WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:01.960 Get to suffer as I go through them. 00:02.420 --> 00:04.600 Okay, let me start. 00:04.600 --> 00:05.560 Get ready. 00:06.960 --> 00:07.840 Kahoot. 00:10.180 --> 00:11.500 Two, one. 00:11.500 --> 00:12.300 Question one. 00:12.300 --> 00:16.920 For the Monero E-A-E attack, what do the letter E's stand for? 00:16.920 --> 00:20.600 Is it epidemic, exchange, elliptic curve, or environment? 00:20.600 --> 00:24.900 Of course, in all of these cases, you should select the best answer. 00:26.260 --> 00:28.780 On your phone, you just have the colors and... 00:28.780 --> 00:31.940 an icon, so you will need to look at the screen. 00:31.940 --> 00:37.080 There is about a five-second delay, so get those answers in as quick as possible. 00:37.080 --> 00:39.500 I'm actually seeing more like a six-second delay. 00:40.740 --> 00:42.360 You're almost out of time. 00:47.680 --> 00:49.200 Wow, okay, yeah. 00:49.200 --> 00:54.160 For the Monero E-A-E attack, the correct answer is the exchange. 00:55.180 --> 01:06.380 E-A-E typically refers to a single user, at least in the case of E-A-E, with just one letter A in the middle, where a user will take funds from one exchange and send it to another colluding exchange. 01:06.380 --> 01:12.560 It does not have to be an exchange, but however, that's what the general name comes from. 01:12.560 --> 01:25.620 The idea that you are KYC'd on two exchanges that would collude to potentially understand that the Monero originated from the original exchange and ended up in the second exchange entity. 01:25.620 --> 01:27.780 So exchange is the best answer there. 01:27.780 --> 01:38.120 Elliptic curve is a cryptography term, and all the fancy-schmancy people chose that one, but I think that, yeah, the E-A-E does not refer to cryptography. 01:38.120 --> 01:42.860 It just refers to a limitation in targeted surveillance in Monero. 01:42.860 --> 01:51.860 If you are interested in learning more, there is a Breaking Monero episode on E-A-E or the Poisoned Output attack. 01:51.860 --> 01:53.720 A lot of these attacks are very similar. 01:53.720 --> 02:01.480 They're all derived from the same type of idea, where you are engaging with colluding entities, so you should be a little bit careful there. 02:02.000 --> 02:04.480 And yes, as NeedMoney90 says, please like and subscribe. 02:04.480 --> 02:05.860 This is a typical S.H.I.E.L.D. 02:05.860 --> 02:06.160 channel. 02:06.160 --> 02:07.740 Let me insert an ad break here. 02:07.740 --> 02:09.140 Just kidding, we're not affiliated. 02:09.140 --> 02:16.100 I even turned off the setting where users on this channel, if... 02:16.100 --> 02:17.600 I mean, I don't think people see ads. 02:17.600 --> 02:19.400 I'm not getting any money from Google. 02:19.400 --> 02:23.060 But even if they did, they would not also see personalized ads. 02:23.060 --> 02:28.740 I am getting less money than I already am not getting, so you're welcome. 02:29.300 --> 02:32.880 Any case, let's see who scored well in these. 02:33.960 --> 02:38.300 Knack answered the fastest, so they are on the top of the leaderboard. 02:38.300 --> 02:42.460 They have 909 points, so congratulations, Knack. 02:42.460 --> 02:43.720 Censored got that correct. 02:43.720 --> 02:44.720 JW got it correct. 02:44.720 --> 02:49.380 J-T-B-V, which is really hard for me to say, because these letters are way too similar. 02:51.200 --> 02:53.360 But yeah, four on the top of the leaderboard. 02:53.360 --> 02:55.560 Scott, for some reason, is still on the leaderboard. 02:55.560 --> 02:57.020 Scott, how did you not get that one? 02:57.020 --> 02:58.480 Come on, Scott, you should have known. 02:58.480 --> 03:00.240 Scott, I'm disappointed in you. 03:01.120 --> 03:02.040 All right. 03:02.660 --> 03:08.240 Also note, you get extra points, not just for answering quickly and correctly, but by answering several correct in a row. 03:08.240 --> 03:13.060 So you've got to get these long, correct answers in a row here. 03:13.060 --> 03:17.680 Vic clearly is not as good at trivia as he is at making memes. 03:17.680 --> 03:20.640 So, Vic, I'm watching out for you. 03:20.640 --> 03:22.160 You better get a few of these in. 03:22.760 --> 03:24.220 Scott is now banned from DEF CON. 03:24.220 --> 03:25.100 Honestly, yes. 03:25.100 --> 03:25.860 Scott, come on. 03:25.860 --> 03:26.720 Come on, Scott. 03:27.460 --> 03:28.500 All right, question two. 03:28.500 --> 03:29.820 Maybe you'll do better on this one. 03:29.880 --> 03:32.580 What does Monero most closely mean in Esperanto? 03:33.640 --> 03:36.200 Money, cash, coin, or private? 03:40.450 --> 03:41.150 Roasted, yeah. 03:41.150 --> 03:45.630 The whole point of this is basically just to adjust and free-for-all roasting people. 03:46.530 --> 03:49.490 Ultimately, the entire motivation I have behind this. 03:49.490 --> 03:53.270 And no one else is in Jitsi with me to complain. 03:54.310 --> 03:57.290 All right, we got a nice split here. 03:57.290 --> 04:02.950 So, I was playing the long con here, actually, for a few reasons. 04:02.950 --> 04:08.130 One, I gave this same question during the Moneroversary. 04:08.130 --> 04:11.470 At least, if I have good memory, I guess you can check me on that. 04:11.810 --> 04:16.010 But, yeah, most people got it wrong then, so I reuse the same question now. 04:16.010 --> 04:20.870 And I also released a movie called Monero Means Money. 