[00:00.660 --> 00:03.340] Hey, SafeMode. Welcome to Hack to C. [00:03.360 --> 00:06.100] I'm Kitty, and I'm here to give you a brief explainer [00:06.100 --> 00:08.960] on what UUVs are and what their challenges are. [00:09.460 --> 00:13.680] So essentially, a UUV is an unmanned underwater vehicle, [00:13.680 --> 00:14.820] or as I like to say, [00:14.820 --> 00:17.960] an unpersonned or uncrewed underwater vehicle. [00:18.100 --> 00:20.240] Underneath the category of a UUV, [00:20.240 --> 00:21.980] there are two central subtypes. [00:21.980 --> 00:24.620] There's the AUV, the autonomous underwater vehicle, [00:24.620 --> 00:27.460] and the ROV, the remotely operated vehicle. [00:27.460 --> 00:29.240] And the key difference between these two [00:29.240 --> 00:33.820] is one is a self-guided, self-contained system, the AUV, [00:33.820 --> 00:36.320] and it makes its own decisions and completes its own tasks [00:36.320 --> 00:38.520] without human guidance or interference. [00:38.520 --> 00:43.160] The ROV, conversely, is usually a tethered system, [00:43.160 --> 00:44.620] but either way, it's connected to a human [00:44.620 --> 00:47.020] who's helping the machine complete its tasks [00:47.020 --> 00:49.520] and go along its guidance. [00:50.160 --> 00:51.780] Essentially, what we're talking about here [00:51.780 --> 00:53.480] are maritime robots. [00:53.560 --> 00:55.980] So why do we need maritime robots? [00:55.980 --> 00:58.080] Well, most of it is about exploring [00:58.080 --> 01:00.160] or extracting stuff from the ocean. [01:00.160 --> 01:02.280] And what we know about humans and the ocean [01:02.280 --> 01:04.600] is that if you put a human under the water [01:04.600 --> 01:07.020] on a long enough timeline, they tend to die. [01:07.020 --> 01:10.040] So the history of the development of technologies [01:10.040 --> 01:11.500] for exploration and extraction [01:11.500 --> 01:14.500] used to be about putting a suit around a human [01:14.500 --> 01:18.040] or putting a crew inside some sort of undersea shelter [01:18.040 --> 01:20.800] that would allow them to do the things they wanted to do. [01:20.800 --> 01:22.680] And that timeline is quite long. [01:22.680 --> 01:24.100] So what you're looking at in this image [01:24.100 --> 01:26.420] is an atmospheric diving suit. [01:26.420 --> 01:28.840] And that, I think, is an image from 2014. [01:29.040 --> 01:32.740] But more interestingly, the submarine you're looking at, [01:33.220 --> 01:36.740] what essentially looks like a barrel with a window on it, [01:37.250 --> 01:39.260] that model is from the 1700s. [01:39.260 --> 01:40.920] So the history of trying to extract [01:40.920 --> 01:43.080] and explore the ocean is quite long. [01:43.480 --> 01:46.100] The other thing that we tend to do under the ocean, [01:46.100 --> 01:48.560] largely brought on by a number of world wars, [01:48.560 --> 01:52.000] is we do tend to do fighting underneath the sea. [01:52.000 --> 01:53.020] And what you're looking at here [01:53.020 --> 01:55.760] is an example of an unmanned torpedo. [01:55.760 --> 01:57.620] So the way this works is, [01:57.620 --> 02:00.800] this person sits atop this torpedo, [02:00.800 --> 02:05.080] and in front of this person is a timed warhead. [02:05.080 --> 02:08.660] And what they do is they guide the torpedo to its location. [02:08.660 --> 02:11.900] The driver then drives the manned torpedo [02:11.900 --> 02:13.660] over near the enemy ship, [02:13.660 --> 02:15.200] attaches the warhead, [02:15.200 --> 02:18.100] and then drops and runs as, [02:18.100 --> 02:20.900] or swims as fast as they can to get away. [02:21.020 --> 02:24.120] So presumably, the people signing up for this job [02:24.120 --> 02:26.040] probably drew the short straw. [02:26.300 --> 02:29.640] But this is much of what drives the development, [02:29.640 --> 02:33.680] at least for militaries, for the creation of a UUV, [02:33.680 --> 02:36.860] because this is a high-risk environment. [02:37.380 --> 02:39.460] So what we're asking to do at Hack the Sea [02:39.460 --> 02:41.420] is for you guys to start thinking about ways [02:41.420 --> 02:43.480] to create some battle bots. [02:43.480 --> 02:45.480] And so I have three essential, [02:45.480 --> 02:47.100] easier and harder design sets [02:47.100 --> 02:48.800] that you want to start thinking about [02:48.800 --> 02:53.340] if you want to play next year at DEFCON 29. [02:53.340 --> 02:55.980] So the easier way to think about this is to tether. [02:55.980 --> 02:58.560] And so if you wanted to engage in your battle, [02:58.560 --> 03:00.320] and you wanted to tether your bot, [03:00.320 --> 03:02.820] you certainly have a lot of access to power, [03:02.820 --> 03:04.720] you certainly have a lot of access to data, [03:04.720 --> 03:06.940] and your maneuver capability is higher. [03:06.940 --> 03:08.620] But this is the easy model. [03:08.620 --> 03:10.880] And in all honesty, I would be surprised [03:10.880 --> 03:14.360] if we allowed people to operate tethered in this way. [03:14.360 --> 03:15.340] The harder challenge, [03:15.340 --> 03:17.620] and the one I think we want to see you guys do, [03:17.620 --> 03:21.240] is the untethered, remotely operated robot. [03:21.240 --> 03:22.820] But we will come out with guidance [03:22.820 --> 03:24.580] on that challenge pretty soon. [03:24.580 --> 03:26.160] But the problem with that untethered, [03:26.160 --> 03:29.400] remotely operated robot is that under the water, [03:29.400 --> 03:31.100] radio frequency doesn't work. [03:31.100 --> 03:34.800] And so you're pretty much left with sound and maybe light. [03:34.800 --> 03:36.560] And so good luck on that. [03:36.560 --> 03:38.780] And we look forward to seeing what you come up with. [03:39.180 --> 03:40.740] Another challenge that you want to think about [03:40.740 --> 03:43.200] is where on the water do you want to be? [03:43.200 --> 03:45.520] And we will have separate challenges for that. [03:45.520 --> 03:47.740] But essentially there are three general positions. [03:47.740 --> 03:49.700] There's your floaters, there's your swimmers, [03:49.700 --> 03:51.420] and there's your bottom crawlers. [03:51.420 --> 03:54.020] So your floaters will obviously have more access to light [03:54.020 --> 03:55.880] and potentially communication. [03:56.040 --> 03:59.020] Your bottom crawlers will be in their most austere position, [03:59.020 --> 04:00.960] but they will at least be able to locate [04:00.960 --> 04:01.980] where they are in the water [04:01.980 --> 04:03.700] because they can touch the bottom. [04:03.800 --> 04:05.760] And interestingly and quite challengingly, [04:05.760 --> 04:06.960] there are your free swimmers, [04:06.960 --> 04:09.080] and who even knows how you're going to figure out [04:09.080 --> 04:11.320] how to orient yourself in that condition. [04:11.800 --> 04:13.620] The other thing that you need to start thinking about [04:13.620 --> 04:14.760] is how to power it. [04:14.760 --> 04:17.620] So the way the military powers things, [04:17.620 --> 04:19.020] particularly with submarines, [04:19.020 --> 04:21.260] is either nuclear power or diesel-electric. [04:21.260 --> 04:23.160] These are probably not two categories [04:23.160 --> 04:24.420] you'll be allowed to use. [04:24.420 --> 04:27.320] So I look forward to seeing what you guys come up with. [04:28.160 --> 04:30.600] That is about it for my explainer on UUVs. [04:30.600 --> 04:32.020] I didn't want to take it on too long, [04:32.020 --> 04:33.400] but I do want to say that I know [04:33.400 --> 04:35.020] that you see me wearing a bow tie, [04:35.020 --> 04:36.540] and that bow tie is really because [04:36.540 --> 04:40.680] I want to dedicate this talk to a friend, [04:40.800 --> 04:42.960] a colleague, and a mentor, Will Bundy, [04:42.960 --> 04:45.280] who passed away this last December. [04:45.280 --> 04:48.160] He was a huge part of the Naval War College's [04:48.160 --> 04:49.740] move toward innovation, [04:49.740 --> 04:52.300] and he was a big proponent of thinking about [04:52.920 --> 04:55.380] all sorts of unmanned autonomous systems. [04:55.380 --> 04:57.680] And so I just wanted to say thanks, [04:57.680 --> 04:59.340] and we miss you. [05:00.840 --> 05:02.500] And now that that's done, [05:02.500 --> 05:04.380] I figured I would have a little fun [05:04.380 --> 05:05.600] at the back end of this video. [05:05.600 --> 05:09.520] So I tried to think about how to [05:10.660 --> 05:12.600] work in some sort of reference [05:12.600 --> 05:16.100] and a tie between a cocktail and this video, [05:16.100 --> 05:18.280] and I couldn't, so we're just gonna make a cocktail. [05:19.260 --> 05:20.780] So what you're gonna need, [05:20.780 --> 05:22.000] let me move my camera, [05:22.000 --> 05:24.700] in order to make a Manhattan in the style [05:24.700 --> 05:26.160] that I make a Manhattan, [05:27.260 --> 05:31.780] is you're going to need some bourbon, [05:31.780 --> 05:35.100] and you're going to need some vermouth, [05:35.100 --> 05:37.400] you're gonna need some bitters, [05:37.400 --> 05:39.880] some cherries, some ice, [05:41.140 --> 05:44.400] and a way to stir it. [05:46.280 --> 05:47.560] Let's give it a shot. [05:55.580 --> 05:58.600] Okay, so I tend to make a pretty stiff Manhattan, [05:58.600 --> 06:00.160] so I just want to warn you in advance [06:00.160 --> 06:01.960] if you follow my proportions, [06:02.900 --> 06:05.160] be prepared for a stiff drink. [06:05.280 --> 06:07.000] So you're gonna start with your bourbon. [06:07.000 --> 06:08.540] I have here something I bought [06:08.540 --> 06:10.520] from a local distillery, Filibuster. [06:10.520 --> 06:12.920] It's a really nice standard bourbon. [06:12.920 --> 06:13.600] They call it a whiskey [06:13.600 --> 06:15.500] because they age it in a different way. [06:15.500 --> 06:19.080] So you're gonna take two and a half parts