WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:15.260 This is the Darknet Contest at DEF CON 30, and I'm here with TheGulo, which is a beautiful person, but an awesome hacker, and one of the designers of the ultimate Darknet badge. 00:15.340 --> 00:18.020 And what I love about it is... what is it? 00:18.020 --> 00:19.960 Is it DEF CON Arts and Crafts? 00:19.960 --> 00:22.200 It's DEF CON Arts and Hacks. 00:23.980 --> 00:26.380 So tell me about this badge. 00:26.480 --> 00:29.900 So this year we decided that we wanted to teach basic electronics. 00:29.900 --> 00:35.100 We wanted to have people assemble things and learn how they come together. 00:35.100 --> 00:39.880 In the past, we would give them a bunch of parts and pictures, and they would just solder everything together. 00:39.940 --> 00:46.100 And you don't really learn too much from that, because the goal is to get it assembled as quickly as possible. 00:46.100 --> 00:48.120 And once it's assembled, they're done with it. 00:48.120 --> 00:52.000 So in this case, the first level of badge, it is... 00:52.000 --> 00:52.780 This is the parts. 00:52.780 --> 00:54.340 This is how everything's connected. 00:54.340 --> 00:58.900 Once everything's connected and set up, then you have to learn how level two works. 00:58.900 --> 01:01.660 I give you a schematic, but I don't give you a photo. 01:01.660 --> 01:05.180 I give you the parts, and I tell you how the parts interact with each other. 01:05.180 --> 01:08.300 And you have to learn and figure out and build the badge from there. 01:08.300 --> 01:14.240 Wait, something you just said is there is not one, but there's multiple levels of this badge. 01:14.240 --> 01:21.020 Yes, we have three primary levels of the badge and a black badge while supplies last. 01:21.480 --> 01:25.480 Is it just a piece of, like, black construction paper? 01:25.480 --> 01:26.820 Pretty close. 01:26.820 --> 01:29.840 A little bit more, but not too much. 01:29.840 --> 01:30.580 I'm curious. 01:30.580 --> 01:32.840 Is this foldable technology? 01:33.580 --> 01:35.880 Depends on how well you do at it. 01:35.880 --> 01:39.220 I am very... I am horrible at arts and hacks. 01:39.220 --> 01:45.760 I cannot do crafts to save my life, which is strange that I was the one to build the badge. 01:45.760 --> 01:47.700 But so far, so good. 01:47.700 --> 01:51.700 I heard there is indeed a soldering spoon included as well. 01:51.700 --> 01:54.880 There is a soldering spoon, and the soldering spoon has uses. 01:54.880 --> 01:59.880 And I'm super stoked that everyone is using a soldering spoon on their badges so far. 01:59.880 --> 02:00.940 Super entertaining. 02:00.940 --> 02:02.160 That is so funny. 02:02.160 --> 02:04.820 Now, is yours able to turn on? 02:05.600 --> 02:08.560 My badge has been crushed a couple of times. 02:11.310 --> 02:13.910 But yes, my badge does turn on. 02:13.910 --> 02:15.950 Oh, that is so cool. 02:16.390 --> 02:22.170 Not entirely sure what's happening in the contest area right now, but they are flicking the lights on and off. 02:22.170 --> 02:28.410 With this badge, though, I'm laughing because what gave you this idea for a paper badge? 02:28.410 --> 02:29.830 I guess it's not a paper badge. 02:29.830 --> 02:31.430 It's the arts and crafts badge. 02:31.430 --> 02:33.630 Because I see, like, the line is massive. 02:33.630 --> 02:35.270 There's tons of people here. 02:35.430 --> 02:39.490 Why, like, the Darknet badges, you know, was it Defcon 27? 02:39.650 --> 02:42.410 Multiple layers, multiple processors, touchscreen. 02:42.570 --> 02:49.370 Why did you go from, we'll say, like, an advanced, sophisticated badge to this? 02:49.370 --> 02:52.330 There's two main reasons for the paper badge. 