04:20.870 --> 04:24.190 And it does not actually translate to money. 04:24.190 --> 04:27.770 It does instead translate to coin in Esperanto. 04:27.770 --> 04:30.770 That is when Monero first launched. 04:30.770 --> 04:32.950 It did not launch as the name Monero. 04:32.950 --> 04:35.130 It launched as the name Bit Monero. 04:35.130 --> 04:39.650 So, translated, basically, it was meant to mean Bit Coin. 04:39.650 --> 04:42.470 You know, Esperanto, for some reason. 04:43.730 --> 04:47.510 Esperanto, of course, is the world's most spoken constructed language. 04:47.510 --> 04:51.610 It is not one that was just spoken by people for a long time. 04:51.610 --> 04:53.530 It's a relatively recent language. 04:53.570 --> 04:58.490 And it's meant to be one that everyone could use as a neutral constructed language. 04:58.910 --> 05:01.970 But coin is the best answer here. 05:02.150 --> 05:04.150 So, let's see who got this one correct. 05:04.710 --> 05:06.810 Looks like someone else said that they got rekt. 05:06.810 --> 05:09.170 X, X, sorry, X, X, X, X. 05:09.170 --> 05:13.830 But, first place, still knack, got that one correct. 05:13.830 --> 05:15.510 Censored, Need Money 90, still on there. 05:15.510 --> 05:17.030 JW killing it. 05:17.370 --> 05:18.850 Scott got that one correct. 05:18.850 --> 05:23.790 And they moved up from their undeserved fifth place to fourth place. 05:23.790 --> 05:27.150 And then JTBV on the board now. 05:27.310 --> 05:29.210 Looks like they did not get that one correct, though. 05:29.210 --> 05:31.110 Because they got the previous one correct. 05:31.110 --> 05:33.590 So, really, Scott was the one who answered that one correctly. 05:34.490 --> 05:38.110 All right, let's see how people do in the next question here. 05:38.670 --> 05:43.070 Question three, what does the C in CLSAG stand for? 05:43.170 --> 05:47.010 Is it circular, compact, concise, or cooperative? 05:55.730 --> 06:01.830 People who were on for the MRL hour, office hours, earlier, hopefully know the answer to this one. 06:12.660 --> 06:14.740 I always like watching these because... 06:14.740 --> 06:22.540 All right, I just want to point out that for my quiz so far, the majority of people have answered incorrectly to every single one of these. 06:23.200 --> 06:25.400 So clearly I'm doing something right. 06:26.420 --> 06:29.240 But in no case has no one got it correct. 06:29.460 --> 06:33.920 Actually, if you chose compact, you shouldn't feel too bad. 06:33.920 --> 06:37.020 Because originally in MRL, they wanted to call it compact. 06:37.020 --> 06:38.360 But they got some pushback. 06:38.360 --> 06:41.720 They got a lot of saying, well, it's not compact technically. 06:41.720 --> 06:47.080 Because compact technically is supposed to have these guidelines if you're following other papers, yada, yada, yada, yada. 06:47.080 --> 06:52.700 And you're right, in a general use term, no one actually cares. 06:52.700 --> 06:55.520 But cryptographers are a bunch of picky bunch. 06:55.520 --> 06:58.640 And therefore, they decided to name it concise. 06:58.740 --> 07:02.480 Because it met the other cryptography definitions. 07:02.480 --> 07:05.040 Concise is what it actually is called. 07:05.220 --> 07:06.440 So it's not cooperative. 07:06.440 --> 07:07.280 It's not circular. 07:07.280 --> 07:11.540 I did throw that one in there in case someone thought it would be related to the circular ring. 07:11.540 --> 07:15.700 But in fact, ring signatures are not actually the form of a circle. 07:15.700 --> 07:19.320 They don't store actual pictures of blockchains in here. 07:19.480 --> 07:20.200 Yeah, you're right. 07:20.200 --> 07:21.520 Knack probably got this one correct. 07:21.520 --> 07:26.880 If Knack did not get this one correct, I think we can make fun of him more than anyone else that doesn't get these correct. 07:28.200 --> 07:28.920 What? 07:31.040 --> 07:33.940 Doug had defied your expectations there. 07:33.940 --> 07:35.860 I would have bet money. 07:36.400 --> 07:42.780 Maybe they went to the bathroom or something and weren't looking at the screen at the time. 07:42.780 --> 07:45.820 Or misclicked as a result of you allegedly misclicking, Doug. 07:45.820 --> 07:47.540 But Andres got that one correct. 07:47.540 --> 07:48.700 Meow got that one correct. 07:48.700 --> 07:52.020 And Rottenkwinkus got that one correct, too. 07:55.140 --> 07:56.320 JW censored Knack. 07:56.320 --> 07:57.720 Still remained at the top, though. 07:57.720 --> 08:00.820 But Scott was punched off the leaderboard. 08:00.820 --> 08:02.180 And yet, Knack is a researcher. 08:02.180 --> 08:03.500 So maybe they would know. 08:04.940 --> 08:07.280 Alright, so this is pretty fun. 08:07.280 --> 08:08.900 It's still anyone's game at this point. 08:08.900 --> 08:12.520 Of course, remember the last question alone is worth 2,000 points. 08:12.520 --> 08:14.240 So, you never know. 08:14.240 --> 08:15.080 Question 4. 08:15.080 --> 08:20.560 In its entire history, how many Monero transactions have hit the sender, receiver, and amount? 08:20.560 --> 08:26.880 Is it about 6,500, 65,000, 650,000, or 6,500,000? 08:27.360 --> 08:30.400 What is the closest answer here? 08:31.640 --> 08:34.360 Not all Monero transactions in all of history. 