of bourbon. [06:20.840 --> 06:22.060] That's one, [06:25.140 --> 06:26.020] two, [06:26.020 --> 06:27.340] and a half. [06:28.380 --> 06:29.760] You're gonna grab some vermouth, [06:29.860 --> 06:30.560] a sweet vermouth. [06:30.560 --> 06:33.540] I tend to use this thing called Carpano Antica, [06:33.540 --> 06:34.920] which is considered an Amaro, [06:34.920 --> 06:36.200] but that's fancy words. [06:36.200 --> 06:37.620] Just get a sweet vermouth. [06:37.620 --> 06:39.720] You'll learn over time what your favorites are, [06:39.720 --> 06:41.280] and I do one part of that. [06:44.480 --> 06:46.160] And then I'm gonna put my bitters in. [06:46.160 --> 06:47.820] So I go with two different kinds of bitters. [06:47.820 --> 06:49.100] I go with Angostura bitters, [06:49.100 --> 06:51.680] and then a little bit of what's called Tiki bitters. [06:51.680 --> 06:53.680] But really, you should play around as much [06:53.680 --> 06:54.480] as you want with the bitters [06:54.480 --> 06:55.860] until you find out whether you like [06:55.860 --> 06:57.180] that deep, Christmassy flavor [06:57.180 --> 06:58.320] or something more peppery, [06:58.320 --> 07:00.040] but that's entirely up to you. [07:00.120 --> 07:02.080] Put a little bit of this in here. [07:05.140 --> 07:07.320] Healthy dash of Angostura bitters. [07:09.780 --> 07:11.260] And the thing that I find that's most common [07:11.260 --> 07:12.240] and most interesting and important [07:12.240 --> 07:13.720] and also controversial, [07:13.720 --> 07:17.200] is I believe strongly in allowing the flavor [07:17.200 --> 07:18.980] of the cherry to come into the Manhattan. [07:19.120 --> 07:22.540] And so often what I'll do when I buy my cherries, [07:23.440 --> 07:26.780] is when I put the cherry in the drink. [07:29.740 --> 07:31.800] There, see, this is a tethering cherry. [07:32.300 --> 07:34.760] And I put just a little bit of the cherry juice [07:35.360 --> 07:36.680] into the Manhattan to give it [07:36.680 --> 07:38.900] just a little bit more cherry flavor. [07:40.500 --> 07:42.500] In the real world, you should be stirring this [07:42.500 --> 07:44.340] for somewhere 20 and 30 seconds [07:44.340 --> 07:46.000] to get that temperature way down there [07:46.000 --> 07:47.680] and to mix all the sugars together. [07:55.470 --> 07:59.030] And I have forgotten my skimmer, [07:59.030 --> 08:00.830] so I'll just put my finger down here. [08:07.910 --> 08:09.310] That's how you make a Manhattan. [08:10.750 --> 08:12.670] I will say for anybody who makes it all the way [08:12.670 --> 08:13.670] to the end of this video, [08:13.670 --> 08:14.890] hit me up at Defcon 29 [08:14.890 --> 08:17.810] and I will definitely help you make your own Manhattan. [08:18.070 --> 08:19.650] I look forward to seeing you guys. [08:20.470 --> 08:21.590] Hmm. [08:22.290 --> 08:24.390] I look forward to seeing the battle bots. [08:24.390 --> 08:25.550] Take care. [08:33.830 --> 08:35.410] Thanks guys. [08:37.880 --> 08:40.000] Turn this one off. [08:40.180 --> 08:41.020] All right. [08:41.020 --> 08:44.520] Let me turn my, no, my camera's on. [08:44.520 --> 08:47.140] Hey guys, I wanted to say thank you. [08:47.140 --> 08:49.180] I don't know why my camera's off. [08:49.500 --> 08:52.540] Share my screen. [08:52.540 --> 08:53.120] Who knows? [08:53.120 --> 08:54.040] Anyway. [08:55.220 --> 08:57.480] In all seriousness, [08:58.340 --> 09:01.520] the challenge that we're dreaming up for Hack to See, [09:02.680 --> 09:07.140] we're hoping to play out in 2021. [09:07.860 --> 09:10.260] And the kind of challenge we're really looking for [09:11.600 --> 09:13.060] is gonna be a hard, [09:13.060 --> 09:15.060] just try and do this the hard way, right? [09:15.060 --> 09:18.840] So there are gonna be two categories or classes [09:18.840 --> 09:22.740] and I wanna talk a little bit about the swimmers [09:22.740 --> 09:24.580] and then I'm gonna kick it over to Grant [09:24.580 --> 09:27.140] and Grant is gonna talk a little bit [09:27.140 --> 09:28.620] about the floaters. [09:28.660 --> 09:33.760] And so, and while I'm doing this part of the preso, [09:33.760 --> 09:37.680] feel free to text in some questions and answers. [09:37.680 --> 09:39.180] And then after Grant talks a little bit [09:39.180 --> 09:41.300] about his challenge on floaters, [09:41.300 --> 09:44.340] I wanna kick it over in a very weird way. [09:44.340 --> 09:45.680] You're gonna listen to him on my phone [09:45.680 --> 09:47.880] because we can't get his audio enabled. [09:48.540 --> 09:52.760] You're gonna listen to Dave talk about undersea IOT, [09:52.760 --> 09:56.860] which is a growing commonality in the water. [09:56.860 --> 09:58.540] So, okay, so here's the deal. [09:58.640 --> 10:01.920] Next summer, we would like to see you folks [10:01.920 --> 10:05.620] bring some bots to battle in the water. [10:05.620 --> 10:11.240] The swimmer class is going to hopefully operate untethered. [10:11.240 --> 10:12.620] Now, what does that mean? [10:12.620 --> 10:14.860] That means that all of that, [10:14.860 --> 10:16.740] all those advantages you have normally [10:16.740 --> 10:20.260] by attaching a tether to your bot [10:20.260 --> 10:22.200] so that it can go through an obstacle course [10:23.080 --> 10:25.140] aren't gonna be there. [10:26.200 --> 10:28.440] In particular, one of your greatest challenges [10:28.440 --> 10:29.900] is going to be power, [10:29.900 --> 10:31.940] and the other one is gonna be cons with your bot [10:31.940 --> 10:33.160] to get it to go through a system. [10:33.160 --> 10:35.260] You have all the opportunities you want. [10:35.260 --> 10:36.660] If you wanna make it an AUV, [10:36.660 --> 10:38.480] if you wanna make it autonomous, that's great, [10:38.480 --> 10:40.420] but you gotta be careful, right? [10:40.420 --> 10:42.120] Because it's an obstacle course. [10:42.120 --> 10:43.700] So here are the general rules. [10:43.700 --> 10:45.160] And then as we go forward, [10:45.160 --> 10:48.340] we will be sending out specifics and guidelines. [10:48.340 --> 10:50.640] But in general, we're hoping that your bot [10:50.640 --> 10:53.620] will not be any bigger than checked luggage. [10:53.620 --> 10:56.760] Ideally, it will be about the size of carry-on luggage. [10:56.760 --> 10:57.820] Why did we do that? [10:57.820 --> 11:00.660] We did that because we need you to get your bot to Vegas. [11:00.660 --> 11:02.260] And in order to get your bot to Vegas, [11:02.260 --> 11:03.600] it's gotta fit in some luggage. [11:03.600 --> 11:05.980] Otherwise, you'll have a hell of a time getting it here. [11:06.180 --> 11:09.040] So, checked luggage or carry-on luggage, [11:09.040 --> 11:10.280] and we'll be more specific [11:10.280 --> 11:13.400] about dimensions going on going forward. [11:13.420 --> 11:15.120] I can automatically tell [11:15.120 --> 11:16.780] that some of you are gonna wanna know, [11:16.780 --> 11:20.400] can it fit in checked luggage and then I can unfold it? [11:20.780 --> 11:22.440] Probably, but we'll figure it out. [11:22.440 --> 11:26.000] Ideally, your bot's gonna be untethered for power. [11:26.080 --> 11:27.760] We can talk later about whether or not [11:27.760 --> 11:29.360] you can do a glider motion, [11:29.360 --> 11:31.060] which is your bot can be underwater [11:31.060 --> 11:33.940] and then come up for comms and then go back down again. [11:35.560 --> 11:37.160] That's a valid design. [11:37.160 --> 11:38.140] We'll think about it. [11:38.140 --> 11:41.920] And again, we'll have clear guidelines here going forward. [11:42.180 --> 11:45.160] We're thinking no more than $1,000 expenditures. [11:45.160 --> 11:47.620] So, for those of you who are in makerspaces, [11:47.620 --> 11:49.020] if you wanna put a team together [11:49.020 --> 11:51.820] and start thinking about how to build this, [11:51.820 --> 11:54.940] we really don't want you to be buying the Gucci set. [11:55.260 --> 11:57.320] Cobble this together, make it work, [11:57.320 --> 11:58.760] but do it the hard way. [11:58.760 --> 12:01.000] And we're looking forward to seeing what you come up with. [12:01.000 --> 12:05.320] Like I said, reach out to me or reach out to Hack the Sea. [12:05.320 --> 12:06.800] We're at hackthesea.org. [12:07.300 --> 12:09.660] And we will have, in the coming weeks, [12:09.660 --> 12:12.300] the exact specifications and the gateways [12:12.300 --> 12:14.340] and challenges to get us moving forward. [12:14.440 --> 12:16.880] And if you have any other questions, I'm here. [12:16.880 --> 12:18.800] But at this point, I'm gonna kick it over to Grant, [12:18.800 --> 12:22.440] hopefully, and Grant will talk about the floater class. [12:24.480 --> 12:25.800] Hello. [12:26.120 --> 12:27.140] How are you? [12:27.140 --> 12:28.460] All right. [12:29.000 --> 12:30.940] Very excited to be here. [12:30.940 --> 12:34.020] My name is Grant from Ocean Builders. [12:34.020 --> 12:35.620] We are seasteaders. [12:35.620 --> 12:38.700] We are the ones that are famous [12:38.700 --> 12:43.660] for building a floating home in the water in Thailand. [12:43.660 --> 12:46.220] Let me see if I can share my screen here. [12:49.690 --> 12:51.150] Maybe that's not working. [12:51.750 --> 12:53.630] Okay, maybe I can't share my screen. [12:53.630 --> 12:54.130] Can you hear me? [12:54.130 --> 12:54.830] Okay. [12:56.570 --> 12:57.510] Okay. [12:57.890 --> 12:59.630] Now something went wrong. [12:59.630 --> 13:00.770] Okay, there it is. [13:00.770 --> 13:03.150] Okay, so maybe I can't share my screen. [13:03.570 --> 13:06.190] I was gonna show you some images [13:06.190 --> 13:09.810] of the original seastead that we built in Thailand [13:10.420 --> 13:14.010] that was very famously attacked by the Thai Navy [13:15.050 --> 13:21.390] and ended up turning into a 10-day manhunt by the Thai Navy. [13:21.390 --> 13:23.330] So it was a very interesting story. [13:23.330 --> 13:25.030] Right now, a book is being written about it [13:25.030 --> 13:27.250] as well as a screenplay for a movie. [13:27.250 --> 13:31.370] So I'll talk more about that in my official talk tomorrow. [13:31.830 --> 13:36.790] But I wanted to talk here about the challenge [13:36.790 --> 13:39.470] we're going to be doing for a floater. [13:39.670 --> 13:41.530] And for seasteading, [13:41.530 --> 13:43.070] something that's really important for us [13:44.350 --> 13:47.190] is to be able to have advanced warning [13:47.190 --> 13:49.070] if there's big waves [13:49.070 --> 13:55.190] or see what's actually going on in the area around us. [13:56.010 --> 13:57.850] So we would like to have some notice [13:57.850 --> 14:00.810] that there's big storms coming up and things like that. [14:01.730 --> 14:03.910] And also another purpose is to be able [14:03.910 --> 14:06.890] to observe the marine ecosystem around us. [14:07.170 --> 14:13.430] So we want to build what we call an aqua boy, [14:13.430 --> 14:16.150] like not a aqua boy, like a man, [14:16.150 --> 14:18.410] but the actual boys that float in the water [14:19.050 --> 14:21.550] and fill it with as many sensors [14:21.550 --> 14:26.370] that can give us very useful information as possible. [14:26.430 --> 14:30.470] So useful information can be water temperature, [14:30.470 --> 14:35.110] pH levels, salinity, turbidity, [14:35.110 --> 14:38.750] maybe even cameras connected and collect some data [14:38.750 --> 14:41.470] or maybe even have machine learning. [14:41.830 --> 14:43.930] So we'll be putting together the specifications [14:43.930 --> 14:46.570] on exactly what all the details are. [14:46.570 --> 14:52.170] We already have a bit of a cheat sheet pinned on our channel. [14:52.210 --> 14:55.270] So you can go and download what we have already. [14:55.270 --> 14:56.410] It's already there. [14:56.410 --> 14:58.170] And we'll just give you some information [14:58.170 --> 15:02.050] on the ideas that we have for what that is. [15:02.050 --> 15:05.070] And we'll revise that as we go along here. [15:05.070 --> 15:08.090] But we're pretty close to what we want [15:08.090 --> 15:10.370] for the specifications of what would be there. [15:11.990 --> 15:16.270] Ideally, we would have a maximum price and size, of course. [15:16.510 --> 15:18.470] It should be something you should be able to bring to Vegas, [15:18.470 --> 15:19.530] like Nina was saying, [15:19.530 --> 15:21.610] you should be able to transport it there. [15:21.610 --> 15:23.630] Otherwise, it doesn't make sense. [15:25.290 --> 15:27.430] And it would look like, [15:27.430 --> 15:29.910] it could look like something like a normal buoy [15:29.910 --> 15:31.670] that you see floating in the water [15:31.670 --> 15:36.070] that is kind of used for the red and green buoys [15:36.070 --> 15:38.290] that you see for direction for boats [15:38.290 --> 15:42.090] to navigate through some waterways. [15:42.090 --> 15:46.090] It could be very similar to those in kind of shape. [15:46.610 --> 15:51.210] And it can take, you know, can take under the water, [15:51.210 --> 15:54.330] there would be a sensor array above the water. [15:54.330 --> 15:56.610] There can be sensors in them as well. [15:56.990 --> 16:02.710] So it's really unfortunate I can't share my screen, [16:02.710 --> 16:08.270] but I'll maybe have that solved for the next talk. [16:08.290 --> 16:08.990] Tomorrow. [16:08.990 --> 16:13.090] And so I can go through a few of the details here [16:13.090 --> 16:14.250] that we had. [16:14.250 --> 16:18.410] There's also a link to join the challenge. [16:18.410 --> 16:21.210] So if anyone here wants to look at the challenge [16:21.210 --> 16:24.590] or look at some of the challenges we have [16:24.590 --> 16:27.190] that we're going to be doing over the next year, [16:27.190 --> 16:30.470] there's a link to a little survey signup form [16:30.470 --> 16:33.570] where you can actually put your name and information [16:33.570 --> 16:37.210] and kind of check off what your interests are. [16:37.210 --> 16:40.470] And I think we have something very unique [16:40.470 --> 16:43.550] because we are, like, this is Hack the Sea. [16:43.550 --> 16:46.150] Everyone's here to find out how to hack the sea. [16:46.550 --> 16:51.270] And this is, I think, a really interesting opportunity. [16:51.270 --> 16:53.690] We're at the time where all these technologies now exist [16:53.690 --> 16:56.790] for us to be able to do some really fantastic things [16:56.790 --> 16:57.750] on the ocean. [16:58.010 --> 17:00.950] And so we're out there doing it. [17:01.270 --> 17:02.390] We're seasteaders. [17:02.390 --> 17:03.990] We're actually building hardware. [17:03.990 --> 17:05.670] We're actually making things happen. [17:06.490 --> 17:09.390] People have been talking about building a city on the sea [17:09.390 --> 17:11.690] for decades, but no one's actually done it. [17:11.690 --> 17:14.110] So we're actually the first ones that are actually [17:14.110 --> 17:17.470] putting hardware together and putting it in the water. [17:17.470 --> 17:20.490] So we're really excited about being able to reach people [17:20.490 --> 17:24.170] and reach out to a community of hackers [17:24.170 --> 17:25.870] that likes building things [17:25.870 --> 17:27.470] and is passionate about building things [17:27.990 --> 17:32.730] and can help us to move everything forward. [17:32.730 --> 17:34.350] We're really looking for kind of... [17:34.350 --> 17:36.750] We're here mostly to do a call of action, [17:36.750 --> 17:39.310] to say, okay, here's the opportunities. [17:39.310 --> 17:42.070] The sea is wide open with all these incredible opportunities [17:42.070 --> 17:43.570] of what we can do. [17:43.890 --> 17:48.370] And I think now's a really amazing time [17:48.370 --> 17:51.930] to actually bring all these things together, [17:51.930 --> 17:54.870] do a call of action here to anyone that wants to participate [17:54.870 --> 17:57.830] and help us do some really interesting things. [17:57.830 --> 18:00.710] So we'll give a longer talk tomorrow. [18:00.710 --> 18:05.550] We'll have some videos and presentations around the whole thing. [18:05.850 --> 18:10.450] But I think we can probably pass it along back to Nina, [18:10.450 --> 18:14.130] who's going to patch through with Dave on the phone. [18:14.130 --> 18:15.730] Thanks a lot, Grant. [18:15.790 --> 18:17.810] Yep, so we got Dave on the phone. [18:17.810 --> 18:22.350] I do want to say, just as an addition to Grant's commentary here, [18:22.350 --> 18:29.590] we aren't looking to have people bring their proprietary source stuff, right, [18:29.590 --> 18:30.610] to the battle. [18:30.610 --> 18:34.890] We're looking for open source hardware and software on this one, right? [18:34.890 --> 18:36.130] Want to be able to share. [18:36.130 --> 18:37.190] That's the way that works. [18:37.190 --> 18:44.330] And so look for that to be a requirement in the battle guidelines. [18:44.330 --> 18:47.510] And so, all right, so this is awkward as hell, [18:47.510 --> 18:52.790] but I'm going to have Dave speak to you about the underwater IoT via my phone. [18:52.850 --> 18:53.910] So I'm just going to... [18:54.390 --> 18:57.830] I'm going to look to Grant to give me the thumbs up to see if he can hear Dave. [18:57.830 --> 18:59.090] Dave, take it away. [18:59.090 --> 19:00.970] Okay, can you hear me? [19:02.370 --> 19:05.670] I hope I don't get too much feedback here. [19:05.950 --> 19:07.430] So I'm kind of flying blind here. [19:07.430 --> 19:09.030] I'll do the best that I can. [19:11.210 --> 19:14.350] So I'm kind of flipping through my PowerPoint here. [19:14.910 --> 19:18.510] I didn't actually hear Nina's video, [19:18.510 --> 19:21.230] so I don't really know what she covered in terms of UUVs. [19:21.730 --> 19:26.730] But, you know, just to sort of put things in context, I guess, [19:28.770 --> 19:35.270] you know, UUVs, basically unmanned undersea vehicles, and, you know... [19:35.270 --> 19:36.510] Dave, I'm going to cut you off. [19:36.510 --> 19:37.090] Stand by one. [19:37.090 --> 19:37.810] I'm going to cut you off. [19:37.810 --> 19:39.210] We're getting way too much echo. [19:39.330 --> 19:40.550] Here's what I'm going to do. [19:40.650 --> 19:44.010] I think what we're going to do is we will... [19:44.010 --> 19:45.710] I'm talking to the whole world now. [19:47.450 --> 19:49.030] We're going to... [19:49.030 --> 19:51.050] We may try and ask you to dial in tomorrow [19:51.050 --> 19:53.530] and see if we can get you human plus status. [19:53.530 --> 19:55.870] So for the universe out there, [19:55.870 --> 19:58.410] unfortunately, Dave does not have human plus status. [19:58.410 --> 20:01.470] And so the video and audio functions aren't working. [20:01.810 --> 20:05.010] And so we'll have Imprezo out probably following Grant tomorrow, [20:05.010 --> 20:06.790] but we'll see if we can spin up. [20:06.850 --> 20:09.170] In the meantime, I'm going to take some questions [20:10.610 --> 20:13.630] and I'll see if I can grab Dave's slides. [20:13.630 --> 20:15.750] But just... [20:15.750 --> 20:19.310] Yeah, and then just as a takeaway, [20:20.530 --> 20:25.190] the undersea IOT stuff is actually really getting built out pretty aggressively. [20:25.190 --> 20:26.990] Dave, what's the timeline you figure? [20:32.630 --> 20:35.930] Within the next 10 years, next five or 10 years. [20:38.070 --> 20:39.190] Okay. [20:44.920 --> 20:47.940] As things progress with communications in the undersea, [20:48.740 --> 20:50.260] that's the critical path. [20:50.260 --> 20:52.300] Okay, Dave, we're going to have you... [20:52.300 --> 20:56.840] We're going to get you added to tomorrow's jam. [20:56.840 --> 20:59.580] So I'll do that on the back end and let me just take Q&A now. [20:59.580 --> 21:01.140] So we'll talk to you in a couple of