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    "text": " Cool. Hi, I'm IDK. I normally work with the I2P project, also work a little bit on IPFS. And I'm here today to talk about mostly what I've been doing with, I guess, a Monero-linked project called I2P0. I'm not sure how closely you guys develop with them, but I think that they work with you pretty closely. Mostly about what I2P0 is, but mostly about what I did with it and what I think other people can learn from what I did with it. And I call it tricky bundles. So, I2P's got sort of a bunch of different distributions, and they all connect you to this overarching thing that we call the invisible internet. And the core Java I2P router has this kind of... this long-standing... we all kind of sign up for... where you have to install Java and a number of dependencies in advance of actually using it. And it ends up being about 25 clicks from standard Windows 10 installation to having a working I2P router and browser on top of that. But on the other hand, you get a whole bunch of other stuff with it. And all these things are sort of intended as kind of application primitives for building things with I2P, but they also present user interfaces that can be kind of adapted to existing apps as well. For example, we have a BitTorrent client, and we have an I2P tunnel and things like that. But obviously, the problem with this is that it's pretty difficult to install for new folks, and that's the problem that I2P0 addresses. But there's another problem. Oh, man. Let me back up a moment. I like to refer to Java I2P as sort of the core utils of I2P in that it provides everything that you need, but not a lot of people use core utils directly. They mostly use their file. It's all kind of wrapped around that if it is involved at all. And so it kind of begs the question, should we be building out-of-tree apps that incorporate I2P as a way of providing them with something that they need? And I say something that they need because anonymity is a big part of what we do, but it's not the only thing that we can do for you. A little bit more later. Okay. But there's a problem. And the problem is this 25-step installation procedure, which, again, I2P0 solves. Let me back up again for a moment here. I'm not a great public speaker all the time. Because I2P is written in Java, which is obviously the JVM, for it to call between non-JVM languages. So if somebody wants to write their application in something a little more popular than Java these days, like, say, for at least maybe getting started, like Python, then they have to count on somebody to resolve this dependency for them. And the bottom line is this... because it means that most everybody who might install your app is going to fail before they even get started because they have to install I2P. So, you know, I'm just reiterating a bunch of reasons what you probably already thought of that are good reasons to make something like I2P0, which you guys obviously already understand. But it also elucidates something about our architecture, which is that apps and routers are not tightly coupled. You join the network and your app requests resources from the network in the form of tunnels or destinations or bandwidth or whatever, but the actual interaction with the network, that's all kind of abstracted away and handled by the router, which is great, especially in the case of SAM, makes things very easy. There are kind of a lot of applications that are not going to be distributed through, say, Debian main. They're going to be written by people who wrote them independently, and they're going to have kind of rapid development cycles. Sometimes they're going to be distributed by anonymous people who can't maybe buy certificates sometimes. And all this gets pretty complicated. So I think that we should develop a new set of best practices for embedding I2P routers in apps that are not necessarily I2P routers themselves. I2P0 solves this issue. It only really solves the dependency on Java issue. It doesn't actually resolve the capabilities of the I2P router in question. So I took a stab at making that job a lot easier. Now... I'm going to talk about why this might be desirable. There are two sort of broad categories of out-of-tree I2P apps that relate to the problem in question. There are ones that bundle I2P themselves and ones that don't. And there is a torrent client that bundles a whole I2P router inside of it. They release... It's a complete implementation that works by linking to our Java libraries. And if you install it on a machine where there's an I2P router already, you end up with two running I2P routers, even though this piece of software actually has the capability to use the existing I2P router and thus less resources. But you have to go in and do it in the advanced configuration. Whether or not there's an I2P router capable of working with our app before we actually do it, or before we actually start our own embedded I2P router. Got a little ahead of my slides here. So how do we prevent this? Well, what we've got to do is we've got to probe for different I2P capabilities. And it turns out that... There is, but I don't think any of them are necessarily 100% reliable. So I like to take into account each and every one of them in sequence here. First of all, we can check and see if I2P is installed to the default paths. Obviously, this breaks if it's installed to a non-default path. So we can have a little rule in there that maybe looks for it in a portable installation under a specific directory, but we can't handle every single thing this way. Moreover, it doesn't actually give us information about whether I2P is running or not. It's a useful thing to know, but it is not in and of itself enough information for us to use. We can look at the output of PS. It's simple enough to do on every platform. It gives us information about the installed state and the running state. But it doesn't give us any information about the APIs that are available, at least not without some extra effort, really only on Java I2P as far as I know. It might not apply to I2PD. But... Also, some systems, GR security, will limit the output of PS by user. And obviously, if it's a service install, you can't do that there. So it's brittle there too. So the next thing, and where it gets a little bit more interesting, is we check for a usable I2CP or SAM v3 port. And this doesn't have to be complicated. In terms of I2CP, there aren't a lot of libraries that implement the whole specification in other languages, so you probably will end up using SAM. That said, though, there's also a command line tool that will do this that I wrote as part of this project. This gives you a lot more information about I2P. It tells you that it's running. It gives you the opportunity to create a destination and validate that you are, in fact, talking to who you think you're talking to. That said, though, SAM v3 is not enabled by default on the core Java I2P router, so it might fail in that case too. But you'll always have an I2CP