08:34.360 --> 08:37.060 Just ones that have hit the sender, receiver, and amount. 08:37.060 --> 08:45.260 Noting that in the past, when Monero first launched, up until RingCT was a thing, Monero did not hide the transaction amount. 08:45.780 --> 08:47.880 Because it was just denominated. 08:47.880 --> 08:49.640 Pretty poorly, honestly. 08:50.060 --> 08:53.500 I don't know if everyone got the question in time there. 08:53.500 --> 08:59.300 Make sure you are keeping track of the timer on the left and note that there is at least a 5 second delay. 08:59.300 --> 09:02.880 So get those answers in as quick as you can. 09:02.980 --> 09:05.900 Yes, the answer is 6.5 million. 09:05.900 --> 09:09.240 Which again, the majority of people did not get correct. 09:09.320 --> 09:13.540 Maybe they just saw the highest number and were like, Nah, that can't be true. 09:13.540 --> 09:19.920 But yes, almost, at least as of last month, it was over 6.2 million. 09:19.980 --> 09:26.060 So yeah, about 6.5 million transactions in Monero have hit the sender, receiver, and amount. 09:26.060 --> 09:28.280 These are all RingCT transactions. 09:28.400 --> 09:29.960 So that is pretty cool. 09:31.080 --> 09:42.180 Well, if you did in fact have 2 million transactions alone, that would not bode especially well for traceability with low ring sizes. 09:42.180 --> 09:43.740 With 11, we are probably fine. 09:43.740 --> 09:45.380 But I would be pretty suspicious. 09:45.380 --> 09:47.280 That is pretty much attack level there. 09:47.320 --> 09:50.060 Maybe certain mining pools collectively have those. 09:51.280 --> 09:53.280 Oh, let's see what other comments are coming in. 09:53.280 --> 09:57.480 Anyone who has synced the blockchain on the terminal will know how slow the later blocks are to sync. 09:57.480 --> 09:58.880 Yeah, that is mostly a RingCT thing. 09:58.880 --> 10:04.220 But luckily, CLSAG will definitely speed that up for future transactions going forward. 10:04.220 --> 10:06.660 And even so, Bulletproofs are much faster to verify. 10:07.240 --> 10:18.840 Serang did this really awesome thing where he was just looking at code and was like, Wow, I found a way to make all Bulletproof transactions much faster to verify even retroactively by just being more efficient. 10:18.840 --> 10:24.200 Because people just pull these optimizations out of nowhere when you are a genius like they are. 10:24.420 --> 10:25.760 Obviously, I am not a genius. 10:25.760 --> 10:29.240 I just make quizzes for people and get them wrong half the time. 10:29.260 --> 10:32.200 So yes, 6.5 million is the correct answer. 10:32.200 --> 10:40.060 If you were watching some of my talks in the past, one of which is on this channel, I did reference over 6 million transactions. 10:40.160 --> 10:43.040 So that is where I got the inspiration for this question. 10:45.040 --> 10:46.300 Yeah, but it should be efficient. 10:46.300 --> 10:49.640 We are doing our damn best to make sure it is as efficient as possible. 10:51.200 --> 10:53.840 Oh, JW got that one correct. 10:53.840 --> 10:55.620 Nat got that one incorrect. 10:57.000 --> 10:59.520 I don't think Doug got this one correct either. 10:59.800 --> 11:00.900 NeedMoney90 censored. 11:00.900 --> 11:03.040 Totally not the same set of people. 11:03.040 --> 11:08.020 JW, I know that your life is basically just knowing crypto trivia. 11:08.020 --> 11:09.540 It is basically your full-time job. 11:09.540 --> 11:11.160 You don't need to convince me otherwise. 11:11.160 --> 11:12.520 I know. 11:12.520 --> 11:14.360 But Andres, you got the last three correct. 11:14.360 --> 11:15.220 So look at you. 11:15.220 --> 11:16.740 You are killing it too. 11:17.020 --> 11:19.480 Still anybody's game here, really. 11:19.480 --> 11:21.580 We have a ton of questions left. 11:22.800 --> 11:24.000 Basically, yes. 11:24.000 --> 11:25.140 It basically is. 11:25.140 --> 11:26.700 Do not deny it. 11:26.800 --> 11:28.140 Question 5. 11:32.340 --> 11:33.480 Not how. 11:36.860 --> 11:38.400 Okay, that is the freebie. 11:38.400 --> 11:39.820 I have to throw these in here. 11:39.820 --> 11:41.760 What is the best answer here? 11:43.920 --> 11:45.060 Not how. 11:45.300 --> 11:46.980 See, I am making mistakes all the time. 11:46.980 --> 11:47.940 It should be which. 11:51.440 --> 11:52.100 Come on. 11:52.100 --> 11:53.380 Get those answers in. 11:53.380 --> 11:54.720 Whose channel? 11:54.720 --> 11:55.680 Get it in. 11:56.860 --> 11:59.600 And if you are watching now and want to join in this... 11:59.600 --> 12:01.140 I mean, I was going to call it fun. 12:01.140 --> 12:04.280 But I was instead going to call it rant slash chaos. 12:04.280 --> 12:08.060 You can join going to Kahoot.it, game pin 354661. 12:08.400 --> 12:11.980 People are doing so poorly that you can probably still beat a lot of them. 12:12.060 --> 12:14.700 Manero says no is the best answer here. 12:14.740 --> 12:15.400 You know what? 12:15.620 --> 12:17.940 NeedMoney90, that is not verifiable. 12:17.940 --> 12:20.180 So I am going to call BS on that one. 12:20.180 --> 12:24.840 And I am going to think that Manero says no is still probably the best answer here. 12:25.440 --> 12:28.640 This is just basically my low-effort chill here. 12:28.640 --> 12:31.400 Just to give people some chance of getting on the leaderboard. 