minutes, Dave. [21:01.140 --> 21:02.280] Thanks so much for... [21:02.280 --> 21:03.180] We'll get there. [21:03.180 --> 21:04.260] Take it easy, man. [21:06.420 --> 21:10.600] All right, Grant, if you want to unmute, [21:10.600 --> 21:13.020] then we'll just take whatever questions come up. [21:13.640 --> 21:15.720] Or we can just riff until then. [21:16.220 --> 21:20.280] Well, I'm really excited to hear about the underwater IOT from Dave. [21:20.280 --> 21:23.320] I'm glad to hear it. [21:23.700 --> 21:26.640] So, okay, so why don't you and I talk about... [21:26.640 --> 21:28.900] Why don't you and I talk about, like, why does it... [21:28.900 --> 21:31.220] What's so hard about UUVs? [21:31.220 --> 21:33.220] Like, why does that... [21:33.220 --> 21:35.120] We have plenty of flying drones. [21:35.120 --> 21:38.940] Like, what's the special challenge about being under the water? [21:38.940 --> 21:41.180] And you can talk about this from the seasteading perspective [21:41.180 --> 21:43.040] and I can talk about it from the naval perspective, [21:43.040 --> 21:44.680] but I'll kick it off to you first. [21:45.440 --> 21:47.620] Well, it's communication, [21:47.620 --> 21:50.980] getting the data from whatever is... [21:50.980 --> 21:56.640] When you're underwater, you can't send a radio signal above... [21:56.640 --> 21:58.240] You know, it doesn't travel. [21:58.240 --> 22:01.280] So that's the core problem. [22:01.280 --> 22:02.260] So if we... [22:02.920 --> 22:03.680] Go ahead. [22:03.880 --> 22:06.920] If we can solve that, or if there's a solution [22:06.920 --> 22:13.620] or some way of communicating, that would be incredible. [22:13.620 --> 22:15.340] That could be a game changer. [22:15.800 --> 22:17.440] So, I mean, I think this is... [22:17.440 --> 22:19.920] This can't be stressed strongly enough [22:19.920 --> 22:23.200] when I've been talking to roboticists who do undersea stuff. [22:23.380 --> 22:24.860] One of the core challenges [22:24.860 --> 22:28.420] and why people are talking about going autonomous with their robots [22:28.420 --> 22:30.700] is this problem of communication. [22:30.700 --> 22:34.300] So for those folks who don't play around in the water stuff, [22:34.300 --> 22:38.000] radio frequency, the way in which comms work, [22:38.000 --> 22:42.460] wireless comms, you know, the way in which our drones fly, [22:42.460 --> 22:45.100] that is not a thing you get to do under the water. [22:45.100 --> 22:48.340] You're left with two sources of signals under the water, [22:48.340 --> 22:52.100] unless you count Dave's undersea IOT. [22:52.100 --> 22:54.200] But you're really looking at light and sonar. [22:54.200 --> 22:56.860] Grant, do you know of any other ways besides light and sonar? [22:56.860 --> 22:58.040] Sound and light? [22:58.400 --> 22:59.340] No. [22:59.340 --> 23:01.460] Yeah, I'm not either. [23:01.460 --> 23:05.280] So I'm curious to see what Dave has to see about an undersea IOT. [23:06.840 --> 23:09.140] But really, so now you're talking about a bot [23:09.140 --> 23:12.440] that is either working on delayed comms, [23:12.440 --> 23:14.180] or if you're going to do light, [23:14.180 --> 23:16.080] you got to worry about some other problems. [23:16.080 --> 23:19.380] And so there are also additional issues, [23:19.380 --> 23:21.280] which is the bathymetry of the water. [23:21.280 --> 23:22.420] So how deep is it? [23:22.420 --> 23:25.260] You get different pressure, the farther you go down, [23:25.260 --> 23:28.720] you get different resistance on the hull itself. [23:29.180 --> 23:30.660] Grant, are you familiar at all what happens [23:30.660 --> 23:32.680] when you put a lithium ion battery [23:32.680 --> 23:35.260] encased in a small shell and put it underwater? [23:37.680 --> 23:41.340] No, I haven't really researched much on... [23:41.340 --> 23:44.620] And if the battery off-gases, what do you have then? [23:45.440 --> 23:47.580] You have a pipeline. [23:49.300 --> 23:51.580] So the other problem we're going to deal with [23:51.580 --> 23:55.560] in that UUV category is power. [23:55.880 --> 23:59.140] And so this is a very serious issue, [23:59.140 --> 24:01.800] that even if you get a really good lithium ion battery [24:01.800 --> 24:06.240] in that bot, and it's operating autonomously underwater, [24:06.900 --> 24:09.500] now you have to worry about whether or not [24:10.900 --> 24:14.240] the encasement, the shell, is secure enough [24:14.240 --> 24:18.040] so as to prevent a serious problem with that. [24:18.040 --> 24:20.060] The other way you could do it is you could try [24:20.060 --> 24:22.380] and create some floater that follows along. [24:22.380 --> 24:25.420] But again, this is really up to the hackers to figure out. [24:26.760 --> 24:28.940] But we're really going to try and push you guys [24:28.940 --> 24:31.920] on the edges of how much power can you pack [24:31.920 --> 24:35.280] into one of those things and make it operate untethered? [24:35.280 --> 24:36.940] And how are you going to get it to communicate? [24:37.040 --> 24:38.560] And by the way, if you get really smart ways [24:38.560 --> 24:39.720] to communicate... [24:42.200 --> 24:44.460] I'm just assuming other people are going to be messing [24:44.460 --> 24:45.340] with you too. [24:45.340 --> 24:48.600] I could be wrong about that, but I'm guessing they're gonna. [24:48.720 --> 24:51.960] So the undersea problem is a real one. [24:52.020 --> 24:53.420] The other problem that we're talking about [24:53.420 --> 24:56.440] for swimmers is orientation. [24:56.720 --> 24:58.520] So for bottom-crawling bots, [24:58.520 --> 25:00.440] they've got the ground they can orient, right? [25:00.440 --> 25:02.040] So now they're left with four directions, [25:02.040 --> 25:03.600] forward, back, left, and right. [25:03.880 --> 25:06.340] Similarly for floaters, you're going to be [25:06.340 --> 25:10.020] on the water surface, forward, back, left, and right. [25:10.020 --> 25:12.920] But if you're a swimmer, you have two more dimensions [25:12.920 --> 25:14.700] to worry about, and that's up-down. [25:14.700 --> 25:17.020] So if you're thinking about trying to orient yourself [25:17.020 --> 25:18.820] in the water, not only do you have to figure out [25:18.820 --> 25:21.140] where you are with no real touch points, [25:21.140 --> 25:23.180] but you've got six directions to worry about. [25:23.180 --> 25:25.120] So again, I don't know how our hackers [25:25.120 --> 25:25.960] are going to deal with it. [25:25.960 --> 25:27.820] I don't know what they're going to do to solve their problem, [25:27.820 --> 25:29.940] but I'm crossing my fingers for them. [25:31.080 --> 25:33.120] Grant, do you want to talk about the floater class? [25:33.840 --> 25:35.500] Um, yes. [25:35.500 --> 25:38.990] So actually, now that you're mentioning it, [25:39.360 --> 25:42.360] we talked with Brian, I talked with Brian [25:42.830 --> 25:46.860] about a number of different possible ideas and challenges. [25:46.860 --> 25:50.260] And we talked about having a stationary buoy [25:50.260 --> 25:52.620] that collects data, sensor data. [25:52.620 --> 25:56.260] And then we also talked about having a, [25:56.960 --> 26:01.640] like a robo boat, basically, a robot boat that moves around. [26:02.600 --> 26:06.200] And so for the, for the floater, [26:06.200 --> 26:09.080] are we talking about the moving version or the stationary? [26:10.080 --> 26:12.300] I, whichever one you're thinking about, [26:12.300 --> 26:14.080] I mean, this is for you guys to build out. [26:14.080 --> 26:14.860] Good luck. [26:15.200 --> 26:16.580] All right, yeah, okay. [26:17.280 --> 26:19.880] So then I think the simplest [26:20.440 --> 26:22.380] and probably the best thing to start with [26:22.380 --> 26:24.480] would be the stationary. [26:24.480 --> 26:26.180] That's going to stay in one place. [26:26.740 --> 26:30.360] So that is, for that it's, [26:30.360 --> 26:32.540] that technology is really critical for us [26:32.540 --> 26:34.660] because we would really like to know [26:35.260 --> 26:37.760] what the conditions are in our area [26:37.760 --> 26:43.100] and be able to put those stations in remote areas [26:43.100 --> 26:46.980] and collect data before we even decide to ever go there. [26:47.080 --> 26:48.740] So we can actually be collecting data [26:48.740 --> 26:50.980] and see what the conditions are year round. [26:50.980 --> 26:53.920] And if it's a hospitable place to put a seastead. [26:54.020 --> 26:55.700] So it'll just be there collecting data [26:55.700 --> 26:58.840] maybe for a year before we would actually move there. [26:59.560 --> 27:03.000] Like we'd collect wave height data. [27:03.000 --> 27:05.540] So we'd actually be able to collect the data [27:05.540 --> 27:07.880] on whether the buoy was going up and down, [27:07.880 --> 27:09.800] what the rate of going up and down is. [27:09.800 --> 27:12.400] So we'll be able to see what kind of waves we have. [27:12.400 --> 27:15.500] If we have really crazy out of control waves [27:15.500 --> 27:18.360] or if we have a slow and steady, [27:18.360 --> 27:20.280] very calm that you'd actually want to live in [27:21.240 --> 27:25.560] because living in big waves is not necessarily fun to do. [27:26.080 --> 27:27.700] Our homes are actually, [27:27.700 --> 27:28.700] we've engineered the homes [27:28.700 --> 27:30.800] so they actually float above the water. [27:30.800 --> 27:33.120] So we're suspended on a pole [27:33.120 --> 27:38.000] that is about two and a half meters above the wave area. [27:38.100 --> 27:41.540] So that makes us very comfortable, [27:41.540 --> 27:43.380] but still when it's really, really, [27:43.380 --> 27:45.120] when the conditions are really wavy, [27:45.120 --> 27:47.920] then it's still not nice to live in. [27:48.220 --> 27:50.440] So being able to collect all that data [27:50.440 --> 27:51.800] in