, we're doing this on the fly as we dream this up.
2802060	2804840	And before we wrap out, I'm going to have Grant
2804840	2809960	remind us of what he thinks the early speculation,
2810660	2812820	what the floater class requirements are going to be.
2812820	2815020	And I know he's been working up a sheet on that.
2815780	2818220	But I am inclined to say
2819420	2822400	that if you want to use a COTS product
2822400	2824120	for pricing components, right?
2824120	2827120	So we have $1,000 limit on the swimmer class.
2827120	2830040	If you want to use a COTS product,
2830040	2833560	you at a minimum need to show me
2833560	2835740	that it has been reverse engineered
2836980	2840460	such that you are really economizing on costs
2841000	2844100	for private production of a servo,
2844100	2847100	but you would at least have to prove to me
2847100	2848940	that like, no, look, it's been reverse engineered
2848940	2852240	and those reverse engineered components are available,
2852240	2854840	open source, and so a person can sit down and do that stuff.
2854840	2856720	I am just cutting to the chase.
2857060	2858420	And I think that's fair,
2858420	2860520	but you have to show me that it was the case.
2860520	2864440	And I think that, again, so for the swimmer class,
2864440	2865720	we're going to have some gates
2865720	2867260	that people are going to have to go through
2867260	2868140	throughout the year,
2868140	2869380	because we want to make sure that
2869380	2873360	by the time we get to the pool in Las Vegas,
2874100	2875960	we have got some, you know,
2875960	2879660	no shit, seriously interesting bots.
2879660	2881200	They might be dumb, right?
2881200	2883220	They might be running into the wall repeatedly,
2883220	2885280	but then we've got some bots that, you know,
2885280	2890000	at a minimum, like our pool maker gear thought through
2890000	2892380	and are going to behave in interesting ways
2892380	2894020	that we had not anticipated.
2894060	2895800	Then part of the fun of the hackerspace
2896400	2897820	is just giving it a shot
2897820	2900000	and seeing all the variation that emerges.
2900000	2902060	One of the most beautiful parts of this community
2902060	2904240	is that everybody's teaching us
2904240	2906580	different ways to go at a question.
2906580	2908560	So we're not trying to close that down.
2908560	2910300	In fact, I'm trying to open it up,
2911160	2913880	which is why we don't want this to be about COTS, right?
2913880	2915080	We don't want this to be about,
2915080	2917580	we want you to show us all the ways
2917580	2918860	in which you're coming at,
2918860	2920680	I don't want you to tether for power
2920680	2923300	in a curiously interesting way.
2924420	2927680	You know, there's a lot of urine in Vegas pools.
2927680	2930160	Maybe you can use that as a power source, hard to say.
2930160	2931880	But you know, sort of speculate
2931880	2933980	and then think your way through it.
2934420	2936500	If we have any luck,
2936500	2940220	we will be able to secure a Las Vegas pool to do this in.
2941240	2945780	And so, you know, really just try and get a tan a little bit
2945780	2948140	so that you don't die under the Vegas sun.
2948200	2950160	And okay, so Grant, I want you,
2950160	2953120	as we ramp out of the eight minutes left,
2954580	2957440	give me, again, just to recap for the folks,
2957440	2959960	give me the primary challenges,
2959960	2962700	the floater class are going to come up against.
2962700	2964140	What are the primary, you're like,
2964140	2966640	this, I think this is really the issue.
2968680	2972640	Well, the big piece of it would be
2972640	2976420	to be able to collect data and store it,
2976420	2978040	but also send it.
2978340	2983720	And sending a distance on the water
2983720	2986200	could be a little bit tricky,
2986200	2987680	could be a little bit challenging,
2988260	2990720	because we may not have a station nearby
2990720	2992460	where we can just, we're just sitting there
2992460	2994300	waiting for the data to come in.
2994460	2997920	But to be useful, we have to be able to collect it.
2997980	3000740	And some of these could be fairly remote
3001380	3003220	in areas that are hard to get to.
3003220	3006620	So it would be very advantageous
3006620	3011300	to have as long of a transmission period as possible.
3011300	3015020	I don't know how I will test that in Vegas in a pool.
3015320	3016580	Good luck.
3017080	3022780	Yeah, so maybe we'll have a team three miles away
3022780	3025580	and seeing if they can pick up the sensor data
3025580	3029860	from the pool, that could possibly work.
3030540	3033060	So that's going to be really important.
3033060	3039800	Being able to check wave height is really important.
3040000	3041300	Interesting, yes.
3041300	3043420	I'm sorry, I haven't been thinking about surface vehicles.
3043420	3044580	Oh, you're totally right.
3044580	3045880	Okay, go on, sorry.
3045880	3047600	It didn't mean to interrupt, duh.
3047660	3048960	All right, go ahead.
3049080	3053700	We would like to be able to know how big the waves are,
3053700	3057640	what the period between the waves is.
3057860	3060680	So all that data is really useful.
3060720	3062540	We'd like to find out if there's a way to find out
3062540	3066760	the direction of the waves from sensors.
3067140	3070520	And I was trying to figure out myself how I would do that.
3070520	3072540	And I haven't put too much thought into it,
3072540	3074040	but I haven't come up with the solution
3074040	3077960	on how to do that just with sensors,
3077960	3081000	unless we brought AI or machine learning in
3081000	3083660	and had cameras to be able to do that.
3083660	3085520	Oh, I have so many ideas right now.
3085520	3086660	Go on, sorry.
3086720	3090140	Come on, we need a flat surface and a couple levels
3090140	3091760	and you know, you know.
3091760	3093000	Sorry, go ahead.
3094980	3098880	Then, so just standard,
3098880	3102460	we can collect standard weather data as well.
