Get to suffer as I go through them.
Okay, let me start. Get ready.
Kahoot.
Two, one.
Question one.
For the Monero E-A-E attack, what do the letter E's stand for?
Is it epidemic, exchange, elliptic curve, or environment?
Of course, in all of these cases, you should select the best answer.
On your phone, you just have the colors and...
an icon, so you will need to look at the screen.
There is about a five-second delay, so get those answers in as quick as possible.
I'm actually seeing more like a six-second delay.
You're almost out of time.
Wow, okay, yeah.
For the Monero E-A-E attack, the correct answer is the exchange.
E-A-E typically refers to a single user, at least in the case of E-A-E, with just one letter A in the middle,
where a user will take funds from one exchange and send it to another colluding exchange.
It does not have to be an exchange, but however, that's what the general name comes from.
The idea that you are KYC'd on two exchanges that would collude to potentially understand
that the Monero originated from the original exchange and ended up in the second exchange entity.
So exchange is the best answer there.
Elliptic curve is a cryptography term, and all the fancy-schmancy people chose that one,
but I think that, yeah, the E-A-E does not refer to cryptography.
It just refers to a limitation in targeted surveillance in Monero.
If you are interested in learning more, there is a Breaking Monero episode on E-A-E or the Poisoned Output attack.
A lot of these attacks are very similar. They're all derived from the same type of idea,
where you are engaging with colluding entities, so you should be a little bit careful there.
And yes, as NeedMoney90 says, please like and subscribe.
This is a typical S.H.I.E.L.D. channel. Let me insert an ad break here.
Just kidding, we're not affiliated.
I even turned off the setting where users on this channel, if...
I mean, I don't think people see ads. I'm not getting any money from Google.
But even if they did, they would not also see personalized ads.
I am getting less money than I already am not getting, so you're welcome.
Any case, let's see who scored well in these.
Knack answered the fastest, so they are on the top of the leaderboard.
They have 909 points, so congratulations, Knack.
Censored got that correct. JW got it correct.
J-T-B-V, which is really hard for me to say, because these letters are way too similar.
But yeah, four on the top of the leaderboard.
Scott, for some reason, is still on the leaderboard.
Scott, how did you not get that one? Come on, Scott, you should have known.
Scott, I'm disappointed in you.
All right. Also note, you get extra points, not just for answering quickly and correctly,
but by answering several correct in a row.
So you've got to get these long, correct answers in a row here.
Vic clearly is not as good at trivia as he is at making memes.
So, Vic, I'm watching out for you. You better get a few of these in.
Scott is now banned from DEF CON. Honestly, yes.
Scott, come on. Come on, Scott.
All right, question two. Maybe you'll do better on this one.
What does Monero most closely mean in Esperanto?
Money, cash, coin, or private?
Roasted, yeah.
The whole point of this is basically just to adjust and free-for-all roasting people.
Ultimately, the entire motivation I have behind this.
And no one else is in Jitsi with me to complain.
All right, we got a nice split here.
So, I was playing the long con here, actually, for a few reasons.
One, I gave this same question during the Moneroversary.
At least, if I have good memory, I guess you can check me on that.
But, yeah, most people got it wrong then, so I reuse the same question now.
And I also released a movie called Monero Means Money.
And it does not actually translate to money.
It does instead translate to coin in Esperanto.
That is when Monero first launched.
It did not launch as the name Monero. It launched as the name Bit Monero.
So, translated, basically, it was meant to mean Bit Coin.
You know, Esperanto, for some reason.
Esperanto, of course, is the world's most spoken constructed language.
It is not one that was just spoken by people for a long time.
It's a relatively recent language.
And it's meant to be one that everyone could use as a neutral constructed language.
But coin is the best answer here.
So, let's see who got this one correct.
Looks like someone else said that they got rekt.
X, X, sorry, X, X, X, X.
But, first place, still knack, got that one correct.
Censored, Need Money 90, still on there.
JW killing it.
Scott got that one correct.
And they moved up from their undeserved fifth place to fourth place.
And then JTBV on the board now.
Looks like they did not get that one correct, though.
