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So if your fingers are turning white like mine are here, that we would say is too much tension. I'm pretty experienced in this and I tend to actually prefer heavy tension, but I've altered my techniques to accommodate that. So with a beginner putting on this much tension, what they're going to do is they're going to lock all the pins in place. Then they're going to go try to pick one and bend the pick. What I'm doing though, is I'm putting a lot of tension on just to find the binder, the one that I want to push on. And then when I go to pick it, I'm actually loosening up that tension to set the pin. And then I'm putting the tension back on to hold that pin in place and to find the next one. I imagine this is where practice comes in, getting that feel of the lock. Now, if I want to learn lock picking and I want to get better at it so I can actually maybe compete on some semblance of a level, what is the best way to start? Is it to pick up just master locks like this, or would you suggest a beginner set? I know Tool has these basic locks where you have six pins in there, and then it starts with one pin, and then two pins, and then three. Yeah, so a progressive set, when you're first getting the feel of it, a progressive set is going to be the best way to go. The reason is you can spend a lot of time on the one and the two. With the one, just one pin in there, you can make that pin bind or not bind. So if you don't have any tension on the lock, the pin's not binding. You can feel what it feels like to have a springy pin. Then when you force the tension on there, or put any amount of tension on there, you can feel what it feels like for that pin to resist your pick. And I actually have people spend a lot more time on the one and the two than most instructors do. Reason being, you can really drill it into your head, the difference between a binding pin and a non-binding pin. And the whole game here when you're single pin picking is finding the binding pin, setting it, then finding the next binding pin, and setting it, and then finding the next binding pin, and setting it, and just as soon as you've got all of them set, the lock will fall open. So you just said something like when you're doing single pin picking. So that would be picking one pin at a time. Is there other ways to pick a lock? Yes, there are absolutely other techniques. So there's a technique called zipping, which works really well on quick set locks. It doesn't tend to work as well on these, which are actually Corbin keyways. Would this be like a quick set? No, so those are master locks. Those actually have a bit more tension on them, so they're a bit harder to do this with. But what you're doing when you're zipping a lock is you're just kind of putting a little bit of tension on, and ripping, this isn't the correct pick either, I'm just demonstrating the technique, but you're ripping the pick out of there, trying to actually bounce the top pins up to create a gap between the pins. Is it similar to like bumping a lock? It is, exactly. It's basically bumping a lock just with a pick. Okay. Now when you're doing this, you're kind of tweaking the tension, just to try and keep zipping with a little bit different tension? Exactly. You want to keep tension on the whole time, but you want to keep a lighter tension than you would when you're picking, because you want to allow those pins to be able to shoot up. If you're putting a ton of tension on there, then none of the top pins are going to move. Is there other ways of picking a lock? Absolutely. There's raking. Actually, if you grab that Necessary 9 set over there that we offer over at the tool merch counter, we have these, which are called Wave Rakes. We call them the Wicked Waves. They've actually been designed through a computer program that mapped out a sinusoidal and cycloidal wave pattern, and there was a lot of time put into these to determine the best spacing, the best pattern, and there's a continuous taper from the base of the pick here to the tip. So if you look at the thickness of the pick, it actually continually decreases as you move to the tip. It's kind of hard to see, but it's definitely there. And the reason that's done is when you put pressure anywhere on that pick, it's completely equalized throughout the entire pick. So that's just kind of how these are made, but these are what's called rakes. And the way you use these is you would insert them in any lock. Generally, you would use bottom-of-the-keyway tension with a tensioner that fits correctly, and tension fitment is really important. It's actually more important than selecting the correct pick is selecting the correct tensioner. You're glazing over this topic because I think this is interesting, because when I pull a tensioner, I just grab any old tensioner. I know we're distracting from the rake right now, but how do you select the tensioner? How would I know a good tensioner? So you want to select the tensioner that fits in the keyway, does not block your pick, and puts the... basically, you want it to get out of the way, but also be able to put tension on the core as well. So you don't want it to block your pick, you don't want it to pinch the core, because the tensioner can move under this little piece of warding right here and actually seize up that core. And what happens then is you think you're picking the lock, but you're actually stopping it from moving by doing that. So tension fitment is way more important even than proper pick selection. Tensioning is seriously the most important part of this. That is something which has been lost on me forever. I know there's even like these ones which are like sort of sliced out, and I know you can kind of tension from the top. Exactly, those are made to tension from the top of the keyway like this. We tend to not tension from the top when we're raking, because the rake will knock the tensioner out of the keyway. I can actually demonstrate