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    "text": " Right, so up next we have Sally Yats and he calls himself Sally Who Makes Yats and quite an interesting name though. Alright, so he is going to give a talk on a topic named Nosy Cops where we are exposing the hidden potential of police radio. Now this is quite an interesting talk. Police radio? Awesome. About his bio, he is a radio hobbyist and archives police radio. So you've got quite a lot of sensitive information with you, my friend. It's offensive to ask you. It's not my fault they gave it to me. Awesome, so please welcome Sally. Alright. We're going to have some fun. Let's throw that out there right now. So... Well, before we can do this, how many people are actually from or around the Atlanta area? I know we have a competing event. I know we have one back there. So I am from the Atlanta area, so that's honestly where we are going to be centered around. I understand it says it's police radio, but this is very much a show and tell. It's not a show up and a throw up. We're going to go through just what you need to know about this kind of vulnerability. It's in a weird state. We'll kind of define it because it's one of those vulnerabilities that's been around for like 20 years and no one really cared. And then all of a sudden they started posting it on Twitter and then they really started caring. We'll demonstrate a few different ways to actually capture the audio and to actually show it through the front end and then kind of discover what's up for grabs. For anyone that's actually familiar with police radio and scanning, this kind of, at the last minute, had kind of developed into a... I gave it kind of a secondary title here. Which is, if you're worried about encryption, unless you're monitoring the system actively, you're worried about the wrong encryption. That's a teaser for the end. We're coming for the landing. A little orientation to me, like when I said I live in Atlanta, I mean more specifically, I live rent-free in the heads of the APD, the Atlanta Police Department. They regularly, on their own radios, usually after they get exposed for doing something dumb, they will talk trash by name, they will try to report fake stuff and get me to say something about it. They've played music before, and it's funny because they all think that this is radio from like 30 years ago, and none of that stuff did anything because of the way that we capture radio and, you know, recently. We've also done... the technical part of it is just kind of underneath the ATL scanner. A lot of stuff that we're going to step through, sort of in the beginning, we're reviewing the front ends, but as you can see here, we actually monitor around the clock, not just Atlanta, but the actual Cobb County, Fulton, and DeKalb as well. And we've also done some on-site stuff. But really what's really fun about this and the reason that people are a little bit nervous inside the halls at APD is that in the last 3 years, if you turn on a radio that's on any one of these systems, I'll tell you the exact second that you did it. If you transmitted on that radio, I can give you that recording in 3 different formats including a transcript. If you joined a channel to eavesdrop, you didn't transmit at all, I can prove that too. There's all this kind of metadata up there and there's really been kind of a shift recently of monitoring the system versus just listening to it. We find out that a lot of people that are monitoring systems currently are really just kind of listening to stuff. And even if you go online, you'll see just like they'll look at one of these groups or two of these groups. But really more importantly, I've got a fan club on one of the main sites, Radio Reference. We'll get to it in a little bit, but shortly after I started posting some of this stuff, for example, somebody had just posted a request saying, hey, there was some kind of protest downtown. Where's it being worked on? Give me information about it. And someone up top says, provided some information on it, but then this guy jumped in. He's not happy with it. And we're impressed. There's been just kind of an ongoing fight about encryption and all this sort of stuff, a cat and mouse game. But he's really mad at me. Basically what this is, more or less this talk is kind of dedicated to this art friend here. Because basically what happened is we made the Georgia State Patrol so mad we bullied them into encrypting their audio. And it still didn't work very well for them. But so we've seen this kind of our side. So if you want to look and flip the script, you can meet the video integration center. So this is the Atlanta Police Foundation's... they're very happy about this. This is kind of one of their big sort of crown jewels. Sorry. So the main part is that this is about... So this is kind of their whole surveillance thing. It was established in 2007. In 2012, as it always happens, some rich guy from Buckhead donated a bunch of money so they put his name in front of it. But really what's interesting is that even past all of these different things listed like the cameras, LPRs, there's also stuff like of course social media monitoring and all that kind of stuff. As recently as 2017, it was like a third of the police foundation's budget. And so it's really... they're really invested in it. For example, especially around the events in the host hotels, we recently had the Super Bowl. And they love to brag about it. They talk about we have license plate readers everywhere now. We have top flight cameras with 360 degree coverage, pan tilt, zoom, all this stuff. They're very happy about it sometimes. And then they have some reports