Because they got the previous one correct.
So, really, Scott was the one who answered that one correctly.
All right, let's see how people do in the next question here.
Question three, what does the C in CLSAG stand for?
Is it circular, compact, concise, or cooperative?
People who were on for the MRL hour, office hours, earlier, hopefully know the answer to this one.
I always like watching these because...
All right, I just want to point out that for my quiz so far, the majority of people have answered incorrectly to every single one of these.
So clearly I'm doing something right.
But in no case has no one got it correct.
Actually, if you chose compact, you shouldn't feel too bad.
Because originally in MRL, they wanted to call it compact.
But they got some pushback.
They got a lot of saying, well, it's not compact technically.
Because compact technically is supposed to have these guidelines if you're following other papers, yada, yada, yada, yada.
And you're right, in a general use term, no one actually cares.
But cryptographers are a bunch of picky bunch.
And therefore, they decided to name it concise.
Because it met the other cryptography definitions.
Concise is what it actually is called.
So it's not cooperative. It's not circular.
I did throw that one in there in case someone thought it would be related to the circular ring.
But in fact, ring signatures are not actually the form of a circle.
They don't store actual pictures of blockchains in here.
Yeah, you're right. Knack probably got this one correct.
If Knack did not get this one correct, I think we can make fun of him more than anyone else that doesn't get these correct.
What?
Doug had defied your expectations there.
I would have bet money.
Maybe they went to the bathroom or something and weren't looking at the screen at the time.
Or misclicked as a result of you allegedly misclicking, Doug.
But Andres got that one correct. Meow got that one correct.
And Rottenkwinkus got that one correct, too.
JW censored Knack. Still remained at the top, though.
But Scott was punched off the leaderboard.
And yet, Knack is a researcher. So maybe they would know.
Alright, so this is pretty fun. It's still anyone's game at this point.
Of course, remember the last question alone is worth 2,000 points.
So, you never know.
Question 4. In its entire history, how many Monero transactions have hit the sender, receiver, and amount?
Is it about 6,500, 65,000, 650,000, or 6,500,000?
What is the closest answer here?
Not all Monero transactions in all of history.
Just ones that have hit the sender, receiver, and amount.
Noting that in the past, when Monero first launched, up until RingCT was a thing,
Monero did not hide the transaction amount.
Because it was just denominated.
Pretty poorly, honestly.
I don't know if everyone got the question in time there.
Make sure you are keeping track of the timer on the left
and note that there is at least a 5 second delay.
So get those answers in as quick as you can.
Yes, the answer is 6.5 million.
Which again, the majority of people did not get correct.
Maybe they just saw the highest number and were like,
Nah, that can't be true.
But yes, almost, at least as of last month,
it was over 6.2 million.
So yeah, about 6.5 million transactions in Monero
have hit the sender, receiver, and amount.
These are all RingCT transactions.
So that is pretty cool.
Well, if you did in fact have 2 million transactions alone,
that would not bode especially well
for traceability with low ring sizes.
With 11, we are probably fine.
But I would be pretty suspicious.
That is pretty much attack level there.
Maybe certain mining pools collectively have those.
Oh, let's see what other comments are coming in.
Anyone who has synced the blockchain on the terminal
will know how slow the later blocks are to sync.
Yeah, that is mostly a RingCT thing.
But luckily, CLSAG will definitely speed that up
for future transactions going forward.
And even so, Bulletproofs are much faster to verify.
Serang did this really awesome thing where he was just
looking at code and was like,
Wow, I found a way to make all Bulletproof transactions
much faster to verify even retroactively
by just being more efficient.
Because people just pull these optimizations out of nowhere
when you are a genius like they are.
Obviously, I am not a genius. I just make quizzes for people
and get them wrong half the time.
So yes, 6.5 million is the correct answer.
If you were watching some of my talks in the past,
one of which is on this channel,
I did reference over 6 million transactions.
So that is where I got the inspiration for this question.
Yeah, but it should be efficient.
We are doing our damn best to make sure it is as efficient as possible.
Oh, JW got that one correct.
Nat got that one incorrect.
I don't think Doug got this one correct either.
