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0	2540	We're at the DEF CON 30 Memorial Room.
2540	4680	Now, we were hesitant to even shoot this,
4680	6380	but then as we talked to the organizers,
6380	9380	I think it makes sense we should be here.
9380	14100	The Memorial Room came after Dan Kaminsky passed away.
14300	16800	And it was interesting when that happened
16800	19340	because most people didn't hear about it
19340	22020	until coming to CON.
22020	23060	CON has grown.
23060	27040	It's 30 years old and it's grown every single year.
27080	28840	And people meet friends here.
28840	31500	And you see those friends once a year.
31500	33520	And oftentimes you come to CON
33520	35320	and it can ruin your whole CON experience
35320	38660	when you've hit here and find out someone you liked,
38660	40420	loved, passed away.
40540	43020	And this is a room that was set up for DEF CON
43020	46640	to come and either write in a memorial book,
46640	49660	come, you know, find a rock, put their name on it,
49660	51680	share stories about those individuals,
52160	55040	or even like have wristbands,
55040	57180	sharing the name and dropping them here
57180	62360	so someone else can, you know, participate,
62360	64620	you know, experience maybe their name
64620	66640	or look them up, see their name,
66640	69660	go look up what they experienced at DEF CON.
69660	70740	I want to sit down here.
70740	72100	I want to hear more about it.
72100	73900	There was even another station over here
73900	76920	where you could send your phones
76920	80300	to your favorite pictures of these people,
80300	81460	send them an email,
81460	85080	and then print them off and tape them around the room.
85200	86620	I love this.
86620	90240	I absolutely love this concept of this.
90240	93520	Thank you for like taking the time to sit down with us
93520	94640	and letting us do this video
94640	98200	because I think this is an important aspect to DEF CON,
98200	102860	especially as it's gotten, 30 years is a long time.
102860	105860	I mean, it's interesting, even the progression of CON
105860	109580	as we've gotten older, we've had kids
109580	113980	and now DEF CON for kids is starting more and more.
114440	116440	And, but as we all get older,
116440	120540	things like these real things we have to start dealing with.
121140	122120	Very true.
122120	125380	Can you tell me about like, wow, you started this.
125380	127900	It started, I believe last year.
128800	134600	Well, it really started with Dan Kaminsky's
135200	139840	online virtual funeral that had so many people
140830	143180	and he had such an effect.
145140	148240	And I cry way easy.
148920	154060	And Dark Tanyan realized out of our community
155140	158440	acknowledging and supporting and honoring people
158440	165620	for their lives and doing it because of their passing
167040	170000	is something missing from our community.
170000	173720	And for him, DEF CON is so about community.
174390	179580	And so this started a conversation after that time.
181540	186080	And I've worked with Jeff on DEF CON and Black Hat
186080	188500	since DEF CON seven.
188740	191120	And he knows a lot about my background,
191120	196540	which is not at all hacker, very oddly,
197210	203700	much more energy work, but I do it here.
205340	209100	And so as this came up, I sent him a note
209100	212180	and reminded him of the background I have,
212180	214740	which is a lot of time dealing with death and dying
214740	216800	and people who are in grief.
217500	221400	And so this came about and it's our second year.
222120	224200	Last year was great.
224200	227160	It was small, but DEF CON was small last year.
227160	228800	Yeah, it was really intimate.
228800	229560	Yeah.
230480	232960	And so we came back this year
233560	236700	and I'm hoping we expand it
236700	241620	so we have a way throughout the year for people to connect,
242340	243920	have to see with Jeff,
243920	246840	if we can get some space on the website or whatever,
246840	248700	whatever would make sense.
251040	253480	And that we have a little more
257840	260680	of the beauty of DEF CON next year.
260680	263560	We have a wonderful glass.
263560	265360	Can you hand me?
266060	271300	This was one of the items sold at DEF CON
271300	273180	because she was part of the branding
273720	276960	and I think 24, DEF CON 24.
277380	280640	And to me, she kind of looks like,
281260	283700	I don't know, Hacker Madonna.
285200	287540	So I brought it this year
287540	292560	and we have our little appropriate hotel LED candles.
295460	302160	So we're here and people drop in and it's amazing.
302160	304100	I think what's so interesting and something you said
304100	306700	is like having like a spot on the website
306700	307900	to hear from the community
308480	310780	and have a place to celebrate these people
310780	311820	who have come to DEF CON
311820	313220	who have poured their lives into it
313220	314520	and poured their lives in to connect
314520	316380	with so many other people.
316880	318040	Having a place for that,
318040	319700	because I do think it's hard
319700	321520	when you come back year after year.
321740	325040	I know it happened to me one time as I came to DEF CON,
325040	327120	you become excited to see friends
327120	329380	and then you see one and then you see another
329380	333520	and then the one you're expecting to see is gone.
333520	334200	You didn't hear about it
334200	336940	because you have these DEF CON friends.
336940	338540	You have friends you hang out with all the time
338540	341540	and you have other ones you see once a year.
342060	344580	So I love this space.
345320	348380	Especially, it's a time where you can come
348380	352100	and reflect and think about those hackers
352100	354280	who aren't with us anymore.
354820	356780	And especially with the chaos,
356780	359580	like right outside the door, running, villages.