12:31.400 --> 12:33.820 And one person apparently threw that one away anyway. 12:34.180 --> 12:36.080 So a lot of people are getting free points here. 12:36.080 --> 12:37.120 Thank goodness. 12:37.180 --> 12:38.520 Bitconnect is the highest climb. 12:38.520 --> 12:40.940 We are making our way up five places. 12:40.940 --> 12:45.300 That means we are going to explode over the next few rounds. 12:45.300 --> 12:46.100 And then die. 12:46.100 --> 12:48.320 I am not getting anything correct. 12:48.600 --> 12:50.960 So there is that going for it. 12:52.080 --> 12:54.020 We are still on the top of the leaderboard. 12:54.020 --> 12:57.620 Still only within three questions. 12:59.940 --> 13:03.280 So let us see what the next question is. 13:03.280 --> 13:04.440 Question six. 13:04.640 --> 13:07.920 What is the name of Manero's current mining algorithm? 13:08.200 --> 13:09.400 His name is Bitconnect. 13:57.370 --> 13:58.950 Okay, whole fan back. 13:58.950 --> 14:00.550 I do not know what happened there. 14:00.550 --> 14:02.250 But luckily no one got it correct. 14:02.290 --> 14:03.970 We are fine. 14:06.230 --> 14:07.550 Screw you. 14:10.170 --> 14:12.250 Okay, so we had a question that came in. 14:12.250 --> 14:14.970 What was the name of Manero's current mining algorithm? 14:15.330 --> 14:18.610 One person guessed by just clicking a random button. 14:18.610 --> 14:20.450 And they did not get it correct. 14:21.270 --> 14:23.090 I genuinely do not know what happened. 14:23.090 --> 14:24.830 My internet just totally dropped out. 14:24.830 --> 14:26.610 I think the stream was out too. 14:26.770 --> 14:28.950 So very odd stuff. 14:29.870 --> 14:31.130 Gotta love Comcast. 14:31.130 --> 14:33.430 I had to switch to Comcast after I moved. 14:33.570 --> 14:37.630 I know a lot of people probably would have gotten this one correct. 14:37.630 --> 14:38.890 But no one did. 14:38.890 --> 14:41.670 So it did break everyone's streaks I guess. 14:41.670 --> 14:46.530 So if you did have a streak, perhaps Andreas, you are most negatively impacted. 14:46.530 --> 14:49.730 Yeah, see Vic, the reason it crashed was because I knew you would get it right. 14:49.730 --> 14:50.790 And I just could not let you. 14:53.090 --> 14:54.730 Sorry about that everybody. 14:54.730 --> 14:57.090 Luckily that does not change the scoreboard at all. 14:57.090 --> 15:00.150 It resets your streaks, but I guess that is more fair anyway. 15:02.530 --> 15:06.050 But I am just glad that one random person did not select the first option. 15:06.450 --> 15:07.830 We have to decentralize Kahoot! 15:07.830 --> 15:10.610 Yes, I need to have a Kahoot satellite. 15:10.610 --> 15:12.370 A satellite internet connection. 15:12.370 --> 15:14.990 And we all need to be connected to each other of course. 15:15.090 --> 15:19.890 Otherwise we are just going to have to be dealing with this BS that is going on. 15:21.950 --> 15:24.130 I don't know what happened to my internet connection there. 15:24.130 --> 15:27.350 But good thing it happened to me now while playing Kahoot! 15:27.410 --> 15:29.050 Instead of when it actually mattered. 15:29.050 --> 15:31.050 When someone else's talk was on. 15:31.330 --> 15:33.650 Okay, looks like we are back to normal though. 15:33.650 --> 15:35.890 I am going to move on to the next question. 15:35.890 --> 15:40.230 On what day will the next Monero network upgrade occur? 15:40.230 --> 15:46.110 October 1st, October 17th, October 31st, or November 1st 15:53.140 --> 15:53.420 ? 15:53.840 --> 15:55.740 People are getting their responses in pretty quickly. 15:55.740 --> 15:56.560 That is good. 16:00.570 --> 16:02.970 Remember, there is a stream delay. 16:11.180 --> 16:14.720 Okay, October 17th is the correct answer. 16:14.720 --> 16:16.300 It is not the 31st, it is not the 1st. 16:16.300 --> 16:18.060 It is not the 1st of November either. 16:18.220 --> 16:20.700 That was a tough one, Monero. 16:20.700 --> 16:24.300 You need to pay attention to what is going on in the Monero community sometimes. 16:25.660 --> 16:28.760 We are fun sometimes too. 16:29.040 --> 16:30.080 Hopefully. 16:30.080 --> 16:31.880 We aspire to be fun sometimes. 16:32.400 --> 16:35.720 Congratulations on guessing correctly. 16:37.960 --> 16:40.660 Redacted made its way up six places. 16:40.660 --> 16:45.060 They are trying to eventually compete with Censored. 16:45.440 --> 16:47.100 JW is still in first place. 16:47.100 --> 16:48.420 But Censored moved up. 16:48.420 --> 16:50.340 They are beating Knack right now. 16:50.340 --> 16:55.280 Just because you are a smart researcher, does not mean you waste all your time on Reddit all the time. 16:56.400 --> 16:58.420 Maybe they are not all the same. 16:59.000 --> 16:59.860 I got a message. 16:59.860 --> 17:01.300 It is probably someone complaining. 17:03.140 --> 17:05.360 Knack was answering how to answer trivia. 17:05.360 --> 17:07.200 It looks like they figured it out. 17:10.060 --> 17:11.860 Someone said they misclicked. 17:13.420 --> 17:17.260 You will have to fight your way back up to the top here. 17:19.080 --> 17:20.880 Next question. 17:22.100 --> 17:26.200 Which of the following was implemented in Monero most recently? 17:26.720 --> 17:30.600 Dandelion++, RingCT, Pruning, or LMDB? 17:34.410 --> 17:43.930 I think you will notice that one of these future questions absolutely gives a little bit of extra advantage to others. 