NeedMoney90 censored. Totally not the same set of people.
JW, I know that your life is basically just knowing crypto trivia.
It is basically your full-time job.
You don't need to convince me otherwise.
I know. But Andres, you got the last three correct.
So look at you. You are killing it too.
Still anybody's game here, really.
We have a ton of questions left.
Basically, yes. It basically is. Do not deny it.
Question 5.
Not how.
Okay, that is the freebie. I have to throw these in here.
What is the best answer here?
Not how.
See, I am making mistakes all the time.
It should be which.
Come on. Get those answers in.
Whose channel? Get it in.
And if you are watching now and want to join in this...
I mean, I was going to call it fun.
But I was instead going to call it rant slash chaos.
You can join going to Kahoot.it, game pin 354661.
People are doing so poorly that you can probably still beat a lot of them.
Manero says no is the best answer here.
You know what? NeedMoney90, that is not verifiable.
So I am going to call BS on that one.
And I am going to think that Manero says no is still probably the best answer here.
This is just basically my low-effort chill here.
Just to give people some chance of getting on the leaderboard.
And one person apparently threw that one away anyway.
So a lot of people are getting free points here. Thank goodness.
Bitconnect is the highest climb.
We are making our way up five places.
That means we are going to explode over the next few rounds.
And then die.
I am not getting anything correct.
So there is that going for it.
We are still on the top of the leaderboard.
Still only within three questions.
So let us see what the next question is.
Question six.
What is the name of Manero's current mining algorithm?
His name is Bitconnect.
Okay, whole fan back.
I do not know what happened there.
But luckily no one got it correct.
We are fine.
Screw you.
Okay, so we had a question that came in.
What was the name of Manero's current mining algorithm?
One person guessed by just clicking a random button.
And they did not get it correct.
I genuinely do not know what happened.
My internet just totally dropped out.
I think the stream was out too.
So very odd stuff.
Gotta love Comcast.
I had to switch to Comcast after I moved.
I know a lot of people probably would have gotten this one correct.
But no one did.
So it did break everyone's streaks I guess.
So if you did have a streak, perhaps Andreas, you are most negatively impacted.
Yeah, see Vic, the reason it crashed was because I knew you would get it right.
And I just could not let you.
Sorry about that everybody.
Luckily that does not change the scoreboard at all.
It resets your streaks, but I guess that is more fair anyway.
But I am just glad that one random person did not select the first option.
We have to decentralize Kahoot!
Yes, I need to have a Kahoot satellite.
A satellite internet connection.
And we all need to be connected to each other of course.
Otherwise we are just going to have to be dealing with this BS that is going on.
I don't know what happened to my internet connection there.
But good thing it happened to me now while playing Kahoot!
Instead of when it actually mattered.
When someone else's talk was on.
Okay, looks like we are back to normal though.
I am going to move on to the next question.
On what day will the next Monero network upgrade occur?
October 1st, October 17th, October 31st, or November 1st?
People are getting their responses in pretty quickly.
That is good.
Remember, there is a stream delay.
Okay, October 17th is the correct answer.
It is not the 31st, it is not the 1st.
It is not the 1st of November either.
That was a tough one, Monero.
You need to pay attention to what is going on in the Monero community sometimes.
We are fun sometimes too.
Hopefully.
We aspire to be fun sometimes.
Congratulations on guessing correctly.
Redacted made its way up six places.
They are trying to eventually compete with Censored.
JW is still in first place.
But Censored moved up.
They are beating Knack right now.
Just because you are a smart researcher,
does not mean you waste all your time on Reddit all the time.
Maybe they are not all the same.
I got a message.
It is probably someone complaining.
Knack was answering how to answer trivia.
It looks like they figured it out.
Someone said they misclicked.
You will have to fight your way back up to the top here.
Next question.
Which of the following was implemented in Monero most recently?
Dandelion++, RingCT, Pruning, or LMDB?
I think you will notice that one of these future questions
absolutely gives a little bit of extra
advantage to others.
To a certain user compared to others.
I will leave it to figure out who it is.
Most people got this one correct.
RingCT is definitely not the right answer.