a little bit better with this tensioner here. When I'm raking, the waves on the rake can catch the tensioner and completely pull it out of the way. The whole idea that the tensioner is actually like an important tool, I know that's sort of silly, I didn't realize there was that much like strain put on it. Sorry, I just reacted to this from raking. Yeah, see it just happened right there. So I distracted you from raking. Let's jump back into that. How do you select which rake to use, whether it's a four or five? So with rakes, you would generally just try them. Okay. You'll try a few of them. We actually discovered just a second ago this lock is a little bit damaged, so this may not work as well. And this is the other thing is, we're doing this all live, so the fact that you're even able to pick while a camera's on you is incredible to me, because I'm struggling even with the basic, most basic of locks. I do have a bit of practice in that, so... Yeah, the tension is going to keep popping out. So with this, we've tried raking, we've tried, it was zipping, single pick, raking. Is there any other ones? There are. So there are other attacks that you, there's a, there's a whole slew. I know we can talk for so long on this. So there is an attack, which is probably not going to work on this lock, but I'll demonstrate how you do it. It's called overlifting. And an overlift attack, what you're going to do is put a tensioner into the lock and find the right tensioner that fits. And actually, let's go this way. It's funny, by the way, I started this video going, we're going to get a basic overview. And now I'm just fascinated by all the different types, I've only known single pick and maybe raking, the zipping and these other ones. Yeah. So what we can do is we can actually take this pick and lift all the pins as high as they'll go and put a lot of tension on that core. And then we slowly release our tension and the pins will start to fall back down. And in certain locks, this one's actually made a little bit too good for this to work. But in certain locks, what will happen is the pins will actually set themselves as you release tension. So you'll feel the individual clicks as you release tension and ultimately it'll just fall open. This is so funny, my mouth just like wide open staring at this because I know there's like the idea in some of the old master locks that you can lift it. And one of the techniques you're using, which probably the camera's been picking up on... So actually I just over lifted four of those pins and I just had to set the last two. You actually got it. That's amazing. And the other technique you kind of did is you had the pick flipped over. You weren't actually picking, you were just using the flat end to shove it all the way up. I need to ask, there's this red lock over here. We all know locks aren't all create equal. Obviously there's basic and master locks, but this doesn't feel like any more secure than these other ones. I mean, the master lock is heavier than this one. Obviously I see the name on it, the ABUS, and it's more of a... I know it's a secure lock. What makes it a secure lock? This actually serves a completely different purpose than this. This one is made to secure, you know, your shed at home or something like that. These locks are made specifically to lock out mechanical and electrical equipment for people to work on them. So these locks, they're made pretty... the exterior of this lock doesn't matter because it's not for security. They actually want to be able to break this open and get it off in case something happens to the key holder and they need to get the machine working again. But these are used for safety and they have to be destructively opened, not covertly opened. That is... wait, hold on, that's actually a really interesting concept. So you use the words covertly and what was it? Destructively. It would be overtly. So effectively, I want to be able to take a hammer, break this thing open, but not let it be pecked. Right, exactly. So when you break this open, someone will know that it was broken open. If you pick this lock, there's almost a possibility that no one will know. Almost like the tapper evidence. Exactly. We want to make it be able to break open and people want to be able to open their packages, but not be able to pull it off. Yep, exactly. So these will be assigned to individual technicians. Each technician, that's why it has this property of on the back. They will generally have their name and technician number written here. They will then lock the equipment out that they're working on and when they're done, they are the only one that has the key to this lock. Okay. But then, if something were to happen to them while they're working, if an emergency occurs, they need to be able to take a hammer, shatter this thing, and get into the equipment. But, you know, no one can remove this without the people knowing. I've now seen you pick, I don't know, three, four, five locks. Why could you pick this one just as fast as these ones? I'm not sure. I haven't tried this one and this is slightly different. I guess the question is, is this one a special lock? It is. So the internals of this are actually very secure. It has what's called security pins in it. I think these have what are called spool pins, which what'll happen is when you get to a certain point in the lock, it will fall slightly open. It will try to open. I would imagine, again, kind of use a crude example, is if this is a normal pin where this is how these things adjust. Make it like a spool of thread. So come in here and then just make, basically, you're thinning out the center. Nope. All the way? Yep, all the way. Thinning out the center of the pin, making it look like a spool of thread. Yep. So like that on both sides. Exactly. So what's happening on a normal one without this, you're picking it up across, what's that line called? The shear line? Yep. You're picking this up. So if this is one pin, you're