17:44.050 --> 17:46.970 To a certain user compared to others. 17:46.970 --> 17:49.470 I will leave it to figure out who it is. 17:49.470 --> 17:51.210 Most people got this one correct. 17:51.610 --> 17:53.530 RingCT is definitely not the right answer. 17:53.530 --> 17:56.650 That was implemented in very early 2017. 17:56.650 --> 17:59.070 Pruning is more recent than RingCT. 17:59.730 --> 18:02.390 Dandelion++ is the most recent. 18:02.390 --> 18:05.310 That was implemented earlier this year. 18:05.750 --> 18:10.850 It was a network upgrade in the sense that there was a major release. 18:10.850 --> 18:17.870 It was Monero's first major release that did not require a network upgrade. 18:17.870 --> 18:20.710 That's pretty exciting history for everyone there. 18:21.890 --> 18:23.190 Pretty cool stuff. 18:23.190 --> 18:25.590 Monero is stabilizing as an ecosystem. 18:28.570 --> 18:30.090 Alright, let's see. 18:30.090 --> 18:31.470 Most people got that one correct. 18:31.470 --> 18:37.150 Looks like no one on the top leaderboard did not get that one correct or answer slower than someone who was not there. 18:37.390 --> 18:41.610 We will have to take this leaderboard into the next round. 18:41.610 --> 18:43.510 JW is still on top. 18:58.490 --> 19:03.930 Now granted, I will admit that I did not know that Nack would play this game. 19:06.330 --> 19:12.890 Some people who want to point fingers might try and claim that I'm biased towards helping them out. 19:12.890 --> 19:14.670 I don't know where they're getting that from. 19:14.670 --> 19:16.530 I don't think that's a fair assessment. 19:22.100 --> 19:26.000 But yes, the correct answer is tagging outputs with a sub-address hash. 19:26.000 --> 19:28.180 This was meant to be the hardest question in the quiz. 19:28.960 --> 19:37.140 Nice even split there, but no one thought that they would bin decoy outputs by block, which I'm a little surprised because that's something people have proposed at certain times. 19:37.140 --> 19:40.520 Maybe people acknowledge that that is not a potentially radical idea. 19:40.520 --> 19:42.540 That's one that's been proposed a few times. 19:42.540 --> 19:56.880 In fact, in many external research papers in Monero, they do talk about binning, which basically says when you choose a decoy, choose it in relation to your actual spend in a way to conceivably choose decoys under certain scenarios. 19:57.620 --> 19:59.940 But yes, this is purposely meant to be a tough one. 19:59.960 --> 20:03.940 Tagging outputs with a sub-address hash is the actual answer. 20:03.940 --> 20:06.240 Again, this is a very controversial idea. 20:06.240 --> 20:08.280 It will not necessarily be implemented. 20:08.320 --> 20:11.500 There's a bunch of potential advantages and disadvantages. 20:11.560 --> 20:16.260 So this one will go through a ton of discussion before anyone even moves on it. 20:16.940 --> 20:19.600 So this may have changed up the leaderboard. 20:19.600 --> 20:23.580 Let's see how much people are paying attention in MRL meetings. 20:24.620 --> 20:26.300 Of course JW got that one correct. 20:26.300 --> 20:28.220 In fact, it did not change the leaderboard at all. 20:28.220 --> 20:29.980 And of course, Knack got that one correct. 20:29.980 --> 20:35.440 You're welcome for the free points, Knack, to get you in closer striking distance of censored and non-various. 20:36.300 --> 20:44.860 But people further down must have gotten that one correct, which means Meow, especially, is at higher risk of being overrun. 20:44.860 --> 20:47.320 So we'll see what happens there. 20:51.280 --> 20:57.720 Yeah, someone's sending me questions on Defcon, but it's not relevant to trivia and that's all I care about at the moment. 20:57.720 --> 21:02.000 So, JW also has a streak of the last three in a row. 21:02.140 --> 21:03.320 Let's see what the next question is. 21:03.320 --> 21:04.220 Question 10. 21:04.440 --> 21:07.880 What was the original name for the Monero Community Workgroup? 21:07.880 --> 21:13.580 Was it the Marketing Workgroup, the Outreach Workgroup, the Developer Workgroup, or the Website Workgroup? 21:15.620 --> 21:19.000 Keeping in mind that the person who started this initiative was not me. 21:19.000 --> 21:20.220 I cannot take credit for this. 21:20.220 --> 21:21.260 It was Diego. 21:28.400 --> 21:31.320 Okay, at least half the people got this one correct. 21:31.320 --> 21:34.260 It was originally the Marketing Workgroup. 21:34.280 --> 21:46.880 The Outreach Workgroup is the name for a later formed and currently existing workgroup that took off a bunch of the initial ambitions of... 21:47.660 --> 21:51.200 Yeah, it took up a lot of the initial ambitions of the Marketing Workgroup. 21:51.200 --> 22:01.860 Now, at the time when this workgroup was started, the idea of marketing in Monero in general was very controversial. 22:02.020 --> 22:18.900 A lot of people hated the idea of talking about Monero in anything other than an academic or developer sense because they felt that anything else would diminish Monero compared to all the other, you know, shit coins, so-called, or scams that were out there, 22:18.900 --> 22:19.880 perhaps. 22:19.880 --> 22:27.480 And so the Marketing Workgroup initiative at the time was very controversial. 