That was implemented in very early 2017.
Pruning is more recent than RingCT.
Dandelion++ is the most recent.
That was implemented earlier this year.
It was a network upgrade in the sense that
there was a major release.
It was Monero's first major release
that did not require a network upgrade.
That's pretty exciting history for everyone there.
Pretty cool stuff.
Monero is stabilizing as an ecosystem.
Alright, let's see.
Most people got that one correct.
Looks like no one on the top leaderboard did not get that one correct
or answer slower than someone who was not there.
We will have to take this leaderboard into the next round.
JW is still on top.
Now granted, I will admit that I did not know
that Nack would play this game.
Some people who want to point fingers
might try and claim that I'm biased
towards helping them out. I don't know where they're getting that from.
I don't think that's a fair assessment.
But yes, the correct answer is tagging outputs with a sub-address hash.
This was meant to be the hardest question in the quiz.
Nice even split there, but no one thought
that they would bin decoy outputs by block, which I'm a little surprised
because that's something people have proposed at certain times.
Maybe people acknowledge that that is not a potentially radical idea.
That's one that's been proposed a few times.
In fact, in many external research papers in Monero, they do talk about binning,
which basically says when you choose a decoy,
choose it in relation to your actual spend
in a way to conceivably choose decoys
under certain scenarios.
But yes, this is purposely meant to be a tough one.
Tagging outputs with a sub-address hash is the actual answer.
Again, this is a very controversial idea. It will not necessarily be implemented.
There's a bunch of potential advantages and disadvantages.
So this one will go through a ton of discussion
before anyone even moves on it.
So this may have changed up the leaderboard.
Let's see how much people are paying attention in MRL meetings.
Of course JW got that one correct.
In fact, it did not change the leaderboard at all.
And of course, Knack got that one correct.
You're welcome for the free points, Knack, to get you in closer striking distance
of censored and non-various.
But people further down must have gotten that one correct,
which means Meow, especially,
is at higher risk of being overrun.
So we'll see what happens there.
Yeah, someone's sending me questions on
Defcon, but it's not relevant to trivia and that's all I care about at the moment.
So, JW also has a streak
of the last three in a row. Let's see what the next question is.
Question 10. What was the original name for the Monero Community
Workgroup? Was it the Marketing Workgroup,
the Outreach Workgroup, the Developer Workgroup, or the Website
Workgroup?
Keeping in mind that the person who started this initiative was not me.
I cannot take credit for this. It was Diego.
Okay, at least half the people
got this one correct. It was originally the Marketing
Workgroup. The Outreach Workgroup is the name
for a later formed and currently
existing workgroup that took off
a bunch of the initial ambitions
of...
Yeah, it took up a lot of the initial ambitions of the Marketing Workgroup.
Now, at the time when this workgroup was started,
the idea of marketing in Monero in
general was very
controversial. A lot of people hated the idea
of talking about Monero in anything other
than an academic or developer
sense because they felt that anything else would diminish Monero compared
to all the other, you know, shit
coins, so-called, or scams
that were out there, perhaps. And so
the
Marketing Workgroup initiative at the time was very
controversial. And so we made very clear that the main focus
was education to begin with, but even so, a lot of people did not
like it. And after we started, it wasn't
that we purposely wanted to drop these initiatives.
That was not the case. But we felt that there wasn't
a group that actually just brought people together and talked about stuff
as a community. And so we renamed the Community
Workgroup in order to best fit what we actually do.
And then later down the line, the Outreach
Workgroup came up and took the torch for some of those
initial ambitions.
Deafling was not the Developer Workgroup. Website Workgroup, I threw that in there
just because someone may have known that Diego
joined the community based off their desire to improve the website
to begin with. And as Andres says
in chat, the Monero Enterprise Alliance Working Group, you know
that the Monero Enterprise Alliance was not a thing until
what is it? Early
2017 it must have been. Yeah, it was during ConsenSys
in... no, ConsenSys 2018. Sorry.
It was ConsenSys 2018. So early 2018.
There was an initial
working group. It was like some investment
focused Monero Workgroup that charged dues
and things. That was really the first of its
type. But they dissolved very early on.
