[00:04.040 --> 00:11.140] Hello everyone and thank you for having me. My name is Simon Weckert. I'm a Berlin-based artist [00:12.200 --> 00:17.480] and in the beginning of the year I did a project which is called Google Maps Hacks, [00:17.480 --> 00:24.460] which got a lot of attention in social media, in the news, on television. And today I would like [00:24.460 --> 00:31.820] to give you a short introduction and a short insight about the project, what was my motivation, [00:31.820 --> 00:38.700] what is the technique behind. And before I gonna start with that, I would like to [00:38.700 --> 00:44.880] play a short video of the project, especially for the ones which don't know what I'm talking about. [02:37.580 --> 02:45.680] So before I start, just a short introduction to myself, what is my background. [02:46.720 --> 02:53.600] I studied art at the University of Art in Berlin and there I was much more interested into [02:54.300 --> 03:01.640] digital computing, coding, electronics. And that's actually also, I would say, what I learned [03:02.200 --> 03:08.780] and that's also what I'm interested in. So basically in my artworks or in the topics [03:08.780 --> 03:16.660] I'm dealing with, I'm super interested in how technology influences, how technology [03:17.580 --> 03:25.360] shapes our society. So one of my, let's say, sentence I'm always kind of following is that [03:26.040 --> 03:31.380] at first we shape our tools and then they shape us. At some point I truly believe in that. [03:31.640 --> 03:36.860] For example, how it shapes our language when we talk to each other, but also of course [03:36.860 --> 03:44.620] how it shapes mobility, how we move in a city, how we interact in society and so on by technology. [03:45.320 --> 03:55.360] And those are basically some leading questions and topics what I'm trying to understand [03:55.360 --> 04:03.760] and to follow and basically also make people aware of it, what technology means to us, [04:03.760 --> 04:13.980] what technology means to society and also make topics specific related to technology, [04:13.980 --> 04:22.660] let's say, open or understandable for people which are not so familiar with it. [04:23.300 --> 04:34.180] So therefore, one of these projects or one of the performances I did was the so-called [04:34.180 --> 04:42.120] Google Maps Hacks in the beginning of the year. And as you have seen in the video, what I did [04:42.780 --> 04:52.000] was basically I used a red wagon, which is actually made for for children, and I used [04:52.000 --> 04:59.040] 99 smartphones, put them into the wagon and was carrying those wagons behind me in the streets [04:59.040 --> 05:08.160] of Berlin. The special thing about it was that on the smartphones there were Android smartphones, [05:08.160 --> 05:15.200] basically Google smartphones. There was also Google Maps running on it, but I will come to [05:15.200 --> 05:20.120] that specific point later on because it might be possible that some of you are interested in how [05:20.120 --> 05:27.240] this technique behind works. But anyway, so basically I was carrying those 99 smartphones [05:29.040 --> 05:37.300] behind me in the streets of Berlin and by doing so I was able to generate and virtual traffic [05:37.300 --> 05:44.940] on Google Maps service or basically in the navigation tool of Google Maps. [05:45.940 --> 05:53.800] So I got the idea for the performance during the 1st of May demonstration in Berlin. [05:54.020 --> 06:00.460] Basically every year in Berlin, on the 1st of May, there are huge protests and basic [06:00.460 --> 06:06.820] demonstrations in the city of namely Kreuzberg and Neukölln, where people are going outside [06:06.820 --> 06:14.820] in the streets and fighting, protesting for their labour rights. And I think it was like [06:14.820 --> 06:20.680] three years ago when I went to one of those protests and during that time I checked my [06:20.680 --> 06:28.720] smartphone, also in that sense the application Google Maps, and then I realized that in that time [06:28.720 --> 06:35.680] that there were a lot of traffic in the streets of Berlin or in that area where the protests were [06:35.680 --> 06:44.400] going on. And then I thought like, oh wow, actually interesting that there is virtual traffic [06:44.400 --> 06:52.100] on Google Maps right now, because in fact right now there is no car at all on the street, [06:52.100 --> 06:57.760] there are just people walking alongside the street. And then I thought like, wow, that's actually [06:57.760 --> 07:05.780] quite interesting to me to see how Google is generating this virtual traffic. [07:06.240 --> 07:11.680] And I thought like, might it be possible to reproduce that