1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,540 We're at the DEF CON 30 Memorial Room. 2 00:00:02,540 --> 00:00:09,380 Now, we were hesitant to even shoot this, but then as we talked to the organizers, I think it makes sense we should be here. 3 00:00:09,380 --> 00:00:14,100 The Memorial Room came after Dan Kaminsky passed away. 4 00:00:14,300 --> 00:00:22,020 And it was interesting when that happened because most people didn't hear about it until coming to CON. 5 00:00:22,020 --> 00:00:23,060 CON has grown. 6 00:00:23,060 --> 00:00:27,040 It's 30 years old and it's grown every single year. 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,840 And people meet friends here. 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,500 And you see those friends once a year. 9 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:40,420 And oftentimes you come to CON and it can ruin your whole CON experience when you've hit here and find out someone you liked, loved, passed away. 10 00:00:40,540 --> 00:00:59,180 And this is a room that was set up for DEF CON to come and either write in a memorial book, come, you know, find a rock, put their name on it, share stories about those individuals, or even like have wristbands, sharing the name and dropping them here so someone else can, 11 00:00:59,180 --> 00:01:09,660 you know, participate, you know, experience maybe their name or look them up, see their name, go look up what they experienced at DEF CON. 12 00:01:09,660 --> 00:01:10,740 I want to sit down here. 13 00:01:10,740 --> 00:01:12,100 I want to hear more about it. 14 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:25,080 There was even another station over here where you could send your phones to your favorite pictures of these people, send them an email, and then print them off and tape them around the room. 15 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,620 I love this. 16 00:01:26,620 --> 00:01:30,240 I absolutely love this concept of this. 17 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:42,860 Thank you for like taking the time to sit down with us and letting us do this video because I think this is an important aspect to DEF CON, especially as it's gotten, 30 years is a long time. 18 00:01:42,860 --> 00:01:53,980 I mean, it's interesting, even the progression of CON as we've gotten older, we've had kids and now DEF CON for kids is starting more and more. 19 00:01:54,440 --> 00:02:00,540 And, but as we all get older, things like these real things we have to start dealing with. 20 00:02:01,140 --> 00:02:02,120 Very true. 21 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,380 Can you tell me about like, wow, you started this. 22 00:02:05,380 --> 00:02:07,900 It started, I believe last year. 23 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:23,180 Well, it really started with Dan Kaminsky's online virtual funeral that had so many people and he had such an effect. 24 00:02:25,140 --> 00:02:28,240 And I cry way easy. 25 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:50,000 And Dark Tanyan realized out of our community acknowledging and supporting and honoring people for their lives and doing it because of their passing is something missing from our community. 26 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,720 And for him, DEF CON is so about community. 27 00:02:54,390 --> 00:02:59,580 And so this started a conversation after that time. 28 00:03:01,540 --> 00:03:08,500 And I've worked with Jeff on DEF CON and Black Hat since DEF CON seven. 29 00:03:08,740 --> 00:03:23,700 And he knows a lot about my background, which is not at all hacker, very oddly, much more energy work, but I do it here. 30 00:03:25,340 --> 00:03:36,800 And so as this came up, I sent him a note and reminded him of the background I have, which is a lot of time dealing with death and dying and people who are in grief. 31 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:41,400 And so this came about and it's our second year. 32 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,200 Last year was great. 33 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,160 It was small, but DEF CON was small last year. 34 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,800 Yeah, it was really intimate. 35 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:49,560 Yeah. 36 00:03:50,480 --> 00:04:08,700 And so we came back this year and I'm hoping we expand it so we have a way throughout the year for people to connect, have to see with Jeff, if we can get some space on the website or whatever, whatever would make sense. 37 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,480 And that we have a little more 38 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:20,680 of the beauty of DEF CON next year. 39 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,560 We have a wonderful glass. 40 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,360 Can you hand me? 41 00:04:26,060 --> 00:04:36,960 This was one of the items sold at DEF CON because she was part of the branding and I think 24, DEF CON 24. 42 00:04:37,380 --> 00:04:43,700 And to me, she kind of looks like, I don't know, Hacker Madonna. 43 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:52,560 So I brought it this year and we have our little appropriate hotel LED candles. 44 00:04:55,460 --> 00:05:02,160 So we're here and people drop in and it's amazing. 45 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:16,380 I think what's so interesting and something you said is like having like a spot on the website to hear from the community and have a place to celebrate these people who have come to DEF CON who have poured their lives into it and poured their lives in to connect with so many other people. 46 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,520 Having a place for that, because I do think it's hard when you come back year after year. 47 00:05:21,740 --> 00:05:33,520 I know it happened to me one time as I came to DEF CON, you become excited to see friends and then you see one and then you see another and then the one you're expecting to see is gone. 48 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,940 You didn't hear about it because you have these DEF CON friends. 49 00:05:36,940 --> 00:05:41,540 You have friends you hang out with all the time and you have other ones you see once a year. 50 00:05:42,060 --> 00:05:44,580 So I love this space. 51 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:54,280 Especially, it's a time where you can come and reflect and think about those hackers who aren't with us anymore. 52 00:05:54,820 --> 00:05:59,580 And especially with the chaos, like right outside the door, running, villages. 53 00:05:59,580 --> 00:06:01,060 It is DEF CON over there. 54 00:06:01,060 --> 00:06:11,320 It was, it's good to take time to step away, almost even like turn your phone off and just time to just spend. 