3104780	3109840	Probably we'd want to know lightning data as well.
3109840	3112520	If there's a lot of lightning strikes in that area,
3112520	3115840	we might not love to be in that area
3115840	3118780	if there's a lot of lightning coming down in that area.
3118780	3121720	So that's a condition.
3122800	3126280	So we're going to see which are the most important items
3126280	3129860	for us to have on this list as a final specification.
3130460	3131980	Solar powered would be nice.
3131980	3134020	So they can last as long as possible
3134020	3135200	and we don't have to go out
3135200	3138300	and change the batteries every week.
3138840	3142900	If it could be continually charged, that would be ideal.
3144120	3148260	So those are, I think, some of the more important things.
3148360	3151380	And of course, collecting any kind of water data we can,
3151380	3159220	like pH or salinity, temperature, turbidity,
3161000	3164420	cameras under the water that can identify fish
3164420	3167560	with machine learning would be really cool as well.
3167560	3169560	Oh, interesting. Wow.
3169800	3173520	So that's, so honestly, that's going to be VR, right?
3173520	3175760	That is going to be, I mean, I don't,
3175760	3177240	I don't think anyone's got a,
3177800	3179840	I don't think anyone's got a massive database
3179840	3182260	of fish signatures.
3182260	3184700	I mean, maybe tuna, if you're lucky.
3186280	3188360	Gosh, I don't, yeah, that's really interesting.
3188360	3189380	I hadn't thought about that before,
3189380	3191160	but yeah, like what does a fish look like
3191160	3194380	and how is it not a plastic bag?
3194380	3197060	And interesting, interesting.
3197060	3198600	Okay. All right.
3199620	3201880	So from a naval perspective,
3201880	3206460	and you folks know me, like I don't have to talk.
3206460	3209520	I will talk from this perspective because I think,
3209950	3210880	because I think it's different,
3210880	3212360	because I think it's complete contrast
3212360	3214140	into what Grant's talking about.
3214140	3215680	And I love what Grant's talking about.
3215680	3217820	I think it's fascinating. It's amazing.
3217820	3219360	It's useful for the future.
3220940	3222560	But in contrast, right,
3222560	3225180	like what are some other kinds of challenges?
3225180	3228500	So Grant's talking about survival of a floater.
3228500	3230000	He's talking about persistence.
3230000	3232960	He's talking about integrity of the data long enough
3232960	3234140	so you can fetch it back.
3234140	3236760	And I think that all of those things also matter
3237640	3241260	when it comes to things like how do,
3241260	3245000	how does a Navy project power,
3245000	3248660	or at least protect vessels that are going along in the sea?
3248660	3252380	Like one of the real issues of play for Navy is,
3252380	3255020	for all Navies, not just the US Navy,
3255020	3259420	is how do we protect where so much
3259420	3261020	of the world's commerce comes from?
3261020	3263300	So for folks who don't know, right,
3263300	3266000	all the items, probably the vast majority of the items
3266000	3267440	that you have running around in your house
3267440	3269960	come to you via a boat.
3269960	3271660	They come via a ship.
3271660	3273260	They float on the surface.
3273260	3276520	And one of the things that Navies and Coast Guards
3276520	3279340	are required to do is ensure the safe passage
3279960	3281600	of these objects, right?
3281600	3284400	And if we're all impatient Amazon consumers,
3284400	3286240	then we want it now.
3286960	3288520	And so the question is, you know,
3288520	3290540	how do you prevent those kinds of delays?
3290540	3293080	How do you ensure freedom of navigation,
3293080	3293780	freedom of the sea?
3293780	3295380	So it's a Navy question.
3296140	3306420	For Navy, the biggest concerns are about following things.
3306780	3310060	The biggest concerns for the Navy are which of these,
3310060	3314160	we call them white, we call those white ships,
3314160	3317460	white ships being ships that aren't out there
3317460	3318980	with a military capacity.
3318980	3322080	They're there to, you know, bring tourists around
3322080	3326260	or they're there to move cargo from China to the US, right?
3326260	3327600	This is white.
3328340	3330480	So how do you tell the difference
3330480	3332640	between white and other forces?
3332640	3334680	How do you then, once you've identified
3334680	3337880	these other elements that could be doing terrible things
3337880	3340100	or might be trying to do terrible things,
3340100	3342500	how do you follow them in a meaningful way
3342500	3345220	without having to send out a ship
3345220	3348180	and literally follow it, right?
3348300	3351720	And so really the question for the floater's flimmer class
3351720	3357600	for us is about locating something almost passively, right?
3357600	3360220	From an ISR perspective, almost passively,
3360220	3363100	just being able to sort of map who's who in the zoo
3363100	3364860	and where are you heading this week?
3364860	3367700	And honestly, so Gary Kessler is gonna talk to you folks
3367700	3372720	actually in the next hour, I think, about hacking AIS.
3372720	3376400	And AIS is the system by which all ships voluntarily
3377360	3379380	share their data, their tracking data
3379380	3381020	as they transit the seas.
3381020	3385500	And there's a real reason to be concerned about that system.
3385500	3388080	And so we'll worry about that security
3389260	3391540	in the next session.
3391960	3393900	Anyway, so we're gonna say goodbye
3393900	3395960	because I think we're down to our last minute.
3396740	3398280	I love you all.
3399200	3400840	Talk to you all soon and I miss...
3400840	3402880	Go ahead, Grant, say goodbye.
3403100	3404240	Thank you, everyone.
3404240	3407440	I look forward to seeing you tomorrow on my talk.
3407440	3409660	I think it's at 10 o'clock in the morning.
3410520	3411820	Thanks, everybody.
3411820	3412620	Bye.