22:27.820 --> 22:33.720 And so we made very clear that the main focus was education to begin with, but even so, a lot of people did not like it. 22:33.940 --> 22:38.860 And after we started, it wasn't that we purposely wanted to drop these initiatives. 22:38.860 --> 22:40.200 That was not the case. 22:40.200 --> 22:45.880 But we felt that there wasn't a group that actually just brought people together and talked about stuff as a community. 22:46.000 --> 22:51.280 And so we renamed the Community Workgroup in order to best fit what we actually do. 22:51.280 --> 22:58.920 And then later down the line, the Outreach Workgroup came up and took the torch for some of those initial ambitions. 22:59.940 --> 23:01.600 Deafling was not the Developer Workgroup. 23:01.600 --> 23:10.100 Website Workgroup, I threw that in there just because someone may have known that Diego joined the community based off their desire to improve the website to begin with. 23:10.740 --> 23:19.360 And as Andres says in chat, the Monero Enterprise Alliance Working Group, you know that the Monero Enterprise Alliance was not a thing until what is it? 23:20.140 --> 23:22.680 Early 2017 it must have been. 23:22.680 --> 23:26.840 Yeah, it was during ConsenSys in... no, ConsenSys 2018. 23:26.840 --> 23:27.320 Sorry. 23:27.320 --> 23:28.820 It was ConsenSys 2018. 23:28.820 --> 23:30.280 So early 2018. 23:33.440 --> 23:36.920 There was an initial working group. 23:36.920 --> 23:43.380 It was like some investment focused Monero Workgroup that charged dues and things. 23:43.380 --> 23:45.540 That was really the first of its type. 23:45.540 --> 23:47.800 But they dissolved very early on. 23:48.220 --> 23:53.420 And certainly did not ever call themselves the Marketing or Monero Community Workgroup. 23:53.800 --> 23:55.960 So definitely very unrelated. 23:56.440 --> 23:58.180 Okay, let's see who got this one correct. 23:58.180 --> 24:01.000 Let's see if the top leaderboard changes. 24:01.000 --> 24:02.040 It does! 24:02.040 --> 24:02.760 Quite a bit. 24:02.760 --> 24:04.320 Knack is on fire. 24:04.920 --> 24:07.500 Looks like JW got that one incorrect. 24:07.840 --> 24:09.880 So Andres is within striking distance. 24:09.880 --> 24:10.820 So is Knack. 24:10.820 --> 24:12.840 They're all within one question of each other. 24:12.840 --> 24:18.120 And then within second place, within striking distance of one question, you have Censored and JTBB. 24:18.280 --> 24:21.580 So definitely fun competition going on here. 24:22.280 --> 24:24.640 And not too many questions left either. 24:25.180 --> 24:26.440 Question 11. 24:26.440 --> 24:29.300 What year did Monero first have a DEFCON Village? 24:29.300 --> 24:30.940 Because of course, this is Monero DEFCON Village. 24:30.940 --> 24:33.680 Is it 2017, 2018, 2019, or 2020? 24:33.680 --> 24:36.440 Note that I am not interpreting this strictly. 24:36.440 --> 24:38.800 I am not saying that like... 24:38.800 --> 24:41.860 It was the Monero and the Because Village. 24:41.860 --> 24:45.160 No, it's... I am counting Monero in that. 24:45.160 --> 24:47.620 I'm not saying Monero sole village. 24:53.190 --> 24:58.230 So hopefully someone was not trying to be like, eww, well, actually this... 24:58.230 --> 24:58.890 Nope, nope. 24:58.890 --> 25:01.610 I am being honest here. 25:01.630 --> 25:04.430 2018 is the correct answer here. 25:04.430 --> 25:07.430 Yes, in 2017, it was very unofficial. 25:07.430 --> 25:09.910 There was not an official Monero DEFCON Village. 25:09.910 --> 25:15.290 In fact, you just had a number of individuals who were interested in Monero that attended DEFCON. 25:15.290 --> 25:18.830 Because, as you can imagine... 25:18.830 --> 25:22.790 Well, if you answered before the caveat, 2019 would have been your choice. 25:23.150 --> 25:24.090 Wow, Nero. 25:24.090 --> 25:25.150 So, no. 25:25.310 --> 25:26.690 No, he could not. 25:26.710 --> 25:28.750 2019, it was the Monero Village. 25:28.750 --> 25:30.670 2020 was the Monero Village. 25:32.110 --> 25:35.210 2018, it was the Monero slash Because Village. 25:36.070 --> 25:38.930 Which is the blockchain... 25:38.930 --> 25:41.130 I actually don't remember what it stands for. 25:42.750 --> 25:45.610 Yeah, it's on me for not remembering what it stands for. 25:46.450 --> 25:50.890 2017, a lot of Monero community members were at DEFCON. 25:50.890 --> 25:54.610 I was not one of them because I was not in that hemisphere. 25:55.170 --> 25:57.570 But , um... 25:57.570 --> 26:00.070 It, uh... 26:00.070 --> 26:02.550 Yeah, prompted people to be like, hey, wish we could have a Monero Village. 26:02.550 --> 26:06.350 And at the time, DEFCON seemed very uninterested in having a cryptocurrency village. 26:06.350 --> 26:10.530 But, in 2017, for that latter half, it exploded, of course. 26:10.670 --> 26:17.630 And Monero had a very large representation at DEFCON, and therefore were able to make this wonderful thing that we have right now out of it. 26:17.630 --> 26:18.650 So, that's really cool. 26:18.890 --> 26:21.690 So, let's see what five people got that one correct. 26:24.110 --> 26:25.430 Cake is the highest climber. 26:25.430 --> 26:27.610 You made your way up three places. 26:27.610 --> 26:29.450 So, you're doing something right there. 26:30.690 --> 26:33.110 Censored moved their way up into third place. 