about this like our friends from Comparatech. They actually had come out that a few times now. Atlanta has actually made the list of top 10 surveilled cities in the world. Just because it's something about 25,000 cameras I think was the latest one. Once you add things like transit cameras and other things that they kind of have access to but don't. And it's really something to keep in mind. But I think it's really important to keep an ear on the system because that means you can hear what happens. You can hear it firsthand. So hopefully we're going to have some audio. That audio didn't work at all. All right. So dispatch outlet comes in and says, hey, you pushed the red button. And then they speak up and they go, yeah, never mind. It's important. I'm just happy that everyone's safe. You can see just witness kind of top notch problem solving skills. So for example, here's another one. It's very, very important. But we're happy. I'm glad that SWAT guy is no longer trapped. Now, so we talk about this kind of stuff about capturing these radio systems a lot of times people kind of the closest analog to think about is kind of like a CB radio, right? Because it's sort of a distributed sort of ish system but there's not really, you know, there's no real control layer, right? It's basically anybody who's got a radio just a snippet of the band plan over here. Anyone's got a radio you basically say, okay, the group of people that wants to talk together you choose a channel and no matter who you buy the radio from it's that channel, right? It's that frequency. And so this is actually a pretty useful analogy. We just kind of flip the switch on it a little bit. And so in this case, if we look at the police radio, so for example, for the Atlanta system, this is their band plan, right? And so they've got, you can see they've got one site, 25 different frequencies listed. And we can see that now we've got control channels in there. So control channels mean that there's a boss now. So instead of just instead of your radio being just, you know, a dumb listening for voice transmissions and just happily, you know, playing it for you and receiving it, someone's in control now. And so in that way, for example, just at a real high level if I take, if I have a radio that's on a zone one dispatch and I want to transmit the first thing that happens is when I hit the button, it first checks to see if I'm allowed to. And then it checks to make sure the air is clear. And if I'm okay, then what it'll do is immediately tune my radio. It'll select one of these channels, tune my radio to the input frequency, and at the same time tune everybody else's who's on that same channel, that same talk group, to tune them to the output. So that way that's just basically as soon as everyone receives it at the same time, you know, just a simulcast transmission. And then so, it'll usually hang on that channel for like a second or two, and if nobody says anything else, then it'll kick them all back to the control channel at that point. But the main difference is a trunked radio system, you're not always on the voice channel, you're always listening to the control channel until it tells you to go somewhere. Right. And so, since we've decoupled the frequencies and, you know, the kind of idea of channels, we have to figure out how we define our users. And so our users, it's just talk groups, right. And I mean, this is, it's dead simple, it's just, they have the decimal identifiers, all this text, all the alpha tags and stuff, that's local, that's not actually broadcast over a system. As far as the system knows, it just knows that my radio is associated and I'm on one of these talk groups, and so I'm joined to it. But before we can get to the metadata, we have to really kind of figure out what kind of system we're on. And so in this case, we'll give us a proper introduction. So this site, this actually came from Radioreference.com. So Radioreference is the 800 pound gorilla as far as kind of terrestrial radio system info, right. But basically the way that I like to kind of term it is it's kind of like Shodan for sort of like radio boomers. In the sense that, especially if you go to the forums where you just saw, there's some interesting personalities, we'll say. But for our purposes, we just gotta know what kind of system we're talking about. In this case, we're on a Project 25 Phase 2. What does that mean? Well, first, look at that graphic. That is... I don't know, this might just be me, but when I see a graphic like that, you kind of pick up on that IBM design consultant language. You know that there's some dudes in ties working just underneath. So there's a lot more going on. And so once we actually look at some of the things that we can do on the system, you can see all the normal voice calls that are available. But then we add some things like the radio management functions. So we've got the radio checks, so it's just pinging a radio to make sure it's on and online. Inhibit, uninhibit, that basically means if I have a radio and it gets stolen, I can basically quarantine it. That's my Apple lost mode, right? To find my iPhone. Basically, it'll let you just talk to the... you'll be on the control channel until it's told that it's uninhibited. The other easy example would be if, for example, a police car has to go to a body shop or something, they're not going to rip out the radio generally. What they're going to do is just inhibit it when they send it to them. So that way they don't have to worry about them getting on it. If a car is stolen, if a police car is stolen, in the rare event that happens, I don't know why I didn't mention it, they could inhibit it. And I'm sure