And certainly did not ever call themselves the Marketing
or Monero Community Workgroup.
So definitely very unrelated.
Okay, let's see who got this one correct. Let's see if the top leaderboard
changes. It does! Quite a bit.
Knack is on fire. Looks like JW
got that one incorrect. So Andres is within
striking distance. So is Knack. They're all within one question of each other.
And then within second place, within striking distance of one question,
you have Censored and JTBB. So
definitely fun competition going on here.
And not too many questions left either.
Question 11. What year did Monero first have
a DEFCON Village? Because of course, this is Monero DEFCON Village.
Is it 2017, 2018, 2019, or 2020?
Note that I am not interpreting this strictly. I am not
saying that like...
It was the Monero and the Because Village.
No, it's... I am counting Monero
in that. I'm not saying Monero sole village.
So hopefully someone was not trying to be
like, eww, well, actually this...
Nope, nope. I am being honest here.
2018 is the correct answer here.
Yes, in 2017, it was very unofficial.
There was not an official Monero DEFCON Village. In fact,
you just had a number of individuals who were
interested in Monero that attended DEFCON. Because, as you
can imagine...
Well, if you answered before the caveat, 2019 would have been your choice.
Wow, Nero. So, no.
No, he could not. 2019, it was the Monero Village.
2020 was the Monero Village.
2018, it was the Monero slash Because Village.
Which is the
blockchain...
I actually don't remember what it stands for.
Yeah, it's on me for not remembering what it stands for.
2017, a lot of Monero
community members were at DEFCON. I was not one of them
because I was not in that hemisphere.
But, um...
It, uh...
Yeah, prompted people to be like, hey, wish we could have a Monero Village. And at the time, DEFCON
seemed very uninterested in having a cryptocurrency village.
But, in 2017, for that latter half, it exploded, of course.
And Monero had a very large representation
at DEFCON, and therefore were able to make this wonderful
thing that we have right now out of it. So, that's really cool.
So, let's see what five people got that one correct.
Cake is the highest climber. You made your way up three places.
So, you're doing something right there.
Censored moved their way up into third place.
They must have answered quicker than Mac.
Remember, you do get extra points by answering quicker.
So, if you know the answer, get that in as soon as possible.
Otherwise, you are giving up three points, and you don't want to lose.
So...
But, it's certainly still anyone's game to see who will win this.
Question 12.
Which of the following was never a Monero minimum or mandatory ring size?
Was it 3, 5, 8, or 11?
Okay.
The majority of people got this incorrect, but the most chosen answer was the correct one.
Yes, it is 8.
For some reason, the Monero community is allergic to even numbers.
We only choose odd numbers, and we only choose prime numbers.
The minimum slash mandatory ring sizes
have only ever been
3, 5, 7, and 11.
It's just the way it works out.
So, uh...
I mean, you may argue that 0 was the initial one.
It was the original minimum ring size.
Actually, no. 1. 1, actually. 0 doesn't make any sense. It would have been 1.
So, uh...
Unless you're talking about coin-based outputs, and they're treated kind of technically differently.
And then, if you want to get all super, super technical about it.
But, really, the best answer here is 8.
Which 6 people got correct.
It was good while it lasted.
Oh, Andres, what are you going to do?
I have to say, 8 was one of the numbers I recommended.
When we learned about the possible impact of chain-split attacks
in Monero, when splitting coins is a really popular way
to pump and dump something.
I recommended a move to
ring size 7 or 8.
And we ultimately chose 7
for the additional efficiency.
And also because we have a rule of prime numbers, allegedly.
But, you know, when Monero goes to trip-tick
or Arcturus, we might not actually go with the prime number.
We might go with, like, 128.
Which, you know, is divisible by 2.
And, of course, other numbers.
We may be shortly dropping this, depending on
how quickly certain improvements are made in the Monero protocol.
We may no longer be able to say this.
But, in any case,
Andres still stays in first place.
Scott makes their way to fifth.
So that's pretty cool.
So, yeah.
Is it a ring if it is just one? It's more like a point?