kind of effect? And it was for me [07:11.680 --> 07:19.120] quite clear that I don't need, let's say, a lot of people walking alongside the street. [07:19.120 --> 07:26.660] Actually what I need is their smartphones to generate something similar to this. [07:26.660 --> 07:34.640] So this was basically the beginning for me to start, or when it was starting to grow, to think [07:34.640 --> 07:44.900] of, okay, can I reproduce something like that by myself? This was then the point where everything [07:44.900 --> 07:56.640] started to think about, okay, how can I reproduce it? And then the whole journey began for me like, [07:56.640 --> 08:06.380] what do I need for that? For example, do I need for each smartphone one SIM card, [08:06.380 --> 08:13.300] or could it also work with some kind of hotspot? It means that multiple smartphones are connected [08:13.300 --> 08:18.700] to one smartphone, and does it mean that this could also work, that Google believes or thinks [08:18.700 --> 08:24.620] that, okay, there are, let's say, 10 smartphones, but in fact they are all connected to one SIM card. [08:25.660 --> 08:35.080] So that was basically a lot of backward-forward processes and tests going on. I mean, for me, [08:35.080 --> 08:40.260] the biggest thing was actually to get smartphones in general. I thought it might be quite easy to [08:40.260 --> 08:43.820] get second-hand smartphones, but in the end, I figured out it's actually not that easy. [08:43.820 --> 08:50.820] Especially, I mean, when I was in Germany, I couldn't find, let's say, providers which [08:50.820 --> 08:57.720] offered them cheap, where you could basically buy them. So what I did was, in the end, I asked [08:57.860 --> 09:06.600] a lot of friends if they could rent me their smartphone for one day. And I also got a pretty [09:06.600 --> 09:12.620] good contract to an official smartphone rental station, where you can rent a smartphone for one [09:12.620 --> 09:23.040] day. And then this was basically the way how I got 99 smartphones. 99 in that sense also stands [09:23.040 --> 09:33.800] for the Occupy movement in New York. And of course, there's also a link to the Jay-Z song [09:33.800 --> 09:42.160] 99 Problems. And so, for me, it was actually after I figured out, okay, [09:42.760 --> 09:47.160] actually, this hack also works with less smartphones. For me, it was pretty much [09:47.160 --> 09:52.580] only a question, okay, I need basically some kind of number which is, you know, getting [09:52.580 --> 09:59.540] somehow rememberable or notable in social media. And that was the reason why I came up with 99 [09:59.540 --> 10:06.020] smartphones. So there's, for example, here an important fact is that you don't need 99 [10:06.020 --> 10:13.420] smartphones. It can also work, for example, with 50. And I have always also seen people, [10:13.420 --> 10:22.300] let's say copycats on YouTube, and they use 20-25 smartphones. So therefore, here it makes sense to [10:22.920 --> 10:32.340] point out that it's basically the question where you want to produce virtual traffic. [10:32.600 --> 10:39.600] So to me, it looks like this. You can use less smartphones to produce virtual traffic when you're, [10:39.600 --> 10:44.920] let's say, on the countryside compared to when you're in the city with the potential that, [10:44.920 --> 10:51.980] let's say, cars are passing by where you're going to carry the wagon with the smartphones behind you. [10:51.980 --> 10:57.540] Then it seems to make sense to have more smartphones in the wagon. So that's actually [10:57.540 --> 11:07.920] what I learned or basically what I figured out during my test phase. And so, yeah, basically, [11:08.880 --> 11:13.660] then for me, it was like, okay, what I learned is, okay, let's say to produce something like this [11:13.660 --> 11:21.700] in Berlin, I learned that I need around 50. But then, of course, it also came to my mind, [11:22.260 --> 11:27.280] basically, I would like to place that somehow, let's say, in the social media, I would like to [11:27.280 --> 11:34.400] have some kind of, let's say, that people remember that. And that was the reason why I came up with [11:34.400 --> 11:44.600] 99. So what was my main motivation behind the project? So I would say that there are multiple [11:45.720 --> 11:52.440] reasons or motivations behind them. But I think like one of them, probably the biggest one is [11:52.440 --> 11:59.900] the map in general, in that sense, the digital map. And let's say the paradigm change, [11:59.900 --> 12:07.480] compared to analog maps, which we had back in the days. So I mean, imagine that probably if [12:07.480 --> 12:15.140] you ask somebody, think about the map, then I would say