they would. Also, over-the-air programming, not only just over-the-air programming, but re-keying as well, for encryption, if you pay for it. It's very expensive and real fun. But, let's actually see where the rubber meets the road. We've got a couple of different UIs that we're going to go through, and they are fantastic. So get ready, this is the finest in radio. Radio software. Yeah. This is software straight from the Netherlands. It's our friend's ARC 536 Pro. Basically, it's just, that's actually the representation of a physical radio. Just connected via serial. And basically, when I first started, you can see, yes, this is just a clip from a Twitch stream, because I had no servers yet. So I had to find some way to kind of broadcast it, and this was it. In this particular call, we've got just stone mountain decides that they come across somebody kind of sleeping, and they're checking up on them. Basically, yeah. Officer 1 tells them the siren isn't working. Not rousing them, so I'm going to go check and see if they're okay. Because this is the cop number 2. Cop number 1 apparently is very busy. I've got to get out and check to make sure they're not dead. Honestly, I hope the podcast was great, I guess, that they were listening to. It was riveting. But if you think this is a fantastic UI, I think anywhere else people would hate this next one, but I think here you guys are going to love it. That's a work of art. This is DSD+, digital speech decoder, specifically DSD+, Fastlane. And the reason it looks especially chaotic here is, I must admit, there are actually two instances running at the same time. Because one of the biggest things is when you're listening, you want to see what's going on. If you're only listening to dispatch, you're not listening to talk-around channels and other different things. We call them the gossip channels, we call them that for a reason. Because you get a lot of good context. But basically, as far as the UI is concerned, in the top left, that's just the rolling event log. So this is just powered by one $20 SDR, and it's a Windows box, so you don't have to go into anything crazy with GNU Radio or anything like that here. But basically, the reason this has a special place in my heart is because this is kind of the inception of, oh, there's a lot more information out there that I haven't been seeing. Because with a handheld radio, it just tells you what it connected to and what call is currently going on. But here you can see alerts, registrations, that's the radio's turning on, affiliation, that's them tuning to a specific channel. You can see the system hacking, or even like in this case, a group is busy, so someone got rejected when they just tried to make a call. So basically, that has one job, and it's to sit there in the control channel and make sure that it watches for whatever priorities are occurring. Now if we scroll down and to the right, this is basically just the status view of what's going on. So this is like a live screen. This is by far my favorite kind of view if you just want to see what's going on on a given system, outside of some other tools we're going to show later. But this one's great. And then right here, of course, the fun part about DSD Plus is that I can plug in a second SDR, and then this below it is when it finds something I'm interested in, it'll automatically tell that second SDR to tune to this frequency, start recording it, start listening, whatever. And... we can zoom out and hear some of the beautiful fidelity here. We had a bit of an incident in traffic. My favorite part. And these are great just because you can hear dispatch holding back laughter. It's pretty fun. You can see I told you it was from Twitch. So we know it's a fantastic UI, but how do we get it? That's really the special part of this. You hop over to their website. This is a screenshot that was taken as recently as last week. And that top post is from 2018, announcing the Fast Lane program. So we go, okay, well, let's just look into it and see. And as we read down this, how you actually get this version of the software you need to do phase 2, you take $10 or $25, depending if you want lifetime access, you essentially just kind of ball it up and throw it at a random Gmail address using PayPal. And then in about a week maybe-ish later, you'll get a random email and it'll say, hey, congratulations, here's a link to a password-protected zip file. And it's legit. It could not be more of a malware delivery mechanism if we tried. It's literally everything that we tell people that's the horrible way to do things. And I love it. I love everything about the software. I like to just put it on a shelf. It's great. But let's get on with it. A little bit more. Here's one from zone 3, a busy night in zone 3. Asking how many calls they got. Seven calls in pending mean they have basically seven people waiting. And so they go, okay, how many units do we have ready? Nobody. Literally nobody signed on. So if anybody was curious, 624 p.m. might be a great time to just go have some fun in zone 3. But let's talk specifically about the front end. This is actually called Radio Scanner. I included this just basically for reference when you download the deck. Basically, it's great. It's my favorite for listening remotely especially. Because the real important part is that it's got the iOS and Android apps available so you can actually scan and if your phone won't lock and stop scanning and stuff. So it's really good for monitoring. And also, you can see in the corner where you can feed it with a bunch of different recording programs. And then for the actual recording piece, what I use personally is Trunk Recorder. As