26:33.110 --> 26:35.470 They must have answered quicker than Mac. 26:35.470 --> 26:38.350 Remember, you do get extra points by answering quicker. 26:38.350 --> 26:41.690 So, if you know the answer, get that in as soon as possible. 26:41.690 --> 26:45.730 Otherwise, you are giving up three points, and you don't want to lose. 26:46.650 --> 26:47.130 So... 26:47.130 --> 26:51.350 But, it's certainly still anyone's game to see who will win this. 26:51.810 --> 26:53.230 Question 12. 26:53.230 --> 26:57.430 Which of the following was never a Monero minimum or mandatory ring size? 26:57.430 --> 27:00.110 Was it 3, 5, 8, or 11? 27:22.600 --> 27:23.600 Okay. 27:24.840 --> 27:29.040 The majority of people got this incorrect, but the most chosen answer was the correct one. 27:29.040 --> 27:30.320 Yes, it is 8. 27:30.500 --> 27:34.940 For some reason, the Monero community is allergic to even numbers. 27:34.940 --> 27:38.140 We only choose odd numbers, and we only choose prime numbers. 27:38.140 --> 27:46.400 The minimum slash mandatory ring sizes have only ever been 3, 5, 7, and 11. 27:47.500 --> 27:49.360 It's just the way it works out. 27:50.840 --> 27:52.020 So, uh... 27:52.560 --> 27:56.300 I mean, you may argue that 0 was the initial one. 27:56.300 --> 27:58.400 It was the original minimum ring size. 27:58.400 --> 27:59.020 Actually, no. 27:59.020 --> 27:59.520 1. 27:59.520 --> 28:00.600 1, actually. 28:00.600 --> 28:01.500 0 doesn't make any sense. 28:01.500 --> 28:02.500 It would have been 1. 28:03.880 --> 28:05.120 So, uh... 28:05.120 --> 28:08.900 Unless you're talking about coin-based outputs, and they're treated kind of technically differently. 28:08.900 --> 28:11.520 And then, if you want to get all super, super technical about it. 28:11.520 --> 28:14.300 But, really, the best answer here is 8. 28:14.920 --> 28:16.820 Which 6 people got correct. 28:17.880 --> 28:19.200 It was good while it lasted. 28:19.200 --> 28:21.300 Oh, Andres, what are you going to do? 28:22.360 --> 28:25.300 I have to say, 8 was one of the numbers I recommended. 28:25.300 --> 28:34.660 When we learned about the possible impact of chain-split attacks in Monero, when splitting coins is a really popular way to pump and dump something. 28:37.040 --> 28:40.800 I recommended a move to ring size 7 or 8. 28:40.800 --> 28:45.320 And we ultimately chose 7 for the additional efficiency. 28:45.320 --> 28:48.400 And also because we have a rule of prime numbers, allegedly. 28:48.700 --> 28:55.260 But, you know, when Monero goes to trip-tick or Arcturus, we might not actually go with the prime number. 28:55.260 --> 28:57.360 We might go with, like, 128. 28:57.360 --> 28:59.700 Which, you know, is divisible by 2. 28:59.700 --> 29:01.180 And, of course, other numbers. 29:02.160 --> 29:10.160 We may be shortly dropping this, depending on how quickly certain improvements are made in the Monero protocol. 29:10.320 --> 29:12.260 We may no longer be able to say this. 29:12.920 --> 29:18.720 But, in any case, Andres still stays in first place. 29:18.920 --> 29:21.260 Scott makes their way to fifth. 29:21.560 --> 29:22.920 So that's pretty cool. 29:24.400 --> 29:25.460 So, yeah. 29:27.240 --> 29:29.160 Is it a ring if it is just one? 29:29.160 --> 29:30.280 It's more like a point? 29:30.280 --> 29:31.200 Yeah, that's a good question. 29:31.200 --> 29:38.900 I don't know if you can actually really call a transaction with only one input a ring, really. 29:38.900 --> 29:41.480 It's like a very sad ring. 29:43.320 --> 29:48.460 JW is still on top here, but you have to remember and Cake has the longest streak with three in a row. 29:48.460 --> 29:49.840 So they might be making their way up. 29:49.840 --> 29:54.300 They're going to get the most bonus points if they get the next one correct for the longest streak. 29:54.540 --> 30:00.100 But , the next question is worth twice as many points. 30:00.100 --> 30:01.960 It is the last question. 30:02.140 --> 30:03.480 Winner takes all. 30:03.480 --> 30:05.140 You all best be prepared. 30:06.780 --> 30:07.680 Be ready. 30:07.680 --> 30:10.760 Be ready to click that button once you know the right answer. 30:11.920 --> 30:13.780 I don't know if it'll be easy or hard. 30:13.780 --> 30:19.240 I mean, I do know, but I'm just going to make it stressful as a result because it's fun for me to draw this out. 30:19.500 --> 30:20.680 But let's see what it is. 30:20.980 --> 30:24.040 Last question for all of the bragging rights. 30:24.300 --> 30:25.420 What is it? 30:25.420 --> 30:28.260 True or false? 30:28.260 --> 30:29.700 Double points. 30:29.700 --> 30:32.080 Monero offers ubiquitous privacy. 30:32.080 --> 30:33.760 True or false? 30:33.760 --> 30:35.580 True on the left, false on the right. 30:35.580 --> 30:36.960 What is it? 30:39.850 --> 30:42.070 For double points. 30:42.970 --> 30:51.640 If someone answers one way, I'm just going to like, you deserve not to get these points, I guess. 30:55.220 --> 30:58.580 Like, just for all intents and purposes, mandatory. 31:00.740 --> 31:02.740 Used in all transactions. 31:03.580 --> 31:04.920 Oh, goodness. 31:07.660 --> 31:11.180 Maybe I chose a word that... 31:13.260 --> 31:15.060 Vic read it wrong. 31:18.280 --> 31:19.400 We actually... 