advance is really good. [27:51.800 --> 27:55.180] And we also really want to have clear data [27:55.620 --> 28:01.700] that can show the current state of the environment [28:01.700 --> 28:04.440] before we put a seastead in that area, [28:04.980 --> 28:08.380] because we don't want to, three years from now, [28:08.380 --> 28:09.300] cause any kind of damage [28:09.300 --> 28:11.180] to the local marine environment. [28:11.180 --> 28:13.340] We want to make sure that our homes, [28:13.340 --> 28:14.360] we're actually engineering them [28:14.360 --> 28:19.120] so that they can be eco-restorative and not damaging. [28:20.040 --> 28:25.160] So for that, the more clear data we get as a reference, [28:25.180 --> 28:27.580] then that really helps us out a lot. [28:27.840 --> 28:29.480] Grant, I have a question from the audience, [28:29.480 --> 28:32.680] but I wanted to do just a follow-on question [28:32.680 --> 28:33.580] to what you're talking about, [28:33.580 --> 28:39.580] which is, is there a specific sort of climatological limit [28:39.580 --> 28:41.620] to where you're seasteading? [28:41.620 --> 28:44.600] What, I mean, is there, you were talking about Thailand, [28:44.600 --> 28:47.420] which is a pretty tremendous space, [28:47.420 --> 28:49.640] but are there places where you're like, [28:49.640 --> 28:50.740] this is just a terrible idea [28:50.740 --> 28:52.480] or the technology is not there yet? [28:52.480 --> 28:54.840] Is there an optimal zone for seasteading? [28:55.640 --> 28:57.280] Yes, there is. [28:57.740 --> 28:59.880] We are in Panama right now, [28:59.880 --> 29:03.440] and that is pretty much the optimal location to start [29:04.080 --> 29:07.720] because Panama is outside of the hurricane zone. [29:07.900 --> 29:11.640] There's a, I guess, seven or 800 kilometer band [29:12.260 --> 29:14.560] around the center of the earth, around the equator, [29:14.560 --> 29:16.340] where you don't have hurricanes, [29:16.340 --> 29:18.300] just because of the way the Coriolis effect [29:18.300 --> 29:19.700] of the earth works. [29:19.700 --> 29:22.240] You just can't get hurricanes in that area. [29:22.240 --> 29:24.060] So that's an ideal place to start [29:24.060 --> 29:27.100] because we don't have to worry about moving our home [29:27.100 --> 29:31.320] every year when the hurricane season starts again. [29:31.380 --> 29:33.440] So that's an ideal area. [29:34.240 --> 29:37.180] Obviously, a lot of people like being in warm, [29:37.180 --> 29:39.100] tropical, beautiful areas, [29:39.100 --> 29:42.240] and Panama has a lot of beautiful, untouched, [29:42.240 --> 29:46.840] green, jungly areas that are beautiful. [29:46.880 --> 29:49.200] And having your seastead close to land, [29:49.200 --> 29:51.060] so you have beautiful view of the mountains [29:51.060 --> 29:53.340] and the greeneries, it's really nice. [29:53.340 --> 29:55.600] So that kind of environment's really ideal [29:55.600 --> 29:58.680] versus putting it in the North Sea, [29:58.680 --> 30:00.160] in the Arctic somewhere, [30:00.160 --> 30:04.580] or someplace really cold with 100 foot waves. [30:05.540 --> 30:07.960] That's definitely someplace you don't want to be. [30:07.960 --> 30:12.220] We can engineer them for different conditions. [30:12.220 --> 30:15.000] Like our base of our seastead is actually built [30:15.000 --> 30:18.180] in the same base as a, like an oil rig. [30:18.180 --> 30:20.400] So we have these deep spars, [30:20.400 --> 30:22.140] which are poles that go deep into the water [30:22.140 --> 30:24.240] that have, that create the buoyancy. [30:24.240 --> 30:27.240] And then you have very heavy weight far below them, [30:27.240 --> 30:30.920] below the spar, and that gives you a lot of stability. [30:30.920 --> 30:33.400] So we have buoyancy as well as stability. [30:33.440 --> 30:36.360] And then we can just scale that up to something [30:36.360 --> 30:37.880] the size of an oil rig, [30:37.880 --> 30:40.860] which can be in pretty nasty conditions, [30:40.860 --> 30:44.540] but we, it's probably some place you don't want to live. [30:46.160 --> 30:50.600] Okay, so the question that came in is, [30:50.600 --> 30:54.320] do we see, are we aware of rovers or bots [30:54.320 --> 30:57.240] that use VR, virtual reality vision, [30:57.840 --> 31:01.200] navigation or virtual reality vision for operators? [31:01.200 --> 31:02.220] Do you see any advantage in that, [31:02.220 --> 31:03.300] or are more traditional methods [31:03.300 --> 31:05.340] of computer vision more useful? [31:05.740 --> 31:09.360] So this is a question about how the bot [31:09.360 --> 31:12.540] understands the environment that it's in. [31:12.980 --> 31:14.720] Grant, do you have any early thoughts on that? [31:14.720 --> 31:18.020] And then I will dial through my mental Rolodex [31:18.020 --> 31:19.640] and try and remember a time for the Navy. [31:19.640 --> 31:20.060] Go ahead. [31:21.600 --> 31:24.500] I think that would be the ideal condition [31:24.500 --> 31:30.760] for us to have as far as giving people [31:30.980 --> 31:34.780] a really good idea of what living on the water can be like, [31:34.780 --> 31:37.540] but actually like being able to have them [31:37.540 --> 31:39.700] either remotely or onsite, [31:39.700 --> 31:41.620] where they can actually put on a headset [31:41.620 --> 31:45.660] and like swim through the water [31:45.660 --> 31:48.660] and see underneath the water and see what's going on. [31:48.660 --> 31:50.580] If we could give that kind of experience [31:50.580 --> 31:53.100] to people either remotely or onsite, [31:53.100 --> 31:57.800] that they could actually experience it in that way, [31:57.800 --> 31:59.880] that would give a dimension [32:00.420 --> 32:02.700] that people haven't really had before [32:03.200 --> 32:04.700] and to be super interactive [32:04.700 --> 32:06.960] and be able to explore the area. [32:07.000 --> 32:10.660] And so from a tourist kind of point of view, [32:10.660 --> 32:12.700] or to get people kind of introduced [32:12.700 --> 32:16.060] to this whole new way of living and being, [32:16.060 --> 32:19.960] which is totally foreign to most people living on the ocean. [32:19.960 --> 32:22.300] That's a big step for most people. [32:22.300 --> 32:24.200] But if you can kind of have those baby steps [32:24.200 --> 32:25.920] to give them a little vision [32:25.920 --> 32:28.360] of some pretty incredible sights [32:28.360 --> 32:29.360] that you wouldn't normally see, [32:29.360 --> 32:31.700] that would be really, really fantastic. [32:32.240 --> 32:33.580] Yeah, so Grant, I agree. [32:33.580 --> 32:37.100] Like I think really, particularly for tourism, [32:37.800 --> 32:39.260] getting people to sort of buy in [32:39.260 --> 32:41.960] and understand what it's like to be down there. [32:42.080 --> 32:44.340] I mean, there's something... [32:44.340 --> 32:45.500] We are human, right? [32:45.500 --> 32:46.900] There's something compelling. [32:46.900 --> 32:48.080] We are sense animals. [32:48.080 --> 32:49.440] And if you can get more sense [32:49.960 --> 32:51.860] that a human can understand down there, [32:51.860 --> 32:53.260] that is super helpful. [32:53.260 --> 32:55.500] I will admit that to my knowledge, [32:55.500 --> 32:59.240] Navy, who is not particularly interested in human sense, [32:59.240 --> 33:01.780] but is more interested in sort of targeting, [33:01.780 --> 33:02.820] fixing, tracking, [33:02.820 --> 33:06.260] their challenge set is already super hard. [33:06.680 --> 33:08.260] So for instance, [33:09.060 --> 33:11.860] so if you're a big Navy asset [33:11.860 --> 33:14.040] and somebody has fired something at you [33:14.040 --> 33:15.960] from far, far away under the water, [33:16.880 --> 33:18.480] like your biggest concern [33:18.480 --> 33:20.960] is by the time you figured out where it is, [33:20.960 --> 33:23.780] if it has any self-guiding capabilities, [33:23.780 --> 33:26.620] then you're gonna try and counterfeit, [33:26.620 --> 33:28.120] that gets military really fast. [33:28.120 --> 33:29.320] You're gonna try and counter fire, [33:29.320 --> 33:31.940] but you have to try and guess where it's gonna be. [33:32.440 --> 33:37.180] And so a lot of that stuff isn't really VR relevant. [33:37.180 --> 33:38.300] Navy is really thinking about [33:38.300 --> 33:40.080] how do I stop someone from hitting me? [33:40.080 --> 33:42.760] Really, 99% of Navy's question is [33:42.760 --> 33:45.240] how do I avoid getting struck by something? [33:46.440 --> 33:50.260] And so, but I love the question about VR [33:50.260 --> 33:51.820] because I think it makes me think [33:51.820 --> 33:53.580] that we're not thinking broadly enough in the Navy [33:53.580 --> 33:56.500] about the way to onboard these new capabilities. [33:56.540 --> 33:59.520] Grant, I have another question for you, if you don't mind. [33:59.520 --> 34:00.340] Sure. [34:00.500 --> 34:02.060] Okay, so it says, [34:02.060 --> 34:04.540] do the homes have any built-in capability [34:05.040 --> 34:08.040] to collect data from the environment around them? [34:08.040 --> 34:10.220] So like, not just sort of like something you, [34:10.220 --> 34:11.660] but like in and of itself, [34:11.660 --> 34:15.200] built into the infrastructure of the seastead itself. [34:16.420 --> 34:20.620] Yes, we're building as many sensors as we can into homes [34:20.620 --> 34:24.520] to make them really, [34:24.520 --> 34:27.300] we want to make them smartest home on the sea. [34:27.300 --> 34:29.340] Well, they will be because there's not a lot of smart, [34:29.340 --> 34:30.620] really smart homes on the sea [34:30.620 --> 34:32.600] because we're the only ones building. [34:34.060 --> 34:38.920] So first level, we have a weather sensor that's on the roof [34:38.920 --> 34:44.860] that detects lightning strikes and detects UV, [34:44.860 --> 34:51.880] the wind direction