far as I'm concerned, this is probably the this is the best client that I've seen for this type of data analysis. Because essentially the whole thing that it does is it maintains a pool of recorders like ready and waiting to be told to record something. Listens to the control channels like DSD Plus or anything else. And then when it finds a voice grant that it's interested in and by default it'll just record everything which why would you change it? It's great. And it grabs an idle recorder, records those calls and the important part here that's nice about Trunk Recorder is that instead of being focused on transmissions and having a real kind of choppy flow it actually maintains it in conversations. So it maintains the metadata about each transmission which is just clipped off in here but there's arrays of the actual metadata contained for the users as well as the frequencies that were in use. And essentially all it does is once it's recorded it saves it and then it'll just run a script. So I mean you can literally do anything with it. So as from that kind of standpoint basically the sky's the limit. So from this kind of view we can sort of go into the security side of this. Kind of why we're really here. The best... well a really good analogy would be for physical security would be auto theft. Right? So auto theft, serious property crime. And I know we poke fun of that at APD specifically but we do have proof that they do jump at the chance to help out average everyday citizens. That sounded like a lot of words for I just want to ride with ludicrous. And I don't blame them. I don't blame them at all. But that just shows that we'll go above and beyond you just have to be ludicrous. I try to live my life that way but you know. But the good thing is that this applies to all kinds of vehicles. And what's important you'll notice that there are two of the lovely little clip art there for the audio file. So we're going to first hear the dispatch part and then we're going to hear the gossip part to illustrate how important this is. Buckle up. That's just dispatch. We haven't even had the gossip yet. Somebody stole a car. March patrol vehicle. Broad daylight. From the police precinct. Dude is in the vehicle. We'll get to that real quick. But guy's obviously in the vehicle. He's on the radio. He's literally talking. If only we had some way to stop that from happening. It's too bad. And they can't track their own vehicles. So... I think you'll agree that's really important to this section. Some additional background. Some bonus. This dude was running around with lights and sirens around Atlanta. Cops started chasing each other because they had no idea. They saw one person with lights and sirens. So another person with lights and sirens chased that one. I really wasn't sure if I was just listening to a training exercise or someone just messing around. Because this was a fun day on the radio. But the real kicker here is that not only was it a supervisor it was a supervisor who was working an extra job. So they weren't even acting as a cop. Just acting an extra job. Physical security is only one part of the equation. It's DEF CON. We've got to talk about information security. This next clip is very DEF CON. Gives it out. Interesting what you'll see. If we're being fair, that is just car internet. That's generic LTE. It's probably first net so they'll have priority but it's not like VPN or nothing crazy. You're just being dumb. Kind of bumbling dumb. That's foreboding, isn't it? Wait. Wait, wait, wait. So we get the credentials too. At least to their credit they did not give out the password but they happily gave us the other half. A delightfully generic other half. Now, I know, again, speaking seriously we're poking fun at the police but we'll have to get serious for a little bit because we'll talk about some actual corruption and some bad stuff that's going on. But we're going to go through there and then we're going to go right into the fun ending where we see the encryption and some of the fun stuff that we're releasing. And so in this case, just acknowledging we picked out some fun clips to share but there's dangers involved. They're very much not on our side. They're very much mad. And as part of that, having this information having this data becomes a lot more critical because we can force some accountability at what little we can try. And so in this situation this was a thread that we had picked up on and we're not going to obviously visit the horrible comments they made but basically they sat and just monitored a vigil for a slain child and we're busy making jokes about how it'll be peaceful until somebody starts shooting. I bet if we go in there we're going to find a bunch of stolen cars and a lot of really just awful crap. And the thing is, like I mentioned in the beginning this was actually played for city council. So that's what prompted this. They said, hey, we should find and fire these officers. And the thing is, if all we had was the audio we wouldn't have any idea who was talking. But luckily I don't have just the audio. So we know right away, within a little bit exactly who was talking. The trash. And so that's a real reason why they get super nervous whenever they see one of these threats and they get locked down. Because they have that false sense of security they think nobody's listening. And they definitely don't think anyone's listening to the entire system. But again, the whole name of the game is that we don't have to listen to the entire system. We can process it, treat it like a data source. Now, that goes not only for exposing misconduct but exposing corruption. This one, you may have heard about it. This