359580	361060	It is DEF CON over there.
361060	366980	It was, it's good to take time to step away,
366980	368620	almost even like turn your phone off
368620	371320	and just time to just spend.
371640	374100	And I think that's, that is a piece of it.
374100	375640	So he said, if you come here
376100	380400	and discover something has occurred, someone is gone.
381360	386340	It's hard in the chaos of DEF CON,
386340	390860	which is brilliant and wonderful and creative,
391380	395220	but it's a hard energy to kind of be in
395960	399840	and be present while you're trying to adjust
399840	402340	to what you've just found out.
402340	407340	So knowing over the years that there is a space in DEF CON
407680	412960	where you can go and process it, let it go.
412960	418300	I mean, DEF CON is and has been since the beginning
419320	423300	aware of the fact that we all have human frailties.
423300	425900	I mean, we have a 12 step meeting here
426420	429600	and have for as long as I recall.
430340	438120	And again, for me, it's just as a community,
438120	441740	if we lived as a community,
441740	445900	if we were that tribe, when someone got sick
446380	450460	and then if they passed, everyone is there
450460	454540	and they're there to support that person's family.
455500	462020	And we have some things from friends of Tuna
462020	468160	who passed in 2019 and they actually came
468700	471400	and he didn't make it to DEF CON that year
471400	475160	because he passed away during DEF CON at home
476520	483340	and they held his memorial here in Flamingo.
484960	488040	And I don't think we understand yet
488620	492100	quite the intensity of the connection.
492420	496020	In a sense we do, but I don't think we fully get it
496780	503320	because we haven't yet brought it into the bigger DEF CON.
503340	504940	Well, it's interesting to me.
504940	506340	We did another video on the channel
506920	509920	which was, what was your best tip for DEF CON?
509920	513920	And it was funny because it wasn't go hack away
513920	515980	at something and again, some of them were like,
515980	517060	go learn something.
517060	520540	But all of those had this interesting underplay to it.
520540	522560	It was this interesting under note to it.
522560	526420	It was go play a challenge to meet other people.
526500	530780	Go explore a village to meet other people.
530780	533680	Go find your passion.
533680	536060	Find your tribe was what you said.
536860	539800	And as one of the people on our channel says
539800	542680	is find your hacker family at DEF CON.
543060	544540	But no matter what the tip was,
544540	548140	it was always people were the underlying one.
548140	550980	And it's interesting to me that 30 years
550980	552860	is the time where we go,
552860	556740	that is not a insignificant amount of time
556740	558280	to grow these relationships
558280	560500	which are fueled by that passion.
560860	565560	And have a place to be able to share that with others.
565800	567240	I really do thank you.
567240	569040	Thank you for taking the time
569040	572520	and actually considering this village and growing it.
573100	576360	It's a weird thing to say I'm excited about this,
576360	580360	but I think it draws us to that core of what DEF CON is.
580360	582240	There is the challenges.
582240	583620	There is the technical things.
583620	586480	But at the core of it, it is the people.
586740	588720	When I first, excuse me,
588720	591840	when Jeff first brought me to see DEF CON
592920	594740	and I was slightly terrified
594740	597740	because I only knew about hackers from the local news
597740	600260	which is not exactly what is.
600730	605180	And I had just come out of doing five days in the desert
605180	608220	doing a shamanic training with people,
608220	610440	just part of my other world.
611350	614000	And I first ran into some young kids
614000	615800	talking to this elder gentleman
615800	619520	and wanting to know, asking for information.
619520	621080	Tell me about this.
621080	622610	Tell me about that.
623280	627600	Lo and behold, he's an upper level person at NSA
627600	632720	and they're trying to gather all this information
632720	636060	from someone who could be their grandfather,
636060	640460	which in my world is missing in our world.
640460	642780	We don't turn to elders.
643440	645300	And then I ran into this young man
645300	648620	who had come in from London, never been here before.
648620	653660	And he had this goal of pulling together hackers
654500	659710	who would then work together to shut down websites
660300	665580	that were promoting children for sale.
666560	670020	And his idea is the governments can't do this
670020	672760	because those countries, it's not an issue.
673400	676460	Hackers could maybe knock enough down on a regular basis
676460	680420	to at least slow their business down.
680420	684760	And seeing those two aspects of community,
685280	687240	I had friends going, you did what with,
687240	688700	what you were with?
688700	691720	I was like, it's one of the most amazing communities
691720	693120	I've ever seen.
693120	695400	And it was baby at that time.
695900	697780	And watching it grow,
700520	701980	it's astounding.
701980	703800	And I'm still here.
703800	706460	I've shifted out of what I did to what I'm doing.
706460	709060	And then over to this,
709060	713760	because this community is growing
714620	719280	and deserves to be offered such things.
720620	725880	Because it's important for their own sense of community
725880	727940	and being who they are.
728640	729820	Thank you.
729820	731040	That's all I can say.
731040	731860	Thank you.
731860	733220	Well, thank you.
733220	735240	I hope this is one of those places
735240	739060	that you as a viewer comes and experiences,
739060	743780	especially if you've been coming to DEF CON for a long time,
743780	745920	this is definitely a place to,
745920	747540	it's an experience you're,
748420	750520	it's hard to put into words.
750740	751800	Thanks for watching.