31:19.400 --> 31:22.280 This is actually the reading comprehension quiz. 31:29.400 --> 31:31.120 Oh, wow. 31:31.140 --> 31:35.420 Okay, well, apparently this is more of a trick question than I thought. 31:36.480 --> 31:45.820 Ubiquitous means like common or implemented widely or every transaction would have this type of privacy. 31:47.600 --> 31:51.880 It's meant to say that every transaction has privacy. 31:51.880 --> 31:59.860 I actually like you calling it ubiquitous rather than mandatory because, I mean, Monero has mandatory network privacy, but you can still opt out. 31:59.860 --> 32:05.560 So I usually try to refer to it as ubiquitous because it's, you know, every transaction has this feature. 32:06.620 --> 32:08.220 Breaking Monero. 32:08.540 --> 32:13.620 I'm going to break down this community by just using apparently fancy words here. 32:15.000 --> 32:16.040 But it is... 32:17.360 --> 32:19.680 True is the correct answer. 32:19.680 --> 32:24.280 Apparently I'm an English teacher that just likes to annoy people. 32:24.960 --> 32:28.700 Google Trends for Ubiquitous Spikes. 32:28.700 --> 32:30.920 The like... 32:31.680 --> 32:36.520 14 people that participated in this game are going to send off the ubiquitous... 32:38.160 --> 32:38.880 Um... 32:42.200 --> 32:43.640 Yeah. 32:44.380 --> 32:46.100 That's funny. 32:47.180 --> 32:48.480 All right. 32:48.480 --> 32:54.760 Well, we get to see who finishes in the podium here, which apparently ended up just being an English test. 32:56.620 --> 32:58.560 Let's see who finishes on the podium. 32:58.560 --> 33:02.260 In third place with 8 out of 13 correct, Nack. 33:02.600 --> 33:06.380 Second place, also 8 out of 13, but with more points. 33:06.520 --> 33:07.860 Definitely not NeedMoney90. 33:07.860 --> 33:11.940 And in first place with 9 out of 13, Andres. 33:11.960 --> 33:17.100 So, wow, JW must not have gotten it correct. 33:17.100 --> 33:18.720 They were a runner-up. 33:18.840 --> 33:23.840 Wow, after all that time, I'm the top of the podium. 33:24.460 --> 33:27.420 They just... they didn't know a word. 33:27.800 --> 33:28.740 So, darn. 33:28.740 --> 33:29.660 Wow. 33:29.660 --> 33:34.180 It really did shake things up there at the end more than I was expecting. 33:34.940 --> 33:39.480 Y'all are going to be so angry with me as a result of this. 33:40.120 --> 33:41.680 Oh, goodness. 33:42.380 --> 33:44.820 That is hilarious. 33:44.860 --> 33:47.300 That was a lot of fun. 33:51.060 --> 33:52.260 Okay, yeah. 33:52.260 --> 34:03.140 So, Andres, you you offered some great advice during the meme competition, and you, as a result of helping us out then, you deserve first place. 34:03.140 --> 34:05.160 Everyone's saying I have a trick question. 34:05.160 --> 34:05.680 You know what? 34:05.940 --> 34:13.780 Ironically, the intent of the last question was actually to get one that everyone would get correct so they would feel good about themselves. 34:13.780 --> 34:17.240 But I think here it just gives people a rant, you know? 34:22.160 --> 34:28.160 I am utterly shocked that JW did not finish in the top three. 34:28.160 --> 34:30.060 That is awesome. 34:32.700 --> 34:36.380 Well, now you learned a word about that. 34:37.720 --> 34:40.360 Well, the whole point of this is to have fun. 34:40.360 --> 34:45.960 We've actually increased the number of people that have watched the stream as we've continued, at least on YouTube. 34:45.960 --> 34:47.940 So, thank you, everyone, for participating. 34:48.320 --> 34:57.240 Please, please, please tell everyone that you had fun with Monero because you've got to find your prize in WoW. 34:57.240 --> 34:58.220 Okay, I see. 34:58.800 --> 34:59.520 Persistent. 35:00.840 --> 35:01.420 I don't know. 35:01.560 --> 35:02.280 Persistent. 35:03.560 --> 35:08.060 What if you have quantum computing that comes out? 35:08.060 --> 35:12.280 It might not be permanently persistent if you want to be all technical, technical about it. 35:12.460 --> 35:20.380 Or what if all of the ring members that you participate in just happen to all disclose information and then do you really have persistent privacy? 35:21.040 --> 35:22.160 I don't know. 35:22.160 --> 35:24.500 I think ubiquitous is a better term. 35:26.420 --> 35:29.700 Maybe standardized is a different word. 35:30.160 --> 35:32.300 Pervasive, I think, is a good way to put it. 35:32.300 --> 35:36.320 I'll think about using pervasive, but you better all know for next time. 35:36.700 --> 35:39.280 In any case, thank you, everyone, for participating. 35:39.280 --> 35:40.620 This was a ton of fun for me. 35:40.620 --> 35:41.900 You all made it really fun. 35:41.900 --> 35:44.900 Thank you so much for yelling at me, commenting. 35:45.120 --> 35:47.780 The whole, like, it is a blast. 35:48.200 --> 35:50.520 DEF CON is fun when it's fun for everybody. 35:50.920 --> 35:53.160 So , widespread. 35:53.840 --> 35:56.460 That doesn't imply 100% honorees. 35:56.460 --> 36:00.540 I have to really point out that everybody does it. 36:00.540 --> 36:02.120 Which maybe ubiquitous doesn't either. 36:02.120 --> 36:04.600 In any case, I had a ton of fun. 36:04.600 --> 36:06.080 Thank you, everyone, for joining. 36:06.080 --> 36:07.380 It was great. 36:07.400 --> 36:11.800 I will see you tomorrow, hopefully, starting at 10 a.m. 36:11.800 --> 36:12.560 Pacific. 36:12.560 --> 36:14.540 Be there or be square. 36:15.000 --> 36:16.940 Bye, everybody.