is Cop City. Honestly, if I devoted the entire talk we wouldn't be able to give it the time it deserves, right? Basically, a police foundation is trying to raise 400 acres and basically build a couple of counter-strike maps so they can go out and practice being violent and awful. The whole reason, personally, that I started monitoring all this stuff a few years ago was because of seeing firsthand danger and brutality. Especially in relation to protests. First, they start out by trying to call out protesters by just arresting everybody, right? So that way, even though it's bogus charges, they can't go back out there. So, war of attrition, war of attrition. That didn't work and they murdered somebody. They literally sent out the Georgia State Patrol and killed somebody. And that still didn't work. So their next step was to go out and just start charging everybody with domestic terrorism. Because why not, right? The same thing we've been screaming about. And those charges were so bogus that literally the DA just said, no, I'm not prosecuting these. Like 40 cases, this is garbage. So it's a big deal. When that didn't work, they sent SWAT teams to raid a house and arrest bail fund volunteers under bogus charges. Money laundering and basically corruption. And they did that with a dawn raid like they love to do. Rolled out with a bear cat, busted down the door and essentially they were looking to kill more people. Luckily they didn't. But it's serious. So definitely resources out there to check out. The reason we bring this up was because literally the same day that they were monitoring that vigil and making fun of the slain 16-year-old girl, everyone out there, they literally ran... well, I'll just let it play for you. Overtime, talking about overtime, of course. Especially if we're going after all the money. I guess the police force thought they were going on the offensive. Fun. I appreciate you indulging me. If that pissed you off, then let's talk about what's really going to make them nervous. Now, the funniest thing happened as I was preparing for this talk. I stumbled across a document put out in March from CISO. And they helpfully described what I've been doing for the past three years. Said, hey, watch out for this. Someone might start doing this. And then we had that two Spider-Men meme moment. So... to understand specifically where this kind of vulnerability lies, we just have to understand the difference real quick between the link layer and the traffic layer. And basically, the traffic layer is the voice. And the link layer, for our purposes, is just the control. Both of these topics talk about the link layer. So we're not talking about voice encryption at all. Voice encryption is separate. We'll build this out a step. And you can see their setup. Their helpful diagram of what we've been doing. So regardless of if that voice communication is encrypted, you can still see all the metadata about it. You can still see who's talking. You can see how long they've been talking. You can see who's joined. You can see all of that kind of stuff. You can see the activity. And all of that extra information, I don't need to tell you guys. That's worth, arguably, more than the content. And the thing is, the reason that this isn't huge is because this is just one of those examples where this has been just sitting in the P25 standards for 20 years at this point. And it's just kind of a known vulnerability. It's out there. Somebody could do this, but what weirdo is going to do this? It turns out, quite a few. One reason I'll say specifically that drove me to make sure we got the word out about this was that we noticed that other entities had started to kind of secretly do this sort of same thing. And I noticed that nobody was really talking about it to the public. Whoops. So, LLA and LLE. Here's the TLDR. Link layer authentication just verifies that that radio is who it says it is. So that's radio spoofing. We don't really care about that. Because monitoring is passive. But the one that we need to be concerned about, the encryption that we should be concerned about, that no one really has on their radar is that link layer encryption. Link layer encryption is what's going to suck. Because basically, that takes all the opcodes, all the control channels, all that stuff. The intent is to basically scramble it all. So at that point, maybe you're looking at just kind of brute force, listing those voice channels and trying to piece it together. But that's rough. So, if you're worried about audio encryption, it's annoying. It's not the end of the world. But LLE is going to be the end of the world. In that sense. And they've even helpfully given you a big scary statement. The important part I've helpfully underlined for you right here. It just says, the availability of the information sent as part of the P25 messages provides a great deal of intelligence about the users of the system. Intelligence that can be used against those users now. We can quibble over the terms being used against. But yeah, it's very valuable. And so the best thing we can do is say, is think like a data source. Kind of like a data scientist and just start asking questions. The type of stuff you can get just purely based off of metadata is stuff like, just how many people are talking right now? Which talk groups are in use? Atlanta's got 240 or something. Full Encounter's got like 500. So there's a lot of possible noise in there. But more importantly, you can start monitoring actual people. Who's transmitting? What's going on? And as far as the nosy police, the reason that all of the tricks about people doing a little radio theater and trying to get us to report on stuff