pushing it up and aligning the shear line. Where with this, you kind of pick up and it binds right here. Yep. Like where the lock would come in here and bind versus then, so what do you have to do after that? So if you have it bound like that. Yep. So what you do at that point is you'll get into what's called a false set, where the lock, you feel like it's going to open, but it doesn't. And then you have to go through and you'll test each pin and find ones that will give you what's called counter rotation. So when you feel counter rotation, you actually feel the tensioner pushing back on this finger. Okay, so I'm guessing it would go, you know, something like this. Exactly. And so when you feel that, you're going to actually let up on the tension a bit to allow that counter rotation to push your finger out of the way. And then when you get past that lip there, you will then apply a little bit more tension when you're right here, and then the pin will set itself. Okay. Well, it won't set it, you'll set it, but it will be able to sit up on that shelf that's created every time that you pick a pin. Is there ways to learn security pins similar to the basic lock set, where there's going to be like six pins in there? Is there a way to, is there like a security basic? Yeah, we actually have what's called the advanced set, and that has from one to four spool pins in the lock. It's progressively pinned with one through four spools. Okay, now we've talked about TOOL so much. I mean, actually I should say we haven't talked about TOOL nearly as much as I would like to, because it's such a cool organization. Not a sponsor or anything like that. I just love what they do. I've referenced this URL so many times for local laws, because every state has different laws about lock sports, of whether or not you're allowed to use them. Last time I checked Michigan, they're even worded a little weird, because how Michigan does theirs is you have to be a certified locksmith, but the way you become a certified locksmith is by declaring yourself a certified locksmith. And then all of a sudden you're allowed to own lockpicks. It's a really goofy law. Yeah. And it may have changed at one point, but I love that if you go to tool.us, you can see all of those laws. Yep, absolutely. And it's spelled with three O's. The other thing is, do you know anything about TOOL? Were you able to speak to it a little bit? Yeah, absolutely. Are they a non-profit? They're a non-profit. We're a 501c3 non-profit, and yeah, everything we do goes back into the organization to do things like this, to teach lockpicking to the public. We do have individual chapters all over the U.S. TOOL is actually worldwide. They started in the Netherlands. So TOOL.nl was the original guys. They have chapters all over Europe and probably further than that, I think there's TOOL in Japan as well. In Japan, I'm not going to speak on the legalities there. I think it's a little iffy, but we also have international law on the website as well. Oh, that's great. And the one thing I love about TOOL is you see them here, but the disclosure is we don't arrange these videos. We come in, we sit down, we talk, this is the type of help that they give everyone around Cannes, which is so cool. The other thing is this is a great resource to buy lockpicks. I know it feels self-serving, you seeing it, but I have bought enough here. I recommend other people, not only do you get the learning sets and everything like that around people who are passionate about it, but lockpicks fall into that category of you get some really scummy companies often selling them, where not only do they sell cheap things, but also like you get like a really goofy set, like a set with like five different triangles. This is a set on the site. This is actually like the set you're selling here. This one's mine too. Yeah, this is the set that we're selling here. It's slightly different than the set we've had in previous years. We used to actually have six tension tools. What we've done is we've actually changed the tension tools to where instead of just being a different width, they're actually a different thickness. And that is way more important than the width of the tool. Now, when I look at my kit, I have tons of tension tools in there. I even have metal to make tension tools on the fly because of how important tensioning is for every specific lock. But we do our best to include everything that a beginner would need to start out. So, you know, we have the hooks here. We've got the half diamond, which can be used for both single pin picking and zipping. And also to count the pins. I didn't mention that, but it's really easy. So basically just put the flat side in, lift all the pins all the way up, and then slowly extract it. And you'll hear the clicks. You just count the clicks and that's how many pins are in the lock. Oh, that's cool. So we have this guy, which is kind of just to reach in the back of certain locks. And then we have the two wave rakes, which are kind of, I wouldn't say the most useful, but they're out of the set. There's a set of four of these. But these are kind of the ones that you'll get the majority of locks open with. We do sell a Wicked Wave set that's four of these, which is kind of a more complete set. But we really did try to include it in the basic set because we want to make it accessible to everyone. So if I want to start today, what would you recommend? Picking up a set like this and then maybe the basic set of locks? Absolutely. And we generally offer a slight discount at cons, where if you buy the two together, you get like $10 off. Oh, that's great. Hey, thank you so much. This is nothing, by the way, that is his handle. Thank you so much. This was so much information. The thing I learned is that the tensioning is way more important than the pick selection. That's huge for me. Thank you so much. Thank you for watching. And as always, hack on!"
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