and a whole host of data, [34:51.880 --> 34:55.420] humidity, temperature, barometric pressure. [34:55.420 --> 34:57.320] And so there's a long list of things [34:57.320 --> 34:59.260] that it collects right from there. [34:59.520 --> 35:04.360] We will have sensors inside that will detect movement [35:05.180 --> 35:09.460] because we want to be able to chart what the movement's like [35:09.460 --> 35:11.160] if we are getting, [35:11.160 --> 35:13.780] and say, if you're away from your home for a while [35:13.780 --> 35:16.960] and then your home starts moving around for some reason, [35:16.960 --> 35:19.120] we would like to be able to give you an alert. [35:19.120 --> 35:20.820] Maybe there's a big storm coming [35:20.820 --> 35:22.400] and you can call your neighbor [35:22.400 --> 35:24.940] and ask him to close the doors or something [35:24.940 --> 35:27.240] or close the windows or whatever. [35:27.680 --> 35:31.580] Or you can just do it remotely from your handheld, [35:31.580 --> 35:32.960] from your phone. [35:33.700 --> 35:38.040] So we're building a lot of sensors like that. [35:39.040 --> 35:42.820] I can't even, there's gonna be standard sensors, [35:43.860 --> 35:47.820] but environmental sensors, we'll have as many as we can. [35:47.820 --> 35:50.960] We would like to be able to detect the temperature [35:51.280 --> 35:54.460] of the water at different levels going down. [35:54.460 --> 35:56.640] We'd like to be able to turn each home [35:56.640 --> 35:58.160] basically into research station [35:58.160 --> 36:02.040] and document the environment, the marine environment we're in [36:02.040 --> 36:05.600] because we're not just trying to make homes on the water. [36:05.600 --> 36:09.440] We're trying to make homes that are a positive contribution [36:09.440 --> 36:10.760] to the environment. [36:10.760 --> 36:13.480] So part of doing that is to be able to assess [36:13.480 --> 36:14.660] what the environment is like [36:14.660 --> 36:17.380] and if we're improving it or not improving it. [36:17.380 --> 36:22.880] So we want to measure the turbidity, the alkalinity, [36:22.880 --> 36:28.900] the pH and all the same thing and other factors. [36:28.900 --> 36:35.840] So we can see if there's more life after they've, [36:35.840 --> 36:38.660] our homes have been in the water for a couple of years [36:38.660 --> 36:40.220] or a couple of months or whatever. [36:40.220 --> 36:41.500] When we had our home in Thailand [36:41.500 --> 36:44.920] after only two months of being in the water, [36:44.920 --> 36:47.700] it went from being like a desert basically under the water, [36:47.700 --> 36:50.580] which most of the water, most of the ocean is a desert [36:51.780 --> 36:54.340] when you get far away from the coast. [36:54.800 --> 36:57.060] And we're 13 miles away from the coast. [36:57.060 --> 36:59.540] So in that case, after two months, [36:59.540 --> 37:01.480] we went from having nothing around [37:01.480 --> 37:03.980] to having thousands and thousands of fish. [37:04.100 --> 37:06.520] So we like having that kind of success story [37:06.520 --> 37:08.280] and we'd like to be able to reproduce that. [37:08.280 --> 37:09.620] So we're gonna try to use sensors [37:09.620 --> 37:12.220] to collect as much data as we can. [37:13.080 --> 37:16.400] So this is a, I mean, so the, so sorry, [37:16.400 --> 37:19.000] I don't want to make this super military, [37:19.000 --> 37:20.500] but please forgive me, Grant. [37:20.620 --> 37:21.980] It's, you know, I have to translate [37:21.980 --> 37:24.540] for the war types of us out here. [37:24.940 --> 37:27.000] So you're talking about an ISR environment [37:27.000 --> 37:28.580] and where all that data is going. [37:28.580 --> 37:34.300] And I wonder what, so from a person [37:34.300 --> 37:37.500] who doesn't want everything to be about the military, [37:37.500 --> 37:42.500] but knows once the military gets a hold of something, [37:42.500 --> 37:44.640] they're gonna make it about the military. [37:45.100 --> 37:51.840] It's just, it's an interesting side effect of that mindset. [37:51.840 --> 37:54.180] Do you have any security concerns [37:54.180 --> 37:56.240] about the data that you're collecting [37:56.240 --> 38:02.080] being used against the countries where your homesteads are? [38:02.860 --> 38:05.740] That's a terrible, I'm super sorry I had to ask it. [38:05.740 --> 38:06.880] I'm sorry. [38:07.340 --> 38:09.420] Yeah, no security is an issue. [38:09.420 --> 38:10.400] Come on. [38:10.460 --> 38:15.660] Yeah, well, that's why I already spoke with Brian [38:15.820 --> 38:21.060] a couple, maybe a week ago about having all of our systems [38:22.020 --> 38:25.200] have security threat analysis done on, [38:26.160 --> 38:28.560] even each of our sensors, [38:28.560 --> 38:31.360] all the hardware we're going to be using, [38:31.360 --> 38:32.760] all of our systems, [38:32.760 --> 38:35.220] and then just have people try to hack it [38:35.220 --> 38:37.520] and see what they can come up with [38:37.520 --> 38:41.180] and try to patch as many of those things as possible. [38:42.760 --> 38:45.080] So we're going to, what we want to do [38:45.080 --> 38:47.780] is to be able to have all this data [38:47.780 --> 38:49.940] and you can get your Seastead [38:49.940 --> 38:51.900] and not put all this stuff in it, [38:51.900 --> 38:54.740] but I would like to be able to collect data [38:55.940 --> 39:00.220] and we can, as if you're an owner of the Seastead, [39:00.220 --> 39:02.600] you can have the option of having that data [39:02.600 --> 39:05.720] where that's available to you and only you, [39:05.720 --> 39:07.100] and that's encrypted, [39:07.100 --> 39:09.600] and you're the only one that has access to it [39:09.600 --> 39:11.200] and we'll probably put it on a blockchain [39:11.200 --> 39:13.160] or whatever makes sense to, [39:13.160 --> 39:15.140] and then you can release the data [39:15.140 --> 39:17.800] if you want to share that with anyone else. [39:18.780 --> 39:20.640] If you want to share it with, [39:20.640 --> 39:22.380] like you can share it with just yourself, [39:22.380 --> 39:23.300] you can share it publicly, [39:23.300 --> 39:26.280] or you could share it just with like a management company [39:26.280 --> 39:30.340] that can see, okay, that the sensor at your house [39:30.340 --> 39:33.820] is showing that your water levels are getting really low [39:33.820 --> 39:36.540] and you need to, I don't know, [39:36.540 --> 39:39.660] replace your something on your home [39:39.660 --> 39:41.260] because it's at a critical level. [39:41.260 --> 39:44.000] Or if your battery level's too low [39:44.000 --> 39:47.220] and your power system's not going to be able to continue [39:47.220 --> 39:50.720] and you're away, then we can come and help take care of that [39:50.720 --> 39:53.180] or management company can come in and take care of that. [39:53.180 --> 39:55.680] So there has to be, I think, different permission levels [39:55.680 --> 39:57.540] for where your data's going to go [39:57.540 --> 39:59.880] and there has to be really good testing [39:59.880 --> 40:03.120] to make sure hackers have a hard time getting in, [40:03.120 --> 40:04.760] as hard as possible. [40:05.000 --> 40:08.480] Yeah, no, that's, I mean, it's interesting [40:08.480 --> 40:09.460] because we live in an era [40:10.800 --> 40:13.640] where seemingly innocuous information, [40:13.640 --> 40:16.000] right, I mean, this is the big debate, [40:16.000 --> 40:18.200] not to go super meta, [40:18.200 --> 40:19.600] but this is the big debate about, [40:19.600 --> 40:21.700] like, what's the harm in TikTok, right? [40:21.700 --> 40:24.420] Like, what is the harm in, [40:25.090 --> 40:26.300] we can just say a company, [40:26.300 --> 40:28.620] but we can also say a country, right? [40:28.700 --> 40:31.800] Both can be equally evil. [40:32.240 --> 40:35.700] What is the harm in all of this [40:35.700 --> 40:38.720] seemingly innocuous data being built up? [40:38.800 --> 40:43.140] And so not to, and honestly, [40:43.140 --> 40:44.660] everybody should tune in tomorrow [40:44.660 --> 40:47.220] for Grant's talk on C7 specifically, [40:47.220 --> 40:50.940] but just to sort of open the door a little bit, [40:52.160 --> 40:56.340] what kinds of concerns do you have [40:56.340 --> 40:59.800] about big data that you're collecting? [40:59.800 --> 41:01.920] Like, have you thought through [41:01.920 --> 41:04.420] what someone might use that stuff for? [41:06.960 --> 41:09.640] I'm an optimist, so I always look at, [41:10.080 --> 41:12.480] I always look towards the positive, [41:12.480 --> 41:15.760] so I'm looking at what amazing things we can do, [41:15.760 --> 41:19.620] because I genuinely, I'm not doing this [41:19.620 --> 41:21.980] because I need to do another project. [41:22.260 --> 41:24.300] I'm doing this because I love doing this, [41:24.300 --> 41:27.260] and I want to do something that I think we can, [41:27.260 --> 41:29.880] I think when we build homes on land, [41:29.880 --> 41:31.340] we kind of destroy the land, [41:31.340 --> 41:32.560] and, you know, clear cut the forest, [41:32.560 --> 41:34.460] and that's not, you know, it's not a good, [41:34.460 --> 41:36.600] we're not being a good citizen of the planet. [41:36.720 --> 41:39.560] But I think there's, what I saw last year in Thailand, [41:39.560 --> 41:43.640] with so much life all of a sudden just appearing [41:43.640 --> 41:46.940] after just two months, that gives us an opportunity [41:46.940 --> 41:51.640] to actually be a good citizen of the planet. [41:51.680 --> 41:55.820] So I'd like to, I see this as, [41:55.820 --> 41:58.540] I always look at the ways of making an improvement [41:58.540 --> 42:01.280] to the situation, and I think we can use data [42:01.280 --> 42:08.160] to help improve the restoration of coral reefs in the world. [42:08.680 --> 