port, and that will always work. And then the last thing is to check proxy.i2p. And this is just an HTTP request over localhost 4444, just like the regular Java I2P proxy uses for when you're configuring your browser, you know, taking something over cURL or whatever, to proxy.i2p, which is a loopback address. And what it'll reply with is either proxy is ready or proxy is not ready, you know, tunnels need to be built, or whatever. And that gives you almost as much information as talking to I2CP just for one request back and forth to validate that I2P is there. And it'll work everywhere. So once you've established that there's an I2P router running or not, I think that this should roughly be the default when you start your application. So you should check for the presence of a running I2P router first, and then probe for the API capabilities that you want. If all you need is an HTTP proxy, only ask for the HTTP proxy. If all you need is SAM, only ask for SAM. And once that comes back, you'll either know whether the API is available or not, and just start your application. If not, check the default paths for an I2P router that's already installed by the user before we got there. If it's available, try and start it. If it's not available, go to the next step. If you can't discover an I2P router, go ahead and unpack a copy of I2P0. Start I2P0, then immediately start SAM. Use that to establish any tunnels for your application, and I'll get to why in just a second. Now, I glossed over some details in this slide about waiting for certain things to become available. I would like to let available for you to review because these are next to impossible to read on this TV, and I'm sorry for that. Now, there's still a problem with this approach in terms of the resources. It's not currently possible to run SAM freestanding of either the Java I2P or C++ I2PD routers. That said, though, I2P0 is pretty darn close. We can live with that for a while until unbundled SAM v3 is a working thing. So what I created out of this is called Go Zero and Zero Bundle, which is a library that supports it. And all it does is treats I2P0 as a static resource, handles installation, start, stop, and management on behalf of the I2P router, or the I2PD router, rather, from a Go application. These also all correspond to command line interfaces, or command line interface apps, rather, that you can use to manage an embedded I2P, just about any kind of app, because we can generate a .a file and link it to a C program. It's huge. It will add some overhead to your app, so that is a bit of a drawback. But it is exactly the same overhead that you would have added in another place had you bundled I2P0 with your app as a zip, which, of course, is also valid and possible to do with Go Zero. I2CP check is sort of a re-envisioned piece of the core utils puzzle for people who want to bundle I2P routers with their application in a zip file, in particular, I2P0. What they do is they do this API probing and path probing to detect pre-existing I2P routers or determine if I2P routers are ready. So if you want to build a launcher script for your I2P enabled app, but don't want to actually embed it inside of the app, then you can use these to do all your discovery and API probing needs. And then lastly, the thing that I am beginning to build with this is a replacement for a somewhat ill-fated I2P browser project. For those of you that don't know, we attempted to build an I2P browser toward the beginning of last year, worked on it for about a year, and concluded that the Mozilla code base was moving a little too fast for us to keep up and also develop the Java I2P router at the same time. So I spent my time looking for ways to make that process a little bit easier for us to manage, and this was part of what I came up with. Because we're so decoupled from the applications themselves, I believe this probing is kind of a necessary process. Actually multiple I2P routers on the same machine. During the I2P browser process, and at the time, I was developing on an Acer Aspire C720 with 4 gigs of RAM. It was not fun. It was very challenging. And so that was a thing that we needed that we never got around to doing in that one, which I did with this project. I really want to see I2P0 in all the things. I want to see it in every app that uses I2P right now that does not bundle a router with it. I think that it stands a really good chance of smoothing over our install issues, and if done properly, we don't ever have to worry about using too many resources. And, well, I think that is about the end of what I have. If there are any questions, I can see them in the Jitsi, maybe? Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much. I'm looking to see if there's any questions. I don't see any on YouTube or IRC. I also don't see them on Discord either. It looks like it was pretty self-explanatory. Yeah, nothing too complicated here. Very useful from my point of view, but nothing terribly complicated in this presentation. Got it, got it. Okay, I guess, how familiar are you with the efforts to integrate I2P in Monero in a deeper level? I know it's integrated through I2P0 with the Monero daemon and Monero CLI to some extent. Are you aware of those efforts? Do you communicate with anyone that works on those projects? I've been seeing myself with those efforts, I would say. I've been getting myself more familiar with them over the past two months as our browser project is kind of... well, my browser project at this point. It's a mistake to identify it with I2P exactly at this point. This is something I did on the weekend. But yeah, I've been familiarizing myself with the process there, and I think actually the... to making some suggestions. It could be scripted already. But I'm not sure that that's something that is something that people want to do yet. Okay, cool. I don't see any other questions coming in. Do you normally post your slides anywhere? I don't have them up yet, but I will put them up as soon as the presentation is over. I got to reboot this other laptop. Got it, got it. I'm wrapping up my trivia thing that's on right after this. I'm writing a last final question. Let's see. Okay. All right. Well, if no one else has any questions, we gave it a bit of time. Well, then I'm going to say thank you so much, IDK, for joining us. It was great to have you describe what you've been working on. And it's always good to hear what other privacy projects are going on. I know it was really useful for me to have known what I2P was before I learned about crypto, because we've had these decentralized systems out for a while. And sort of people are like, oh, Bitcoin is the only decentralized thing. And they kind of forget everything else exists in a comical sense. I think the community can definitely learn a lot from looking at I2P, just because you've been around forever. Yeah, almost. If it were a person, we could vote. It's about 18 years now. Crazy, crazy stuff. All right. Well, thank you so much."
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