02:52.330 --> 02:57.130 The first reason is it's a total troll on Badge Life, which is just awesome. 02:57.370 --> 03:02.030 The other reason is, is I needed some way for people to build their own circuits. 03:02.030 --> 03:08.070 If I built a PCB and I handed it to them, they can only follow what's on that PCB. 03:08.070 --> 03:13.410 But if I give them a canvas to build a circuit on, then they can build whatever circuit they want. 03:13.410 --> 03:17.390 They can set it up, they can design it, they can do whatever they want with it. 03:17.390 --> 03:20.750 So the goal was, this is how you design a basic circuit. 03:20.750 --> 03:24.370 This is how you make LEDs turn on, blink, do different things. 03:24.370 --> 03:32.250 And I know, like, okay, so truth be told, I'm part of the Darknet team, so I know a lot about, like, this badge and what we've been wanting to do with it. 03:32.250 --> 03:38.010 And one of the other reasons was it was a return to what the contest was about, wasn't it? 03:38.010 --> 03:48.590 Like, the purpose of Darknet was to get people going out, introducing them to the con, going to the lockpicking village, solving a challenge, coming back, submitting that to the daemon. 03:48.730 --> 03:49.590 Or daemon. 03:49.590 --> 03:53.410 I know that's still, like, a hotly debated topic, is it daemon or daemon. 03:53.410 --> 03:56.090 I don't know, throw it in the comments on which one it is. 03:56.350 --> 03:59.530 But that was one of the things, to get people to go out. 03:59.530 --> 04:03.010 And some of the badges have become so sophisticated. 04:03.290 --> 04:13.390 Like, the one in DEF CON 27 was so sophisticated, where there was touchscreen, and there was surface mount, and through-hole, and multiple firmware updates, and RF and Wi-Fi. 04:13.390 --> 04:17.610 It feels like it's going back to the roots of a contest. 04:17.610 --> 04:21.590 This is definitely going back to, how do you build a base? 04:21.590 --> 04:22.830 How do you learn something? 04:22.830 --> 04:29.810 If I hand you an ESP32, or an Arduino, or a Raspberry Pi, and I'm like, I need you to make something blink. 04:29.810 --> 04:31.650 I need you to make something do something. 04:31.690 --> 04:35.730 It's so complex that you get stuck with indecision. 04:35.730 --> 04:36.650 Where do I start? 04:36.650 --> 04:37.530 How do I start? 04:37.530 --> 04:38.610 Where do I learn? 04:38.610 --> 04:42.310 This is, I have power, I have LEDs, I have resistance. 04:42.310 --> 04:45.190 It's the most basic thing that I could come up with. 04:45.530 --> 04:53.350 And once you solve those basic things, then you can move on to things that are a little bit more complex, and a little bit more complex on top of that. 04:53.350 --> 04:56.230 So building the base, and then teaching people as they go. 04:56.230 --> 05:00.310 And one of the things I also love about this is, again, yeah, it's very approachable. 05:00.310 --> 05:01.510 Anyone can start this. 05:01.510 --> 05:03.430 But you mentioned some of the more advanced things. 05:03.750 --> 05:05.370 What's going to be level two? 05:05.370 --> 05:06.790 What's going to be included in that? 05:06.790 --> 05:09.530 Level two are A-stable multivibrators. 05:09.530 --> 05:14.470 We're adding transistors in, and capacitors, so that your LEDs now blink. 05:14.470 --> 05:24.570 And you can choose how fast your LEDs blink, how quickly, based off the size of capacitors and resistors, how to connect up an actual transistor, and how transistors work. 05:24.810 --> 05:26.670 That's really cool. 05:26.670 --> 05:33.050 I know when I was competing in DarkNet, one of the things was I was rushing to put the badge together. 