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know if you can actually really call
a transaction with only one input
a ring, really. It's like a
very sad ring.
JW is still on top here, but you have to remember
and Cake has the longest streak with three in a row.
So they might be making their way up. They're going to get the most bonus points
if they get the next one correct for the longest streak.
But, the next question
is worth twice as many points.
It is the last question. Winner takes all.
You all best be prepared.
Be ready. Be ready to click that button
once you know the right answer.
I don't know if it'll be easy or hard. I mean, I do know, but I'm just going to make it
stressful as a result because it's fun for me to
draw this out. But let's see what it is.
Last question for all of the bragging rights.
What is it?
True or false?
Double points. Monero offers ubiquitous privacy.
True or false? True on the left,
false on the right. What is it?
For double points.
If someone answers one way,
I'm just going to like, you deserve not to get these points,
I guess.
Like,
just for all intents and purposes, mandatory.
Used in all transactions.
Oh, goodness.
Maybe I chose
a word that...
Vic read it wrong.
We actually...
This is actually the reading
comprehension quiz.
Oh, wow.
Okay, well,
apparently this is more of a trick question than I thought.
Ubiquitous means like common
or implemented widely
or every transaction would have
this type of privacy.
It's meant to say that every transaction has
privacy. I actually like you calling it ubiquitous
rather than mandatory because, I mean,
Monero has mandatory network privacy, but you can still opt out.
So I usually try to refer to it as ubiquitous because
it's, you know, every transaction has this feature.
Breaking Monero.
I'm going to break down this community by just using
apparently fancy words here.
But it is...
True is the correct answer.
Apparently I'm an English teacher
that just likes to annoy people.
Google Trends for Ubiquitous Spikes.
The like...
14 people that participated in this game are going to
send off the ubiquitous...
Um...
Yeah.
That's funny.
All right. Well, we get to see who finishes in the podium
here, which apparently ended up just being an
English test.
Let's see who finishes on the podium. In third place
with 8 out of 13 correct, Nack.
Second place, also 8 out of 13, but with more
points. Definitely not NeedMoney90. And in first
place with 9 out of 13, Andres.
So, wow, JW
must not have gotten it correct. They were a runner-up.
Wow, after all that time, I'm
the top of the podium.
They just... they didn't know a word.
So, darn. Wow.
It really did shake things up there at the end more than I was
expecting. Y'all are going to be
so angry with me as a result of this.
Oh, goodness.
That is hilarious.
That was a lot of fun.
Okay, yeah. So, Andres, you
you offered some great advice
during the meme competition, and you, as a result
of helping us out then, you deserve first place.
Everyone's saying I have a trick question. You know what?
Ironically, the intent of the last question
was actually to get one that everyone would get correct
so they would feel good about themselves. But I think here
it just gives people a rant, you know?
I am utterly shocked
that JW did not finish in the top
three. That is awesome.
Well, now you learned a word about that.
Well, the whole point of this is to have fun.
We've actually increased the number of people that have watched the stream
as we've continued, at least on YouTube.
So, thank you, everyone, for participating.
Please, please, please tell everyone that you had fun with Monero
because you've got to
find your prize in WoW.
Okay, I see. Persistent.
I don't know. Persistent.
What if you have
quantum computing that comes out? It might not be permanently persistent
if you want to be all technical, technical about it.
Or what if all of the ring members that you participate in
just happen to all disclose information and then do you really have
persistent privacy?
I don't know. I think ubiquitous is a better term.
Maybe standardized is a different word.
Pervasive, I think, is a good way to put it.
I'll think about using pervasive, but you better all know for next time.
In any case, thank you, everyone, for participating.
This was a ton of fun for me. You all made it really fun.
Thank you so much for yelling at me, commenting.
The whole, like, it is a blast.
DEF CON is fun when it's fun for everybody.
So, widespread.
That doesn't imply 100% honorees.
I have to really point out that everybody does it.
Which maybe ubiquitous doesn't either.
In any case, I had a ton of fun. Thank you, everyone, for joining.
It was great. I will see you
tomorrow, hopefully, starting at 10 a.m. Pacific.
Be there or be square.
Bye, everybody.