42:11.140] So I'm going to, I'm going to plus up, [42:11.140 --> 42:12.560] because there's a question that's come through [42:12.800 --> 42:14.500] a little bit further about the telemetry data [42:14.500 --> 42:17.720] that you could collect passively from these seasteads. [42:17.720 --> 42:19.500] And I'm going to ask it specifically [42:19.500 --> 42:21.420] because folks are asking, and then, [42:21.920 --> 42:23.960] and I realize we're going to run out of time here [42:23.960 --> 42:28.240] in about 14 minutes, but, and you and I will again, [42:28.240 --> 42:31.320] talk through and invite people to join us [42:31.320 --> 42:34.340] in next year's bot challenge. [42:34.340 --> 42:36.700] But the question again is, [42:36.700 --> 42:38.120] are you guys thinking about this [42:38.120 --> 42:40.080] from an educational standpoint? [42:40.080 --> 42:42.660] Like this, the data you're collecting doesn't, [42:42.660 --> 42:44.900] I mean, you guys are looking [42:44.900 --> 42:47.220] to benefit the environment directly, [42:47.620 --> 42:48.940] but I mean, is there like, [42:48.940 --> 42:53.360] is there some sort of partnership or subsidies, [42:53.360 --> 42:54.800] like educational institutes? [42:54.800 --> 42:57.640] Like, are you trying to partner to try and, [42:58.080 --> 43:02.560] and make all of this telemetry have effects [43:03.060 --> 43:05.400] beyond just the seasteading element? [43:07.240 --> 43:08.620] About two weeks ago, [43:08.620 --> 43:10.260] we started reaching out to people [43:10.260 --> 43:13.020] that we could partner with. [43:13.200 --> 43:15.860] I basically have 150 projects, [43:15.860 --> 43:18.800] like huge projects going on simultaneously. [43:18.800 --> 43:22.200] So, and it's all filtering through me at the moment. [43:22.200 --> 43:22.720] So that's a little bit- [43:22.720 --> 43:24.220] This is how we know you're a hacker. [43:24.220 --> 43:25.200] Go ahead. [43:26.340 --> 43:30.300] So I'm trying to bring more people on board [43:30.300 --> 43:35.160] to help distribute some of the research [43:35.160 --> 43:37.580] because there's just so much I can do. [43:39.540 --> 43:46.540] But I would, yeah, there's a lot filtering [43:46.540 --> 43:47.320] through me right now. [43:47.320 --> 43:49.840] So we need to get a better handle on that. [43:49.840 --> 43:53.200] And then I think we'll be in a pretty good position [43:53.200 --> 43:58.120] to make, to do some really good things with the data. [44:00.300 --> 44:03.020] So I guess partners, [44:03.020 --> 44:04.760] there's a lot of people we could partner with [44:04.760 --> 44:06.160] and that's just another project [44:06.160 --> 44:08.080] to find the right partners. [44:08.080 --> 44:11.360] And I have started to, we have started to look, [44:11.360 --> 44:13.460] we've started to reach out to find the right people [44:13.940 --> 44:15.440] that would like to partner with us. [44:15.440 --> 44:18.220] And we're open to, if anyone has any suggestions, [44:18.620 --> 44:19.840] I'm all ears. [44:19.980 --> 44:24.560] Just send it in the chat or on the Seasteading channel. [44:25.900 --> 44:27.860] Cool. Thank you so much, Grant. [44:27.860 --> 44:31.040] All right, so we're going to round this out. [44:31.220 --> 44:33.180] Actually, StrikePod has a question for us [44:33.660 --> 44:35.600] that I think we should probably address [44:35.600 --> 44:39.020] or at least take seriously as we build out our guidelines. [44:39.020 --> 44:44.720] He wants to know to what degree are COTS products allowed? [44:44.720 --> 44:47.200] So consumer off the shelf products [44:47.200 --> 44:52.620] in building either your floater class or my swimmer class, [44:53.160 --> 44:58.380] can we buy some local bot for 300 bucks [44:58.380 --> 44:59.920] and then just repurpose it? [44:59.920 --> 45:01.420] And does that stay within [45:01.420 --> 45:04.440] our open source guidelines requirement? [45:04.620 --> 45:06.400] And I realized that we're asking on the fly [45:06.400 --> 45:08.020] because I know you and I were going to try [45:08.020 --> 45:09.880] and sit down together and noodle out [45:09.880 --> 45:12.120] exactly what kinds of limitations [45:12.120 --> 45:14.720] we want to slap on these folks for next year. [45:14.840 --> 45:18.680] But do you want to take a stab at COTS products? [45:19.140 --> 45:22.800] And then I'll give my preliminary thoughts on that. [45:23.740 --> 45:29.200] Yeah, I really want to have this done in the open source [45:29.200 --> 45:34.880] and I guess if that interferes with that, [45:34.880 --> 45:38.520] then that's like kind of kills it. [45:38.520 --> 45:42.560] So if you're buying something off the shelf [45:42.560 --> 45:45.700] and then modifying everything on top of that, [45:45.700 --> 45:47.780] I don't think that would give enough [45:47.780 --> 45:52.880] of a open source component. [45:53.400 --> 45:58.380] Maybe if there's a consumer part [45:58.380 --> 46:02.220] that, I don't know, is maybe like, I don't know, [46:02.860 --> 46:05.920] an off-the-shelf robot arm or something [46:05.920 --> 46:08.280] that could be plugged into the whole system [46:09.920 --> 46:12.240] and that wasn't an essential part of it, [46:12.240 --> 46:15.200] then I guess that could be acceptable. [46:15.200 --> 46:17.700] But if you're just modifying [46:17.700 --> 46:21.020] an off-the-shelf aquatic drone, [46:21.020 --> 46:25.040] then I don't think that would be... [46:25.040 --> 46:27.440] I think if the guts, the core guts of it [46:27.440 --> 46:31.580] are commercial and closed source, [46:31.580 --> 46:33.420] then I think that would be a killer. [46:35.300 --> 46:37.280] I think I agree. [46:37.280 --> 46:40.180] Again, we're doing this on the fly as we dream this up. [46:42.060 --> 46:44.840] And before we wrap out, I'm going to have Grant [46:44.840 --> 46:49.960] remind us of what he thinks the early speculation, [46:50.660 --> 46:52.820] what the floater class requirements are going to be. [46:52.820 --> 46:55.020] And I know he's been working up a sheet on that. [46:55.780 --> 46:58.220] But I am inclined to say [46:59.420 --> 47:02.400] that if you want to use a COTS product [47:02.400 --> 47:04.120] for pricing components, right? [47:04.120 --> 47:07.120] So we have $1,000 limit on the swimmer class. [47:07.120 --> 47:10.040] If you want to use a COTS product, [47:10.040 --> 47:13.560] you at a minimum need to show me [47:13.560 --> 47:15.740] that it has been reverse engineered [47:16.980 --> 47:20.460] such that you are really economizing on costs [47:21.000 --> 47:24.100] for private production of a servo, [47:24.100 --> 47:27.100] but you would at least have to prove to me [47:27.100 --> 47:28.940] that like, no, look, it's been reverse engineered [47:28.940 --> 47:32.240] and those reverse engineered components are available, [47:32.240 --> 47:34.840] open source, and so a person can sit down and do that stuff. [47:34.840 --> 47:36.720] I am just cutting to the chase. [47:37.060 --> 47:38.420] And I think that's fair, [47:38.420 --> 47:40.520] but you have to show me that it was the case. [47:40.520 --> 47:44.440] And I think that, again, so for the swimmer class, [47:44.440 --> 47:45.720] we're going to have some gates [47:45.720 --> 47:47.260] that people are going to have to go through [47:47.260 --> 47:48.140] throughout the year, [47:48.140 --> 47:49.380] because we want to make sure that [47:49.380 --> 47:53.360] by the time we get to the pool in Las Vegas, [47:54.100 --> 47:55.960] we have got some, you know, [47:55.960 --> 47:59.660] no shit, seriously interesting bots. [47:59.660 --> 48:01.200] They might be dumb, right? [48:01.200 --> 48:03.220] They might be running into the wall repeatedly, [48:03.220 --> 48:05.280] but then we've got some bots that, you know, [48:05.280 --> 48:10.000] at a minimum, like our pool maker gear thought through [48:10.000 --> 48:12.380] and are going to behave in interesting ways [48:12.380 --> 48:14.020] that we had not anticipated. [48:14.060 --> 48:15.800] Then part of the fun of the hackerspace [48:16.400 --> 48:17.820] is just giving it a shot [48:17.820 --> 48:20.000] and seeing all the variation that emerges. [48:20.000 --> 48:22.060] One of the most beautiful parts of this community [48:22.060 --> 48:24.240] is that everybody's teaching us [48:24.240 --> 48:26.580] different ways to go at a question. [48:26.580 --> 48:28.560] So we're not trying to close that down. [48:28.560 --> 48:30.300] In fact, I'm trying to open it up, [48:31.160 --> 48:33.880] which is why we don't want this to be about COTS, right? [48:33.880 --> 48:35.080] We don't want this to be about, [48:35.080 --> 48:37.580] we want you to show us all the ways [48:37.580 --> 48:38.860] in which you're coming at, [48:38.860 --> 48:40.680] I don't want you to tether for power [48:40.680 --> 48:43.300] in a curiously interesting way. [48:44.420 --> 48:47.680] You know, there's a lot of urine in Vegas pools. [48:47.680 --> 48:50.160] Maybe you can use that as a power source, hard to say. [48:50.160 --> 48:51.880] But you know, sort of speculate [48:51.880 --> 48:53.980] and then think your way through it. [48:54.420 --> 48:56.500] If we have any luck, [48:56.500 --> 49:00.220] we will be able to secure a Las Vegas pool to do this in. [49:01.240 --> 49:05.780] And so, you know, really just try and get a tan a little bit [49:05.780 --> 49:08.140] so that you don't die under the Vegas sun. [49:08.200 --> 49:10.160] And okay, so Grant, I want you, [49:10.160 --> 49:13.120] as we ramp out of the eight minutes left, [49:14.580 --> 49:17.440] give me, again, just to recap for the folks, [49:17.440 --> 49:19.960] give me the primary challenges, [49:19.960 --> 49:22.700] the floater class are going to come up against. [49:22.700 --> 49:24.140] What are the primary, you're like, [49:24.140 --> 49:26.640] this, I think this is really