that for 80 or 90% of the people, [12:15.140 --> 12:22.040] what pops pops out in their mind is probably a digital map, for example, Google Maps, right? [12:22.440 --> 12:29.140] But this wasn't always like this, of course. And like back in the days, we had analog printed maps. [12:29.140 --> 12:35.960] And those maps have been shaped, those maps have been produced. And those maps have been, [12:35.960 --> 12:43.140] of course, let's say, controlled and manipulated as well, by most of the time states and military. [12:43.220 --> 12:50.860] So they used it for specific purposes, they use it for an instrument to argue. And I mean, [12:50.860 --> 12:56.140] of course, they use it, for example, to divide countries to divide areas. And [12:57.000 --> 13:03.360] yeah, basically, they have been used as an instrument for powerful control. [13:05.440 --> 13:13.700] And well, regarding this, and having a look at the maps we have today, I thought, okay, [13:13.700 --> 13:20.180] actually something is going on here, which basically I see as a paradigm change, [13:20.180 --> 13:27.620] in case of regards to the, let's say, power to the control to the influence of those maps, [13:27.620 --> 13:33.480] which means that back in the days, we had the military, we had the state. And now we have pretty [13:33.480 --> 13:41.060] much more, I would say private companies, which are defining how those maps looks like. And this [13:41.060 --> 13:48.760] to me generates, of course, questions like, okay, we have these maps as digital maps, but then where [13:48.760 --> 13:56.180] does those standard comes from? How transparent is the system? How can I, as a user of those maps, [13:56.180 --> 14:02.800] shape it? Especially also, let's say, also as well, how can I manipulate it? [14:02.800 --> 14:07.640] And how open is the system, especially from a democratic point of view, right? [14:09.400 --> 14:16.520] So in that sense, I think it's worth it to have a closer look what digital maps, [14:16.520 --> 14:24.500] especially Google Maps, means to us these days. And also, yeah, how I think it's shaping, [14:24.500 --> 14:36.400] how it's influencing our everyday life. So the advent of Google's GeoTool began in 2005 [14:36.400 --> 14:45.140] with Maps Earth and followed by Street View in 2007. And they have since become [14:45.140 --> 14:52.800] enormously more technology advanced. Google's virtual maps have little in common with classical [14:52.800 --> 14:58.560] analog maps. The most significant difference is that Google Maps are interactive, scrollable, [14:58.560 --> 15:05.600] searchable, and zoomable. And Google's map services has fundamentally changed our understanding of [15:05.600 --> 15:11.500] what a map is, how we interact with maps, their technology limitation, and how they look [15:11.500 --> 15:17.280] aesthetically. So in this fashion, Google Maps makes virtual changes to the real city. [15:17.580 --> 15:24.800] Applications such as Airbnb and car sharing have an immense impact on cities, on the housing market [15:24.800 --> 15:31.800] and mobility culture, for instance. There's also a major impact on how we find a romantic partner [15:31.800 --> 15:40.280] thanks to a dating platform such as Tinder and on our self-quantifying behavior thanks to the [15:40.280 --> 15:48.620] Nike Jogging app or map-based food delivery apps like Deliveroo or Foodura. All of these [15:48.620 --> 15:55.880] apps function via interfaces with Google Maps and create new forms of digital capitalism. [15:55.920 --> 16:02.920] And without these maps, car sharing systems, new taxi apps, bike rental systems, and online transport [16:02.920 --> 16:10.020] agency services such as Uber would be unthinkable. An additional mapping market is provided by [16:10.020 --> 16:15.080] self-driving cars. And again, Google has already established a position for itself. [16:15.740 --> 16:21.980] With its GeoTools, Google has created a platform that allows users and businesses to interact with [16:21.980 --> 16:26.460] maps in a novel way. This means that questions relating to power and the discourse of [16:26.460 --> 16:32.640] category have to be reformulated. But what is the relation between the art of enabling [16:32.640 --> 16:38.880] and techniques of supervision, control, and regulation in Google Maps? Do these maps function [16:38.880 --> 16:45.560] as a dispositive net that determines the behavior, opinions, and images of living beings exercising [16:45.560 --> 16:54.720] power and controlling knowledge? So as an example, think about protest demonstrations in a city. [16:55.160 --> 17:02.780] So let's say, I think the main purpose for demonstrations or protests is to interrupt [17:02.780 --> 17:08.260] the everyday life of people living in a city, right? So when you go to the street, [17:08.260 --> 17:15.080] you're going to block the street. And that means you would like to interrupt their daily, let's say, [17:15.080 --> 17:21.960] business and to make them aware of something, what you're fighting for, what you're protesting for. [17:21.960 --> 17:28.280] So let's imagine that we have a navigation system like Google Maps. [17:29.200 --> 17:38.200] That means that cars and, let's say, tourists in cars, people living in the city, driving in the [17:38.200 --> 17:44.660] city are getting rerouted around that demonstration because of this navigation system. Because the [17:44.660 --> 17:50.440] navigation system is saying you, yeah, actually there is some traffic in front of you, so I'm [17:50.440 --> 17:55.440] going to show you a better route to your destination. But what happened then is that [17:56.080 --> 18:01.980] you in a car, sitting in a car, driving in a car, you will never get aware of what [18:01.980 --> 18:09.360] happened there in front of you into the street. Like basically what happened there, let's say, [18:09.360 --> 18:16.920] when people, let's say, farmers are protesting for better milk prices or so on and so on. [18:16.920 --> 18:22.200] So you will never get to know actually what's going on there because you will actually [18:22.940 --> 18:29.160] not get that there are people protesting there in front of you. And that, for me, [18:29.160 --> 18:36.360] is actually a kind of, let's say, dangerous effect because that means that, therefore, [18:36.360 --> 18:44.100] it's somehow cutting one of our democratic tools we have, which is basically the democratic [18:44.100 --> 18:51.060] or the protest culture, the demonstration culture, where we are able to go out and say something out [18:51.860 --> 18:59.200] and I think there I see a kind of danger what, let's say, Google needs to work on to [19:02.680 --> 19:07.420] basically implement this and that into their cities that even if you are getting re-routers [19:08.100 --> 19:14.020] that you already get some kind of indication why you are basically getting re-routed. So is it [19:14.020 --> 19:18.360] because of a traffic or might it be possible there is, for example, a demonstration going on [19:18.360 --> 19:22.040] and if there is a demonstration going on, what kind of demonstration is it? [19:22.040 --> 19:29.960] So I think that's, for example, a pretty interesting, let's say, side effect which [19:29.960 --> 19:42.430] comes up when we gonna use tools like Google Maps. Another effect that comes with Google Maps [19:42.430 --> 19:50.730] and servers, especially with the traffic feature, is that imagine that there is a [19:50.730 --> 19:56.090] highway and there is a traffic, then the navigation system tells me, okay, [19:56.090 --> 20:02.650] I found a shorter, faster route around it and therefore you will get getting re-routed, [20:02.650 --> 20:10.390] for example, to a smaller city or let's say an area with smaller streets [20:11.410 --> 20:19.230] and that actually creates or could create much more traffic compared to, let's wait 20 minutes, [20:19.230 --> 20:24.930] 30 minutes until this traffic got solved. So basically what happened is, and that's a quite [20:24.930 --> 20:30.830] interesting, for me a quite interesting friction, what I see there between, let's say, those digital [20:30.830 --> 20:37.770] tools and the analog world, is that, for example, our cities, our streets, most of the time they [20:37.770 --> 20:45.870] are not made for a huge amount of, let's say, cars, right? And when we gonna use these navigation [20:45.870 --> 20:53.650] systems and we gonna get re-routed by those navigation systems through, let's say, smaller [20:53.650 --> 21:00.910] cities, that means that the amount of cars which are getting re-routed are actually creating much [21:00.910 --> 21:06.790] more traffic in that area because this area is actually not made for that many cars. [21:06.790 --> 21:11.390] So therefore for me it means that actually it needs to be also something implemented [21:12.030 --> 21:21.150] into these services that is also basically realizing, okay, this route actually makes [21:21.150 --> 21:27.730] sense to you, but it also realizes that when it's gonna send, let's say, 100 cars there, [21:27.730 --> 21:32.230] then it actually will create much more traffic or it will create much more, let's say, problems in [21:32.230 --> 21:40.150] that area compared to, say, okay, look, just basically wait 20-30 minutes and this might [21:40.150 --> 21:48.910] be better, might be faster for you instead of going to link around it. [21:54.060 --> 22:02.860] So these are just a few examples where I think that digital maps will shape our, let's say, [22:02.860 --> 22:12.260] how we move, how we interact, for example, in urban space, in a city and in the near future. [22:12.820 --> 22:17.940] And, I mean, maybe as another example, as a last example, I would like to give you [22:17.940 --> 22:24.300] also, let's say, for, let's say, kind of a future view is that, as we all know, [22:24.300 --> 22:34.540] Pokemon Go, Pokemon Go in the background is also using Google Maps services to locate, [22:35.100 --> 22:43.640] basically, to locate Pokemons in the area where you are. And there are reports that are saying [22:43.640 --> 22:52.020] that there is a cooperation between, for example, restaurants or some kind of, let's say, businesses [22:52.660 --> 23:01.780] and Pokemon Go talking to each other through the Google Maps service to means that, for example, [23:01.780 --> 23:08.340] McDonald's talked to Pokemon Go to tell them like, yeah, look, could you probably [23:09.500 --> 23:18.340] place pretty raw Pokemons in front of our store? Of course, with the main motivation that [23:19.100 --> 23:27.700] the users of those applications will probably have a look or go into the store once they are [23:27.700 --> 23:34.040] standing in front of it. So, therefore, we see that it's not just like this that we are gonna [23:35.100 --> 23:40.080] using Google Maps, as we know it, in an application. It actually also lies behind [23:40.080 --> 23:47.460] of a lot of services and it's gonna be used by, let's say, a lot of, yeah, things [23:47.460 --> 23:54.720] we probably use every day or like, you know, post delivery. I mean, police is using it. [23:54.720 --> 24:00.900] And, of course, as I already mentioned, specific delivery services and so on. [24:00.920 --> 24:12.080] So, therefore, I see a lot of, let's say, yeah, control and power influence by Google [24:12.800 --> 24:20.080] when we are talking about like how these tools shaping our everyday life. [24:26.200 --> 24:32.120] So, this was pretty much more, let's say, my motivation and what I was interested in [24:32.120 --> 24:40.560] in this project. And now I would like to give you a short insight of what happened when I [24:40.560 --> 24:47.500] published the project and basically, let's say, the afterglow of it. And probably also [24:47.500 --> 24:53.580] maybe some kind of stuff like how it went viral and so on. So, the thing is or one important, [24:53.580 --> 25:00.880] I think, what I think why it went so viral was one important fact is that I published [25:00.880 --> 25:09.080] the project one week before the 15th birthday of Google Maps. So, I was aware of that [25:10.000 --> 25:14.700] probably a lot of or that was quite clear for me that a lot of journalists and newspapers, [25:14.700 --> 25:20.480] they will write about the Google Maps birthday and they will write about something like, okay, [25:20.480 --> 25:28.500] this service has a lot of influence in our everyday life and how it shaped and so on and so on [25:28.500 --> 25:36.440] our everyday life. And I wanted also to give those journalists and newspapers, let's say, [25:36.440 --> 25:44.800] another view about this service and also somehow, let's say, show them the downside of it. [25:44.800 --> 25:52.460] And that was the reason why I published this project one week before the birthday, [25:52.460 --> 26:00.720] so that they basically could took it into their articles and to write about it. And that was also [26:00.720 --> 26:04.620] basically the whole journey, because after I published it, I got like so many [26:06.340 --> 26:13.600] interviews and yeah, well, basically had to write a lot of emails and so on and so on. [26:13.920 --> 26:22.500] And this was actually for me quite a long, long learning process, like how to deal with the media [26:22.500 --> 26:31.220] and also, let's say, how to make it, let's say, as easy and understandable as possible [26:31.220 --> 26:40.220] for a wider audience. And let's say, one of the most, let's say, the question that I got most was [26:40.220 --> 26:48.220] that if Google basically wrote me or got in contact with me, and that's not the case, [26:48.220 --> 26:56.380] but they gave a statement, I think it was in the Guardian, where they said, [26:56.380 --> 27:04.200] where Google's spokesperson said, whether we are car or cart or camel, we love to see creative [27:04.200 --> 27:14.080] users of Google Maps, as it helps us to make maps work better over time. And so I think they took it [27:14.080 --> 27:23.260] in a kind of sporty way and basically now, I guess, they are trying to work on it, that [27:24.140 --> 