05:33.050 --> 05:34.390 And I didn't really truly understand. 05:34.390 --> 05:35.770 I wasn't really learning electronics. 05:35.770 --> 05:41.650 I was learning how to solder, but I wasn't really necessarily learning the hardware hacking aspects. 05:41.890 --> 05:49.410 And with this, you're learning some of those basic 101 things, which I say is not common knowledge. 05:49.410 --> 05:58.930 And I know there's learn-to-solder boards, but that requires even the knowledge, you know, in order to solder this learn-to-solder badge, well, I have to learn to solder. 05:58.930 --> 06:03.510 I have to learn what heat to put it on, flow, and de-soldering when I make a mistake. 06:03.790 --> 06:05.570 And there's no soldering irons around. 06:05.570 --> 06:07.310 You have a soldering spoon. 06:07.310 --> 06:09.790 You have conductive tape. 06:09.790 --> 06:12.130 Like, in some ways, it does feel... 06:12.130 --> 06:17.910 Like, in some ways, when I first heard this idea, I was thinking, like, this is a troll. 06:17.910 --> 06:19.510 Like, it's a paper badge. 06:19.510 --> 06:23.050 Like, yeah, hey, you can rip off the bottom of it. 06:23.050 --> 06:26.350 You can tape it together and make your own blockchain. 06:26.350 --> 06:28.250 Oh, it's foldable technology. 06:28.310 --> 06:31.130 And one more thing. 06:31.150 --> 06:33.190 It's fully recyclable. 06:33.190 --> 06:35.370 Built 100% green. 06:35.370 --> 06:38.190 There's so many of those things going on. 06:38.590 --> 06:44.250 But then the more it was talked about, the more I've heard it from you, it's not really a troll. 06:44.250 --> 06:48.410 It really is back to the core of what Darknet is, right? 06:48.410 --> 06:49.830 Yeah, it's learning. 06:49.830 --> 06:51.430 We're a teaching contest. 06:51.430 --> 06:52.910 We've been a teaching contest. 06:52.910 --> 06:54.150 So whatever we can... 06:54.970 --> 06:59.910 In theory, I'm forcing people to learn because I'm not giving them step-by-step instruction. 06:59.990 --> 07:03.330 When you hit level two, you have the parts. 07:03.330 --> 07:06.650 You have the descriptions, how they interact, examples. 07:06.690 --> 07:08.750 But I never give you the actual circuit. 07:08.750 --> 07:12.470 I never say this pin connects to this, this pin connects to this. 07:12.470 --> 07:15.450 I describe all the parts and you have to learn and figure it out. 07:15.450 --> 07:19.730 And the introductory kit is going for $100, $200. 07:20.210 --> 07:25.130 We had originally posted it for under $100 and we opted. 07:25.130 --> 07:26.910 So all of our badges this year are free. 07:26.910 --> 07:30.090 So levels one, two, and three and the black badge are free. 07:30.370 --> 07:31.470 That's awesome. 07:31.470 --> 07:32.810 Parts, pieces, everything. 07:32.810 --> 07:37.410 Yeah, it's... I mean, where else can you find a free badge at DEF CON? 07:37.410 --> 07:39.370 I mean, I love this concept. 07:39.370 --> 07:41.290 I love how popular it is. 07:41.290 --> 07:46.450 The thing which I actually am so excited about is that it really is. 07:46.450 --> 07:47.770 It's a blank canvas. 07:47.770 --> 07:50.110 It's whatever you want to put on there. 07:50.110 --> 07:51.490 It's so cool. 07:52.330 --> 07:54.290 Obviously, I love DarkNet. 07:54.290 --> 07:55.470 Thank you for standing around. 07:55.470 --> 07:58.930 I mean, I know you dedicate your entire con just to helping people out. 07:58.930 --> 08:01.010 So thank you for what you do. 08:01.010 --> 08:05.330 Thanks for checking out DarkNet and the other DC30 content. 08:05.330 --> 08:08.170 And as always, hack on!