the issue. [49:28.680 --> 49:32.640] Well, the big piece of it would be [49:32.640 --> 49:36.420] to be able to collect data and store it, [49:36.420 --> 49:38.040] but also send it. [49:38.340 --> 49:43.720] And sending a distance on the water [49:43.720 --> 49:46.200] could be a little bit tricky, [49:46.200 --> 49:47.680] could be a little bit challenging, [49:48.260 --> 49:50.720] because we may not have a station nearby [49:50.720 --> 49:52.460] where we can just, we're just sitting there [49:52.460 --> 49:54.300] waiting for the data to come in. [49:54.460 --> 49:57.920] But to be useful, we have to be able to collect it. [49:57.980 --> 50:00.740] And some of these could be fairly remote [50:01.380 --> 50:03.220] in areas that are hard to get to. [50:03.220 --> 50:06.620] So it would be very advantageous [50:06.620 --> 50:11.300] to have as long of a transmission period as possible. [50:11.300 --> 50:15.020] I don't know how I will test that in Vegas in a pool. [50:15.320 --> 50:16.580] Good luck. [50:17.080 --> 50:22.780] Yeah, so maybe we'll have a team three miles away [50:22.780 --> 50:25.580] and seeing if they can pick up the sensor data [50:25.580 --> 50:29.860] from the pool, that could possibly work. [50:30.540 --> 50:33.060] So that's going to be really important. [50:33.060 --> 50:39.800] Being able to check wave height is really important. [50:40.000 --> 50:41.300] Interesting, yes. [50:41.300 --> 50:43.420] I'm sorry, I haven't been thinking about surface vehicles. [50:43.420 --> 50:44.580] Oh, you're totally right. [50:44.580 --> 50:45.880] Okay, go on, sorry. [50:45.880 --> 50:47.600] It didn't mean to interrupt, duh. [50:47.660 --> 50:48.960] All right, go ahead. [50:49.080 --> 50:53.700] We would like to be able to know how big the waves are, [50:53.700 --> 50:57.640] what the period between the waves is. [50:57.860 --> 51:00.680] So all that data is really useful. [51:00.720 --> 51:02.540] We'd like to find out if there's a way to find out [51:02.540 --> 51:06.760] the direction of the waves from sensors. [51:07.140 --> 51:10.520] And I was trying to figure out myself how I would do that. [51:10.520 --> 51:12.540] And I haven't put too much thought into it, [51:12.540 --> 51:14.040] but I haven't come up with the solution [51:14.040 --> 51:17.960] on how to do that just with sensors, [51:17.960 --> 51:21.000] unless we brought AI or machine learning in [51:21.000 --> 51:23.660] and had cameras to be able to do that. [51:23.660 --> 51:25.520] Oh, I have so many ideas right now. [51:25.520 --> 51:26.660] Go on, sorry. [51:26.720 --> 51:30.140] Come on, we need a flat surface and a couple levels [51:30.140 --> 51:31.760] and you know, you know. [51:31.760 --> 51:33.000] Sorry, go ahead. [51:34.980 --> 51:38.880] Then, so just standard, [51:38.880 --> 51:42.460] we can collect standard weather data as well. [51:44.780 --> 51:49.840] Probably we'd want to know lightning data as well. [51:49.840 --> 51:52.520] If there's a lot of lightning strikes in that area, [51:52.520 --> 51:55.840] we might not love to be in that area [51:55.840 --> 51:58.780] if there's a lot of lightning coming down in that area. [51:58.780 --> 52:01.720] So that's a condition. [52:02.800 --> 52:06.280] So we're going to see which are the most important items [52:06.280 --> 52:09.860] for us to have on this list as a final specification. [52:10.460 --> 52:11.980] Solar powered would be nice. [52:11.980 --> 52:14.020] So they can last as long as possible [52:14.020 --> 52:15.200] and we don't have to go out [52:15.200 --> 52:18.300] and change the batteries every week. [52:18.840 --> 52:22.900] If it could be continually charged, that would be ideal. [52:24.120 --> 52:28.260] So those are, I think, some of the more important things. [52:28.360 --> 52:31.380] And of course, collecting any kind of water data we can, [52:31.380 --> 52:39.220] like pH or salinity, temperature, turbidity, [52:41.000 --> 52:44.420] cameras under the water that can identify fish [52:44.420 --> 52:47.560] with machine learning would be really cool as well. [52:47.560 --> 52:49.560] Oh, interesting. Wow. [52:49.800 --> 52:53.520] So that's, so honestly, that's going to be VR, right? [52:53.520 --> 52:55.760] That is going to be, I mean, I don't, [52:55.760 --> 52:57.240] I don't think anyone's got a, [52:57.800 --> 52:59.840] I don't think anyone's got a massive database [52:59.840 --> 53:02.260] of fish signatures. [53:02.260 --> 53:04.700] I mean, maybe tuna, if you're lucky. [53:06.280 --> 53:08.360] Gosh, I don't, yeah, that's really interesting. [53:08.360 --> 53:09.380] I hadn't thought about that before, [53:09.380 --> 53:11.160] but yeah, like what does a fish look like [53:11.160 --> 53:14.380] and how is it not a plastic bag? [53:14.380 --> 53:17.060] And interesting, interesting. [53:17.060 --> 53:18.600] Okay. All right. [53:19.620 --> 53:21.880] So from a naval perspective, [53:21.880 --> 53:26.460] and you folks know me, like I don't have to talk. [53:26.460 --> 53:29.520] I will talk from this perspective because I think, [53:29.950 --> 53:30.880] because I think it's different, [53:30.880 --> 53:32.360] because I think it's complete contrast [53:32.360 --> 53:34.140] into what Grant's talking about. [53:34.140 --> 53:35.680] And I love what Grant's talking about. [53:35.680 --> 53:37.820] I think it's fascinating. It's amazing. [53:37.820 --> 53:39.360] It's useful for the future. [53:40.940 --> 53:42.560] But in contrast, right, [53:42.560 --> 53:45.180] like what are some other kinds of challenges? [53:45.180 --> 53:48.500] So Grant's talking about survival of a floater. [53:48.500 --> 53:50.000] He's talking about persistence. [53:50.000 --> 53:52.960] He's talking about integrity of the data long enough [53:52.960 --> 53:54.140] so you can fetch it back. [53:54.140 --> 53:56.760] And I think that all of those things also matter [53:57.640 --> 54:01.260] when it comes to things like how do, [54:01.260 --> 54:05.000] how does a Navy project power, [54:05.000 --> 54:08.660] or at least protect vessels that are going along in the sea? [54:08.660 --> 54:12.380] Like one of the real issues of play for Navy is, [54:12.380 --> 54:15.020] for all Navies, not just the US Navy, [54:15.020 --> 54:19.420] is how do we protect where so much [54:19.420 --> 54:21.020] of the world's commerce comes from? [54:21.020 --> 54:23.300] So for folks who don't know, right, [54:23.300 --> 54:26.000] all the items, probably the vast majority of the items [54:26.000 --> 54:27.440] that you have running around in your house [54:27.440 --> 54:29.960] come to you via a boat. [54:29.960 --> 54:31.660] They come via a ship. [54:31.660 --> 54:33.260] They float on the surface. [54:33.260 --> 54:36.520] And one of the things that Navies and Coast Guards [54:36.520 --> 54:39.340] are required to do is ensure the safe passage [54:39.960 --> 54:41.600] of these objects, right? [54:41.600 --> 54:44.400] And if we're all impatient Amazon consumers, [54:44.400 --> 54:46.240] then we want it now. [54:46.960 --> 54:48.520] And so the question is, you know, [54:48.520 --> 54:50.540] how do you prevent those kinds of delays? [54:50.540 --> 54:53.080] How do you ensure freedom of navigation, [54:53.080 --> 54:53.780] freedom of the sea? [54:53.780 --> 54:55.380] So it's a Navy question. [54:56.140 --> 55:06.420] For Navy, the biggest concerns are about following things. [55:06.780 --> 55:10.060] The biggest concerns for the Navy are which of these, [55:10.060 --> 55:14.160] we call them white, we call those white ships, [55:14.160 --> 55:17.460] white ships being ships that aren't out there [55:17.460 --> 55:18.980] with a military capacity. [55:18.980 --> 55:22.080] They're there to, you know, bring tourists around [55:22.080 --> 55:26.260] or they're there to move cargo from China to the US, right? [55:26.260 --> 55:27.600] This is white. [55:28.340 --> 55:30.480] So how do you tell the difference [55:30.480 --> 55:32.640] between white and other forces? [55:32.640 --> 55:34.680] How do you then, once you've identified [55:34.680 --> 55:37.880] these other elements that could be doing terrible things [55:37.880 --> 55:40.100] or might be trying to do terrible things, [55:40.100 --> 55:42.500] how do you follow them in a meaningful way [55:42.500 --> 55:45.220] without having to send out a ship [55:45.220 --> 55:48.180] and literally follow it, right? [55:48.300 --> 55:51.720] And so really the question for the floater's flimmer class [55:51.720 --> 55:57.600] for us is about locating something almost passively, right? [55:57.600 --> 56:00.220] From an ISR perspective, almost passively, [56:00.220 --> 56:03.100] just being able to sort of map who's who in the zoo [56:03.100 --> 56:04.860] and where are you heading this week? [56:04.860 --> 56:07.700] And honestly, so Gary Kessler is gonna talk to you folks [56:07.700 --> 56:12.720] actually in the next hour, I think, about hacking AIS. [56:12.720 --> 56:16.400] And AIS is the system by which all ships voluntarily [56:17.360 --> 56:19.380] share their data, their tracking data [56:19.380 --> 56:21.020] as they transit the seas. [56:21.020 --> 56:25.500] And there's a real reason to be concerned about that system. [56:25.500 --> 56:28.080] And so we'll worry about that security [56:29.260 --> 56:31.540] in the next session. [56:31.960 --> 56:33.900] Anyway, so we're gonna say goodbye [56:33.900 --> 56:35.960] because I think we're down to our last minute. [56:36.740 --> 56:38.280] I love you all. [56:39.200 --> 56:40.840] Talk to you all soon and I miss... [56:40.840 --> 56:42.880] Go ahead, Grant, say goodbye. [56:43.100 --> 56:44.240] Thank you, everyone. [56:44.240 --> 56:47.440] I look forward to seeing you tomorrow on my talk. [56:47.440 --> 56:49.660] I think it's at 10 o'clock in the morning. [56:50.520 --> 56:51.820] Thanks, everybody. [56:51.820 --> 56:52.620] Bye.