55 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,100 And I think that's, that is a piece of it. 56 00:06:14,100 --> 00:06:20,400 So he said, if you come here and discover something has occurred, someone is gone. 57 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:42,340 It's hard in the chaos of DEF CON, which is brilliant and wonderful and creative, but it's a hard energy to kind of be in and be present while you're trying to adjust to what you've just found out. 58 00:06:42,340 --> 00:06:52,960 So knowing over the years that there is a space in DEF CON where you can go and process it, let it go. 59 00:06:52,960 --> 00:07:03,300 I mean, DEF CON is and has been since the beginning aware of the fact that we all have human frailties. 60 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:09,600 I mean, we have a 12 step meeting here and have for as long as I recall. 61 00:07:10,340 --> 00:07:34,540 And again, for me, it's just as a community, if we lived as a community, if we were that tribe, when someone got sick and then if they passed, everyone is there and they're there to support that person's family. 62 00:07:35,500 --> 00:08:03,340 And we have some things from friends of Tuna who passed in 2019 and they actually came and he didn't make it to DEF CON that year because he passed away during DEF CON at home and they held his memorial here in Flamingo. 63 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:12,100 And I don't think we understand yet quite the intensity of the connection. 64 00:08:12,420 --> 00:08:23,320 In a sense we do, but I don't think we fully get it because we haven't yet brought it into the bigger DEF CON. 65 00:08:23,340 --> 00:08:24,940 Well, it's interesting to me. 66 00:08:24,940 --> 00:08:29,920 We did another video on the channel which was, what was your best tip for DEF CON? 67 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:37,060 And it was funny because it wasn't go hack away at something and again, some of them were like, go learn something. 68 00:08:37,060 --> 00:08:40,540 But all of those had this interesting underplay to it. 69 00:08:40,540 --> 00:08:42,560 It was this interesting under note to it. 70 00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:46,420 It was go play a challenge to meet other people. 71 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:50,780 Go explore a village to meet other people. 72 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:53,680 Go find your passion. 73 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:56,060 Find your tribe was what you said. 74 00:08:56,860 --> 00:09:02,680 And as one of the people on our channel says is find your hacker family at DEF CON. 75 00:09:03,060 --> 00:09:08,140 But no matter what the tip was, it was always people were the underlying one. 76 00:09:08,140 --> 00:09:20,500 And it's interesting to me that 30 years is the time where we go, that is not a insignificant amount of time to grow these relationships which are fueled by that passion. 77 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:25,560 And have a place to be able to share that with others. 78 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,240 I really do thank you. 79 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:32,520 Thank you for taking the time and actually considering this village and growing it. 80 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:40,360 It's a weird thing to say I'm excited about this, but I think it draws us to that core of what DEF CON is. 81 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,240 There is the challenges. 82 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,620 There is the technical things. 83 00:09:43,620 --> 00:09:46,480 But at the core of it, it is the people. 84 00:09:46,740 --> 00:10:00,260 When I first, excuse me, when Jeff first brought me to see DEF CON and I was slightly terrified because I only knew about hackers from the local news which is not exactly what is. 85 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:10,440 And I had just come out of doing five days in the desert doing a shamanic training with people, just part of my other world. 86 00:10:11,350 --> 00:10:19,520 And I first ran into some young kids talking to this elder gentleman and wanting to know, asking for information. 87 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,080 Tell me about this. 88 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,610 Tell me about that. 89 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:40,460 Lo and behold, he's an upper level person at NSA and they're trying to gather all this information from someone who could be their grandfather, which in my world is missing in our world. 90 00:10:40,460 --> 00:10:42,780 We don't turn to elders. 91 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,620 And then I ran into this young man who had come in from London, never been here before. 92 00:10:48,620 --> 00:11:05,580 And he had this goal of pulling together hackers who would then work together to shut down websites that were promoting children for sale. 93 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:12,760 And his idea is the governments can't do this because those countries, it's not an issue. 94 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:20,420 Hackers could maybe knock enough down on a regular basis to at least slow their business down. 95 00:11:20,420 --> 00:11:28,700 And seeing those two aspects of community, I had friends going, you did what with, what you were with? 96 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:33,120 I was like, it's one of the most amazing communities I've ever seen. 97 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,400 And it was baby at that time. 98 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:41,980 And watching it grow, it's astounding. 99 00:11:41,980 --> 00:11:43,800 And I'm still here. 100 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,460 I've shifted out of what I did to what I'm doing. 101 00:11:46,460 --> 00:11:59,280 And then over to this, because this community is growing and deserves to be offered such things. 102 00:12:00,620 --> 00:12:07,940 Because it's important for their own sense of community and being who they are. 103 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:09,820 Thank you. 104 00:12:09,820 --> 00:12:11,040 That's all I can say. 105 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:11,860 Thank you. 106 00:12:11,860 --> 00:12:13,220 Well, thank you. 107 00:12:13,220 --> 00:12:30,520 I hope this is one of those places that you as a viewer comes and experiences, especially if you've been coming to DEF CON for a long time, this is definitely a place to, it's an experience you're, it's hard to put into words. 108 00:12:30,740 --> 00:12:31,800 Thanks for watching.