that's not real and just them thinking they're ruining our day. Basically, the main reason that a lot of that stuff didn't really have an effect was because as we were monitoring all this information, as soon as I started parsing, concentrating on the metadata versus just looking at the calls, I realized that we hardly ever would have to actively monitor and listen to the system to find out when something's going on. Because, for example, when a fire call goes out, they send out a page and then all of a sudden 26 radios turn on and they sign on to the fire department frequency. What do you think that means? I don't have to go and listen to that audio. I know that there's something happening. Same thing logically with an encrypted channel. When a bunch of people sign on to the capital PD talk group, something's probably going on down in the state capitol. But the thing is, it's one of my favorite kind of vulnerabilities because how are they going to patch nosy cops? You really can't. I mean, you can't take them off because they have to have access to those channels. So we're just basically kind of exploiting that. But again, the kicker is that all this stuff is available even for encrypted audio. And so, basically, if an Intel LLE is not only the standards are created for link layer encryption, that's still in the process. So once that's standardized, then they've got to deploy it and all the manufacturers have to implement it. And then the systems and radios are updated with the new capabilities, then that's going to be kind of where we get there. So we have some runway for sure. But personally, at least my opinion is that I feel like it's likely that a lot of it I think LTE is coming in because a lot of the new radios now are basically having LTE in addition to the rest of these bands. So I think they're going to start trying to buy us a lot towards that. I'll be interested to see how that works because I kind of have a feeling that if you go and tell them, okay, hey, great, we've got this new security thing, upgrade all your radios. They're going to go, well, if I'm upgrading my radios, I'm upgrading the LTE. Who cares? So that's going to be interesting. That's something to look at. But just kind of as a little parting gift just to kind of get them nervous, just an example of the kind of stuff that you can do. Again, very nice and generic here. We can talk about some more spicier stuff later, but you can just start trending all this stuff. You see the different transmissions, the active systems, errors, spikes, who's talking, what's going on. And if you'll notice, one of the recent things that we've added here we'll zoom in a little bit, you can see the latest transmission that's on each system, but you can also see that we're transcribing calls now too. And this is something that's fairly recent. So OpenAI came out with Whisper and all of a sudden everyone said, well, I can buy a GPU. And with a couple of GPUs, our lag time is nearly instant. It lags behind generally in a couple of seconds. So now we don't have to listen to the audio at all. And furthermore, now you can set alerts on content. And so that opens up a whole other world of analytics here. And then think about it in the context of augmenting with other information sources. The last, I think, screenshot especially will get kind of spicy. APD is not going to like this. We've got three helicopters. Those helicopters all have radios in them. They tend to be turned on and working when they transmit. So every time they transmit, in the same way that we're keeping track of regular radios, now we know, okay, well, when those radios are transmitting, something's obviously happening. And when something really important is happening, and there's a chopper in the sky, knowing what channel that chopper is transmitting on suddenly becomes incredibly useful. When a chopper is in the air and we look at, oh, well, their radio is talking on zone 6 dispatch, so something's probably happening at zone 6 dispatch. I don't even have to wait and look at that audio. I'll jump to zone 6 because I'll hear them and what's actually happening. Right? Yeah, this is where they really get nervous. But from that standpoint, I think the good part is that as we're building this new kind of part of the framework, we're able to kind of modernize that whole NGES pipeline. And the good news is that if you're currently using any of these kind of setups, you're interested in doing that, we're going to be opening it up to actually being able to get access and do some of this as well. And just kind of finalizing the different ideas about, let's say, for example, if you're already set up, you have everything and you just want to get the metadata so you can ingest it into your own tools, you can do that. Or if you just said, hey, I've got a system, I don't want to set up my own alerting, set up my alerts, that kind of stuff. But really, we ended up kind of accidentally making it really nice and efficient. So we'll figure as a stress test, anyone that wants to be interested, we can get set up and start running some of these analytics and see what kind of questions we can answer. But as far as that concern, coming for a quick landing, I always like to be fair, so I always like to make sure that we give, in this case, we give Atlanta police the final word. Straight from there. They said defund the police. That clip they really don't like. So as far as the content, I really appreciate everyone coming out. That's the end of this section. If there are any questions, if we have some time, we can certainly... Perfect. Thank you for being the speaker today."
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