27:33.660] this kind of, let's say, hack doesn't happen in the future. I personally think that [27:34.720 --> 27:47.720] they might not be able to fix that because, for example, what I did to, let's say, trick the [27:47.720 --> 27:54.420] algorithm was that I was simulating some kind of stop and go behavior with the wagon. That means [27:54.420 --> 28:02.680] that I was carrying the wagon behind me and from time to time I was running, then I was basically [28:02.680 --> 28:10.180] standing there, going slower and then basically I had this kind of, let's say, unregular rhythm [28:11.210 --> 28:21.300] during I was walking in the street of Berlin. And what I also did was that I also spent sometimes [28:21.300 --> 28:28.900] half an hour or also 40 minutes at one place and basically was, you know, working forward, [28:28.900 --> 28:36.900] backward on one spot, especially, for example, in front of the Google headquarters in Berlin. [28:37.620 --> 28:42.420] So, therefore, I think I'm not sure if they are able to track something like this because [28:42.420 --> 28:49.220] when they are able to track some kind of behavior, then it also means that, for example, [28:49.220 --> 28:54.980] demonstrational protests might be not being tracked by Google. So, basically, I think there [28:54.980 --> 29:03.900] are then... there's basically this kind of a problem for them because when they are saying [29:03.900 --> 29:08.480] they're gonna solve these kind of bugs, it also means that they probably cannot be... they [29:08.480 --> 29:14.640] will not be able to, let's say, track a lot of people walking alongside the street, like protests, [29:14.640 --> 29:22.700] for example. So, therefore, I'm curious to see if Google will solve this problem in the future [29:22.700 --> 29:29.980] and for sure I will do another test, maybe this year, maybe next year. And, yeah, well, I think [29:29.980 --> 29:35.880] what's worth it to mention is that as we know that usually these kind of bugs, I mean, of course, [29:35.880 --> 29:41.240] we can debate it if it is basically a hack or a bug or not, but of course it's somehow, I would say, [29:41.240 --> 29:47.380] let's say, a problem which they have to solve, right? But when, I would say, especially in this [29:47.380 --> 29:53.540] techie world, if somebody finds this kind of bugs, right, then they're gonna deal with it in a much [29:53.540 --> 29:58.940] more, let's say, behind-the-curtain situation, right? So, basically, a broader audience will not [30:00.320 --> 30:05.460] notice something or basically will never get, let's say, in touch with something like that. [30:05.700 --> 30:13.680] And I think what this performance I did makes it unique is that I was using, let's say, a technique [30:13.680 --> 30:19.060] or, let's say, a metaphor story which is, like, super easy to understand for everybody, [30:19.060 --> 30:26.300] even if he or she is not familiar with this, let's say, technology in a way. Because, you know, [30:26.300 --> 30:32.880] everybody knows Google Maps and therefore, I guess, most of them also basically use those navigation [30:32.880 --> 30:41.140] systems and they can highly imagine how this kind of, basically, hack could work, right? Because [30:41.140 --> 30:49.480] you have to say that to generate virtual traffic, there are multiple ways. So, I also came across [30:49.480 --> 30:55.380] with software or, basically, with an idea of to write a program, like a little application to do [30:55.380 --> 31:04.380] that. But then I thought, yeah, actually, like, for to make it understandable and to, yeah, [31:04.380 --> 31:09.410] to make it readable for a broader audience, it needs to be, let's say, easier in a way to [31:09.410 --> 31:15.850] to read. Because, of course, I mean, most of the people, let's say, a lot of people, [31:15.850 --> 31:21.410] they, for them, algorithms and this kind of stuff is actually too abstract to understand. [31:21.730 --> 31:27.330] So, and that was the main reason why I thought, okay, it needs another technique, it needs another, [31:27.330 --> 31:38.610] let's say, yeah, story to, or method to tell the story. And this was also the reason why I've [31:38.610 --> 31:48.610] chosen the Redragon with the smartphones in it and not taking the way by to write an, yeah, [31:48.610 --> 31:52.050] to write an algorithm, to write an application, just doing that from here. [31:53.670 --> 32:00.870] So, I think that's it. I will end my presentation here. I hope it gives you a bit of an insight [32:01.350 --> 32:04.830] about the moderation and why I did the project. [32:05.450 --> 32:12.070] And I am happy to, yeah, for Q&A in the chat. And, yeah, see you later. Have a great day.